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2013-02-21 02:38:52 PM  
Same rule applies to women and anonymous sex with me
 
2013-02-21 02:38:54 PM  

gopher321: Horseshiat. Smoking, even in your early years, not only threatens your health directly, but also amplifies any other medical conditions you may have and makes them worse.


My medical condition back then was excellent health, which must explain why I'm so awesome today.

/quit at 40
//now on wrong side of 50
///smoking ANYTHING is BAD FOR YOU
 
2013-02-21 02:39:33 PM  

Super Chronic: I quit about 12 1/2 years ago, at age 29...


*notes user name*

Dude...we're talking cigarettes here, not pot.

/;^)
 
2013-02-21 02:40:06 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I would like to quit smoking but everyone within arms reach of me would suffer a horrible death.

/stressed


I like to tell people that I smoke for their health.
 
2013-02-21 02:40:41 PM  

sxacho: gopher321: Horseshiat. Smoking, even in your early years, not only threatens your health directly, but also amplifies any other medical conditions you may have and makes them worse.

Since I quit smoking, my psoriasis has gotten a lot worse. And now that it's spread to new areas, I'll always have it there. Thanks, health.


Coal tar is one of the treatments for psoriasis, so there may be something to that.

Of course you may also have a nasty food allergy, like to eggs, for example.
 
2013-02-21 02:41:46 PM  

Genju: sxacho: gopher321: Horseshiat. Smoking, even in your early years, not only threatens your health directly, but also amplifies any other medical conditions you may have and makes them worse.

Since I quit smoking, my psoriasis has gotten a lot worse. And now that it's spread to new areas, I'll always have it there. Thanks, health.

Possibly due to immunosuppressant qualities of smoking? Drinking makes it worse too because of the inflammatory properties of alcohol.


I dunno. I've actually not been drinking nearly as much since I've quit, as I quit cigarettes because I can't afford them.

I don't really blame quitting the cigs, I blame the stress involved in being broke, as well as the cigarette withdrawal stress. But who knows? Psoriasis is one of those things that just sort of "happens" sometimes, to some people, for some reason. And is incurable.
 
2013-02-21 02:42:01 PM  
Think my aunt was in her early 30s when she died from cancer brought on (according to the docs back then) by her smoking habit.  Needless to say, my parents quit almost immediately thereafter.  So, yeah, there is some risk at not stopping prior to 44.  There's a whole lot less risk not starting in the first place.

/ besides, that leaves more money for beer video games strippers investments
 
2013-02-21 02:42:12 PM  

Neruos: Tell that to the 17 year old with lung cancer.


They shouldn't have inhaled all those diesel fumes then.  Diesel fumes are highly carcinogenic.
 
2013-02-21 02:43:11 PM  

The Muthaship: Super Chronic: I still occasionally have dreams where I'm smoking

Do you get pissed at yourself?  I have those dreams, and while I am still dreaming I get mad at myself for smoking.  It's weird.


I don't know if "pissed" is the word.  There's a definite sense of "I'm supposed to have quit, and here I go again."  But it's uncomfortable, yeah.
 
2013-02-21 02:46:41 PM  

Super Chronic: The Muthaship: Super Chronic: I still occasionally have dreams where I'm smoking

Do you get pissed at yourself?  I have those dreams, and while I am still dreaming I get mad at myself for smoking.  It's weird.

I don't know if "pissed" is the word.  There's a definite sense of "I'm supposed to have quit, and here I go again."  But it's uncomfortable, yeah.


You think that's uncomfortable?  You should try dreaming about having sex with a hated ex-wife.  You'll wake up in a cold sweat.
 
2013-02-21 02:54:49 PM  

sxacho: Genju: sxacho: gopher321: Horseshiat. Smoking, even in your early years, not only threatens your health directly, but also amplifies any other medical conditions you may have and makes them worse.

Since I quit smoking, my psoriasis has gotten a lot worse. And now that it's spread to new areas, I'll always have it there. Thanks, health.

Possibly due to immunosuppressant qualities of smoking? Drinking makes it worse too because of the inflammatory properties of alcohol.

