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2013-02-21 06:53:02 PM
Why not make it a baker's dozen? Those whores won't feel a thing, right? I mean they have no heart or soul. Let's just put them in camps.
 
2013-02-21 08:03:19 PM
Rape rape.
 
2013-02-21 08:11:04 PM
Doing it this way will make it an easier sell.

seecolombia.travel


2....2...transvaginal ultrasounds.  Ah ah ah.
 
2013-02-21 08:27:17 PM
The GOP really loves to lose national and statewide elections, don't they.
 
2013-02-21 08:29:04 PM
Oh, Republican small government forcing long, hard objects into women's vaginas against their will again?  Yeah, they sure love putting their small government into relationships, bedrooms, and vaginas.
 
2013-02-21 08:36:51 PM
i361.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-21 08:39:13 PM
New new h
 
2013-02-21 08:41:15 PM
Oh COME ON.
 
2013-02-21 08:43:05 PM
Double penetration?
 
2013-02-21 08:43:39 PM
"I got pregnant vaginally," she said. "Something else could come in my vagina for a medical test that wouldn't be that intrusive to me. So I find that argument a little ridiculous."

So by that logic, if you're a non-virgin, you can't accuse someone of rape if the rapist had smaller junk than at least one of your boyfriends.
 
2013-02-21 08:43:46 PM

Felgraf: Oh COME ON.


says the guy in the three thousand dollar suit
 
2013-02-21 08:44:37 PM
How else would you check for twins?
 
2013-02-21 08:46:57 PM

TinyFist: Felgraf: Oh COME ON.

says the guy in the three thousand dollar suit


Que?

The 'Come on' is at the GOP.
 
2013-02-21 08:47:56 PM
I'm curious what the punishment will be if a woman fails to return for a second ultrasound, but I can't seem to find the text of the bill. Do they plan to monitor medical records on a monthly or weekly basis and arrest the patient and/or doctor if the patient fails to return, or what?
 
2013-02-21 08:48:41 PM

apoptotic: I'm curious what the punishment will be if a woman fails to return for a second ultrasound, but I can't seem to find the text of the bill. Do they plan to monitor medical records on a monthly or weekly basis and arrest the patient and/or doctor if the patient fails to return, or what?


they put the baby back in
 
2013-02-21 08:49:19 PM
So who pays for all this?
 
2013-02-21 08:49:30 PM
"I got pregnant vaginally," she said.

So the penis goes into the vagina?


/This woman has amazing powers of insight.
 
2013-02-21 08:49:34 PM

TinyFist: Felgraf: Oh COME ON.

says the guy in the three thousand dollar suit


You prematurely shot your wad. Now you have a bit of a mess on your hands.

/analrapist
 
2013-02-21 08:51:51 PM
A doctor friend of mine seemed surprised by this whole thing, since she thought that transvaginal ultrasounds were standard operating procedure for abortions.

But she's a doctor in Ireland, which isn't exactly an abortion-happy place.  Any medical folks able to comment on this?
 
2013-02-21 08:52:49 PM
And it continues to puzzle me why women aren't rioting in the streets over this shiat. If a senator tried to tell me I had to have a metal probed shoved up me against my wishes, I'd be throwing a few rocks.
 
2013-02-21 08:53:01 PM

cltbuilder: TinyFist: Felgraf: Oh COME ON.

says the guy in the three thousand dollar suit

You prematurely shot your wad. Now you have a bit of a mess on your hands.

/analrapist


thank you cltbulider.
 
2013-02-21 08:53:44 PM
Talk about doubling down on the derp.
 
2013-02-21 08:54:44 PM
It's a good thing we have government around to tell doctors how to do their jobs.
 
2013-02-21 08:55:27 PM
One: screw you, Sue. Actually, that might genuinely help.

Two: I'd just like to take this opportunity to point out that this crap is *not* man vs. woman bullshiat. It is regressive, authoritarian, sexually repressed, religious shiatbag vs. the-rest-of-us bullshiat. Men are not necessarily your enemies, and women not necessarily your friends.

I hate this gender-war shiat.
 
2013-02-21 08:55:32 PM
Keep it up.  2014 is right around the corner.
 
2013-02-21 08:55:39 PM

NewportBarGuy: Why not make it a baker's dozen? Those whores won't feel a thing, right? I mean they have no heart or soul. Let's just put them in camps.


They're already proved they like things shoved in their hoo ha so no big deal.

/What Republicans actually believe
 
2013-02-21 08:56:51 PM

Dafatone: A doctor friend of mine seemed surprised by this whole thing, since she thought that transvaginal ultrasounds were standard operating procedure for abortions.

But she's a doctor in Ireland, which isn't exactly an abortion-happy place.  Any medical folks able to comment on this?


I'm not a medical professional, but given that a hospital in Ireland recently let a woman bleed to death rather than perform an abortion, I would imagine that the Irish medical community's familiarity with abortion procedure is somewhere around zero.
 
2013-02-21 08:59:05 PM
If at first you don't derp, derp derp again.
 
2013-02-21 08:59:30 PM

Gergesa: Double penetration?


It's known in the business as "DTVUS".
 
2013-02-21 09:00:16 PM
Is it in the fine print that the exams need to be six months apart?
 
2013-02-21 09:00:26 PM

Pincy: It's a good thing we have government around to tell doctors how to do their jobs.


Sometimes it feels like the entire purpose of the conservative movement is to intentionally make the government do stupid shiat in an attempt to "show" everyone else how bad the government is.
 
2013-02-21 09:00:58 PM

dookdookdook: "I got pregnant vaginally," she said. "Something else could come in my vagina for a medical test that wouldn't be that intrusive to me. So I find that argument a little ridiculous."

So by that logic, if you're a non-virgin, you can't accuse someone of rape if the rapist had smaller junk than at least one of your boyfriends.


The problem with your attempt to point out how ridiculous the statement was is that the Grand Old Party of Rape probably wouldn't have a problem with that rape standard.
 
2013-02-21 09:01:17 PM
Where's the pic of Dr. Hathaway's house blown open by popcorn?

Because that's the amount we'll need for this and the 2014 elections.
 
2013-02-21 09:02:53 PM
I predict no one who supports this will post here.
 
2013-02-21 09:03:44 PM

Nem Wan: I predict no one who supports this will post here.


You need to amend that to exclude trolls.
 
2013-02-21 09:06:17 PM
If you'd stop having sex, there'd be nothing to worry about.
 
2013-02-21 09:07:16 PM
What's wrong with leaving this as a discussion between the practitioner and the patient?  Really?  Can't we just let those two sort it out?

"Hey ma'am, the most accurate method is this trans-vaginal thingy that's very painful, but there are other methods."
"Hmm...Let's talk about the other methods first."

See how easy and non-legislatey the whole thing can be?
 
2013-02-21 09:08:56 PM
img.photobucket.com

See that's A to B right there!
 
2013-02-21 09:11:05 PM

Peki: Where's the pic of Dr. Hathaway's house blown open by popcorn?

Because that's the amount we'll need for this and the 2014 elections.


i1126.photobucket.com

Too big for Fark.
 
2013-02-21 09:11:31 PM
So that whole 'don't put government between patients and their doctors" spiel you guys had against Obamacare .... did you at least give it a decent burial after your aborted it?
 
2013-02-21 09:18:51 PM
Just kill the babies and get on with it.  Who needs 'em anyway.
 
2013-02-21 09:19:39 PM

gadian: What's wrong with leaving this as a discussion between the practitioner and the patient?  Really?  Can't we just let those two sort it out?

"Hey ma'am, the most accurate method is this trans-vaginal thingy that's very painful, but there are other methods."
"Hmm...Let's talk about the other methods first."

See how easy and non-legislatey the whole thing can be?


They want to keeps shoving stuff you don't want up you hoo ha.
I think there is a word for that.
 
2013-02-21 09:20:44 PM
Three cheers for smaller government! Long live liberty!
 
2013-02-21 09:20:59 PM
How about we make them have ultrasounds constantly until they change their minds?
 
2013-02-21 09:22:22 PM
You think the little kid at the end of Identity grew up to be a Republican?

/whores don't get a second chance!
 
2013-02-21 09:28:54 PM

Githerax: Just kill the babies and get on with it.  Who needs 'em anyway.


Dingoes and Pagans, for starters.
 
2013-02-21 09:31:13 PM
"I got pregnant vaginally," she said. "Something else could come in my vagina for a medical test that wouldn't be that intrusive to me. So I find that argument a little ridiculous."

Wow. I don't even know what to say to that.
 
2013-02-21 09:31:26 PM
I've just invented an ultrasound wand that's just about as thin as coat-hangar wire.

I'm shopping around for medical equipment manufacturers. Any takers?
 
2013-02-21 09:32:09 PM

ryant123: "I got pregnant vaginally," she said. "Something else could come in my vagina for a medical test that wouldn't be that intrusive to me. So I find that argument a little ridiculous."

