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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-21 08:06:19 PM
He appealed his case but it took about four months to get his classification changed, so he had to pay the higher tuition until then.

So he said he was a veteran and they gave him his money back.

In some contexts federal law protects veterans from being re-domiciled as a result of duty assignments. I don't know if tuition is one of them. When the Soldiers and Sailors Civil Relief Act was originally passed tuition discrimination wasn't a problem.
 
2013-02-21 08:20:51 PM
Too bad he wasn't an illegal alien.
 
2013-02-21 08:26:48 PM
I was a legal resident of Kansas throughout my army tenure.  Have there been legal changes in the last 20 years?
 
2013-02-21 08:32:34 PM

Lord Jubjub: I was a legal resident of Kansas throughout my army tenure.  Have there been legal changes in the last 20 years?


No, but there are a lot of states playing games trying to force servicemen to change their residence for tax and retirement purposes.

Connecticut, I'm looking at you.
 
2013-02-21 08:40:31 PM
Public Relations nightmare.  This will get fixed and quick.
 
2013-02-21 08:49:41 PM
I was a Florida resident for 20+ years in the Air Force for voting and tax purposes. Something about Michigan smells funny.
 
2013-02-21 08:53:04 PM
Protecting service members in situations like this made sense when we had a draft.  But now I don't see the difference between moving away for military service and moving away for any other job.
 
2013-02-21 09:06:47 PM
On the enlistment paperwork was there a guarantee that he wouldn't be sent out of state?  If not, then he needs to STFU and pay up like everyone else who took an out-of-state job to make money for school.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2013-02-21 09:23:05 PM
In Maryland leaving the state to get a undergraduate degree then returning to get your graduate degree, some students have been deemed out of state residents.
 
2013-02-21 09:34:17 PM

brerrabbit: Lord Jubjub: I was a legal resident of Kansas throughout my army tenure.  Have there been legal changes in the last 20 years?

No, but there are a lot of states playing games trying to force servicemen to change their residence for tax and retirement purposes.

Connecticut, I'm looking at you.


I am thinking this should be tackled at state level, Rick Snyder I am looking at you.  We sure honor vets from MI for a lot of things, but to let their service affect their education is lacking elementary understanding.  You can have a veteran license plate, but pay like an outsider, wait what?

/I will watch this, my oldest is considering this young man's path
 
2013-02-21 09:46:04 PM

TheDumbBlonde: Too bad he wasn't an illegal alien.


So they could have deported him after his service?

/been done
 
2013-02-21 09:52:16 PM
FARK Michigan.

We should rename her lake, out of spite.

Lake Idaho, I say!
 
2013-02-21 10:00:49 PM

Earguy: Public Relations nightmare.  This will get fixed and quick.


I don't know... I can't picture thousands of college kids taking to the streets in protest.

Now, if they refused admission to Will Smith's kid, we'd be back in the 1960's overnight.
 
2013-02-21 10:10:24 PM

Lord Jubjub: I was a legal resident of Kansas throughout my army tenure.  Have there been legal changes in the last 20 years?


I was a legal resident of Arizona throughout my army tenure.  Have there been legal changes in the last 30 years?

I really would like to know. I have a son and a son-in-law in the service now and I'd like to know if I've given them bad advice. My googleing isn't finding anything that would indicate it had. Unless the service member did something that would change his legal residency.
 
2013-02-21 10:33:57 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Protecting service members in situations like this made sense when we had a draft.  But now I don't see the difference between moving away for military service and moving away for any other job.


Well, let me explain it to you in a manner you might understand. You're volunteering to potentially get your ass shot off for your country.

If you consider that just like any other job, I would like to sell you some land in Afghanistan.

/Farkin' dumbass troll.
 
2013-02-21 10:38:09 PM

Philbb: Lord Jubjub: I was a legal resident of Kansas throughout my army tenure.  Have there been legal changes in the last 20 years?

I was a legal resident of Arizona throughout my army tenure.  Have there been legal changes in the last 30 years?

