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2013-02-21 01:17:36 PM  
meh.

"I will veto any effort to get rid of those automatic spending cuts," said Obama from the White House's briefing room, adding "the only way to get rid of those cuts is to get Congress to come together and work on a deal."
 
2013-02-21 01:20:43 PM  
"Sequester"?

You mean the Obamaquester.
 
2013-02-21 01:27:54 PM  
He may have lied about his marathon time.  But damn if he isn't fast when running away from his own positions!
 
2013-02-21 01:37:06 PM  

Diogenes: He may have lied about his marathon time.  But damn if he isn't fast when running away from his own positions!


He isn't nearly as fast as 0bama is.  Difference is 0bama created this:

"I will veto any effort to get rid of those automatic spending cuts," said Obama from the White House's briefing room, adding "the only way to get rid of those cuts is to get Congress to come together and work on a deal."
 
2013-02-21 01:45:17 PM  
tenpoundsofcheese:

"I will veto any effort to get rid of those automatic spending cuts," said Obama from the White House's briefing room, adding "the only way to get rid of those cuts is to get Congress to come together and work on a deal."

So, in other words, he counted on Congress to be sane.

Big mistake when it comes to House Republicans.
 
2013-02-21 01:47:32 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: meh.

"I will veto any effort to get rid of those automatic spending cuts," said Obama from the White House's briefing room, adding "the only way to get rid of those cuts is to get Congress to come together and work on a deal."


How DARE he take such a position scant days before this all goes into effec... wait, what? 2011?
 
2013-02-21 01:48:17 PM  
wow, there's a shocker.
 
2013-02-21 01:51:18 PM  
tenpoundsofcheese: Diogenes: He may have lied about his marathon time.  But damn if he isn't fast when running away from his own positions!

He isn't nearly as fast as 0bama is.  Difference is 0bama created this:

"I will veto any effort, by Congress who added, voted on and approved the cuts,  to get rid of those automatic spending cuts Congress added, voted on and approved," said Obama from the White House's briefing room, adding "the only way to get rid of those cuts is to get Congress to come together and work on a deal, like they should have in the first place. Like adults would do."

FTFY
 
2013-02-21 01:58:10 PM  
Speaking about the looming sequester deadline, Obama said: "My sense is that their basic view is that nothing is important enough to raise taxes on wealthy individuals or corporations, and they would rather see [billions in sequester cuts to social programs]... That's the thing that binds their party together at this point." Link

Boom.
 
2013-02-21 02:07:45 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Speaking about the looming sequester deadline, Obama said: "My sense is that their basic view is that nothing is important enough to raise taxes on wealthy individuals or corporations, and they would rather see [billions in sequester cuts to social programs]... That's the thing that binds their party together at this point." Link

Boom.


0bama said this was about cutting.
He threatened to veto anything that tried to cancel the automatic spending cuts
Now he refuses to make the cuts.
Whines again about taxes.  You can't get to 1.2T with taxes.

Boom-less
 
2013-02-21 02:11:04 PM  
You mean he did vote for sequestration before he voted against it?

The more things stay the same.
 
2013-02-21 02:20:29 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Now he refuses to make the cuts.


He already has.

tenpoundsofcheese: Whines again about taxes.  You can't get to 1.2T with taxes.


Sure you can. We're already $700B of the way there.
 
2013-02-21 02:32:38 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Diogenes: He may have lied about his marathon time.  But damn if he isn't fast when running away from his own positions!

He isn't nearly as fast as 0bama is.  Difference is 0bama created this:

"I will veto any effort to get rid of those automatic spending cuts," said Obama from the White House's briefing room, adding "the only way to get rid of those cuts is to get Congress to come together and work on a deal."


Careful, now, you let an "Obama" slip in there.  Keep that up and you may start looking like less of a complete tool.
 
2013-02-21 02:43:56 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: tenpoundsofcheese: Now he refuses to make the cuts.

He already has.


I missed that.  What cuts has 0bama made?  What percentage of the 1.2T is actually done?
 
2013-02-21 02:52:34 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: What cuts has 0bama made?


Budget Control Act, 2011. The deficit as a % of GDP has shrunk faster than any time since WWII. If Obama was a Republican the only thing you'd be arguing over is how to fit his likeness on Mt. Rushmore.
 