Wow. I don't even know what to say to that.


"Look, I'm not anti-vagina... I have *friends* who are vaginas!"
 
2013-02-21 09:34:57 PM

cameroncrazy1984: The GOP really loves to lose national and statewide elections, don't they.


This.

You'd think they'd farking learn after trying this bullshiat what, 3-4 times now?

But I hope they continue with this crap because there's too many Republicans in office as it is.

/wtb a sane right wing party . . .
 
2013-02-21 09:38:56 PM

ryant123: I got pregnant vaginally," she said. "Something else could come in my vagina for a medical test that wouldn't be that intrusive to me. So I find that argument a little ridiculous."

Wow. I don't even know what to say to that.


She's obviously never had the procedure done.  She should get knocked up and try it sometime.
 
2013-02-21 09:39:13 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Githerax: Just kill the babies and get on with it.  Who needs 'em anyway.

Dingoes and Pagans, for starters.


Burger King.
 
2013-02-21 09:40:53 PM
Gotta double rape to be double sure.

/rape

www.brandeo.com
//tried to find principal skinner licking bart's sidewalk gum, couldn't find it =(
 
2013-02-21 09:44:01 PM
For a bunch of closeted homosexuals, republicans sure like sticking things into women's lady parts.
 
2013-02-21 09:46:20 PM
DNRTFA, but I expected this a while back.

The first transvaginal ultrasound is really traumatic and not something someone would look forward to, but the patient might not know what they're getting into.  But!  Traumatize them with it, then tell them that before they can get that abortion, they gotta go through it AGAIN!

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
 
2013-02-21 09:47:09 PM
"I got pregnant vaginally," she said. "Something else could come in my vagina for a medical test that wouldn't be that intrusive to me. So I find that argument a little ridiculous."

*blink*
 
2013-02-21 09:49:39 PM
See, the Republican party is the party of job creators!  Think of all the jobs giving transvaginal ultrasounds this law's gonna create!
 
2013-02-21 09:51:54 PM
Submitters,

Please stop making me go to Huffinton Post to read summaries of articles from other sites.

Thank you.
ippolit
 
2013-02-21 09:52:28 PM
Can you imagine Rowsdower's buddy (Breitbart edition) in line to take on a Bogart at Hogwarts during Year 3?

It turns into a vagina ----- Rowdower's buddy yells "Ridikulous!" ---- then it turns into Trickle Down Economics.
 
2013-02-21 09:53:29 PM

cameroncrazy1984: The GOP really loves to lose national and statewide elections, don't they.


Yeah, that anti-abortion thing sure has turned them into a fringe party for 35 years.
 
2013-02-21 09:55:34 PM
It's like a Pickle Incident but with more forcible insertions!!1!

/Shoot, even the you-know-who's allowed abortions for the you-know-jews.
 
2013-02-21 09:58:03 PM

ippolit: Submitters,

Please stop making me go to Huffinton Post to read summaries of articles from other sites.

Thank you.
ippolit


And which original article was that exactly?
 
2013-02-21 09:58:56 PM
there something deeply wrong with these "christian" authoritarians
 
2013-02-21 09:58:59 PM
I don't understand this logic at all. OK, yes, two transvaginal ultrasounds is ridiculous but I'm pretty sure a transvaginal ultrasound is pretty commom to verify a pregnancy in the first trimester. So why do these Republicans keep acting like it's some gotcha to prevent abortions when most pregnant women -- even those who planned their pregnancies -- all have to undergo the same procedure? It's invasive, yes, but slathering some jelly on a woman's belly to see a six-week fetus is something that doesn't happen in real life.
 
2013-02-21 09:59:15 PM
The repubs lost the last election because they pissed off the blacks, the women, the gays and the Latinos. Their own analysis of the election indicated that and they've been talking about nothing else about how they have to reach out to these groups, among others. Today on Fark were stories about how the repubs have come up with new initiatives calculated to piss off women, Latinos and gays. All we need is a story about some teatard saying something stupid about the blacks and maybe a deliberate insult to college students and the the paranoid intolerance trifecta will be complete.
 
2013-02-21 10:00:32 PM
Isn't it against the law to perform unnecessary medical procedures?
 
2013-02-21 10:01:19 PM
That laser-like focus on jobs strikes again, I see.
 
2013-02-21 10:03:33 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: That laser-like focus on jobs strikes again, I see.


I'm sorry, I was busy looking at this mandatory gun insurance legislation. Did you say something?
 
2013-02-21 10:03:53 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: That laser-like focus on jobs strikes again, I see.


Obstetrician is a job and transvaginal ultrasound wands ain't gonna make themselves. Lube, rubber glove makers, people who wash the hospital gowns that the women get to put on... lots o' jobs. Hell, we should make em get a TVUS wanding once a week for 10 years afterwards just to make sure the baby didn't come back
 
2013-02-21 10:06:42 PM
"I got pregnant vaginally," she said.

Whoa, whoa, whoa- TMI, LADY.  I prefer to leave a little sense of mystery in the world.
 
2013-02-21 10:07:06 PM
There is no War on Women.  Just move along citizen.
 
2013-02-21 10:08:36 PM

Fart_Machine: There is no War on Women.  Just move along citizen.


can't we have a good old fashioned neanderthal bashing without sounding like hand-wringing, trite platitude spewing pussbags for once?
 
2013-02-21 10:10:39 PM

skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: There is no War on Women.  Just move along citizen.

can't we have a good old fashioned neanderthal bashing without sounding like hand-wringing, trite platitude spewing pussbags for once?


I don't know.  Can you?
 
2013-02-21 10:13:04 PM
You said unnecessary transvaginal ultrasounds  twice subby.

/everyone else?  i am disappoint
 
2013-02-21 10:13:29 PM

killershark: don't understand this logic at all. OK, yes, two transvaginal ultrasounds is ridiculous but I'm pretty sure a transvaginal ultrasound is pretty commom to verify a pregnancy in the first trimester. So why do these Republicans keep acting like it's some gotcha to prevent abortions when most pregnant women -- even those who planned their pregnancies -- all have to undergo the same procedure? It's invasive, yes, but slathering some jelly on a woman's belly to see a six-week fetus is something that doesn't happen in real life.


That's the thing. Normally women don't start pre-natal treatment and / or get an ultrasound until 12 weeks when you can use the jelly.  Most women will never have to get a transvaginal.
 
2013-02-21 10:14:06 PM
Somebody needs to Photoshop the Statue of Liberty being rape wanded. That might be the only way to get through to these sub-sentient prolapsed rectums.
 
2013-02-21 10:14:52 PM

Pincy: It's a good thing we have government around to tell doctors how to do their jobs.


It's a good thing we've got those small-government Republicans there to keep the government in check.
 
2013-02-21 10:20:11 PM

Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: There is no War on Women.  Just move along citizen.

can't we have a good old fashioned neanderthal bashing without sounding like hand-wringing, trite platitude spewing pussbags for once?

I don't know.  Can you?


yep. First step, don't say things like "War on Women". It's old. Call them lying, backwards farkwits scrambling for an excuse to invade a person's privacy. That's old too but doesn't sound so Wonkette-ish
 
2013-02-21 10:20:59 PM
"I got pregnant vaginally," she said. "Something else could come in my vagina for a medical test that wouldn't be that intrusive to me. So I find that argument a little ridiculous."

Just... Jesus. Once you've been penetrated once, any other penetrations don't matter? Let's all just pile on in there. One penis has been in there, so there is now no number of additional penises which will be considered intrusive.
 
2013-02-21 10:21:49 PM

Ed Grubermann: Pincy: It's a good thing we have government around to tell doctors how to do their jobs.

It's a good thing we've got those small-government Republicans there to keep the government in check.


Double-standards are a *kind* of standard.
 
2013-02-21 10:23:55 PM

WorldCitizen: Oh, Republican small government...


You misspelled Rapepublican there.
 
2013-02-21 10:25:27 PM

Felgraf: TinyFist: Felgraf: Oh COME ON.

says the guy in the three thousand dollar suit

Que?

The 'Come on' is at the GOP.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP_9zH9Q44o
 
2013-02-21 10:26:52 PM

gadian: killershark: don't understand this logic at all. OK, yes, two transvaginal ultrasounds is ridiculous but I'm pretty sure a transvaginal ultrasound is pretty commom to verify a pregnancy in the first trimester. So why do these Republicans keep acting like it's some gotcha to prevent abortions when most pregnant women -- even those who planned their pregnancies -- all have to undergo the same procedure? It's invasive, yes, but slathering some jelly on a woman's belly to see a six-week fetus is something that doesn't happen in real life.

That's the thing. Normally women don't start pre-natal treatment and / or get an ultrasound until 12 weeks when you can use the jelly.  Most women will never have to get a transvaginal.


