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2013-02-22 12:00:45 AM
While I'm normally supportive of teachers as I come from a long line of teachers (dad, brother, grandmother, aunts, etc.), if the teacher just doesn't like the subject chosen, she should grade it.

Like President Obama's recent SOTU address where he called out "It deserves a vote," I paraphrase his call as "It deserves a grade."

/Good night all.
 
2013-02-22 12:15:04 AM
It's possible there's a little more to this story.
 
2013-02-22 12:24:16 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.


Well, let's see. FTFA: Her son said he wrote about going to the gun show because it was something he enjoyed, the paper didn't mention anything political about guns or even shooting guns.

See, there's the problem right there. It's Texas. You're supposed to extol the virtues of shooting guns, and the student didn't.

F----!!
 
2013-02-22 01:14:03 AM
" I feel like he has just stomped on our right to free speech "

Yeah, being arrested and prosecuted for writing about guns must've been awful...

...Oh, wait. That didn't happen.

/the first amendment doesn't work that way, you farking moron.
 
2013-02-22 01:45:44 AM
Two amendments enter, one amendment leaves! Welcome to Tardertown!
 
2013-02-22 02:00:29 AM
Big deal out of nothing
 
2013-02-22 02:04:15 AM
From TFA:The Denton Independent School District said in a statement, "The teacher has accepted the paper and apologized to the student for misperceptions. The teacher's intent was for guns not to be trivialized in any school situation because of recent events."
 
2013-02-22 02:40:54 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.


Usually if a certain topic is off-limits, the teacher would normally mention that beforehand so as to avoid problems like this.
 
2013-02-22 03:23:05 AM
His mother called it blatant censorship based on personal moral beliefs.

"If it went against any district policy I would support it completely, but it doesn't. It's just his own moral beliefs trying to be put in his classroom and I disagree with that," Kimberly Williams said.


Texas mother decries blatant censorship, but would support it completely if it were institutional policy? That's logical, I guess.
 
2013-02-22 06:31:46 AM
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2013-02-22 06:42:12 AM
Teachers being subjective arbitrary pricks? No. It never happens.
 
2013-02-22 06:42:15 AM

Somacandra: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.

Usually if a certain topic is off-limits, the teacher would normally mention that beforehand so as to avoid problems like this.


It would depend.

I'm sure a paper about gunning down classmates would cause a stir. I don't think that needs to be mentioned beforehand.

Or a graphic depiction of an orgy you went to over the weekend would also be verboten.

These, of course, are hyperbole, but the kids should use some sense and avoid controversial topics.
 
2013-02-22 06:42:24 AM
That's pants-on-head retarded.  When I was in high school, we had an English assignment like this.  Give a presentation on how to do something.  Anything you want.  So one classmate did "How to make various pipes using household items".  We got the apple pipe, the can pipe, the soda bottle bong, and basic theory on what it takes to make a smoking device that could be applied when those specific items weren't available.  It was a very informative presentation which was the whole point of the assignment.  He was graded appropriately and the format was changed so future classes had to have their topics approved.  (I assume there was also a meeting with is parents.)  No vaginas got filled with sand.
 
2013-02-22 06:43:45 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: Big deal out of nothing


you have seen it here first folks.... this is precisely the attitude that causes the problems we are in now...

"eh, it's no big deal"

First, they came for the guns, but i didn't speak out because i didn't own one...
then they came for the kittens, and there was not a meow to be heard.
 
2013-02-22 06:44:12 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: Big deal out of nothing


So you're saying that the teacher should be able to give a writing assignment without guidelines, and then should be able to reject a paper because it violates the non-existent guidelines? What if the student wrote about attending a gay pride parade, and the teacher decided to give the student a zero because of the topic. Would that be an issue?
 
2013-02-22 06:44:41 AM

Krieghund: From TFA:The Denton Independent School District said in a statement, "The teacher has accepted the paper and apologized to the student for misperceptions. The teacher's intent was for guns not to be trivialized in any school situation because of recent events."


See, the teacher tried to mitigate a delicate subject, but crazy mom had to turn the derp to 12.
 
2013-02-22 06:44:42 AM
Umm... Grade the paper on it's merits and refer the kid to the school counselor just to make sure he's not being bullied or anything. Most school shootings start with a kid that kept everything inside and just has a day of suicidal ideation.

I like gun shows because they embody that touch of capitalism in their fanaticism. And if it's wrong to praise capitalism and firearms in this county then I need to leave. I'm not a gun collector, but I'm an unashamed capitalist pig. Then again, the DA in this county has no trouble with convicting people for murder when there's zero evidence and the victim has a history of running off internationally.