I dunno. I've actually not been drinking nearly as much since I've quit, as I quit cigarettes because I can't afford them.

I don't really blame quitting the cigs, I blame the stress involved in being broke, as well as the cigarette withdrawal stress. But who knows? Psoriasis is one of those things that just sort of "happens" sometimes, to some people, for some reason. And is incurable.


I know. I've had it since a kid. It was only on the ankle as a kid. Woke up one morning at 25 and had a big mark on my scalp line on the forehead. Then the whole scalp under my hair. Then one on the stomach. then one on both legs. Then the elbows. Behind the ears....

I took immunosuppressants (Embrel) for 6 months. I was constantly sick with colds, flu, etc. It also halts your body's natural inflammatory response, which means even if I barely nicked myself on the hand not paying attention, the cut would last for weeks without showing much sign of healing. It did however get rid of the forehead and stomach sores. When I started exercising rigorously, one of the leg ones went away. All the rest have remained all 5 years so far...

/the worst part about it for me... the one in under my hair on the scalp. It looks like dandruff :(
 
2013-02-21 02:57:02 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Super Chronic: The Muthaship: Super Chronic: I still occasionally have dreams where I'm smoking

Do you get pissed at yourself?  I have those dreams, and while I am still dreaming I get mad at myself for smoking.  It's weird.

I don't know if "pissed" is the word.  There's a definite sense of "I'm supposed to have quit, and here I go again."  But it's uncomfortable, yeah.

You think that's uncomfortable?  You should try dreaming about having sex with a hated ex-wife.  You'll wake up in a cold sweat.


I'm 50, and I *still* sometimes dream about sex with the GF I had in highschool.

..and, irritatingly enough, occasionally about the ex-wife as well.

/please, won't some hottie think of my dreams?
 
2013-02-21 03:00:00 PM  
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if you quit at any point of your life, you have a better chance of being healthier than if you continue smoking.

I'm not a doctor. I'm sure someone thought my fresh idea came from someone with an MD and decades of clinical research and peer reviewed study.
 
2013-02-21 03:00:47 PM  

stupiddream: Do you really want to live to your second childhood, diapers and all?  I think we should encourage all unhealthy behavior because there are too many of us on theis planet anyway.

/You gotta light?


I agree around 80 is long enough to live for most people.   After that even those who don't smoke are starting to seriously go down hill and yes I know there are exceptions.  Also most people do not save enough money  to live much longer without being in poverty,  which would make ones life pretty miserable.

I'm not saying you should smoke but we need to stop pretending that living for ever is a good thing.    I'm fully planning on living my life until I get to the stage whereby I'm seriously considering cat food for dinner and then bumping myself off.  That will probably be 10 years after my retirement at 80.
 
2013-02-21 03:01:41 PM  

tylerdurden217: I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if you quit at any point of your life, you have a better chance of being healthier than if you continue smoking.

I'm not a doctor. I'm sure someone thought my fresh idea came from someone with an MD and decades of clinical research and peer reviewed study.


IIRC, after one month you've decreased your risk of a heart attack by 50% just by quitting smoking, and improved functional lung capacity greatly.
 
2013-02-21 03:06:28 PM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: I quit cold turkey (and cigarettes) at age 49, mainly because it seemed like it would be really depressing to be still smoking when I was 50. (How's THAT for a rationalization?)

However, I started after college and never went through more than half a pack a day and I kept up an exercise routine.


Same here on most of that.  Last smoke was 27 days ago.  So far, not so bad.  Morning runs no easier though, how soon before I notice a difference?
 
2013-02-21 03:08:44 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: So far, not so bad.  Morning runs no easier though, how soon before I notice a difference?


My breathing actually got worse for probably 60-90 days, then improved greatly.

/morning runs suck for everyone;)
 
2013-02-21 03:13:01 PM  

stupiddream: Do you really want to live to your second childhood, diapers and all?  I think we should encourage all unhealthy behavior because there are too many of us on theis planet anyway.

/You gotta light?


I would agree if you could mainline nicotine. I don't wanna hafta smell your stinky clothes, hair, car, or breath. Unprotected anal sex with multiple partners seems more effective and is definitely less smelly.
 