What? No. Normally women begin prenatal treatment at six to eight weeks and any average obgyn is going to verify a pregnancy at that point with a transvaginal ultrasound after a positive test result from a urine sample. And in some cases, you will have more than one transvaginal ultrasound to make sure there is a heartbeat and the fetus is developing properly. If you're getting an abortion, a doctor will still need to verify there is a fetus with a transvaginal ultrasound so as not to perform an unnecessary procedure.
 
2013-02-21 10:26:57 PM
Why not just shove the probe up there and keep it there for a few weeks or until she changes her mind?
 
2013-02-21 10:28:09 PM
transvaginal ultrasounds = RAPE by proxy = every bill signer/yes voter, shall be considered a RAPIST, therefore warrants should be issued for arrest.

/Just because the bible condones RAPE, doesn't mean you can rape women for all eternity you Republican motherfarkingassholesoftotalshiatdom.
 
2013-02-21 10:28:43 PM
Days Since Republicans Burned Themselves With Women Voters Forever: 0
 
2013-02-21 10:31:31 PM

killershark: gadian: killershark:
What? No. Normally women begin prenatal treatment at six to eight weeks and any average obgyn is going to verify a pregnancy at that point with a transvaginal ultrasound after a positive test result from a urine sample. And in some cases, you will have more than one transvaginal ultrasound to make sure there is a heartbeat and the fetus is developing properly. If you're getting an abortion, a doctor will still need to verify there is a fetus with a transvaginal ultrasound so as not to perform an unnecessary procedure.


Nah.  At least not mine or any experience of any pregnant woman I've ever met.  And, for the record, I just had a kid less than two years ago. Could be regional things though, but I doubt it.  The general consensus I've always heard is don't start pre-natal treatments until after the first trimester because of the huge risk of miscarriage.  No sense in wasting the money or getting too attached.
 
2013-02-21 10:33:04 PM

ryant123: "I got pregnant vaginally," she said. "Something else could come in my vagina for a medical test that wouldn't be that intrusive to me. So I find that argument a little ridiculous."

Wow. I don't even know what to say to that.


How about this:
"If your poop has come out, then would it be not intrusive for penis to go in?  You know, for a medical test.  Checking your prostate for example."
 
2013-02-21 10:34:38 PM

killershark: I don't understand this logic at all. OK, yes, two transvaginal ultrasounds is ridiculous but I'm pretty sure a transvaginal ultrasound is pretty commom to verify a pregnancy in the first trimester. So why do these Republicans keep acting like it's some gotcha to prevent abortions when most pregnant women -- even those who planned their pregnancies -- all have to undergo the same procedure? It's invasive, yes, but slathering some jelly on a woman's belly to see a six-week fetus is something that doesn't happen in real life.


Not common at all.

This is common:
i470.photobucket.com

This is not:
Linked in case medical diagrams are considered NSFW

I've had both done.  One was for pregnancy and one was because of a possible tumor.

The regular ultrasound doesn't hurt one bit.  The transvaginal ultrasound was extremely uncomfortable.
I'm sure it would be even worse for a woman that hasn't pushed out two kids like I have.
I could see it being very traumatic for someone who was raped.
 
2013-02-21 10:35:47 PM
Please don't be Virginia, please don't be Virginia, please don't be Virginia....

(opens link)

It's not Virginia, oh thank you sweet baby jesus.  I guess it pays to have a governor with national goals next year, the herp a derp is cut down this session.
 
2013-02-21 10:36:48 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Days Since Republicans Burned Themselves With Women Voters Forever: 0


Yeah. Church ladies who drive this sort of legislation are really pissed off about... oh, wait.
 
2013-02-21 10:38:05 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Days Since Republicans Burned Themselves With Women Voters Forever: 0

Yeah. Church ladies who drive this sort of legislation are really pissed off about... oh, wait.


Yeah.  The GOP only has trouble with church lady voters so ... oh, wait.
 
2013-02-21 10:39:45 PM
This proposal is not entirely surprising and is somewhat understandable. Following criticism of suggesting that women be subjected to one transvaginal ultrasound scan prior to access to an abortion, Republican legislatures naturally assessed the likelihood that the correct response to that criticism be a requirement of two transvaginal ultrasound scans to be 50% (where zero such scans would be the alternative also with a 50% likelihood of being correct). They merely selected the incorrect of two equally probable options.
 
2013-02-21 10:40:01 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Lenny_da_Hog: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Days Since Republicans Burned Themselves With Women Voters Forever: 0

Yeah. Church ladies who drive this sort of legislation are really pissed off about... oh, wait.

Yeah.  The GOP only has trouble with church lady voters so ... oh, wait.


At this point, I don't know what the Republicans would have to do to drive off their current female voters.  I think most sane women voters that would be upset by this have already jumped ship.
 
2013-02-21 10:41:58 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Lenny_da_Hog: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Days Since Republicans Burned Themselves With Women Voters Forever: 0

Yeah. Church ladies who drive this sort of legislation are really pissed off about... oh, wait.

Yeah.  The GOP only has trouble with church lady voters so ... oh, wait.


They don't have any problems at all pissing off liberal women, as long as it earns the church-lady loyalty. What, you think the GOP has to reach centrist voters or something? Did you fall asleep in the Eisenhower administration and just wake up?
 
2013-02-21 10:42:05 PM
If only there was way to shut the whole thing down....
 
2013-02-21 10:42:08 PM

soaboutthat: I guess it pays to have a governor with national goals next year,


Welp, McDonnell just committed career suicide by proposing a 0.3% sales tax increase to pay for road repair and getting on The Norquist's bad side, so that might be over.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/20/grover-norquist-bob-mcdonne ll _n_2730173.html
 
2013-02-21 10:43:18 PM
Why do they have a bug up their ass fighting for things Jesus said absolutely nothing about  yet are willing to destroy our country to avoid doing the things that were spoken about?
 
2013-02-21 10:44:09 PM

dookdookdook: soaboutthat: I guess it pays to have a governor with national goals next year,

Welp, McDonnell just committed career suicide by proposing a 0.3% sales tax increase to pay for road repair and getting on The Norquist's bad side, so that might be over.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/20/grover-norquist-bob-mcdonne ll _n_2730173.html


Is Mr. Norquest unaware that sales tax most substantially impacts the poors?
 
2013-02-21 10:45:19 PM

Tymast: Why do they have a bug up their ass fighting for things Jesus said absolutely nothing about  yet are willing to destroy our country to avoid doing the things that were spoken about?


Because judging other people and pointing at them with a sneer on their faces is what they live for. They really don't understand much beyond that.
 
2013-02-21 10:45:19 PM

Tymast: Why do they have a bug up their ass fighting for things Jesus said absolutely nothing about  yet are willing to destroy our country to avoid doing the things that were spoken about?


Because they're Christian In Name Only.
 
2013-02-21 10:45:34 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: What, you think the GOP has to reach centrist voters or something? Did you fall asleep in the Eisenhower administration and just wake up?


I was awake during the Romney campaign, where he won 44% of the female vote, compared to Obama's 54%.

But please, keep pushing female voters away.  Proceed.
 
2013-02-21 10:49:10 PM

killershark: gadian: killershark: don't understand this logic at all. OK, yes, two transvaginal ultrasounds is ridiculous but I'm pretty sure a transvaginal ultrasound is pretty commom to verify a pregnancy in the first trimester. So why do these Republicans keep acting like it's some gotcha to prevent abortions when most pregnant women -- even those who planned their pregnancies -- all have to undergo the same procedure? It's invasive, yes, but slathering some jelly on a woman's belly to see a six-week fetus is something that doesn't happen in real life.

That's the thing. Normally women don't start pre-natal treatment and / or get an ultrasound until 12 weeks when you can use the jelly.  Most women will never have to get a transvaginal.

What? No. Normally women begin prenatal treatment at six to eight weeks and any average obgyn is going to verify a pregnancy at that point with a transvaginal ultrasound after a positive test result from a urine sample. And in some cases, you will have more than one transvaginal ultrasound to make sure there is a heartbeat and the fetus is developing properly. If you're getting an abortion, a doctor will still need to verify there is a fetus with a transvaginal ultrasound so as not to perform an unnecessary procedure.


No, an average OB/GYN is going to first give you a urine pregnancy test and a pelvic exam. If those cannot confirm a pregnancy or if there is some question about how far along the pregnancy is, then you get a blood test and then possibly a transvaginal, particularly if an ectopic pregnancy is suspected.

I don't know why people seem to think a transvaginal is a normal and standard part of prenatal care. It is not and an OB/GYN who thinks you need one for anything else other than a valid medical reason is just trying to pad their pocketbooks.
 
2013-02-21 10:50:48 PM
These inhuman dickhead politicians I hate, but they're just being pandering jackasses to remain in power.

