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2013-02-21 02:02:29 PM
you want that stuff back, form and army and invade.  otherwise forget about it.
 
2013-02-21 02:11:50 PM

Weaver95: form and army and invade.


Why not point a nuke at the UK and say "hand it over motherfarker?" India is a nuclear power after all.
 
2013-02-21 02:14:38 PM
The moral of the story: colonialism sucks ass (the bad kind), no matter how hard Dinesh D'Souza tries to polish that turd.
 
2013-02-21 02:15:24 PM

Somacandra: Weaver95: form and army and invade.

Why not point a nuke at the UK and say "hand it over motherfarker?" India is a nuclear power after all.



Because England would just laugh politely, and say whatever their version of "biatch, please" is.
 
2013-02-21 02:15:47 PM
"One of the world's largest diamonds, some Indians - including independence leader Mahatma Gandhi's grandson - have demanded its return to atone for Britain's colonial past. "

So one diamond will atone for Britain's colonial wrongdoings?  No?  Then giving it back is only the first in a line of  "atonement" gestures to be demanded later by India.

I actually agree with the British on this one; nip this stunt of theirs in the bud.
 
2013-02-21 02:17:11 PM

Somacandra: The moral of the story: colonialism sucks ass (the bad kind), no matter how hard Dinesh D'Souza tries to polish that turd.



It was the best thing that ever happened to Africa.


/gets popcorn
 
2013-02-21 02:34:52 PM
"The right answer is for the British Museum and other cultural institutions to do exactly what they do, which is to link up with other institutions around the world to make sure that the things which we have and look after so well are properly shared with people around the world."

I'm OK with this
 
2013-02-21 02:39:50 PM
Reuters, when I click a link about a big ass diamond set into the royal crown, I want to see a picture of that big ass diamond, not David Cameron channeling Omar from The Wire. That said, sorry France, you're not getting the Hope Diamond back either. Should've put some heavier security around the French Blue.
 
2013-02-21 02:43:06 PM
Give them the diamond if India agrees that it will even everything out.
 
2013-02-21 02:47:39 PM

Weaver95: you want that stuff back, form and army and invade.  otherwise forget about it.


I don't know. I'd give even odds for an army of Hindu warriors vs. the Brits of today.
 
2013-02-21 02:52:24 PM
Britain could always troll India by giving them a big ass-diamond.


/XKCD FTW!
 
2013-02-21 03:02:56 PM
"I certainly don't believe in 'returnism', as it were. I don't think that's sensible."

So you don't believe in "returnism" but you believe in stealing. Cool ethics bro!
 
2013-02-21 03:07:51 PM

cretinbob: "The right answer is for the British Museum and other cultural institutions to do exactly what they do, which is to link up with other institutions around the world to make sure that the things which we have and look after so well are properly shared with people around the world."

I'm OK with this


I've seen the Elgin marbles, and I've seen the current state of the original from which they were cast. I'm 100% okay with the British Museum hanging on to a great deal of the world's cultural heritage.
 
2013-02-21 03:08:53 PM
Any word yet on the fate of the Crimson Gem of Cyttorak?
 
2013-02-21 03:12:15 PM
"The diamond had been set in the crown of the current Queen Elizabeth's late mother."

The old broad is dead - what does she care? Give the goddamn thing back!
 
2013-02-21 03:12:51 PM

ITGreen: "One of the world's largest diamonds, some Indians - including independence leader Mahatma Gandhi's grandson - have demanded its return to atone for Britain's colonial past. "

So one diamond will atone for Britain's colonial wrongdoings?  No?  Then giving it back is only the first in a line of  "atonement" gestures to be demanded later by India.

I actually agree with the British on this one; nip this stunt of theirs in the bud.


Is Koh-i-noor the Arkenstone?
 
2013-02-21 03:13:35 PM

SurfaceTension: Weaver95: you want that stuff back, form and army and invade.  otherwise forget about it.

I don't know. I'd give even odds for an army of Hindu warriors vs. the Brits of today.


And I'd give the edge to the Sikh warriors of India vs. the modern Brits, SAS excluded, ofc.
 
2013-02-21 03:14:01 PM
24.media.tumblr.com

It won't come off anyway.
 