2013-02-21 03:18:55 PM  
These studies always ring so untrue to me. Live longer than whom, exactly? Dad smoked to 61, roughly 45 years. Died of liver cancer at 80. Mom never touched them, ate well, drank moderately. Died if liver cancer at 72 (something in the water? We had a well. Never did find out).
Anyway, point being, people live long and short lives with very little consistent explanation as to why.
/I smoked my last cigarette at 10:30 am yesterday. On the patch and I'm staying done this time. //Dammit.
 
2013-02-21 03:19:20 PM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: I would agree if you could mainline nicotine. I don't wanna hafta smell your stinky clothes, hair, car, or breath. Unprotected anal sex with multiple partners seems more effective and is definitely less smelly.


Pure nicotine is one of the most toxic substances known to man.

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It's a neurotoxin, which works on the cholinergic receptors of your body, producing what's known as the nicotinic toxidrome.
 
2013-02-21 03:20:11 PM  

Neruos: Tell that to the 17 year old with lung cancer.


Or the athlete who died of a heart attack at 20!  You shouldn't exercise it can cause you to DIE!!! DIE I SAY!
 
2013-02-21 03:22:07 PM  

BronyMedic: Just another Heartland Weirdass: I would agree if you could mainline nicotine. I don't wanna hafta smell your stinky clothes, hair, car, or breath. Unprotected anal sex with multiple partners seems more effective and is definitely less smelly.

Pure nicotine is one of the most toxic substances known to man.



It's a neurotoxin, which works on the cholinergic receptors of your body, producing what's known as the nicotinic toxidrome.


Gimme a bottle of that shiat and a Q-tip; STAT.
 
2013-02-21 03:23:14 PM  
Yeah?

Tell that to my dad.  He died at 41 from smoking the god damned things.  Yeah, I'm still pissed about it; every once in a while I'd like to talk to him.  farking cigarettes.
 
2013-02-21 03:23:30 PM  
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Disagrees.
 
2013-02-21 03:24:19 PM  
Heh, getting an extra kick out of this today:

llabmik.net

// Fark I'm old...
/// Halfway to 90 already :(
//// Where's my smokes? Oh, here they are...
// Slashies come in threes
// Wait, what?
 
2013-02-21 03:24:45 PM  

Hollywood Cole: Disagrees.


Hawt.
 
2013-02-21 03:28:32 PM  
Quit my three pack a day habit at 40,went cold turkey too,and I still miss it when drinking or with a cup of coffee.

Still smoke in my dreams,and its been more than 20 years.
 
2013-02-21 03:31:33 PM  

Klom Dark: Heh, getting an extra kick out of this today:

[llabmik.net image 850x462]

// Fark I'm old...
/// Halfway to 90 already :(
//// Where's my smokes? Oh, here they are...
// Slashies come in threes
// Wait, what?


Haha, I've got at least another decade of "safe smoking" *hack*

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Happy birthday. *Cough*
 
2013-02-21 03:33:09 PM  

Klom Dark: Heh, getting an extra kick out of this today:

[llabmik.net image 850x462]

// Fark I'm old...
/// Halfway to 90 already :(
//// Where's my smokes? Oh, here they are...
// Slashies come in threes
// Wait, what?


Happy Birthday!

And 45? Mid-life time. Go get you a Ferrari and a size two blonde bimbo to go with it!
 
2013-02-21 03:34:48 PM  
Wow! Another 2/21r!

Happy birthday back! :)

// Planning to quit tomorrow night, hoping it goes well.
 
2013-02-21 03:37:12 PM  

BronyMedic: Just another Heartland Weirdass: I would agree if you could mainline nicotine. I don't wanna hafta smell your stinky clothes, hair, car, or breath. Unprotected anal sex with multiple partners seems more effective and is definitely less smelly.

Pure nicotine is one of the most toxic substances known to man.



It's a neurotoxin, which works on the cholinergic receptors of your body, producing what's known as the nicotinic toxidrome.


So?
I want to encourage dangerous and potentially lethal behavior, and it appears that I did just that.
Also,
Botulinum toxin is THE most toxic substance known to man and it can be used in all sorts of medicines that are directly injected into you and even helps fight anal fissures. So fark yeah toxins!
 