I really would like to know. I have a son and a son-in-law in the service now and I'd like to know if I've given them bad advice. My googleing isn't finding anything that would indicate it had. Unless the service member did something that would change his legal residency.


We may not have the complete story here. The dude was in the Navy for 4 years. But did he ever change his state of residence?

Many personnel did change their state residency upon permanent assignment to some state that had more favorable tax laws, like Florida and Texas which have no state income tax. This dude may have changed such for this or other reasons, so now he may be feeling the effects of his previous decision.

/So, what's the REST of the story?
 
2013-02-21 10:41:14 PM
Hello, I just illegally crossed the border to invade your country and suck on the taxpayer teet. Oh, okay...you get instate tuition.
 
2013-02-21 10:43:11 PM
AirForceVet:We may not have the complete story here. The dude was in the Navy for 4 years. But did he ever change his state of residence?

Many personnel did change their state residency upon permanent assignment to some state that had more favorable tax laws, like Florida and Texas which have no state income tax. This dude may have changed such for this or other reasons, so now he may be feeling the effects of his previous decision.

/So, what's the REST of the story?


This is the same question I have.  I've been in for almost seven years now and never changed my residency from my home state.  My taxes and voting are both still processed there, not where I live.  Last I checked, I would still get the in state rate for college.
 
2013-02-21 11:08:49 PM

AirForceVet: Philbb: Lord Jubjub: I was a legal resident of Kansas throughout my army tenure.  Have there been legal changes in the last 20 years?

I was a legal resident of Arizona throughout my army tenure.  Have there been legal changes in the last 30 years?

I really would like to know. I have a son and a son-in-law in the service now and I'd like to know if I've given them bad advice. My googleing isn't finding anything that would indicate it had. Unless the service member did something that would change his legal residency.

We may not have the complete story here. The dude was in the Navy for 4 years. But did he ever change his state of residence?

Many personnel did change their state residency upon permanent assignment to some state that had more favorable tax laws, like Florida and Texas which have no state income tax. This dude may have changed such for this or other reasons, so now he may be feeling the effects of his previous decision.

/So, what's the REST of the story?


Exactly what I was wondering.  Smells like bullshiat.
 
2013-02-21 11:20:07 PM

AirForceVet: I was a Florida resident for 20+ years in the Air Force for voting and tax purposes. Something about Michigan smells funny.


States are incredibly strapped for money, that's why.
 
2013-02-21 11:23:57 PM

TheDumbBlonde: Too bad he wasn't an illegal alien.


Yeah, then he wouldn't be stupid enough to enlist to begin with.
 
2013-02-21 11:30:40 PM

GAT_00: AirForceVet: I was a Florida resident for 20+ years in the Air Force for voting and tax purposes. Something about Michigan smells funny.

States are incredibly strapped for money, that's why.


I'm not too sure. I'm not going to research Michigan law concerning military service and state residency. But, I am curious if we're not seeing the whole back story.

Florida's cool about maintaining one's residency while on active duty. I'm not certain Michigan is SO tight for money, it would screw over its own state residents in the military during wartime (Iraq's done but Afghanistan is still ongoing). Politically, it's not smart.

Of course, in 2002, the GOP Congress and Bush II cut military members Social Security benefits, a little factoid I found today on www.ssa.gov.So, maybe the politicians slipped something by that most state residents didn't catch.Like SO many Americans who allegedly support their military by putting yellow ribbon magnets on their SUVs but still vote Republican.
 
2013-02-21 11:32:15 PM

Godscrack: Yeah, then he wouldn't be stupid enough to enlist to begin with.


As someone who enlisted when enlisting in the military wasn't cool, i.e. post-Vietnam, blow me.
 
2013-02-21 11:32:36 PM

Godscrack: stupid enough to enlist


Really dude?
 
2013-02-21 11:34:20 PM

AirForceVet: in 2002, the GOP Congress and Bush II cut military members Social Security benefits, a little factoid I found today on www.ssa.gov.