2013-02-21 03:15:00 PM

Walker: "I certainly don't believe in 'returnism', as it were. I don't think that's sensible."

So you don't believe in "returnism" but you believe in stealing. Cool ethics bro!


THIS. Even if you're not giving it back, at least try and pretend you understand you stole it. FFS. I can understand why you wouldn't want to return it, politics is a dirty game, but you farked up, admit it and move on.
 
2013-02-21 03:15:24 PM
Ehh, what India needs to do is threaten to have the Anglo-Indian shut down all the curry shops in London.  The Koh-i-Noor will be back in India inside of a week
 
2013-02-21 03:15:58 PM
If you give the Indians their stones back, they'll just start ripping people's still-beating hearts out of their chests over a pool of lava again. It's true. I seen it in a movie once.
 
2013-02-21 03:16:16 PM
Maybe Britain will return it in exchange for getting cricket back.
 
2013-02-21 03:16:22 PM

Somacandra: The moral of the story: colonialism sucks ass (the bad kind), no matter how hard Dinesh D'Souza tries to polish that turd.


It's hard to complain too hard about British colonialism. They tended to leave places in better condition than they found them.

\Now Belgian colonialism...
 
2013-02-21 03:16:26 PM
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

Guys.  I found our next mission.

We're going to break into the Tower Of London, and........steal back the Koh-I-Noor diamond.
 
2013-02-21 03:17:45 PM
They gave back Hong Kong to China. What more do you want from them?
 
2013-02-21 03:18:14 PM

macadamnut: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x323]

It won't come off anyway.


RING POP!
 
2013-02-21 03:18:15 PM
Britain could always say, "We accept this gem, and the curry, in payment for your country not being ruled by men in pajamas, being a literate society, a democracy, giving your educated sons and daughters a place to earn a decent living, and less of a third world shiathole than would otherwise have been the case. You're welcome!"
 
2013-02-21 03:19:02 PM

oldfarthenry: "The diamond had been set in the crown of the current Queen Elizabeth's late mother."

The old broad is dead - what does she care? Give the goddamn thing back!


The article is imprecise.  The kiN is set in the Queen-Consort's crown.  The Queen Mother was simply the last woman to wear it, being the last Queen Consort.  It wasn't her personal jewelry.  Supposedly, the thing is cursed, but only if you are a man.  So, by putting it in the Queen Consort's crown was supposed to insure it would never be worn by a man again.
 
2013-02-21 03:19:03 PM

give me doughnuts: Somacandra: The moral of the story: colonialism sucks ass (the bad kind), no matter how hard Dinesh D'Souza tries to polish that turd.


It was the best thing that ever happened to Africa.


/gets popcorn


For your popcorn: if you consider the immigration of the brownies from India to UK and pretty much taking over the high skilled fields, is UK getting colonized (never thought of the word, hmm) by India now?
 
2013-02-21 03:19:38 PM
Ebba dabba dooba, surley they weel geeve eet back.
Yeah, How about you guys figure out how to use flush toilets, drink clean water, get the cows off the streets, stop stampeding your own people during religious parties, and kick the Muslim psychos out, first, and then we'll talk.
About hiring you back as houseboy.
 
2013-02-21 03:19:45 PM

phalamir: Ehh, what India needs to do is threaten to have the Anglo-Indian shut down all the curry shops in London.  The Koh-i-Noor will be back in India inside of a week


Nobody would notice, what with the Pakistani and Bangladeshi curry houses everywhere.
 
2013-02-21 03:19:50 PM
big ass-diamond?

cdn.theatlanticwire.com


pic is borrowed
 
2013-02-21 03:20:05 PM
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-02-21 03:20:49 PM

The 4chan Psychiatrist: SurfaceTension: Weaver95: you want that stuff back, form and army and invade.  otherwise forget about it.

I don't know. I'd give even odds for an army of Hindu warriors vs. the Brits of today.

And I'd give the edge to the Sikh warriors of India vs. the modern Brits, SAS excluded, ofc.



How are they going to get to England? The Indian Navy? How much air-lift capacity does the Indian Air Force have?
 
2013-02-21 03:20:50 PM
Will getting the stone back bring water to the wells and bring the children back?