/Why, yes there's a theater in Denton that regularly does midnight RHPS showings.
//At least last I checked.
 
2013-02-22 06:47:08 AM
Mother, student, and teacher all sound like fairly massive dipsh*ts.
 
2013-02-22 06:49:43 AM

jtown: That's pants-on-head retarded.  When I was in high school, we had an English assignment like this.  Give a presentation on how to do something.  Anything you want.  So one classmate did "How to make various pipes using household items".  We got the apple pipe, the can pipe, the soda bottle bong, and basic theory on what it takes to make a smoking device that could be applied when those specific items weren't available.  It was a very informative presentation which was the whole point of the assignment.  He was graded appropriately and the format was changed so future classes had to have their topics approved.  (I assume there was also a meeting with is parents.)  No vaginas got filled with sand.


My art teacher let us make bongs in art class. He even fired the clay ones for us.

Of course now It's pretty clear to me that he was a stoner himself. But times were different then.
 
2013-02-22 06:53:40 AM
Many teachers are graduates of liberal universities and carry those liberal philosophies with them.

Democrats don't get burned at the stake in TX on the regs.
 
2013-02-22 06:54:36 AM
gun shows are awesome.

not only because you get to buy amazing stuff, but because most of my fellow shooters make walmart shoppers look educated sophisticated and wealthy.

"Really sir? youre going to spend 3k on that K98 sniper but you havent bought yerself or your wife a new pair of shoes in 4 years. Are you sure your priorities are on straight?"
 
2013-02-22 06:54:44 AM

BigBooper: jtown: That's pants-on-head retarded.  When I was in high school, we had an English assignment like this.  Give a presentation on how to do something.  Anything you want.  So one classmate did "How to make various pipes using household items".  We got the apple pipe, the can pipe, the soda bottle bong, and basic theory on what it takes to make a smoking device that could be applied when those specific items weren't available.  It was a very informative presentation which was the whole point of the assignment.  He was graded appropriately and the format was changed so future classes had to have their topics approved.  (I assume there was also a meeting with is parents.)  No vaginas got filled with sand.

My art teacher let us make bongs in art class. He even fired the clay ones for us.

Of course now It's pretty clear to me that he was a stoner himself. But times were different then.


pot..... it there anything it can't do?
 
2013-02-22 06:54:58 AM

wildcardjack: Grade the paper on it's merits and refer the kid to the school counselor just to make sure he's not being bullied or anything


Wait. What? Why? Apparently there was no hint of violence, or threats, or even firing a gun. According to TFA, the report was about the kids visit to a gun show.
 
2013-02-22 06:58:21 AM
Smitty, when you were in high school, did you learn the difference between periods and commas, and how to use each?

/up-too-late snark
 
2013-02-22 07:06:47 AM

Father_Jack: gun shows are awesome.

not only because you get to buy amazing stuff, but because most of my fellow shooters make walmart shoppers look educated sophisticated and wealthy.

"Really sir? youre going to spend 3k on that K98 sniper but you havent bought yerself or your wife a new pair of shoes in 4 years. Are you sure your priorities are on straight?"


The gun show crowd does have its share of idiots, but there are some smart people too. Of course when I used to go, I hung out with the 1%er version of gun guys. Sure it was cool seeing and handling historical firearms, but I got tired of seeing and learning about things I would never be able to afford. Seriously, one trip the guys that I was traveling with counted out the value of what everyone had brought with them, and we ended up north of $250,000. Including a gun that was documented to have been at Little Bighorn. Me? I had scrimped and saved an entire year so that I could bring a thousand dollars.

Of course then I got married and had kids. Now I can't afford those trips. Or guns. Or entertainment beyond free internet porn.

/Wait. What was the topic?

 .
 
2013-02-22 07:08:51 AM
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2013-02-22 07:12:44 AM
He did the work as specified by the teacher. If the teacher didn't want an essay with guns in it he should have said that when it was assigned. The student should not be punished because of the teachers personal beliefs. My public speaking professor was a far off the deep end liberal who stated over and over that your papers would not be graded on your opinion, but on the quality of your work and ability to speak in front of the class. Then she failed you if you didn't side with her. She even took it so far as to fail speeches you gave about benign things like cooking or sports if she knew you were a conservative. She was fired after my class. It would have been a lot easier to take her class if she had just said, "agree with me or get an f."
 
2013-02-22 07:15:10 AM

100 Watt Walrus: Smitty, when you were in high school, did you learn the difference between periods and commas, and how to use each?

/up-too-late snark


Hey ... a Walrus!
 
2013-02-22 07:15:10 AM
A Fox News story? The whole thing must be nothing more than an elaborate fabrication.
 