2013-02-21 02:55:40 PM  
i.huffpost.com

More like Broquestration.
 
2013-02-21 02:57:21 PM  
They want the cuts, but not the blame when they hurt everyone.
 
2013-02-21 02:57:42 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Dusk-You-n-Me: Speaking about the looming sequester deadline, Obama said: "My sense is that their basic view is that nothing is important enough to raise taxes on wealthy individuals or corporations, and they would rather see [billions in sequester cuts to social programs]... That's the thing that binds their party together at this point." Link

Boom.

0bama said this was about cutting.
He threatened to veto anything that tried to cancel the automatic spending cuts
Now he refuses to make the cuts.
Whines again about taxes.  You can't get to 1.2T with taxes.

Boom-less


You have no idea what is actually going on here, do you? You don't understand the context, so zerobama bad; good for you. Ignore reality, it's probably healthier for someone like you anyhow.
 
2013-02-21 02:58:09 PM  
I wonder if our resident dairy product's job is to appear more wacky and disingenuous than the GOP, thereby making them appear somewhat reasonable in comparison.
 
2013-02-21 02:59:10 PM  

Alphax: They want the cuts, but not the blame when they hurt everyone.


Well, yes and no.  I have a feeling that most of the GOP doesn't want the defence cuts, but the tea party is too out of control for them to do much about it.
 
2013-02-21 02:59:28 PM  

Alphax: They want the cuts, but not the blame when they hurt everyone.


Should we expect anything less from the GOP.

The funny thing is that there are people defending the fact that the GOP are massive hypocrites.
 
2013-02-21 03:00:45 PM  
 
2013-02-21 03:02:08 PM  
When did ignorance become a political strategy?
 
2013-02-21 03:02:27 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: meh.

"I will veto any effort to get rid of those automatic spending cuts," said Obama from the White House's briefing room, adding "the only way to get rid of those cuts is to get Congress to come together and work on a deal."


I think we all know you're not a fan of Obama.  Old news.  But what are you actually in favor of -- more budget cuts, repealing the sequester, or some other path?
 
2013-02-21 03:02:59 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: meh.

"I will veto any effort to get rid of those automatic spending cuts," said Obama from the White House's briefing room, adding "the only way to get rid of those cuts is to get Congress to come together and work on a deal."


The sequester was a joint "solution" to a manufactured crisis for which the House GOP is entirely to blame.  The fact that they're now trying to shift the responsibility for it over to the White House simply underlines what a weak position the GOP is in right now: if they actually wanted a solution, they would negotiate one.

They'll fold. Give it time.
 
2013-02-21 03:03:31 PM  

Magruda: When did ignorance become a political strategy?


The late70s, early 80s.  It wasn't perfected until 2000 though.
 
2013-02-21 03:03:34 PM  
"I will veto any effort to get rid of those automatic spending cuts, domestic and defense spending. There will be no easy off ramps on this one." Obama Nov 2011

"So these cuts are not smart. They are not fair. They will hurt our economy. They will add hundreds of thousands of Americans to the unemployment rolls. This is not an abstraction -- people will lose their jobs. The unemployment rate might tick up again." Obama Feb 2013

So he was for it until he was against it.

Yet again the GOP gets out maneuvered. It would be entertaining if it wasn't so depressing.
 
2013-02-21 03:05:39 PM  

vernonFL: [i.huffpost.com image 640x468]

More like Broquestration.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-21 03:05:50 PM  

Arkanaut: tenpoundsofcheese: meh.

"I will veto any effort to get rid of those automatic spending cuts," said Obama from the White House's briefing room, adding "the only way to get rid of those cuts is to get Congress to come together and work on a deal."

I think we all know you're not a fan of Obama.  Old news.  But what are you actually in favor of -- more budget cuts, repealing the sequester, or some other path?


The sole thing like a case of velveeta and zealots like him are in favor of is having their preferred party in control.  All other things are secondary to having their team win.  This is why you can easily switch positions on an issue with no lack of credibility.  One side is trying to build a better country and face important issues, the other side is trying to 'win'.  You are using the same field to play two completely different games.
 
2013-02-21 03:06:15 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Dusk-You-n-Me: Speaking about the looming sequester deadline, Obama said: "My sense is that their basic view is that nothing is important enough to raise taxes on wealthy individuals or corporations, and they would rather see [billions in sequester cuts to social programs]... That's the thing that binds their party together at this point." Link

Boom.