Link? (not homepage)
 
2013-02-21 11:41:36 PM

AirForceVet: Godscrack: Yeah, then he wouldn't be stupid enough to enlist to begin with.
As someone who enlisted when enlisting in the military wasn't cool, i.e. post-Vietnam, blow me.

doyner: Godscrack: stupid enough to enlist
Really dude?


I'm sorry, are you guys illegal aliens?
 
2013-02-21 11:42:54 PM

AirForceVet: Philbb: Lord Jubjub: I was a legal resident of Kansas throughout my army tenure.  Have there been legal changes in the last 20 years?

I was a legal resident of Arizona throughout my army tenure.  Have there been legal changes in the last 30 years?

I really would like to know. I have a son and a son-in-law in the service now and I'd like to know if I've given them bad advice. My googleing isn't finding anything that would indicate it had. Unless the service member did something that would change his legal residency.

We may not have the complete story here. The dude was in the Navy for 4 years. But did he ever change his state of residence?

Many personnel did change their state residency upon permanent assignment to some state that had more favorable tax laws, like Florida and Texas which have no state income tax. This dude may have changed such for this or other reasons, so now he may be feeling the effects of his previous decision.

/So, what's the REST of the story?


Yeah, that's the only thing that would make this make sense. I guess I was fortunate enough to come from a state that wasn't quite as retarded as we are now (AZ) so, the tax benefits of "moving" wouldn't have helped me much if at all.
 
2013-02-21 11:44:47 PM

Godscrack: AirForceVet: Godscrack: Yeah, then he wouldn't be stupid enough to enlist to begin with.
As someone who enlisted when enlisting in the military wasn't cool, i.e. post-Vietnam, blow me.
doyner: Godscrack: stupid enough to enlist
Really dude?

I'm sorry, are you guys illegal aliens?


No.  But your post reads as though one has to be mentally challenge to enlist. If that was your intent it's pretty dickish.
 
2013-02-21 11:47:01 PM

doyner: AirForceVet: in 2002, the GOP Congress and Bush II cut military members Social Security benefits, a little factoid I found today on www.ssa.gov.

Link? (not homepage)


No problem, doyner.

Here's the link to the Social Security webpage in question.

And here's the quote at issue. Note that this was effective POST-9/11.

Note: In January 2002, Public Law 107-117, the Defense Appropriations Act, stopped the special extra earnings that have been credited to military service personnel. Military service in calendar year 2002 and future years no longer qualifies for these special extra earnings credits.

/As I enlisted in the late 1970s, I don't fall under this law. Alas, too many who served under harder times than I did.
//So I'm a bit annoyed about the Republicans claiming they support the military as I don't see such after the kids come home.
 
2013-02-21 11:48:47 PM

Godscrack: AirForceVet: Godscrack: Yeah, then he wouldn't be stupid enough to enlist to begin with.
As someone who enlisted when enlisting in the military wasn't cool, i.e. post-Vietnam, blow me.
doyner: Godscrack: stupid enough to enlist
Really dude?

I'm sorry, are you guys illegal aliens?


No. Are you an asshat?

/Think carefully before answering.
//You're already in troubled waters.
 
2013-02-21 11:49:10 PM

AirForceVet: GAT_00: AirForceVet: I was a Florida resident for 20+ years in the Air Force for voting and tax purposes. Something about Michigan smells funny.

States are incredibly strapped for money, that's why.

I'm not too sure. I'm not going to research Michigan law concerning military service and state residency. But, I am curious if we're not seeing the whole back story.

Florida's cool about maintaining one's residency while on active duty. I'm not certain Michigan is SO tight for money, it would screw over its own state residents in the military during wartime (Iraq's done but Afghanistan is still ongoing). Politically, it's not smart.

Of course, in 2002, the GOP Congress and Bush II cut military members Social Security benefits, a little factoid I found today on www.ssa.gov.So, maybe the politicians slipped something by that most state residents didn't catch.Like SO many Americans who allegedly support their military by putting yellow ribbon magnets on their SUVs but still vote Republican.


Why shouldn't they? They're screwing over every other resident in that state that isn't rich, why not people serving? They know the media won't make it a story, and most of the money will get comped through the GI bill. So why not get more money?
 