2013-02-21 03:38:11 PM  
Carn:
//might start up again once if I hit 80 cuz fark it

Yes, if I don't think of it as quitting, but just waiting... That might be a good mindset.

// Then again, thinking about waiting 35 years until my next smoke? Yeahh, maybe not... :(
 
2013-02-21 03:38:31 PM  

Klom Dark: Planning to quit tomorrow night, hoping it goes well.


 FTA Those who quit by age 54 die just 4 years younger.


Those last few years suck anyway.
 
2013-02-21 03:39:37 PM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: So?
I want to encourage dangerous and potentially lethal behavior, and it appears that I did just that.
Also,
Botulinum toxin is THE most toxic substance known to man and it can be used in all sorts of medicines that are directly injected into you and even helps fight anal fissures. So fark yeah toxins!


Ah, a fellow practical Darwinist! Huzzah!

It's all about dose, brother. All about dose.
 
2013-02-21 03:39:46 PM  
Marcus Aurelius:

You think that's uncomfortable?  You should try dreaming about having sex with a hated ex-wife.  You'll wake up in a cold sweat.

Or ex husband. I absolutely despise waking up from any dream he's in.  Unless it's one in which I get to maim him or something.  That might be alright.  But that's never happened yet.
 
2013-02-21 03:40:37 PM  

The Muthaship: Klom Dark: Planning to quit tomorrow night, hoping it goes well.

 FTA Those who quit by age 54 die just 4 years younger.


Those last few years suck anyway.


That's funny :)
 
2013-02-21 03:41:12 PM  

Hollywood Cole: [bolstablog.files.wordpress.com image 300x300]

Disagrees.


Bunch of obnoxious, self-righteous slugs. Don't take that wrong. I'd quit smoking if I didn't think I'd become one of you. I'm willing to die seven years before my time just so I'll be cool each last farkin' day.

Love me some Bill Hicks.
 
2013-02-21 03:45:14 PM  
I quit 15 years ago. I also stopped drinking coffee, as the two seem to work so well together. Was a biatch of a time; RX gave me patches, but I threw them away as I was trying to get the nicotine OUT of my system. After 1 year, I took up decaf; after 5 years I considered it safe enough to hit the occasional cigar.

/oh, and pot helps
 
2013-02-21 03:47:08 PM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: BronyMedic: Just another Heartland Weirdass: I would agree if you could mainline nicotine. I don't wanna hafta smell your stinky clothes, hair, car, or breath. Unprotected anal sex with multiple partners seems more effective and is definitely less smelly.

Pure nicotine is one of the most toxic substances known to man.

It's a neurotoxin, which works on the cholinergic receptors of your body, producing what's known as the nicotinic toxidrome.

So?
I want to encourage dangerous and potentially lethal behavior, and it appears that I did just that.
Also,
Botulinum toxin is THE most toxic substance known to man and it can be used in all sorts of medicines that are directly injected into you and even helps fight anal fissures. So fark yeah toxins!


Unfortunately nicotine irritates the stomach something fierce when you try to ingest it. Skin absorption (like the patch already does anyway...) or injection would work well though. Just get some of that e-cig flavorless nicotine juice at 3.6% (36 mg nicotine per mL) and shoot it up. The reason why cigarettes are safer than this method, of course, is that it's almost impossible to OD on nicotine from regular cigarettes alone. I think it would take something like 40 cigarettes inside of an hour to even potentially kill a person who has some tolerance built up (i.e. a smoker). However if you soak the cigarettes in water.... oh never mind! Keep below 80 mg!
 
2013-02-21 03:48:54 PM  

sxacho: gopher321: Horseshiat. Smoking, even in your early years, not only threatens your health directly, but also amplifies any other medical conditions you may have and makes them worse.

Since I quit smoking, my psoriasis has gotten a lot worse. And now that it's spread to new areas, I'll always have it there. Thanks, health.


Psoriasis is caused by an overacitve immune system, your body was busy repairing the damage caused by smoking so psoriasis was kind of kept in check. Since you quit smoking the immune system is not busy repairing stuff so it flares up your psoriasis.
 