They betrayed Shiva.
 
2013-02-21 03:21:09 PM
It falls into the category of things without value to their owner, like most crown jewels.  You can't sell them ever, so they're not really worth anything and cost a fortune to guard.
 
2013-02-21 03:21:46 PM
He's there trying to drum up some cash, if I were the Indians I'd tell him to sell the diamond and get out of our farking country.
 
2013-02-21 03:22:03 PM

This text is now purple: Somacandra: The moral of the story: colonialism sucks ass (the bad kind), no matter how hard Dinesh D'Souza tries to polish that turd.

It's hard to complain too hard about British colonialism. They tended to leave places in better condition than they found them.

\Now Belgian colonialism...


Exactly. Most of the places the Brits colonized would have zero infrastructure if they hadn't been there. I get tired of former colonies, particularly on the African continent, blaming all of their problems on the West.
 
2013-02-21 03:22:57 PM

mayIFark: give me doughnuts: Somacandra: The moral of the story: colonialism sucks ass (the bad kind), no matter how hard Dinesh D'Souza tries to polish that turd.


It was the best thing that ever happened to Africa.


/gets popcorn

For your popcorn: if you consider the immigration of the brownies from India to UK and pretty much taking over the high skilled fields, is UK getting colonized (never thought of the word, hmm) by India now?


What does that have to do with Colonialism in Africa?
 
2013-02-21 03:22:59 PM
Britain rightfully owns it, because the genie granted their wish.

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2013-02-21 03:23:06 PM

This text is now purple: Somacandra: The moral of the story: colonialism sucks ass (the bad kind), no matter how hard Dinesh D'Souza tries to polish that turd.

It's hard to complain too hard about British colonialism. They tended to leave places in better condition than they found them.

\Now Belgian colonialism...


Did they used to get greeted as liberators too?

Or should we just call them missionaries?

/Is that where the missionary position came from?
 
2013-02-21 03:25:28 PM
Kinda off-topic in a way, but I was very disappointed by the Hope diamond. I thought it would be a fist-sized gem, but it's only as big as 3 quarters stacked on each other. farking. Lame.
 
2013-02-21 03:25:29 PM

give me doughnuts: mayIFark: give me doughnuts: Somacandra: The moral of the story: colonialism sucks ass (the bad kind), no matter how hard Dinesh D'Souza tries to polish that turd.


It was the best thing that ever happened to Africa.


/gets popcorn

For your popcorn: if you consider the immigration of the brownies from India to UK and pretty much taking over the high skilled fields, is UK getting colonized (never thought of the word, hmm) by India now?

What does that have to do with Colonialism in Africa?


My bad, I misread it as India.
 
2013-02-21 03:25:43 PM

Somacandra: Weaver95: form and army and invade.

Why not point a nuke at the UK and say "hand it over motherfarker?" India is a nuclear power after all.


According to Wikipedia, the UK has about twice as many nukes to point back.
 
2013-02-21 03:26:16 PM

give me doughnuts: The 4chan Psychiatrist: SurfaceTension: Weaver95: you want that stuff back, form and army and invade.  otherwise forget about it.

I don't know. I'd give even odds for an army of Hindu warriors vs. the Brits of today.

And I'd give the edge to the Sikh warriors of India vs. the modern Brits, SAS excluded, ofc.


How are they going to get to England? The Indian Navy? How much air-lift capacity does the Indian Air Force have?


They can kindly do the needful with their aircraft carrier.
 
2013-02-21 03:26:19 PM
"We stole it fair and square!" said the overwhelming majority of people in Asia, Europe, Africa, Australia, North and South America.
 
2013-02-21 03:27:21 PM

germ78: Kinda off-topic in a way, but I was very disappointed by the Hope diamond. I thought it would be a fist-sized gem, but it's only as big as 3 quarters stacked on each other. farking. Lame.


You must have been thinking of the famed Baseball Diamond.
 
2013-02-21 03:28:03 PM
Ridiculous. Hand it back you dirty Brits.
 
2013-02-21 03:28:25 PM
1.  Sell item to foreigners
2.  Wait 100+ years, then claim it was 'stolen'.
3.  (Attempt to) Profit.
 