2013-02-21 11:49:42 PM

AirForceVet: doyner: AirForceVet: in 2002, the GOP Congress and Bush II cut military members Social Security benefits, a little factoid I found today on www.ssa.gov.

Link? (not homepage)

No problem, doyner.

Here's the link to the Social Security webpage in question.

And here's the quote at issue. Note that this was effective POST-9/11.

Note: In January 2002, Public Law 107-117, the Defense Appropriations Act, stopped the special extra earnings that have been credited to military service personnel. Military service in calendar year 2002 and future years no longer qualifies for these special extra earnings credits.

/As I enlisted in the late 1970s, I don't fall under this law. Alas, too many who served under harder times than I did.
//So I'm a bit annoyed about the Republicans claiming they support the military as I don't see such after the kids come home.


Thanks.

It's sad that the last Republican to actually "support the troops" was Richard Nixon.
 
2013-02-21 11:59:05 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Protecting service members in situations like this made sense when we had a draft.  But now I don't see the difference between moving away for military service and moving away for any other job.


You sound Brian Kilmeade stupid.
 
2013-02-22 12:05:30 AM

GAT_00: Why shouldn't they? They're screwing over every other resident in that state that isn't rich, why not people serving? They know the media won't make it a story, and most of the money will get comped through the GI bill. So why not get more money?


I'll have to take your word for it, man. I try to keep up with a lot of news on such. But, I'm tired, I have to work tomorrow, so I'm not up to research Michigan law to see what their laws specifically say. Otherwise, all you and I can do is to conjecture.
 
2013-02-22 01:53:26 AM

AirForceVet: As someone who enlisted when enlisting in the military wasn't cool, i.e. post-Vietnam, blow me.


As someone who doesn't think you're entitled to special treatment just because you chose to join the military, go fark yourself.
 
2013-02-22 03:14:49 AM

Pokey.Clyde: AirForceVet: As someone who enlisted when enlisting in the military wasn't cool, i.e. post-Vietnam, blow me.

As someone who doesn't think you're entitled to special treatment just because you chose to join the military, go fark yourself.


I hope your last thought in life is, "I wish a soldier was here to save me."
 
2013-02-22 03:22:36 AM

dahmers love zombie: On the enlistment paperwork was there a guarantee that he wouldn't be sent out of state?  If not, then he needs to STFU and pay up like everyone else who took an out-of-state job to make money for school.


LOL STFU troll.
 
2013-02-22 03:23:16 AM

AirForceVet: I'm not too sure. I'm not going to research Michigan law concerning military service and state residency. But, I am curious if we're not seeing the whole back story.

Florida's cool about maintaining one's residency while on active duty. I'm not certain Michigan is SO tight for money, it would screw over its own state residents in the military during wartime (Iraq's done but Afghanistan is still ongoing). Politically, it's not smart.


This could also be the university attempting to maximize the amount of tuition money that they get out of the Post 9/11 GI bill.

Honestly I am shocked at how much public, in state tuitions have gone up in the last few years.
 
2013-02-22 03:23:24 AM
Dear America

Ever.  Single.  F*cking.  Thing. that involves corporations, medicine, insurance, education or investing, all of it, is now just a series of bear traps, bait and switch malarkey and fine print.

All of it.

The church is being remodeled.  Try not to step on the whores, the lawyers or the crack pipes
 
2013-02-22 03:26:46 AM

AirForceVet: I was a Florida resident for 20+ years in the Air Force for voting and tax purposes. Something about Michigan smells funny.


My assumption was (and still is - the article doesn't say otherwise) that the subject of this article changed his residency to Florida for exactly those purposes, but then started crying when he realized that he can't have his cake and eat it too (claim residency in Florida as well as in-state tuition in Michigan).
 
2013-02-22 03:31:06 AM

Philbb: I really would like to know. I have a son and a son-in-law in the service now and I'd like to know if I've given them bad advice. My googleing isn't finding anything that would indicate it had. Unless the service member did something that would change his legal residency.


