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(NPR)   Sure, Mississippi is getting lots of heat for only just now repealing slavery, but lots of States haven't ratified existing amendments. For example, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Vermont and Utah never authorized the 16th amendment, so NO TAXES WOO-HOO   (npr.org) divider line 75
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2013-02-21 02:01:59 PM  
FTFA: Still, Rhode Island officials worried that it might interfere with the state's practice of requiring naturalized citizens to own property before they could vote. "There was a big anti-Irish sentiment to Rhode Island's reticence to amending," Conley says.

i.imgur.com

As long as we're only including attractive and successful African-Americans, as well as the Chinamen.

/ah, prairie shiat.
 
2013-02-21 02:03:10 PM  
By the way, that link is to a Youtube section of the movie--so some NSFW language there. Should go without saying around here, but there it is.
 
2013-02-21 02:08:45 PM  
First of all, comparing taxes to allowing someone the freedom to vote is like comparing apples to asteroids.

Second,

"Legislative calendars are crowded, and arguing over settled matters isn't a good use of time," says Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia Center for Politics.

And yet I see so many of these same groups trying to make abortion illegal, christianity the law of the land, making marijuana legal and on and on. What a stupid comment.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-21 02:11:54 PM  
Mississippi wasn't even a state when the 13th was ratified, so what's the point.
 
2013-02-21 02:12:59 PM  

Nadie_AZ: First of all, comparing taxes to allowing someone the freedom to vote is like comparing apples to asteroids.


How about, you know, the entire Bill of Rights?
 
2013-02-21 02:14:07 PM  

vpb: Mississippi wasn't even a state when the 13th was ratified, so what's the point.


It was probably meant as a symbolic gesture in a good way, and of course it backfired because it reminded us all that Mississippi is still so, well, Mississippi.
 
2013-02-21 02:17:06 PM  

Nabb1: vpb: Mississippi wasn't even a state when the 13th was ratified, so what's the point.

It was probably meant as a symbolic gesture in a good way, and of course it backfired because it reminded us all that Mississippi is still so, well, Mississippi.


Visit Alabama; at least we're not Mississippi.
 
2013-02-21 02:32:42 PM  

vpb: Mississippi wasn't even a state when the 13th was ratified, so what's the point.



Mississippi statehood: 1817

Civil War ends: June 1865

13th Amendment adopted: December 1865.
 
2013-02-21 02:45:06 PM  

Shostie: Nadie_AZ: First of all, comparing taxes to allowing someone the freedom to vote is like comparing apples to asteroids.

How about, you know, the entire Bill of Rights?


Yeah, I saw that. Pretty sad.
 
2013-02-21 02:46:12 PM  
i1122.photobucket.com
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS DO NOT WORK LIKE THAT!
 
2013-02-21 02:47:27 PM  
AMENDMENTS MISSISSIPPI HAS STILL YET TO RATIFY:

17th (direct election of Senators)
21st (repeal of Prohibition)
23rd (giving electoral votes to DC)
24th (abolishing the poll tax)
26th (lowering the voting age to 18)
27th (banning Congress from giving itself a pay raise during the current term).
 
2013-02-21 02:50:31 PM  
Congrats, Mississippi. You guys entered the 1870s.

Just a free piece of investment advice: In 59 years, sell everything before September. Trust me on that one.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-21 02:54:38 PM  

give me doughnuts: vpb: Mississippi wasn't even a state when the 13th was ratified, so what's the point.


Mississippi statehood: 1817

Civil War ends: June 1865

13th Amendment adopted: December 1865.


Nope.  Mississippi wasn't re-admited to the Union until 1870 IIRC.
 
2013-02-21 02:58:59 PM  
Amendments typically require ratification from 2/3rds of the states to become law.
If the 2/3rds margin has already been reached, why bother with the expense of holding a vote to further validate what's about to go forward?
 
2013-02-21 02:59:00 PM  
Who cares.
This is stupid.
Find some real news.
 