It's the hideously inhuman, thick-skulled, inbred knuckle-dragging hillbilly scum who keep voting for these politicians that I want to see sticking between the tire grooves of an 18-wheeler as I plow into the crowd of em.
 
2013-02-21 10:51:03 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Lenny_da_Hog: What, you think the GOP has to reach centrist voters or something? Did you fall asleep in the Eisenhower administration and just wake up?

I was awake during the Romney campaign, where he won 44% of the female vote, compared to Obama's 54%.

But please, keep pushing female voters away.  Proceed.


But you see, if they actually put in policies to help the middle, it's not really worth being a Republican.

The idea is to convince that slender slice of fundamentalists and hicks to hate everyone enough to vote for the rich. That way, you don't need the middle. It works half the time, which is good enough to keep pumping that working class toil into the pockets of those who dream of ruling the world through capitalism.
 
2013-02-21 10:51:32 PM

Dimensio: dookdookdook: soaboutthat: I guess it pays to have a governor with national goals next year,

Welp, McDonnell just committed career suicide by proposing a 0.3% sales tax increase to pay for road repair and getting on The Norquist's bad side, so that might be over.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/20/grover-norquist-bob-mcdonne ll _n_2730173.html

Is Mr. Norquest unaware that sales tax most substantially impacts the poors?


It's better than that, the plan is touted as as way to make lower gas prices by getting rid of the gas tax and then raise the sales tax by .3% 
The problem he ran into was/is people crying that gas stations will still charge the same and gas prices have jumped by 40 cents in parts of the state in the last two weeks or so.
 
2013-02-21 10:53:58 PM
This may sound like a really stupid question, but... what if the woman doesn't show up for the second ultrasound?  Are they going to put the fetus back in there or something?  I mean this is kind of a paper tiger isn't it?
 
2013-02-21 10:54:09 PM

gadian: killershark: gadian: killershark:
What? No. Normally women begin prenatal treatment at six to eight weeks and any average obgyn is going to verify a pregnancy at that point with a transvaginal ultrasound after a positive test result from a urine sample. And in some cases, you will have more than one transvaginal ultrasound to make sure there is a heartbeat and the fetus is developing properly. If you're getting an abortion, a doctor will still need to verify there is a fetus with a transvaginal ultrasound so as not to perform an unnecessary procedure.

Nah.  At least not mine or any experience of any pregnant woman I've ever met.  And, for the record, I just had a kid less than two years ago. Could be regional things though, but I doubt it.  The general consensus I've always heard is don't start pre-natal treatments until after the first trimester because of the huge risk of miscarriage.  No sense in wasting the money or getting too attached.


Bizarre. I had my second baby within the last two years as well and with both my kids I had two transvaginal ultrasounds each and so did many of the moms I know. It must be a regional thing then. At least now all this debate makes more sense to me. It's definitely an invasive procedure for sure, but I just assumed that every woman had to go through that whether they planned to carry to term or not.
 
2013-02-21 10:56:34 PM
gadian:  Nah.  At least not mine or any experience of any pregnant woman I've ever met.  And, for the record, I just had a kid less than two years ago. Could be regional things though, but I doubt it.  The general consensus I've always heard is don't start pre-natal treatments until after the first trimester because of the huge risk of miscarriage.  No sense in wasting the money or getting too attached.

Around my region, it is difficult to get into an OB/GYN. They are booked pretty solid. Most women don't have a 1st appt. until about 10-12 weeks along. I don't know about how long it takes to get an appointment with a midwife but I doubt many midwives use transvaginal ultrasounds. If they have any concerns about your health or the health of the pregnancy, they are referring you to an OB/GYN.

The only time I got an appt. scheduled less than a month out was when my primary care found an egg sized cyst on my ovary and there were cancer concerns. If you have cysts, you will get to experience a transvaginal ultrasound many times.
 
2013-02-21 10:59:04 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: The idea is to convince that slender slice of fundamentalists and hicks to hate everyone enough to vote for the rich. That way, you don't need the middle.


Well, in terms of the public vote it's won them 1 of the last 5 presidential contests.  And that slender slice gets more slender all the time.  So I have no problem with them marrying themselves to that strategy forever.

Maybe we can bury the pathetic, shriveled corpse of their party in the same coffin as their last baby-boomer voter when he/she finally kicks off.
 
2013-02-21 10:59:08 PM
Really, all this shiat does is show you who should have been aborted about 40-50 years ago.
 
2013-02-21 10:59:56 PM

vsavatar: This may sound like a really stupid question, but... what if the woman doesn't show up for the second ultrasound?  Are they going to put the fetus back in there or something?  I mean this is kind of a paper tiger isn't it?


Also, is the cost of the transvaginal going to be included in the cost of the abortion or will the procedures have to be paid for separately?

I doubt this bill will make them free.
 
2013-02-21 11:00:57 PM
Make them take three or four. It shouldn't be made easy for them to kill their babies.
 
2013-02-21 11:02:31 PM
Every GOPer who votes for this should automatically receive a trans anus ultrasound.
 
2013-02-21 11:03:00 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Maybe we can bury the pathetic, shriveled corpse of their party in the same coffin as their last baby-boomer voter when he/she finally kicks off.


Yeah. There are no young families in fundamentalist churches or rural areas. It's all because of old people. I'll bet even the Catholics are hurting for money these days.
 
2013-02-21 11:05:12 PM

Jensaarai: Pincy: It's a good thing we have government around to tell doctors how to do their jobs.

Sometimes it feels like the entire purpose of the conservative movement is to intentionally make the government do stupid shiat in an attempt to "show" everyone else how bad the government is.


The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it.
-PJ O'Rourke
 
2013-02-21 11:05:16 PM

Alicious: gadian:  Nah.  At least not mine or any experience of any pregnant woman I've ever met.  And, for the record, I just had a kid less than two years ago. Could be regional things though, but I doubt it.  The general consensus I've always heard is don't start pre-natal treatments until after the first trimester because of the huge risk of miscarriage.  No sense in wasting the money or getting too attached.

Around my region, it is difficult to get into an OB/GYN. They are booked pretty solid. Most women don't have a 1st appt. until about 10-12 weeks along. I don't know about how long it takes to get an appointment with a midwife but I doubt many midwives use transvaginal ultrasounds. If they have any concerns about your health or the health of the pregnancy, they are referring you to an OB/GYN.

The only time I got an appt. scheduled less than a month out was when my primary care found an egg sized cyst on my ovary and there were cancer concerns. If you have cysts, you will get to experience a transvaginal ultrasound many times.


Strangely, it seems to be a thing decided on between the woman and her doctor. My sister has had five, and to the best of my knowledge has NEVER had a transvaginal, only the standard abdominal ultrasound. She did have an amniocentesis with her last, because of her age, and I guess they would have done a transvaginal if there had been any concerns; but my sister the doctor who handles a lot of family planning (and abortions) has never mentioned the need for anyone to have more than an abdominal. Of course, she works at a clinic where most patients don't have insurance for expensive procedures.

It seems odd to think that maybe these things are decided by doctors and the women having the babies, and not by legislators, but there you go.
 
2013-02-21 11:06:16 PM
<i>"I got pregnant vaginally," she said. "Something else could come in my vagina for a medical test that wouldn't be that intrusive to me. So I find that argument a little ridiculous."</i>

That is...officially...by MILES...the dumbest thing I have ever heard anyone say in this debate. That wins out over "legitimate rape," that wins out over Santorum's "broken children" assertion, that beats everything. That is so dumb that it drags down things that other people are saying. From now on, whenever I'm involved in this debate with a friend or relative, all I have to do is point to THIS.
 
2013-02-21 11:06:23 PM
The Ultrasound Technician lobby must really be invested in the GOP.

Jobs!

Yeah. Right. That's the motivation.
 
2013-02-21 11:06:34 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Yeah. There are no young families in fundamentalist churches or rural areas.


If they want to marginalize themselves and be a neutered third-party for fundies in the backwaters, I'm cool with that too.  Proceed.
 
2013-02-21 11:06:58 PM
Davis, who regularly performs abortions at her practice in New York, said she is frustrated that legislators with no medical background are passing laws that regulate how she deals with patients.

Better get used to it sweetheart, it happens all the time. Here in Utah, you have people run for the Legislature and the state liquor board on a teetotaler platform, never having consumed a drop of alcohol in their lives, yet planning to tell people just where, when and how they can drink alcoholic beverages. Same thing with all of the anti-gun Democrats trying to define laws for guns that they can't even accurately describe.

You think it's going to be any different here, or do you just suddenly care now that you are directly affected? It's why we need some kind of competency training for elected officials, letting the 'average Joe' get elected IS The American Way, but it bites us on the ass FAR more than it helps us.
 
2013-02-21 11:09:10 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Lenny_da_Hog: Yeah. There are no young families in fundamentalist churches or rural areas.