2013-02-21 03:29:29 PM

12349876: Somacandra: Weaver95: form and army and invade.

Why not point a nuke at the UK and say "hand it over motherfarker?" India is a nuclear power after all.

According to Wikipedia, the UK has about twice as many nukes to point back.


I can see it now, two massive nations nuking the bejeezus out of each other over a rock in a hat.
 
2013-02-21 03:29:42 PM
theinfosphere.org

Maybe they shouldn't have traded it for their land.

They probably didn't understand the concept of ownership back then
 
2013-02-21 03:31:16 PM
Damn bunch of Indian givers.
 
2013-02-21 03:31:35 PM

Fano: germ78: Kinda off-topic in a way, but I was very disappointed by the Hope diamond. I thought it would be a fist-sized gem, but it's only as big as 3 quarters stacked on each other. farking. Lame.

You must have been thinking of the famed Baseball Diamond.


The Cullinan Diamond was fist-sized.
 
2013-02-21 03:31:48 PM
Indian givers....

/slackers...
 
2013-02-21 03:32:09 PM
*brushes out mutton-chop, grabs pen and parchment, fixes monocle*

"Dear Sirs:

I am vexed -- most considerably vexed! -- at the squawks of discontent emenating from The Raj.   It is disconcerting that the Punjabs are not appreciative of Her Majefty's efforts to rehabilitate them up from their lowly station into something more noble and useful.  If it isn't 'quit stealing our treasures', 'quit filling our bellies full of jackfruit' it is some other mewling of dissatisfaction without a whit of appreciation for what the Empire has accomplished for them.    I strongly encourage the deployment of red-coats to straighten out these ungrateful malcontents.

Sincerely,
Willam J. Starchshirt, Esq."
 
2013-02-21 03:32:34 PM
A bunch of years ago Egypt was sending a guy around to retrieve all of the items that came out of the pyramids on the grounds that since the country was now stable for the long-term the excuse for holding it safely until they got their act together wouldn't fly.

So much for that one....eh?
 
2013-02-21 03:32:41 PM

Weaver95:  form and army


Is that a dance move?
 
2013-02-21 03:32:44 PM
And THIS is why I recommend people visiting London make the British Museum a primary stop.  Forget the London Eye, London Bridge, London Tower, Big Ben etc.  Hit the British Museum and maybe the Tate Modern.

Thousands of years of shameless plundering of other's cultures makes for a pretty awesome museum!
 
2013-02-21 03:34:05 PM
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Her majesty is showing the number of f**ks not given - and wants curry on her chips tonight.
 
2013-02-21 03:34:30 PM
The local Rajah gave that stone to Queen Vicki of his own free will.  With the help of a couple of British armies, of course, but those silly wogs couldn't be expected to do anything for themselves, now could they?
 
2013-02-21 03:34:30 PM

GoGoGadgetLiver: And THIS is why I recommend people visiting London make the British Museum a primary stop.  Forget the London Eye, London Bridge, London Tower, Big Ben etc.  Hit the British Museum and maybe the Tate Modern.

Thousands of years of shameless plundering of other's cultures makes for a pretty awesome museum!


I have photographic evidence to prove ^^ that.  Fantastic museum.
 
2013-02-21 03:35:47 PM

r1niceboy: Britain could always say, "We accept this gem, and the curry, in payment for your country not being ruled by men in pajamas, being a literate society, a democracy, giving your educated sons and daughters a place to earn a decent living, and less of a third world shiathole than would otherwise have been the case. You're welcome!"


You do realize that India fell into shiatholism because the EIC raped it blind, right?  Bengal was a top producer of cotton goods, for example, before the EIC got ahold of it - and got turned into a complete importer of sloth by the EIC taking a flame-thrower to the local economy  One o0f the things that allowed Britain to be the premier commercial empire was because it was yanking stuff out of India for cheap and then selling the largess at top-shelf prices.  Educating the Indians wasn't something done to help the Indians, but because the British needed more clerks than they could reasonably expect to ship over from Dorset.  and the idea was educate the Indians to show them that they were inferior to the British, so the Indians would serve as grateful inferiors to Britain.  It would be like saying Afro-Americans should be glad the Southern gentry taught them Western agricultural practices.  As far as democracy, the British fought tooth and nail to deny India any sort of democratic process.  When Canada was getting Dominion status (and the Americans had had local assemblies while colonies), Britain was actively tightening restrictions in India. At best, it was "you can be selected for a minority of seats in this completely toothless assembly that the Viceroy won't even pretend to listen to".  Number of Indian seats in Parliament?  Zero.  Number of local, democratic assemblies in India with deomcratically elected officials?  Zero. Anything India got from Britain was in spite of, not because of the British.
 