2013-02-21 03:00:25 PM  

Gosling: 27th (banning Congress from giving itself a pay raise during the current term)


That one actually has a rather interesting history.  It was part of the package of the first Amendments submitted to Congress containing the Bill of Rights, but it took two centuries to get 2/3 of the states to ratify it.  Some state would ratify, then more states would join the Union, and it just stayed out there until it finally made the cut back in the 1990's.
 
2013-02-21 03:00:41 PM  
Rhode Island is either first or last in everything.
 
2013-02-21 03:00:55 PM  
"Ok, we can work on new business that will actually affect the lives of our citizens or we can ratify this already-law-of-the-land amendment in a meaningless display of time-wasting certain to garner a lot of national attention.  All for time-wasting, say 'aye' ".

"AYE!"

"The ayes have it."
 
2013-02-21 03:00:57 PM  
EVERYBODY DOGPILE ON MISSISSIPPI!  WOOT!!
 
2013-02-21 03:01:16 PM  
There's lots of reasons to dislike Mississippi. A goofy symbolic vote with no bearing on actual law isn't one of them.
 
2013-02-21 03:01:48 PM  

Krymson Tyde: Nabb1: vpb: Mississippi wasn't even a state when the 13th was ratified, so what's the point.

It was probably meant as a symbolic gesture in a good way, and of course it backfired because it reminded us all that Mississippi is still so, well, Mississippi.

Visit Alabama; at least we're not Mississippi.


HEY! Wait just a cotton pickin' minute!  That is Virginia's new slogan!  Well, to be fair our new slogan is: Virginia! at lest we are not Mississippi, but give us time!
 
2013-02-21 03:04:40 PM  
This is stupid.

Once 2/3rds of the states ratify an amendment, it's the law, whether another state ratifies it or not, and there's no logical reason why a state should ratify an amendment after that.

Mississippi did not have to ratify the 13th amendment for it to be law, nor did any of the other states who didn't ratify any amendment that was ratified by 2/3rds of the states.  It's a cheap symbolic move with not a whit of any law behind it.
 
2013-02-21 03:06:10 PM  

give me doughnuts: vpb: Mississippi wasn't even a state when the 13th was ratified, so what's the point.


Mississippi statehood: 1817

Civil War ends: June 1865

13th Amendment adopted: December 1865.


Mississippi wasn't readmitted to the Union until February 23, 1870. They had no power to vote on constitutional amendments at the time, and they were basically a Military District of the United States.
 
2013-02-21 03:13:22 PM  

Fear_and_Loathing: Rhode Island is either first or last in everything.


But never first at anything good...

/Rhode Islander
 
2013-02-21 03:16:59 PM  

vpb: give me doughnuts: vpb: Mississippi wasn't even a state when the 13th was ratified, so what's the point.


Mississippi statehood: 1817

Civil War ends: June 1865

13th Amendment adopted: December 1865.

Nope.  Mississippi wasn't re-admited to the Union until 1870 IIRC.



Ratification of the 13th Amendment was one of the three pre-conditions for readmission into the Union, but it was still a state.
 
2013-02-21 03:19:07 PM  
IT'S 2/3 OF CONGRESS, 3/4 OF THE STATES.
/YES I'M SHOUTING.
 
2013-02-21 03:20:26 PM  

give me doughnuts: vpb: give me doughnuts: vpb: Mississippi wasn't even a state when the 13th was ratified, so what's the point.


Mississippi statehood: 1817

Civil War ends: June 1865

13th Amendment adopted: December 1865.

Nope.  Mississippi wasn't re-admited to the Union until 1870 IIRC.


Ratification of the 13th Amendment was one of the three pre-conditions for readmission into the Union, but it was still a state.


So they're only just now part of the Union?
 
2013-02-21 03:21:52 PM  

BronyMedic: give me doughnuts: vpb: Mississippi wasn't even a state when the 13th was ratified, so what's the point.