If they want to marginalize themselves and be a neutered third-party for fundies in the backwaters, I'm cool with that too.  Proceed.


It worked for Reagan, it worked for Bush I, and it worked for Bush II. It won them the Senate a few times, and it's what has the House for them now. I don't understand how you see this marketing strategy is a failure when they're holding the US Government hostage for the rich as we speak.
 
2013-02-21 11:15:12 PM
Who are we to say how many unnecessary transvaginal ultrasounds are enough?
 
2013-02-21 11:15:20 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: I don't understand how you see this marketing strategy is a failure when they're holding the US Government hostage for the rich as we speak.


Because they had to indulge in stomach-churningly evil gerrymandering to keep their stranglehold on the US government on behalf of the rich?  Because they lost the Presidential election?  Twice?  And only snuck Dubya in the first time on a party-line vote in the Supreme Court?  And demographics have changed since Reagan was too retarded to continue to be President but was President anyway?
 
2013-02-21 11:16:17 PM
I guess it's not too early to start losing in 2016.
 
2013-02-21 11:20:14 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Because they had to indulge in stomach-churningly evil gerrymandering to keep their stranglehold on the US government on behalf of the rich?  Because they lost the Presidential election?  Twice?


And every penny of the economic recovery has gone into the pockets of the wealthy? And the Democrats have to cater to them to get anything passed? And the GOP is in complete control of a lot of state governments and reaping the benefits there?

It's working for them. They're using the social pecking-order tendencies of stupid people to get them to vote away their own well-being, and it's working for them. How else are you going to get trailer trash to vote for Wall Street cash -- reasonable policies?
 
2013-02-21 11:25:33 PM

Snarfangel: Who are we to say how many unnecessary transvaginal ultrasounds are enough?


I didn't want to let on, but I guess this is an appropriate time. I'm Indiana state Senator Travis Holdman. Maybe I can clear up some of the questions regarding this bill so you can better understand why we have proposed this measure that is of the utmost importance to our entire political party.

You ask a good question, who are we to say? See? This is why we have a bible. In such sacred matters of sanctity and sacredness, for the children, we should defer to God's judgement.

To those that oppose our proposed multiple transvaginal ultrasound plans I say this:

I hear your concerns and I want you to know I'm praying very hard for God to send me any sign... any sign at all... that this isn't what he would want us to do.

Should God deem it fit to tell me to redact this bill, I assure you I will do so.
 
2013-02-21 11:25:49 PM

skullkrusher: Fluorescent Testicle: That laser-like focus on jobs strikes again, I see.

Obstetrician is a job and transvaginal ultrasound wands ain't gonna make themselves. Lube, rubber glove makers, people who wash the hospital gowns that the women get to put on... lots o' jobs. Hell, we should make em get a TVUS wanding once a week for 10 years afterwards just to make sure the baby didn't come back


You want more jobs involving lube, rubber gloves, gown washers?

Then try this for a new Republican jobs initiative: gay bondage nightclubs.
 
2013-02-21 11:26:48 PM

freetomato: The Ultrasound Technician lobby must really be invested in the GOP.

Jobs!

Yeah. Right. That's the motivation.


the transvaginal has to be performed by a doctor I think
 
2013-02-21 11:27:28 PM

Gyrfalcon: Strangely, it seems to be a thing decided on between the woman and her doctor. My sister has had five, and to the best of my knowledge has NEVER had a transvaginal, only the standard abdominal ultrasound. She did have an amniocentesis with her last, because of her age, and I guess they would have done a transvaginal if there had been any concerns; but my sister the doctor who handles a lot of family planning (and abortions) has never mentioned the need for anyone to have more than an abdominal. Of course, she works at a clinic where most patients don't have insurance for expensive procedures.

It seems odd to think that maybe these things are decided by doctors and the women having the babies, and not by legislators, but there you go.


Yup, Heaven forbid that people get to make their own medical decisions with information from their doctor.

But what do I know?  I live in a state that is trying to pass legislation to mandate that doctors lie to their patients about abortion, both in telling them it causes cancer and withholding info from the woman if they think she may opt for an abortion.

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2013/feb/20/opponents-supporters-aborti on -bill-square/

We already have to purchase a separate insurance policy for abortion coverage.
 
2013-02-21 11:28:35 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: It's working for them.


Dooooooon't stop, beleeeeeeeeeeeevin...
 
2013-02-21 11:29:39 PM

Alicious: We already have to purchase a separate insurance policy for abortion coverage.


does anyone actually do that?
 
2013-02-21 11:30:09 PM

MurphyMurphy: Snarfangel: Who are we to say how many unnecessary transvaginal ultrasounds are enough?

I didn't want to let on, but I guess this is an appropriate time. I'm Indiana state Senator Travis Holdman. Maybe I can clear up some of the questions regarding this bill so you can better understand why we have proposed this measure that is of the utmost importance to our entire political party.

You ask a good question, who are we to say? See? This is why we have a bible. In such sacred matters of sanctity and sacredness, for the children, we should defer to God's judgement.

To those that oppose our proposed multiple transvaginal ultrasound plans I say this:

I hear your concerns and I want you to know I'm praying very hard for God to send me any sign... any sign at all... that this isn't what he would want us to do.

Should God deem it fit to tell me to redact this bill, I assure you I will do so.


LIES.

1. You didn't capitalize "Bible." Your soul would have prevented any typos.

2. Lack of sesquipedalian loquaciousness. You are not a GOP politician.
 
2013-02-21 11:30:57 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Lenny_da_Hog: It's working for them.

Dooooooon't stop, beleeeeeeeeeeeevin...


Dumbass, I'm a Democrat. I didn't say it was a good thing, but just pretending it's not working isn't going to change anything.
 
2013-02-21 11:34:01 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: LIES.

1. You didn't capitalize "Bible." Your soul would have prevented any typos.

2. Lack of sesquipedalian loquaciousness. You are not a GOP politician.


Typical liberal racism.

I happen to be a potato, sir. And a God-fearing one at that. This bears with it some mental challenges none of which I expect you to be sensitive of.

Good day!
 
2013-02-21 11:34:42 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Maybe we can bury the pathetic, shriveled corpse of their party in the same coffin as their last baby-boomer voter when he/she finally kicks off.

Yeah. There are no young families in fundamentalist churches or rural areas. It's all because of old people. I'll bet even the Catholics are hurting for money these days.


They are.  They keep losing lawsuits.
 
2013-02-21 11:35:06 PM

Bucky Katt: Every GOPer who votes for this should automatically receive a trans anus ultrasound.


I suspect it's a great way to check for prostate cancer. Colon cancer too. Bladder cancer. Heck, maybe it should be mandatory every 3 months for men over 50.
 
2013-02-21 11:36:23 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Well, in terms of the public vote it's won them 1 of the last 5 presidential contests.  And that slender slice gets more slender all the time.  So I have no problem with them marrying themselves to that strategy forever.


If by "public vote" you mean popular vote, I think the Republicans have won only one of the last six presidential elections.  The Republicans lost the popular vote in 1992, 1996, 2000, 2008, and 2012, and won in 2004.
 
2013-02-21 11:37:08 PM

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Bucky Katt: Every GOPer who votes for this should automatically receive a trans anus ultrasound.

I suspect it's a great way to check for prostate cancer. Colon cancer too. Bladder cancer. Heck, maybe it should be mandatory every 3 months for men over 50.


How else are we to know if a baby crawled up our asses in the middle of the night while we were sleeping? Now that I think about it, I demand weekly transanal ultrasounds for everyone.  Think of the children.
 
2013-02-21 11:37:10 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Lenny_da_Hog: It's working for them.

Dooooooon't stop, beleeeeeeeeeeeevin...

Dumbass, I'm a Democrat. I didn't say it was a good thing, but just pretending it's not working isn't going to change anything.


Democrat or not, it appears that you

Dooooooon't stop, beleeeeeeeeeeeevin...

/anything that scares more voters into the D-column is okay with me
//keep up with the rapey-ness, GOPers
///further to the right, and purge the nonbelievers!
 
2013-02-21 11:37:50 PM
Because this didn't violate enough rape statutes the  first time around.

I'mma just go break out the 'I am not a caterpillar' signs.
 
2013-02-21 11:39:27 PM

Mikey1969: Same thing with all of the anti-gun Democrats trying to define laws for guns that they can't even accurately describe.


Yeah, and all those anti-heroin radicals who don't even know the difference between H3 and H4.
 
2013-02-21 11:40:35 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Lenny_da_Hog: It's working for them.

Dooooooon't stop, beleeeeeeeeeeeevin...

Dumbass, I'm a Democrat. I didn't say it was a good thing, but just pretending it's not working isn't going to change anything.


They've overplayed their hand. It's cost them the Senate, two races were lost in particular because of rape rape, and America was SO pissed at them they elected a black guy named Barack Hussein Obama - twice. They actually got fewer national votes for the House. They definitely have won, but in the last few years they've lost a generation of Americans.
 