2013-02-22 07:15:55 AM

BigBooper: drjekel_mrhyde: Big deal out of nothing

So you're saying that the teacher should be able to give a writing assignment without guidelines, and then should be able to reject a paper because it violates the non-existent guidelines? What if the student wrote about attending a gay pride parade, and the teacher decided to give the student a zero because of the topic. Would that be an issue?


Not really no. It's one assignment in a podunk school in a podunk town. Who the fark cares.
 
2013-02-22 07:17:12 AM
Guidelines should have been set beforehand.  Tell highschool me to write a paper on whatever I want, and I'm TRYING to come up with something off color.  "How to Dispose of a Body", "How to Make Crystal Meth", "Why ATM is the Pinnacle of Intimacy", "How to Train Your Dragon"...highschool kids like to push boundaries at every opportunity.  The fact that the kid did a report that wasn't even controversial for the geographic area (guns in texas = cheese steak in philly, its ubiquitous) just serves to prove the teacher is an idiot.
 
2013-02-22 07:19:14 AM
Liberals hate freedom of speech, news at 11:00.
 
2013-02-22 07:20:18 AM

Farce-Side: highschool kids like to push boundaries at every opportunity.


No they don't. Not everyone is you and I'm guessing you still like to "push the boundaries."
 
2013-02-22 07:20:38 AM

quickdraw: Not really no. It's one assignment in a podunk school in a podunk town. Who the fark cares.


It would be one thing if the teacher got all indignant about it and make a fuss about how his word is law within the classroom, but there wasn't anything even mildly interesting about this story. Teacher did something dumb. Teacher apologized. Locals made asses of themselves because somebody put a microphone in front of them.
 
2013-02-22 07:21:37 AM

EvilEgg: Somacandra: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's possible there's a little more to this story.

Usually if a certain topic is off-limits, the teacher would normally mention that beforehand so as to avoid problems like this.

It would depend.

I'm sure a paper about gunning down classmates would cause a stir. I don't think that needs to be mentioned beforehand.

Or a graphic depiction of an orgy you went to over the weekend would also be verboten.

These, of course, are hyperbole, but the kids should use some sense and avoid controversial topics.


"If we spend all our time tapdancing around the feelings of others and their sensibility of shame we'll soon find ourselves without a voice at all..."

In other words, the teacher said anything, the stupid wrote something, and deserves a grade for that.  If the teacher didn't define what should be written on it's his own damn fault.


I just wonder if this would get the same attention if the kid wrote about... say... abortion or some other subject.  Everyone in the article (except maybe the kid) looks to be coming up dicks in this one.
 
2013-02-22 07:27:56 AM
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Mr. Van Driessen?
 
2013-02-22 07:28:05 AM
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2013-02-22 07:28:46 AM

AirForceVet: While I'm normally supportive of teachers as I come from a long line of teachers (dad, brother, grandmother, aunts, etc.), if the teacher just doesn't like the subject chosen, she should grade it.

Like President Obama's recent SOTU address where he called out "It deserves a vote," I paraphrase his call as "It deserves a grade."

/Good night all.


What probably happened was that the teacher said "no reports on guns, because I'm sick of reading about them."  Kid turns in a paper about guns, and she says "you don't follow instructions very well, do you?"  Kid decides to tell his mom, who then says "THEY'RE INFRINGING ON MAH RIGHTS!!!!!" and goes to the media.

\I limit my college students on their topics, too
\\otherwise, every paper will be about video games, prostitution, marijuana, or abortion
 
2013-02-22 07:28:57 AM
Typical liberal open minded and fair to all... as long as you agree with him.
 
2013-02-22 07:35:01 AM

Krieghund: From TFA:The Denton Independent School District said in a statement, "The teacher has accepted the paper and apologized to the student for misperceptions. The teacher's intent was for guns not to be trivialized in any school situation because of recent events."


Yeah, because writing about using guns in a nonviolent way it trivializing guns.  Gun usage must be equated with murder of fellow citizens.  Heil!
 
2013-02-22 07:35:28 AM

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2013-02-22 07:37:32 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: His mother called it blatant censorship based on personal moral beliefs.

"If it went against any district policy I would support it completely, but it doesn't. It's just his own moral beliefs trying to be put in his classroom and I disagree with that," Kimberly Williams said.

Texas mother decries blatant censorship, but would support it completely if it were institutional policy? That's logical, I guess.


Well that's what the rules are.   If you are given a spelling test, then it is best to write out the words.
You can't just write yourself a short story and demand credit or else you are being censored.
 
2013-02-22 07:45:12 AM

Nutsac_Jim: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: His mother called it blatant censorship based on personal moral beliefs.