2013-02-21 03:35:55 PM

The 4chan Psychiatrist: And I'd give the edge to the Sikh warriors of India vs. the modern Brits, SAS excluded, ofc.



images3.wikia.nocookie.net

"For short range weapons:
Edge: Sikh Warriors with their curved blades and beards

For special weapons:
Edge: Sikh Warriors for their Turbans of Doom.

For long range weapons:
Edge: British Military with aircraft carriers, Apaches, and cluster bombs"
 
2013-02-21 03:36:39 PM
You can grow diamonds pretty cheap in a lab. They are actually quite worthless. The only way to tell which ones were dug out of the ground by some dying African slave worker is by looking for the imperfections that are hard to fake. The more perfect the diamond, the less value it has.

/people be chumps.
 
2013-02-21 03:38:58 PM

12349876: Somacandra: Weaver95: form and army and invade.

Why not point a nuke at the UK and say "hand it over motherfarker?" India is a nuclear power after all.

According to Wikipedia, the UK has about twice as many nukes to point back.


Plus there is that whole NATO thing India would have to worry about.


Although if the UK did give it back I am sure that India would be polite about it. They would probably say "Thank you, come again!".
 
2013-02-21 03:39:38 PM

MythDragon: Edge: British Military with aircraft carriers, Apaches, and cluster bombs"


ha.  when that show was popping, there was an episode where they gave Apache Warrior the edge over Roman Gladiator (mainly because as I recall, the bow and arrow was superior and more lethal than the gladiator's close-in weapons, but who cares.)

anywyas, there was a thread here and some dude was mega butthurt about that.  he was like, "that show is BULLshiat!  there is NO WAY a roman gladiator would lose to a stone age technology!  no freaking way, period.  I call bullshiat!  Didn't they see Russell Crowe in "Gladiator"?  this is bullshiat!  No freaking way Russell Crowe loses to Tonto.  Go watch "Gladiator", you assholes.  Seriously.  this is bullshiat and I'm boycotting the show FOREVER!"

it was like, 'gay for russell crowe much, Gladiatormitter?"
 
2013-02-21 03:40:05 PM

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: 1.  Sell item to foreigners
2.  Wait 100+ years, then claim it was 'stolen'.
3.  (Attempt to) Profit.


Exactly what I was thinking. Next regime change in Botswana, DR Congo etc, they should claim diamond companies were illegal and claim back millions of engagement rings.
 
2013-02-21 03:40:19 PM

hitlersbrain: You can grow diamonds pretty cheap in a lab. They are actually quite worthless. The only way to tell which ones were dug out of the ground by some dying African slave worker is by looking for the imperfections that are hard to fake. The more perfect the diamond, the less value it has.

/people be chumps.


Diamonds weren't even fashionable until the 1800's.  Given enough synthetic production, they'll become just as worthless once again, eventually.
 
2013-02-21 03:40:34 PM

MythDragon: The 4chan Psychiatrist: And I'd give the edge to the Sikh warriors of India vs. the modern Brits, SAS excluded, ofc.


[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 680x541]

"For short range weapons:
Edge: Sikh Warriors with their curved blades and beards

For special weapons:
Edge: Sikh Warriors for their Turbans of Doom.

For long range weapons:
Edge: British Military with aircraft carriers, Apaches, and cluster bombs"


And now, a simulation where the British Military engages the Sikh Warriors in a hand to hand melee bear off.

Winner: Sikh Warriors
 
2013-02-21 03:40:34 PM

hitlersbrain: You can grow diamonds pretty cheap in a lab. They are actually quite worthless. The only way to tell which ones were dug out of the ground by some dying African slave worker is by looking for the imperfections that are hard to fake. The more perfect the diamond, the less value it has.