2013-02-21 11:40:53 PM

MurphyMurphy: Lenny_da_Hog: LIES.

1. You didn't capitalize "Bible." Your soul would have prevented any typos.

2. Lack of sesquipedalian loquaciousness. You are not a GOP politician.

Typical liberal racism.

I happen to be a potato, sir. And a God-fearing one at that. This bears with it some mental challenges none of which I expect you to be sensitive of.

Good day!


Oh, right. This is STATE-level GOP. Forgive me, my Tuber-American brother and/or sister and/or transgender.
 
2013-02-21 11:42:53 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: I'll bet even the Catholics are hurting for money these days.


Yes, actually.
 
2013-02-21 11:44:41 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Lenny_da_Hog: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Lenny_da_Hog: It's working for them.

Dooooooon't stop, beleeeeeeeeeeeevin...

Dumbass, I'm a Democrat. I didn't say it was a good thing, but just pretending it's not working isn't going to change anything.

Democrat or not, it appears that you

Dooooooon't stop, beleeeeeeeeeeeevin...

/anything that scares more voters into the D-column is okay with me
//keep up with the rapey-ness, GOPers
///further to the right, and purge the nonbelievers!


I don't stop believing that the rich are in control via their control of various levels of government. You seem to think that Obamacare went through without a hitch, that all of Obama's cabinet positions are filled, that funding for a jobs bill went through, education is solved and funded, etc., etc., just because we won the presidency and a few more seats in the Senate.

Centrists don't vote. Angry stupid people vote nearly every time.

Where did the rich lose?
 
2013-02-21 11:46:29 PM

pciszek: Lenny_da_Hog: I'll bet even the Catholics are hurting for money these days.

Yes, actually.


Funny, they just ask for $200 million and it will appear. Preying works better than praying.
 
2013-02-21 11:53:52 PM
Since only old men vote republican, and old men are at the highest risk for prostate cancer, it makes sense to me to give every person who votes republican a prostate exam right after they vote.
 
2013-02-21 11:54:42 PM

Mikey1969: Here in Utah, you have people run for the Legislature and the state liquor board on a teetotaler platform, never having consumed a drop of alcohol in their lives


Here in Colorado, people get elected to the public transportation board of directors with the stated goal of eliminating public transportation.  Ditto for public education occasionally.
 
2013-02-21 11:55:09 PM

Mikey1969: Same thing with all of the anti-gun Democrats trying to define laws for guns that they can't even accurately describe.


It's *precisely* the same, in fact.

The anti-gun people are putting "pain-in-the-ass" requirements in place just to punish law-abiding citizens. Mandatory insurance! You have to spend 2,000 hours in competency certification or you're a murderer! Blah, blah, blah.

It's all punishment of people they don't like doing things they don't like, even though they're protected activities. Can't outlaw abortions? Just redefine every step and every facility to make it so expensive and such a pain in the ass that some people will think having the kid will be easier.

Can't outlaw gun ownership? Then just make it so expensive and such a pain in the ass that minor hobbyists and hunters have to give it up, but the really motivated and violent people will still have them.
 
2013-02-21 11:56:18 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: MurphyMurphy: Lenny_da_Hog: LIES.

1. You didn't capitalize "Bible." Your soul would have prevented any typos.

2. Lack of sesquipedalian loquaciousness. You are not a GOP politician.

Typical liberal racism.

I happen to be a potato, sir. And a God-fearing one at that. This bears with it some mental challenges none of which I expect you to be sensitive of.

Good day!

Oh, right. This is STATE-level GOP. Forgive me, my Tuber-American brother and/or sister and/or transgender.


We should make that the official nomenclature.  "Palin-American" is old and busted.
 
2013-02-21 11:56:32 PM
Every Republican who wants to subject women to this bullshiat should be forced to have a huge white dildo rammed up their asses not once, but twice. For medical purposes, natch.
 
2013-02-21 11:59:57 PM
See, this is really the whole problem with Religion. Forget rationality vs belief. Forget miracles vs science. Forget evolution vs creationism. The problem with religion is this: it gives self righteous assholes an excuse to feel important, and to inflict their nonsense on the rest of us.
 
2013-02-22 12:00:04 AM

Alicious: I live in a state that is trying to pass legislation to mandate that doctors lie to their patients


If such a law were passed, could a doctor get away with saying "The state government requires me to tell you the following, even though it is a lie." [recites state mandated statement] "The previous statement was a lie, don't believe it."?
 
2013-02-22 12:00:05 AM

MSFT: Since only old men vote republican, and old men are at the highest risk for prostate cancer, it makes sense to me to give every person who votes republican a prostate exam right after they vote.


Should be before every vote.  Gotta make sure they're fit and healthy to vote after all.
 
2013-02-22 12:10:21 AM
If the requirement to have a gun locked up violates the constitutional right to have a gun as it makes it not immediately available for self defense, how does the requirement to have an invasive ultrasound not violate the right to privacy that Roe v Wade is based on?

Two rights under the constitution, but adding requirements to one is unconstitutional but adding requirements to another seems to be fine...
 
2013-02-22 12:23:18 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-22 12:24:09 AM
Looks no bigger than a french tickler. May as well enjoy your trans vag ultrasound.

Make it vibrate and use silicone lube. That should take care of the problem.
 
2013-02-22 12:32:17 AM
media.lehighvalleylive.com
 
2013-02-22 12:35:32 AM
We're going to be back to using coat hangers and drinking turpentine by the end of the year, aren't we?
 
2013-02-22 12:40:44 AM

Gyrfalcon: We're going to be back to using coat hangers and drinking turpentine by the end of the year, aren't we?


Maybe the poors. Real Westerosians just have the maester brew up some moon tea
 
2013-02-22 01:07:28 AM

pciszek: Mikey1969: Here in Utah, you have people run for the Legislature and the state liquor board on a teetotaler platform, never having consumed a drop of alcohol in their lives

Here in Colorado, people get elected to the public transportation board of directors with the stated goal of eliminating public transportation.  Ditto for public education occasionally.


Well, I guess I can sleep tonight knowing that I'm not alone in being in a state where assholes decide they want to play Napoleon and fark up everybody's life, simply because they can.
 
2013-02-22 01:25:07 AM

Mikey1969: pciszek: Mikey1969: Here in Utah, you have people run for the Legislature and the state liquor board on a teetotaler platform, never having consumed a drop of alcohol in their lives

Here in Colorado, people get elected to the public transportation board of directors with the stated goal of eliminating public transportation.  Ditto for public education occasionally.

Well, I guess I can sleep tonight knowing that I'm not alone in being in a state where assholes decide they want to play Napoleon and fark up everybody's life, simply because they can.


To be fair, alcohol affects teetotalers as well as drinkers. I don't drink, but I'm still at risk from drunk drivers, still have to deal with the bar owners across the street, etc. Lots of alcohol issues go beyond people consuming it in their own homes -- bars affect everyone.
 
2013-02-22 01:27:48 AM
The entire process of figuring out what medical procedure should be done for a woman and her baby should be between her and her doctor. I don't care if transvaginal ultrasounds are normal procedure or not because her options shouldn't be legislated anyway. Of course, this bill is more about forcing a woman to choose between her own choice and the pain of a forced procedure anyway. If you can't force them to do what you want I guess you try to torture them into it.
 
2013-02-22 01:37:11 AM
"I got pregnant vaginally," she said. "Something else could come in my vagina for a medical test that wouldn't be that intrusive to me. So I find that argument a little ridiculous."

Ms. Swayze, you must now hand in your woman card and vagina.  You are no longer allowed to be considered female.
 
2013-02-22 01:41:13 AM

killershark: I don't understand this logic at all. OK, yes, two transvaginal ultrasounds is ridiculous but I'm pretty sure a transvaginal ultrasound is pretty commom to verify a pregnancy in the first trimester. So why do these Republicans keep acting like it's some gotcha to prevent abortions when most pregnant women -- even those who planned their pregnancies -- all have to undergo the same procedure? It's invasive, yes, but slathering some jelly on a woman's belly to see a six-week fetus is something that doesn't happen in real life.


If it makes abortion more expensive and unpleasant, women will have fewer abortions.

This bill also makes running an abortion clinic prohibitively expensive, even if all the abortions it performs consist of handing out pills.
 
2013-02-22 01:49:47 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: Mikey1969: pciszek: Mikey1969: Here in Utah, you have people run for the Legislature and the state liquor board on a teetotaler platform, never having consumed a drop of alcohol in their lives

Here in Colorado, people get elected to the public transportation board of directors with the stated goal of eliminating public transportation.  Ditto for public education occasionally.

Well, I guess I can sleep tonight knowing that I'm not alone in being in a state where assholes decide they want to play Napoleon and fark up everybody's life, simply because they can.