"If it went against any district policy I would support it completely, but it doesn't. It's just his own moral beliefs trying to be put in his classroom and I disagree with that," Kimberly Williams said.

Texas mother decries blatant censorship, but would support it completely if it were institutional policy? That's logical, I guess.

Well that's what the rules are.   If you are given a spelling test, then it is best to write out the words.
You can't just write yourself a short story and demand credit or else you are being censored.


If it was censorship on the individual level, it would still be censorship at the institutional level, but even worse. It would be like if she was appalled that a teacher would forbid a student reading the Bible, but would be vehemently agree with the district outright banning the Bible on school grounds. Just a weird couple of contradictory thoughts rolling around in that woman's head.
 
2013-02-22 07:45:37 AM

quickdraw: Farce-Side: highschool kids like to push boundaries at every opportunity.

No they don't. Not everyone is you and I'm guessing you still like to "push the boundaries."


Hey, you don't know me, bro.  Step down off your high horse for a little while and maybe you'll catch a glimpse of reality here.  While you were sitting at home reading Pride and Prejudice, most American teenagers were pushing boundaries, and having a damn good time doing it.
 
2013-02-22 07:50:25 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: It would be one thing if the teacher got all indignant about it and make a fuss about how his word is law within the classroom


'My word is law', you mean like telling the kids to write about anything and then giving them an 0 if he doesn't like the subject ?
 
2013-02-22 07:51:44 AM

5monkeys: My public speaking professor was a far off the deep end liberal who stated over and over that your papers would not be graded on your opinion, but on the quality of your work and ability to speak in front of the class. Then she failed you if you didn't side with her. She even took it so far as to fail speeches you gave about benign things like cooking or sports if she knew you were a conservative. She was fired after my class. It would have been a lot easier to take her class if she had just said, "agree with me or get an f."


Weird, I always had the opposite going on.  Teachers in humanities that I'd get into arguments with were the ones that would typically give my slightly higher grades than I deserved.  Though on reflection that was probably more because arguing was an indicator that I was actually paying attention in a class that everyone else slept through, making it feel to the instructor like less of a waste of his own precious time.

//There was a graduation requirement at my alma mater that required everyone take three hours of what amounted to a socialist propaganda class.  Since it was a huge waste of everyone's time, I went out of my way to hijack the discussions and talk about other stuff instead just so I wouldn't fall asleep, or take devil's advocate positions on even relatively universal points.  The instructor and I ended up being about as close to friends as I ever got with faculty when I was an undergrad.
 
2013-02-22 07:57:44 AM

RevMercutio: " I feel like he has just stomped on our right to free speech "

Yeah, being arrested and prosecuted for writing about guns must've been awful...

...Oh, wait. That didn't happen.

/the first amendment doesn't work that way, you farking moron.


I'm sure you'd say exactly the same thing if the subject had been the student's attendance to a gay pride parade.
 
2013-02-22 07:58:54 AM

Father_Jack: "Really sir? youre going to spend 3k on that K98 sniper but you havent bought yerself or your wife a new pair of shoes in 4 years. Are you sure your priorities are on straight?"


$3,000 ??! Guy needs to go shop at Mitchell's Mausers if he wants a K98. 3k is way too much
 
2013-02-22 08:00:56 AM
The mother needs re-programming if she wants to live in a police state.
 
2013-02-22 08:04:23 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Nutsac_Jim: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: His mother called it blatant censorship based on personal moral beliefs.

"If it went against any district policy I would support it completely, but it doesn't. It's just his own moral beliefs trying to be put in his classroom and I disagree with that," Kimberly Williams said.

Texas mother decries blatant censorship, but would support it completely if it were institutional policy? That's logical, I guess.

Well that's what the rules are.   If you are given a spelling test, then it is best to write out the words.
You can't just write yourself a short story and demand credit or else you are being censored.

If it was censorship on the individual level, it would still be censorship at the institutional level, but even worse. It would be like if she was appalled that a teacher would forbid a student reading the Bible, but would be vehemently agree with the district outright banning the Bible on school grounds. Just a weird couple of contradictory thoughts rolling around in that woman's head.


Not really.  She complained about an unwritten rule to be followed.  The mother simply misused the term free speech.  She is complaining about being graded based on the subject matter, yet no qualifaction of the subject matter was given.

She is saying if there was written guidance somewhere, say, at the county, then she would be ok with the
subject matter limits.

Its not much difference than getting fired for having a bible on your desk.  If they dont tell you not to bring you religious books to work, and dont have a company handbook, then good luck not getting sued unless you are in a right to work state.
 
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