/people be chumps.


True enough. If the DeBeers cartel didn't have its boot on the throat of the diamond supply, that rock would be worth less than what Drew gave the copyright trolls in that lawsuit.
 
2013-02-21 03:40:45 PM
mayIFark: /Is that where the missionary position came from?

Yes
 
2013-02-21 03:41:02 PM

Spiralmonkey: phalamir: Ehh, what India needs to do is threaten to have the Anglo-Indian shut down all the curry shops in London.  The Koh-i-Noor will be back in India inside of a week

Nobody would notice, what with the Pakistani and Bangladeshi curry houses everywhere.


Tell the Pakistanis they can have Kashmir, and the Bangladeshis they can have Assam.  Get KiN back, tell them both to suck it long and hard.

Alternately, just contract with Nepal to borrow the Gurkhas for a few weeks (and since the brits have been laying off the little farkers for awhile now, you might even be able to wrangle the ones serving Her Majesty for a better retirement plan).  Throw in the Skihs, and ship them all off to land in Dover.  Battle of Hastings 2: Delhi Boogaloo?
 
2013-02-21 03:42:01 PM

give me doughnuts: How are they going to get to England? The Indian Navy? How much air-lift capacity does the Indian Air Force have?


I don't know about their air force, but they have been launching their own satellites since 1980.
 
2013-02-21 03:42:19 PM
Besides, if the British never took it in the first place, then the Doctor and Rose couldn't have used it to lazor-beam-pew-pew-pew a space werewolf to death.

So that's all right then.

/the manor lord's wife in that episode was freaking hot, too
 
2013-02-21 03:42:57 PM
I've never been to London... is there an entrance fee to go into the museum? Maybe people who had their crap stolen from them should have it waive by showing their passports. Because it's a dick move to steal someone's stuff but its an even more dickish move to charge them money to look at it.
 
2013-02-21 03:42:58 PM

MythDragon: The 4chan Psychiatrist: And I'd give the edge to the Sikh warriors of India vs. the modern Brits, SAS excluded, ofc.


[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 680x541]

"For short range weapons:
Edge: Sikh Warriors with their curved blades and beards

For special weapons:
Edge: Sikh Warriors for their Turbans of Doom.

For long range weapons:
Edge: British Military with aircraft carriers, Apaches, and cluster bombs"


The Brits could just hire the Gurkhas to do their dirty work again.
 
2013-02-21 03:43:48 PM
Britain to Greece:
www.culturewars.org.uk France to Egypt:
www.crystalinks.com
/history is plunder
 
2013-02-21 03:46:24 PM
I hope no Americans comment on this on behalf of India - unless of course you are down with giving the native americans back everything that was taken from them
 
2013-02-21 03:47:45 PM

Fano: ITGreen: "One of the world's largest diamonds, some Indians - including independence leader Mahatma Gandhi's grandson - have demanded its return to atone for Britain's colonial past. "

So one diamond will atone for Britain's colonial wrongdoings?  No?  Then giving it back is only the first in a line of  "atonement" gestures to be demanded later by India.

I actually agree with the British on this one; nip this stunt of theirs in the bud.

Is Koh-i-noor the Arkenstone?


Thorin oakenshield? Is that you?

There's only the slight matter of the dragon.

/ perhaps, you should hire a burglar
 
2013-02-21 03:48:10 PM
Britain might have India's diamond, but Indians and other foreigners are taking over London and soon the rest of England.
 
2013-02-21 03:48:51 PM
Stuff taken before the Indians had a flag don't count.
 
2013-02-21 03:50:24 PM
People have been taking other people's shiat for a LONG time now.  If this was a Toyota Corolla you might get it back.  This is a gem that was presented to the queen of England (who was the state leader of your country at the time, whether you like that or not) and set in a crown.  It is now one of the symbols of state of a nation that ruled the whole of India for more than 100 years.

You can pretend that it rightfully belongs to you now if you really MUST, but you don't have any more claim to it than anyone else India.  Some serf dug the thing out of the farking ground 600 years ago and promptly got bludgeoned to shiat by his lord or mine owner or whatever, and the thing changed hands by invasion and war for a few hundred years till the brits took it and put it in a hat because it was really big.  It hasn't been in your country in almost 200 years, and for 400 before that its ownership was murky due to all the people getting murdered to seize it on a regular basis.