Mississippi statehood: 1817

Civil War ends: June 1865

13th Amendment adopted: December 1865.

Mississippi wasn't readmitted to the Union until February 23, 1870. They had no power to vote on constitutional amendments at the time, and they were basically a Military District of the United States.


I thought it was neat that for a month in 1861, Mississippi was its own nation.
 
2013-02-21 03:22:06 PM  

Wingchild: Amendments typically require ratification from 2/3rds of the states to become law.
If the 2/3rds margin has already been reached, why bother with the expense of holding a vote to further validate what's about to go forward?


Yeah, this.
 
2013-02-21 03:24:05 PM  

Gosling: AMENDMENTS MISSISSIPPI HAS STILL YET TO RATIFY:

17th (direct election of Senators)
21st (repeal of Prohibition)
23rd (giving electoral votes to DC)
24th (abolishing the poll tax)
26th (lowering the voting age to 18)
27th (banning Congress from giving itself a pay raise during the current term).


So Mississippi still supports prohibition since they did at the time of that vote and they didnt bother to re vote on it after it was a moot point because it already passed, right subby
 
2013-02-21 03:24:06 PM  

Gosling: AMENDMENTS MISSISSIPPI HAS STILL YET TO RATIFY:

17th (direct election of Senators)
21st (repeal of Prohibition)
23rd (giving electoral votes to DC)
24th (abolishing the poll tax)
26th (lowering the voting age to 18)
27th (banning Congress from giving itself a pay raise during the current term).


It has more to do with the fact that the average Mississippian can't count that high than any reluctance to ratify, I suspect. They know a few of the numbers up there but they get confused easily.
 
2013-02-21 03:33:01 PM  
Guys, get the facts straight.

Mississippi legislature voted on, and passed (accepted) the 13th Amendment way back in the before time in the long long ago.

It had never been forwarded to the archivist until this week. That's what all this is about. A piece of paper hadn't been stamped and put on a shelf. That's it. There is no conspiracy here, there is no scandal. A mistake was made, but it wasn't like the entire State Government ignored warnings and requests for more security personnel in Benghazi.


/Mississippian
 
2013-02-21 03:33:05 PM  
Figured this had something to do with removing stuff from the state constitution when I saw the headline, which would be reasonable if there was slavery stuff in there. Then I read it and who cares?
 
2013-02-21 03:34:19 PM  
Surprised the de-taxing/sovereign citizen loonies haven't latched onto this.
 
2013-02-21 03:36:02 PM  

Sid_the_sadist: Guys, get the facts straight.

Mississippi legislature voted on, and passed (accepted) the 13th Amendment way back in the before time in the long long ago.

It had never been forwarded to the archivist until this week. That's what all this is about. A piece of paper hadn't been stamped and put on a shelf. That's it. There is no conspiracy here, there is no scandal. A mistake was made, but it wasn't like the entire State Government ignored warnings and requests for more security personnel in Benghazi.


/Mississippian


It's another chance for people feel smug and bash the woobie of the United States. Don't take it personally.
 
2013-02-21 03:37:10 PM  
Oh, that temporary measure that was instituted to fund a war and was to be repealed after we mopped the floor with the enemy du jour?  That one?  That tax that, despite raking in trillions has left us trillions in debt?  The one the wealthy and corporations don't pay?
 
2013-02-21 03:38:32 PM  
If you want a truly hilarious whacko "X isn't legal because such-and-such wasn't technically a state" argument, check out the detailed explanation of how nobody should have to pay federal income tax because Ohio isn't part of the Union.  It even includes a Birther argument applied to Taft:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1115/is-u-s-income-tax-inva li d-because-ohio-wasnt-legally-a-state-when-the-16th-amendment-was-ratif ied

The stupid, it burns.
 
2013-02-21 03:46:09 PM  

BronyMedic: Sid_the_sadist: Guys, get the facts straight.

Mississippi legislature voted on, and passed (accepted) the 13th Amendment way back in the before time in the long long ago.