0bama said this was about cutting.
He threatened to veto anything that tried to cancel the automatic spending cuts
Now he refuses to make the cuts.
Whines again about taxes.  You can't get to 1.2T with taxes.

Boom-less


Did they give your mom a pregnancy discount at the liquor store?
 
2013-02-21 03:06:18 PM  

Arkanaut: But what are you actually in favor of


a white president
 
2013-02-21 03:06:38 PM  
so fartbama ended the era of big government.

thanks alot fartbama
 
2013-02-21 03:06:46 PM  

vernonFL: "Sequester"?

You mean the Obamaquester.


More like Obamaqueefer, amiright?
 
2013-02-21 03:07:23 PM  

Magruda: When did ignorance become a political strategy?


covers.openlibrary.org
 
2013-02-21 03:07:28 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: "I will veto any effort to get rid of those automatic spending cuts, domestic and defense spending. There will be no easy off ramps on this one." Obama Nov 2011

"So these cuts are not smart. They are not fair. They will hurt our economy. They will add hundreds of thousands of Americans to the unemployment rolls. This is not an abstraction -- people will lose their jobs. The unemployment rate might tick up again." Obama Feb 2013

So he was for it until he was against it.

Yet again the GOP gets out maneuvered. It would be entertaining if it wasn't so depressing.


The biggest mistake Obama made was thinking that the GOP House would actually act like responsible adults and pass a budget instead of acting like a bunch of worthless idiots.
 
2013-02-21 03:07:38 PM  

Mercutio74: Magruda: When did ignorance become a political strategy?

The late70s, early 80s.  It wasn't perfected until 2000 though.


I don't remember reality being up for grabs in the 70s & 80s. Reagan never turned a 180 on his proposals and claimed he never said something that was a part of public record. Hell not even Nixon did something that blatantly dishonest.

Today the culture appears to be a "reality is what we say it is despite contradictary evidence" and the public is just nodding and smiling.
 
2013-02-21 03:08:00 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Dusk-You-n-Me: Speaking about the looming sequester deadline, Obama said: "My sense is that their basic view is that nothing is important enough to raise taxes on wealthy individuals or corporations, and they would rather see [billions in sequester cuts to social programs]... That's the thing that binds their party together at this point." Link

Boom.

0bama said this was about cutting.
He threatened to veto anything that tried to cancel the automatic spending cuts
Now he refuses to make the cuts.
Whines again about taxes.  You can't get to 1.2T with taxes.

Boom-less


Um. No.

www.washingtonpost.com
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/02/06/the-absu rd ity-of-the-gop-position-on-spending-in-one-chart/
 
2013-02-21 03:08:39 PM  
The Sequester was Obama's idea, now not Obama's idea. "Somebody else did that, not me."

What a rat fink.
 
2013-02-21 03:08:47 PM  
Hey a sound bite today will get you a lot farther than a recording from yesterday, at least for today anyway.

I call upon all Republicans who hold a public office to step down & retire from politics forever, best part? forever.
Join a club, get out, see the world, turn off the Fox News, make some new friends, fly a kite, put your feet in the sand of a beautiful beach in San Diego, sip some hot chocolate, READ A NON-FICTION BOOK, anything! just stay the f*ck out of politics & societies governance, because you suck at it.
 
2013-02-21 03:09:23 PM  
I'm in favor of the sequester... it's the only way that we're going to have a real discussion about where our spending priorities should lie as a nation. People denounce "big government" all the time, but then they want a big military, a big presence of food inspectors, a big presence of people to keep fraud from happening, a big FBI presence, etc.. Sadly, the sequester is the only way we're going to get a real discussion over what exactly the role of government should be... should it be a helpful, benevolent entity trying to get food to the hungry and research diseases, should it simply be a defense against foreign invaders, what role should it play in the dynamic between consumers and producers, should it protect either of them more than the other? These debates will all have at least a chance of happening in the fight to re-fund our government, and I look forward to them very much.
 
2013-02-21 03:09:42 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: meh.

"I will veto any effort to get rid of those automatic spending cuts," said Obama from the White House's briefing room, adding "the only way to get rid of those cuts is to get Congress to come together and work on a deal."