Nobody has clean hands in this, and the best you can do is say, "Well it was from OUR ground 600 years back," which nobody farking cares about except for you because you have a vested interest in people thinking it should be yours.
 
2013-02-21 03:50:26 PM
Yet anything valuable a private citizen happens to have will get taken from them and even charges filed in the name of cultural history.

Give it back, Britain, or let anyone who has culturally significant artifacts keep them free and clear.
 
2013-02-21 03:50:31 PM

hitlersbrain: You can grow diamonds pretty cheap in a lab. They are actually quite worthless. The only way to tell which ones were dug out of the ground by some dying African slave worker is by looking for the imperfections that are hard to fake. The more perfect the diamond, the less value it has.



Joe Rogan mentioned that recently on his podcast.  he was taken to some top secret facility in I think Russia, (he had to leave his iPod / smartphone so it couldn't make a GPS track of where he went) and engineers had perfected the synthetic diamond.  as you said, the synthetics was technically more "pure" (and thus, you'd think 'perfect') than "organic" diamonds, but were bizarrely nowhere near as valuable.  people would rather have the real thing, even with microscopic imperfections, than an artifical object that was technically a "better" product.
 
2013-02-21 03:52:21 PM

germ78: Kinda off-topic in a way, but I was very disappointed by the Hope diamond. I thought it would be a fist-sized gem, but it's only as big as 3 quarters stacked on each other. farking. Lame.


The folks who stole it at one point cut the f*ck out of it.

And the the people who sold this diamond to the brits for an insignificant sum do to unequal bargaining power are very dead.
 
2013-02-21 03:53:19 PM
Rule Britannia!

Anywho, I love what they did to our soap opera format.

I so adore Downton Abbey!
 
2013-02-21 03:53:30 PM
www.chiefhomeofficer.com
 
2013-02-21 03:55:00 PM

kbronsito: I've never been to London... is there an entrance fee to go into the museum? Maybe people who had their crap stolen from them should have it waive by showing their passports. Because it's a dick move to steal someone's stuff but its an even more dickish move to charge them money to look at it.


There is no entrance fee, but there is a large urn just inside the entrance for those who choose to give a recommended donation. It's quite interesting to see as it has money from all around the world inside. I doubt that it is emptied often.

As for returning their treasures, India is free to wait along with Greece and Egypt. The advantage of having built history's greatest empire is the legacy of stolen treasures from all over the planet and building the British Museum which is surely the world's greatest monument to theft on a grand scale. It may not be right, but at least it's all on display inside a genuinely stunning building for the world to see.

Besides, I can't imagine any sort of genuine global attempt to return property and land taken in the past through force and treachery without the lot of us returning to the Old Stone Age. There comes a point in which you really must stop fighting battles in retaliation of injustices committed against your long-dead ancestors against the other side's descendants born years or even centuries after the fact.
 
2013-02-21 03:55:07 PM
To the victors the spoils. If they have to return the diamond, we have to return our country to the brits... then they return it to the natives.

Easier to proceed as we are and learn to lock your shiat up better.


/Vishnu please...
 
2013-02-21 03:56:33 PM
Considering India itself was the crown jewel of the British Empire, I think they've lost enough. The Brits can't be giving all the good trophies back, otherwise the only things in their museums would be dug-up Anglo-Saxon burial boats.

We'd still probably be trying to unlock ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics if they hadn't swiped the Rosetta Stone, for example. These artifacts are better off in a place that hasn't been invaded in 1000 years.
 
2013-02-21 03:56:35 PM
The British Museum is pretty much a gallery of grand theft, but with the state of most of the countries since the end of Colonialism I doubt even 10% of that stuff would have survived today.  Britain should just tell India, we're still holding onto it for you until you grow up and act responsibly enough that we can give it to you.
 
2013-02-21 03:56:50 PM

phalamir: r1niceboy: Britain could always say, "We accept this gem, and the curry, in payment for your country not being ruled by men in pajamas, being a literate society, a democracy, giving your educated sons and daughters a place to earn a decent living, and less of a third world shiathole than would otherwise have been the case. You're welcome!"