To be fair, alcohol affects teetotalers as well as drinkers. I don't drink, but I'm still at risk from drunk drivers, still have to deal with the bar owners across the street, etc. Lots of alcohol issues go beyond people consuming it in their own homes -- bars affect everyone.


Too bad their bullshiat has nothing to do with drunk drivers, bars or bar owners. When people make restaurants with alcohol service add $50,000 to their build cost to add an extra room so that the bartender can mix drinks out of sight, because kids might see a drink being mixed and then grow up to be an alcoholic, that's not "public safety", it's bullshiat, and the restaurants open their new locations out of state.

When liquor control officers come into a crowded bar as a party of 4,order drinks, and then send 2 to the bathroom as the waitress is coming back with the drinks, just to cite the bar with over-serving, suspending the bar's license for 30-90 days, putting people out of work, that's not "public service", it's harassment.

When you can't get a drink at a restaurant while waiting for your table, can't in fact order a drink while looking at your menu until food has been ordered, but have no such requirement to eat food with your drinks at a bar, that's not "public service", it's a nuisance law designed to penalize drinkers for being drinkers.

When all alcohol is sold in the monopoly of state run liquor stores and subject to an 85% markup, that's not "public service", it's hypocrisy by the people who claim that alcohol is "evil", but want to make as much money off of it as possible, all while earmarking it for education, but leaving in loopholes that allow them to constantly funnel off the money into pet projects, actually leaving the state near(or at) the bottom for per-student funding.

If they were regulations designed to actually protect the public, it would be one thing, but they are 100% designed to penalize drinkers while the same people make this the #1 state for prescription drug abuse(The Mormons didn't know about 'scripts when Joseph Smith "translated the Word of God".


So there's that. This state is so farked up that MADD has to keep reminding the Utah chapter(And everyone else) that they aren't a prohibitionist organization, and that Utah MADD is twisting their mission statement for their own means.
 
2013-02-22 01:52:26 AM

Lorelle: Every Republican who wants to subject women to this bullshiat should be forced to have a huge white dildo rammed up their asses not once, but twice. For medical purposes, natch.


Not the same thing. Remember, these dirty sluts have already had something stuffed up their vaginas in the first place, or they wouldn't be pregnant, didn't you read that totally rational explanation in TFA? The woman makes total sense, amirite?
 
2013-02-22 01:54:10 AM

Alicious: killershark: gadian: killershark: don't understand this logic at all. OK, yes, two transvaginal ultrasounds is ridiculous but I'm pretty sure a transvaginal ultrasound is pretty commom to verify a pregnancy in the first trimester. So why do these Republicans keep acting like it's some gotcha to prevent abortions when most pregnant women -- even those who planned their pregnancies -- all have to undergo the same procedure? It's invasive, yes, but slathering some jelly on a woman's belly to see a six-week fetus is something that doesn't happen in real life.

That's the thing. Normally women don't start pre-natal treatment and / or get an ultrasound until 12 weeks when you can use the jelly.  Most women will never have to get a transvaginal.

What? No. Normally women begin prenatal treatment at six to eight weeks and any average obgyn is going to verify a pregnancy at that point with a transvaginal ultrasound after a positive test result from a urine sample. And in some cases, you will have more than one transvaginal ultrasound to make sure there is a heartbeat and the fetus is developing properly. If you're getting an abortion, a doctor will still need to verify there is a fetus with a transvaginal ultrasound so as not to perform an unnecessary procedure.

No, an average OB/GYN is going to first give you a urine pregnancy test and a pelvic exam. If those cannot confirm a pregnancy or if there is some question about how far along the pregnancy is, then you get a blood test and then possibly a transvaginal, particularly if an ectopic pregnancy is suspected.

I don't know why people seem to think a transvaginal is a normal and standard part of prenatal care. It is not and an OB/GYN who thinks you need one for anything else other than a valid medical reason is just trying to pad their pocketbooks.


But we're not talking about pre-natal care; we're talking about pre-abortion care.  88-92% of all abortions happen during the first twelve weeks; most abortions will require a transvaginal ultrasound.
 
2013-02-22 02:03:38 AM

wotthefark: Looks no bigger than a french tickler. May as well enjoy your trans vag ultrasound.

Make it vibrate and use silicone lube. That should take care of the problem.


And put some ribs on that thing, "for her pleasure."
 
2013-02-22 02:11:54 AM

BarkingUnicorn: But we're not talking about pre-natal care; we're talking about pre-abortion care. 88-92% of all abortions happen during the first twelve weeks; most abortions will require a transvaginal ultrasound.


The original assertation was that most women who get pregnant get the transvag and we were just saying that wasn't true.  Most women never get the transvaginal ultrasound.  However, it is more or less standard practice for abortions very, very early in the first trimester to determine the location and age of the fetus.  Below 9 weeks a woman can take the pills which are cheaper and more private than the standard procedure so doctors really want to do it that way if they can.
 
2013-02-22 02:13:02 AM
You lib yards just don't understand. The world isn't safe with just one transvaginal ultrasound. What will protect those babies are TWO transvaginal ultrasounds!
 
2013-02-22 03:11:06 AM
Those conservatives....always the thoughful thoughtless bunch.


rlv.zcache.com
 
2013-02-22 03:34:12 AM
Twice as nice and twice as OUCH!
 
2013-02-22 04:57:05 AM

BarkingUnicorn:
But we're not talking about pre-natal care; we're talking about pre-abortion care.  88-92% of all abortions happen during the first twelve weeks; most abortions will require a transvaginal ultrasound.


It's completely useless the entire first month. The embryo isn't even visible on a transvaginal ultrasound until the fifth or sixth week, which is just a week or so before it's visible on an abdominal ultrasound. For most abortions there's no absolutely no medical necessity.
 
2013-02-22 05:43:06 AM
And I see we have a call coming in on the shill troll hotline lets cut to that and see who's calling,


tony41454: Make them take three or four. It shouldn't be made easy for them to kill their babies.


Give him a hand folks, Tony41454, phoning in his daily troll.
 
2013-02-22 06:31:06 AM
Why not do one in the vag and one in the ass? That'll learn them to keep their legs shut!
 
2013-02-22 06:40:41 AM

Wyalt Derp: Why not do one in the vag and one in the ass? That'll learn them to keep their legs shut!


silly wabbit....u dun no nuttin......that is what aspirin is for! (mediaite.com)
 
2013-02-22 07:10:28 AM
Heh... fark these proudly ignorant, regressive ideologues.
 
2013-02-22 07:12:22 AM
At the same time?

/I think I've seen that video....
 
2013-02-22 07:16:04 AM

heinekenftw: cameroncrazy1984: The GOP really loves to lose national and statewide elections, don't they.

This.

You'd think they'd farking learn after trying this bullshiat what, 3-4 times now?

But I hope they continue with this crap because there's too many Republicans in office as it is.

/wtb a sane right wing party . . .


The USA has a sane right wing party. The Democratic Party.

/Globally speaking, they are right wing.
 
2013-02-22 07:28:08 AM

ryant123: "I got pregnant vaginally," she said. "Something else could come in my vagina for a medical test that wouldn't be that intrusive to me. So I find that argument a little ridiculous."

Wow. I don't even know what to say to that.


You give your condolences to her husband because either she's numb in her lady parts or he has a peener the size of a pencil or both.
 
2013-02-22 07:31:09 AM
BarkingUnicorn:  most abortions will require a transvaginal ultrasound.

No they don't. God what an idiotic thing to say. I'm embarrassed for you.
 
2013-02-22 07:52:09 AM

coeyagi: Can you imagine Rowsdower's buddy (Breitbart edition) in line to take on a Bogart at Hogwarts during Year 3?

It turns into a vagina ----- Rowdower's buddy yells "Ridikulous!" ---- then it turns into Trickle Down Economics.


I wonder if there's derp on the sun.
 
2013-02-22 07:58:09 AM

gadian: What's wrong with leaving this as a discussion between the practitioner and the patient?  Really?  Can't we just let those two sort it out?

"Hey ma'am, the most accurate method is this trans-vaginal thingy that's very painful, but there are other methods."
"Hmm...Let's talk about the other methods first."

See how easy and non-legislatey the whole thing can be?


Transvaginal ultrasounds aren't a method of abortion. The logic of proponents is literally "if these women want to murder their babies so much, they should have to look them in the eye first." Their idea of a compromise on this is not requiring the patient to watch it being performed, just that they have to undergo the procedure and be encouraged to look (what was their original idea? An "A Clockwork Orange" apparatus?) while it's being done.

The whole idea is based on this view that women who wish to terminate a pregnancy are not giving the matter significant consideration and that if they were to be shown that the fetus is developing into a baby they will refuse an abortion. I've never known anyone who considered an abortion who didn't treat it seriously and consider the ramifications before they went through with it: it's a solution searching for a problem. Instead it just causes physical discomfort, time burdens, and increased costs for procedures that are legal in this country.
 