I looked up California's policy, it has the line, 'Documentation of California as the home state of record as required by the military'
 
2013-02-22 03:31:17 AM

AirForceVet: Something about Michigan smells funny


But the trees are at least the right height .
 
2013-02-22 03:32:37 AM

Enigmamf: AirForceVet: I was a Florida resident for 20+ years in the Air Force for voting and tax purposes. Something about Michigan smells funny.

My assumption was (and still is - the article doesn't say otherwise) that the subject of this article changed his residency to Florida for exactly those purposes, but then started crying when he realized that he can't have his cake and eat it too (claim residency in Florida as well as in-state tuition in Michigan).


It sounds fishy to me too.  For one thing, wherever you graduate highschool, you are automatically grandfathered into in-state tuition in that state... so I guess he didnt attend HS in michigan?

Also.. GI bill wut?
 
2013-02-22 03:35:12 AM

Enigmamf: My assumption was (and still is - the article doesn't say otherwise) that the subject of this article changed his residency to Florida for exactly those purposes, but then started crying when he realized that he can't have his cake and eat it too (claim residency in Florida as well as in-state tuition in Michigan).


Why would you make an assumption that he changed his residency from Michigan? I spent 8 years in the Army, from Michigan by the way, and never once thought about changing my residence. I went in with a Michigan drivers license and came out with one. I don't remember ever hearing one person mention changing their state of residence for tax or any other purpose. We got some pretty sweet tax breaks anyways, there would be no reason to change your home state.
 
2013-02-22 03:37:27 AM
Also, my theory about in-state tuition is that every public university should charge the difference between in-state tuition and out-of-state tuition to a special loan against which taxes paid are credited.

For example, the University of California costs $23,000 extra for out-of-state students. If you graduate in 4 years, you would accumulate a debt of $92,000. You get an upper-middle income job ($70,000/year, say), and pay $2500 a year in income taxes; deduct that. You're assumed to spend 25% of your income on taxable goods, so you deduct another $1400. Soon you buy a home, and start deducting property taxes as well; deduct another $3000/year. After a decade or so, you're free and clear of that debt, without having to ever pay a penny of it. The only cost is that you become a resident of that state.
 
2013-02-22 03:37:54 AM
bunner:
Ever. Single. F*cking. Thing. that involves corporations, medicine, insurance, education or investing, all of it, is now just a series of bear traps, bait and switch malarkey and fine print.

Hey, there's a reason the top 0.1% of America reaped 120% of the gains from the latest economic recovery (ie. the rest of the country ended up worse off).
 
2013-02-22 03:39:13 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Enigmamf: My assumption was (and still is - the article doesn't say otherwise) that the subject of this article changed his residency to Florida for exactly those purposes, but then started crying when he realized that he can't have his cake and eat it too (claim residency in Florida as well as in-state tuition in Michigan).

Why would you make an assumption that he changed his residency from Michigan? I spent 8 years in the Army, from Michigan by the way, and never once thought about changing my residence. I went in with a Michigan drivers license and came out with one. I don't remember ever hearing one person mention changing their state of residence for tax or any other purpose. We got some pretty sweet tax breaks anyways, there would be no reason to change your home state.


Maybe it depends on the branch - I live very close to a Marine base, and it seems like a greatly disproportionate number of cars to what you would expect in California (a state where you must normally register the car within 14 days of moving here) carry Florida plates.
 
2013-02-22 03:39:54 AM

OgreMagi: I hope your last thought in life is, "I wish a soldier was here to save me."


Like all the soldiers who die thinking "I wish a doctor was here to save me"?
 
2013-02-22 03:47:30 AM
So basically, someone in Michigan was robbed. How is this newsworthy or surprising to anyone?
 
2013-02-22 03:53:16 AM

Enigmamf: Maybe it depends on the branch - I live very close to a Marine base, and it seems like a greatly disproportionate number of cars to what you would expect in California (a state where you must normally register the car within 14 days of moving here) carry Florida plates.


I held a Michigan license but still had to put Texas plates on my car when I was stationed there. Never had a Texas drivers license.
 
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