So you're saying that Obama is a budget hawk and the GOP are the big spenders?
 
2013-02-21 03:10:01 PM  

Alphax: They want the cuts, but not the blame when they hurt everyone.


That really does capture it, doesn't it?

They wanted cuts.  Here are the cuts.  How can you support a policy, and then run away from that policy when it is about to go into effect? Does that seem like a winning strategy to anyone?

Say March 1 rolls around and the sequester goes through.  You get screams, howls from the public.  What do you think the reaction will be in a year, when the GOP wants more cuts again?
 
2013-02-21 03:10:13 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: "I will veto any effort to get rid of those automatic spending cuts, domestic and defense spending. There will be no easy off ramps on this one." Obama Nov 2011

"So these cuts are not smart. They are not fair. They will hurt our economy. They will add hundreds of thousands of Americans to the unemployment rolls. This is not an abstraction -- people will lose their jobs. The unemployment rate might tick up again." Obama Feb 2013

So he was for it until he was against it.

Yet again the GOP gets out maneuvered. It would be entertaining if it wasn't so depressing.




That's inconsistent to you huh?

Does it hurt your brain to remain so intellectually dishonest? How do you manage to ignore context so completely? Someone should really do a study on the cognitive dissonance it requires to maintain it.
 
2013-02-21 03:10:15 PM  

noneyourbase: tenpoundsofcheese: meh.

"I will veto any effort to get rid of those automatic spending cuts," said Obama from the White House's briefing room, adding "the only way to get rid of those cuts is to get Congress to come together and work on a deal."

The sequester was a joint "solution" to a manufactured crisis for which the House GOP is entirely to blame.  The fact that they're now trying to shift the responsibility for it over to the White House simply underlines what a weak position the GOP is in right now: if they actually wanted a solution, they would negotiate one.

They'll fold. Give it time.


The whole point of the thing was to make the cuts so odious that Congress would have to compromise and come up with a legitimate plan and budget.

The sequester was not supposed to happen. Unfortunately, the morons in the House are, well, teabaggers.

The point of Obama's early statements was that he wouldn't allow them out easily by just eliminating the sequestration and remaining status quo holding debt ceiling hostage, failing to provide budgets and otherwise contributing to the ruination of the economy. Had Congress done their job, they would have an acceptable compromise solution. All the memory-impaired people repeating Obama's comments from the early days of this are not braining very well at best or are, at worst, shills for no good goddamn reason.
 
2013-02-21 03:11:49 PM  

mrshowrules: Magruda: When did ignorance become a political strategy?

[covers.openlibrary.org image 180x284]


If you want to use Reagan as an example it would be like him saying in 1988 he was never in favor of the Star Wars program it was all the Democrat's idea.
 
2013-02-21 03:11:55 PM  

Pick: The Sequester was Obama's idea, now not Obama's idea. "Somebody else did that, not me."

What a rat fink.


He didn't want the sequester to happen. He put it in place to give Congress the incentive to come up with a comprehensive plan to balance the budget.

Instead of doing that the GOP tried to figure out how to keep Defense from getting cut while doing absolutely nothing else!!!
 
2013-02-21 03:13:59 PM  

Magruda: I don't remember reality being up for grabs in the 70s & 80s. Reagan never turned a 180 on his proposals and claimed he never said something that was a part of public record. Hell not even Nixon did something that blatantly dishonest.


It started with subtlety.  Reagan counted on the public not realizing the geo-political effect that the globe could have on the US economy and also managed to convince society that supply side economics might actually work.  Without widespread ignorance, neither of those two victories could have been scored.
 
2013-02-21 03:14:24 PM  

firefly212: I'm in favor of the sequester... it's the only way that we're going to have a real discussion about where our spending priorities should lie as a nation.


Would you let your kids burn down the house to prove that playing with matches is dangerous? All indications are that the sequester would cause another dip in the economy.
 
2013-02-21 03:15:37 PM  

vernonFL: [i.huffpost.com image 640x468]

More like Broquestration.


I can never see that picture without this coming to mind.
 
2013-02-21 03:16:23 PM  

Mercutio74: Without widespread ignorance, neither of those two victories could have been scored.


But it wasn't ignorance on his part. Aside from ketcup is a vegtable i don't remember anything this stupid coming out of his mouth.
 
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