2013-02-22 08:06:37 AM

Raharu: And I see we have a call coming in on the shill troll hotline lets cut to that and see who's calling,


tony41454: Make them take three or four. It shouldn't be made easy for them to kill their babies.

Give him a hand folks, Tony41454, phoning in his daily troll.


Cut him some slack--he's been having a really hard time since the truth hit him early last November.
 
2013-02-22 08:19:06 AM

Gergesa: "I got pregnant vaginally," she said.

So the penis goes into the vagina?


/This woman has amazing powers of insight.


I knew it!!!!  Blacks and brown babies come out the butt, anal babies!!!!!
 
2013-02-22 08:24:48 AM
I had to have a trans-vaginal ultrasound to examine an ovarian cyst.  It wasn't "painful" per se, but it was certainly very uncomfortable, mostly due to a lot of pressure in a sensitive area.  If something like that was forced on a rape victim, I'd say it would be the equivalent of, "Hey, you just got kicked in the nads, so we're going to put your balls in a vice for 10 minutes to make sure nothing's broken."
 
2013-02-22 08:28:23 AM

Fast Moon: I had to have a trans-vaginal ultrasound to examine an ovarian cyst.  It wasn't "painful" per se, but it was certainly very uncomfortable, mostly due to a lot of pressure in a sensitive area.  If something like that was forced on a rape victim, I'd say it would be the equivalent of, "Hey, you just got kicked in the nads, so we're going to put your balls in a vice for 10 minutes to make sure nothing's broken."


But beyond that, if the procedure is medically necessary... it's medically necessary.

Now, sadly for Republicans, this procedure isn't necessary.  It's punitive.  I find it more than a little ironic that for all their "The government will come between you and your doctor!!!!" nonsense during the healthcare debacle that it's exactly what they're looking to do with legislation like this.  And it's not even for the good of the patient, it's to punish the woman in question for daring to have premarital sex without effective contraception or looking too fine for a rapist to resist.
 
2013-02-22 08:56:51 AM

Fast Moon: I had to have a trans-vaginal ultrasound to examine an ovarian cyst.  It wasn't "painful" per se, but it was certainly very uncomfortable, mostly due to a lot of pressure in a sensitive area.  If something like that was forced on a rape victim, I'd say it would be the equivalent of, "Hey, you just got kicked in the nads, so we're going to put your balls in a vice for 10 minutes to make sure nothing's broken."


Or more simply put, it is an unnecessary medical procedure designed to make the person reconsider the choice to have an abortion. So this is like pulling out one of your teeth to show you how painful surgery is before you have that appendectomy.
 
2013-02-22 09:02:19 AM
so this is for the morning after pill. just exactly what is it they think they'll see within the first week of a pregnancy with that wand?
 
2013-02-22 09:07:04 AM
if this is simply to shame the woman they should just require a mandatory tattoo on her forehead. just write "baby killer" on her head to permanently mark her.
 
2013-02-22 09:08:37 AM
and remember. we need assault weapons to keep Sharia Law at bay. - Louie Gomert (R)idiculous
 
2013-02-22 09:19:15 AM
Job, jobs, jobs!
 
2013-02-22 09:22:39 AM

Fart_Machine: There is no War on Women.  Just move along citizen.


Aint't that the truth.
 
2013-02-22 10:01:51 AM

monoski: Fast Moon: I had to have a trans-vaginal ultrasound to examine an ovarian cyst.  It wasn't "painful" per se, but it was certainly very uncomfortable, mostly due to a lot of pressure in a sensitive area.  If something like that was forced on a rape victim, I'd say it would be the equivalent of, "Hey, you just got kicked in the nads, so we're going to put your balls in a vice for 10 minutes to make sure nothing's broken."

Or more simply put, it is an unnecessary medical procedure designed to make the person reconsider the choice to have an abortion. So this is like pulling out one of your teeth to show you how painful surgery is before you have that appendectomy.


Here's the thing, history has shown us that women are willing to take extreme and life-threatening measures to terminate unwanted pregnancies.  As humiliating as a forced transvaginal ultrasound may be, it's not going to deter women from seeking an abortion.  It's only purpose is slut-shaming.
 
2013-02-22 10:11:00 AM
killershark: I don't understand this logic at all. OK, yes, two transvaginal ultrasounds is ridiculous but I'm pretty sure a transvaginal ultrasound is pretty commom to verify a pregnancy in the first trimester. So why do these Republicans keep acting like it's some gotcha to prevent abortions when most pregnant women -- even those who planned their pregnancies -- all have to undergo the same procedure? It's invasive, yes, but slathering some jelly on a woman's belly to see a six-week fetus is something that doesn't happen in real life.

Transvaginal ultrasound is not common to verify a pregnancy.  At about eight weeks, you go to your OB and you pee in a cup.  They test your urine for pregnancy hormones.  Then, unless you have a history of miscarriage or were on fertility treatments, they simply send you home until the end of your first trimester, which is when pre-natal care begins. The idea of a trans-vaginal ultrasound during the first trimester, when your entire body is aching as it adjusts to new hormones?  Horrifying. /36 weeks pregnant//soo ready for it to be over///fark these politicians
 
2013-02-22 10:13:01 AM
Republican "Small Government" ladies and gentlemen.
 
2013-02-22 10:30:11 AM

NobleHam: "I got pregnant vaginally," she said. "Something else could come in my vagina for a medical test that wouldn't be that intrusive to me. So I find that argument a little ridiculous."

Just... Jesus. Once you've been penetrated once, any other penetrations don't matter? Let's all just pile on in there. One penis has been in there, so there is now no number of additional penises which will be considered intrusive.


As long as it's for a medical procedure anyway.  The question is whether she considers insemination to be a medical procedure.
 
hej
2013-02-22 01:30:46 PM
I fail to see how you can force a woman to have an ultrasound before her body just goes ahead and shuts that whole thing down on it's own.
 
2013-02-22 01:39:02 PM

dookdookdook: soaboutthat: I guess it pays to have a governor with national goals next year,

Welp, McDonnell just committed career suicide by proposing a 0.3% sales tax increase to pay for road repair and getting on The Norquist's bad side, so that might be over.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/20/grover-norquist-bob-mcdonne ll _n_2730173.html


i75.photobucket.com

Sorry, I just like this pic.
 
2013-02-22 01:49:52 PM

NobleHam: "I got pregnant vaginally," she said. "Something else could come in my vagina for a medical test that wouldn't be that intrusive to me. So I find that argument a little ridiculous."

Just... Jesus. Once you've been penetrated once, any other penetrations don't matter? Let's all just pile on in there. One penis has been in there, so there is now no number of additional penises which will be considered intrusive.


I DNRTFA but I have to believe that any woman who would say something this stupid is -
Politician
Republican
Christian and married to a Marcus Bachmann clone
 
2013-02-22 05:41:59 PM
I've had two T/V ultrasounds. One for cyst and one because I was bleeding early in my pregnancy (at 7weeks, but the baby is two years old now and in perfect health).At the time they were done it wasn't too painful, although certainly uncomfortable.  Anyway, I have also been sexually assaulted, and having to do one after an assault would be absolutely effing terrible. Rape kit gathering is pretty horrible, but at least that HAS to be done and is beneficial to the victim. An entirely needless T/V ultrasound is just one of the most profoundly stupid, demeaning, and torturous (mentally mostly) things I could think to put a victim through.
 
2013-02-23 12:59:32 AM
The thing is also - there are people like me who should never have children. For example , if I ever got a female pregnant - I would have to warn her that it would be better for everyone that she get an abortion. I am a carrier of some pretty grievous genetic defects. There is a very high chance that my offspring will be some sort of mutant in a bad way, burdensome. I am pretty farked up as it is, knowing exactly what is farky, I would have little choice but to give full disclosure.

/Yes, I should be "fixed"
//And, no... I am very "careful"...
 
2013-02-23 01:29:04 AM

gadian: killershark: gadian: killershark:
What? No. Normally women begin prenatal treatment at six to eight weeks and any average obgyn is going to verify a pregnancy at that point with a transvaginal ultrasound after a positive test result from a urine sample. And in some cases, you will have more than one transvaginal ultrasound to make sure there is a heartbeat and the fetus is developing properly. If you're getting an abortion, a doctor will still need to verify there is a fetus with a transvaginal ultrasound so as not to perform an unnecessary procedure.

Nah.  At least not mine or any experience of any pregnant woman I've ever met.  And, for the record, I just had a kid less than two years ago. Could be regional things though, but I doubt it.  The general consensus I've always heard is don't start pre-natal treatments until after the first trimester because of the huge risk of miscarriage.  No sense in wasting the money or getting too attached.


True. Getting a TVU carries a risk of causing a miscarriage in the first place.
 
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