It had never been forwarded to the archivist until this week. That's what all this is about. A piece of paper hadn't been stamped and put on a shelf. That's it. There is no conspiracy here, there is no scandal. A mistake was made, but it wasn't like the entire State Government ignored warnings and requests for more security personnel in Benghazi.


/Mississippian

It's another chance for people feel smug and bash the woobie of the United States. Don't take it personally.


Mississippi ain't the woobie. Some people might think of it more as the chew toy.
 
2013-02-21 03:46:36 PM  

JustMatt: Fear_and_Loathing: Rhode Island is either first or last in everything.

But never first at anything good...

/Rhode Islander


Grilled pizza started in RI via Italy.
 
2013-02-21 03:52:37 PM  
Hey, if the Speaker o' the House says it's ratified...
 
2013-02-21 03:59:40 PM  

Nabb1: Gosling: 27th (banning Congress from giving itself a pay raise during the current term)

That one actually has a rather interesting history.  It was part of the package of the first Amendments submitted to Congress containing the Bill of Rights, but it took two centuries to get 2/3 of the states to ratify it.  Some state would ratify, then more states would join the Union, and it just stayed out there until it finally made the cut back in the 1990's.


I thought some historian had decided that enough states HAD ratified it in 1790-whatever, only no one tied a red ribbon around an official copy for entry into the Federal Record or somesuch (I actually think it was a case of some partisan goofball not physically bringing the signed document across the street for nakedly political reasons).

So they re-ratified it in 1992, just to be sure.

bunner: Oh, that temporary measure that was instituted to fund a war and was to be repealed after we mopped the floor with the enemy du jour?  That one?  That tax that, despite raking in trillions has left us trillions in debt?  The one the wealthy and corporations don't pay?


If they'd wanted that, why not write it into the text of the Amendment? It's not like The Constitution charges by the word. So what we're left with, as any Constitutional Originalist/Founding Father Seance-Holder would tell you, is text that totally supports a 98% bracket on income over $1m (if we wanted one).
 
2013-02-21 04:12:35 PM  
Anyone up for a "feel good ratification" of the 18th Amendment?
 
2013-02-21 04:17:17 PM  
Well...

Lots of people like to make generalizations about how stupid and backward the South is.

Thing is, we don't see the world as it is, we see the world as we are.
 
2013-02-21 04:28:33 PM  

Theaetetus: give me doughnuts: vpb: give me doughnuts: vpb: Mississippi wasn't even a state when the 13th was ratified, so what's the point.


Mississippi statehood: 1817

Civil War ends: June 1865

13th Amendment adopted: December 1865.

Nope.  Mississippi wasn't re-admited to the Union until 1870 IIRC.


Ratification of the 13th Amendment was one of the three pre-conditions for readmission into the Union, but it was still a state.

So they're only just now part of the Union?



Damn.

We coulda got rid of them years ago.
 
2013-02-21 04:30:52 PM  

Lucky LaRue: [i1122.photobucket.com image 253x222]
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS DO NOT WORK LIKE THAT!


Thank you.  ^THIS^ people.
 
2013-02-21 04:48:45 PM  

JustMatt: Fear_and_Loathing: Rhode Island is either first or last in everything.

But never first at anything good...

/Rhode Islander


Rhode Island -- It's not the size that matters!
 
2013-02-21 04:50:38 PM  

Raoul Eaton: Anyone up for a "feel good ratification" of the 18th Amendment?


I find I'm partial to the 21st.
 
2013-02-21 05:03:10 PM  
As we say in Oklahoma,

Thank God for Mississippi!
 
gja
2013-02-21 05:17:55 PM  
OK, so don't pay your taxes.

/pro-tip, have good counsel ready to try to keep your keister out of the hoosegow. you will need it.
 
2013-02-21 05:28:45 PM  

bopis: IT'S 2/3 OF CONGRESS, 3/4 OF THE STATES.
/YES I'M SHOUTING.

TY
 
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