2013-02-21 03:52:59 PM  

GungFu: [czthomas.files.wordpress.com image 500x335]

Fark you, science. I'm 25 and I'll smoke till I'm done!



Whoa, Wilma Flintstone sure is looking old these days...
 
2013-02-21 03:53:06 PM  
Suuuure.

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2013-02-21 03:56:45 PM  

Super Chronic: The Muthaship: Super Chronic: I still occasionally have dreams where I'm smoking

Do you get pissed at yourself?  I have those dreams, and while I am still dreaming I get mad at myself for smoking.  It's weird.

I don't know if "pissed" is the word.  There's a definite sense of "I'm supposed to have quit, and here I go again."  But it's uncomfortable, yeah.


I get those too. And it's never a choice in the dream. I'm already smoking in that dream when it's starts and I notice and think WTF? Thought I quit!
/almost a year thanks to e-cigs but now I'm a fatass.
 
2013-02-21 03:57:00 PM  
llabmik.net
 
2013-02-21 03:57:09 PM  
Couple extra things to add on to my last post:

They do sell 10% (100 mg / mL) nicotine solutions. But seriously do not try to kill yourself with that shiat. There are much easier ways to go. Nicotine overdose is a similar death to hemlock poisoning which royally sucks. Imagine uncontrolled puking and shiatting while every muscle in your body screams in paralyzing pain simultaneously for 20-30 minutes before cardiac arrest.
 
2013-02-21 04:03:46 PM  

p the boiler: kiwimoogle84: Or.... never start smoking in the first place, so you never have to go through the arduous process of quitting.

Just saying.

tell me about it - I didn't start until my mid 20s and now in my later 30s I want to quit, but it is freaking hard. I am glad I never tried meth


Hey, I just happened to work for an oncology office in my early 20's. The kind of stuff I saw on a regular basis turned me off to smoking AND prolonged sun exposure for the rest of my life. (works for me, tattoos look better on fair skin)

I will tell you though, I was witness to a smoker aged 42 who had been smoking two packs a day since he was 18- and HE was able to wean himself down. He went from two packs to 1.5 packs, to 1 pack, to 6, to 3, and eventually had just one morning cigarette every morning for a week until he gave it up altogether. And he was a stubborn bastard. So if he could do it, you absolutely can.
 
2013-02-21 04:06:03 PM  

dj1s: Yeah?

Tell that to my dad.  He died at 41 from smoking the god damned things.  Yeah, I'm still pissed about it; every once in a while I'd like to talk to him.  farking cigarettes.


I feel your pain. Even though my dad died at 75 I was looking forward to retiring and getting live near and get to know him again. He was a really cool guy who treated us kids right all our lives, and I feel cheated that he was taken from me even then. Farking ciggies.
 
2013-02-21 04:07:36 PM  

addy2: Super Chronic: The Muthaship: Super Chronic: I still occasionally have dreams where I'm smoking

Do you get pissed at yourself?  I have those dreams, and while I am still dreaming I get mad at myself for smoking.  It's weird.

I don't know if "pissed" is the word.  There's a definite sense of "I'm supposed to have quit, and here I go again."  But it's uncomfortable, yeah.

I get those too. And it's never a choice in the dream. I'm already smoking in that dream when it's starts and I notice and think WTF? Thought I quit!
/almost a year thanks to e-cigs but now I'm a fatass.


I was already a fatass when I started E-cigs so I'm good...

/2.5 years for me.
 
2013-02-21 04:07:44 PM  
How else are you supposed to kill the bacteria if you swallow some apple seeds?
 
2013-02-21 04:07:56 PM  

Genju: They do sell 10% (100 mg / mL) nicotine solutions. But seriously do not try to kill yourself with that shiat. There are much easier ways to go. Nicotine overdose is a similar death to hemlock poisoning which royally sucks. Imagine uncontrolled puking and shiatting while every muscle in your body screams in paralyzing pain simultaneously for 20-30 minutes before cardiac arrest.


Well, guess I'll scratch that off my list of termination options (for when I get old and ready to die).
 
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