You do realize that India fell into shiatholism because the EIC raped it blind, right?  Bengal was a top producer of cotton goods, for example, before the EIC got ahold of it - and got turned into a complete importer of sloth by the EIC taking a flame-thrower to the local economy  One o0f the things that allowed Britain to be the premier commercial empire was because it was yanking stuff out of India for cheap and then selling the largess at top-shelf prices.  Educating the Indians wasn't something done to help the Indians, but because the British needed more clerks than they could reasonably expect to ship over from Dorset.  and the idea was educate the Indians to show them that they were inferior to the British, so the Indians would serve as grateful inferiors to Britain.  It would be like saying Afro-Americans should be glad the Southern gentry taught them Western agricultural practices.  As far as democracy, the British fought tooth and nail to deny India any sort of democratic process.  When Canada was getting Dominion status (and the Americans had had local assemblies while colonies), Britain was actively tightening restrictions in India. At best, it was "you can be selected for a minority of seats in this completely toothless assembly that the Viceroy won't even pretend to listen to".  Number of Indian seats in Parliament?  Zero.  Number of local, democratic assemblies in India with deomcratically elected officials?  Zero. Anything India got from Britain was in spite of, not because of the British.


More than that, Bengal was one of the richest regions on earth before the brits got their mits on it. Now bengladesh could be a synonym for famine and dispare.
 
2013-02-21 03:57:20 PM

p the boiler: I hope no Americans comment on this on behalf of India - unless of course you are down with giving the native americans back everything that was taken from them


Funny, I was just thinking that the Indians have as much chance of getting that diamond as the Mohawks and Carnasee have of getting Manhattan.
 
2013-02-21 03:58:52 PM

It starts with one diamond.


thompsonblogs.org
 
2013-02-21 03:59:15 PM

PsiChick: Walker: "I certainly don't believe in 'returnism', as it were. I don't think that's sensible."

So you don't believe in "returnism" but you believe in stealing. Cool ethics bro!

THIS. Even if you're not giving it back, at least try and pretend you understand you stole it. FFS. I can understand why you wouldn't want to return it, politics is a dirty game, but you farked up, admit it and move on.


Funny thing, HE didn't steal it.  He wasn't even farking alive when it happened.  So no, he really doesn't need to understand that.

This is exactly like the blacks demanding reparations for slavery, in the United States.  fark you.  You weren't a slave, so unless you are going to do forced labor for the next few years, you aren't getting any reparations.  Wellfare I guess isn't a reparation.
 
2013-02-21 03:59:40 PM
I'm all for acknowledging our forebears mistakes and making up where we can, but Sir Harry Paget Flashman, VC, KCB, KCIE, didn't go through all that trouble during the First Sikh War smuggling the Koh-i-Noor out just to have it handed right back.
 
2013-02-21 03:59:41 PM

rickythepenguin: hitlersbrain: You can grow diamonds pretty cheap in a lab. They are actually quite worthless. The only way to tell which ones were dug out of the ground by some dying African slave worker is by looking for the imperfections that are hard to fake. The more perfect the diamond, the less value it has.


Joe Rogan mentioned that recently on his podcast.  he was taken to some top secret facility in I think Russia, (he had to leave his iPod / smartphone so it couldn't make a GPS track of where he went) and engineers had perfected the synthetic diamond.  as you said, the synthetics was technically more "pure" (and thus, you'd think 'perfect') than "organic" diamonds, but were bizarrely nowhere near as valuable.  people would rather have the real thing, even with microscopic imperfections, than an artifical object that was technically a "better" product.


They're not even really a big secret anymore. You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.
 
2013-02-21 04:02:37 PM

Gordon Bennett: As for returning their treasures, India is free to wait along with Greece and Egypt.


Given the state of Greece and Egypt at this point, it may be for the best if Britain keeps them.

You can have them back when you prove to us that you're not going to destroy them in a riot or civil war.
 
2013-02-21 04:04:34 PM

Treygreen13: rickythepenguin: hitlersbrain: You can grow diamonds pretty cheap in a lab. They are actually quite worthless. The only way to tell which ones were dug out of the ground by some dying African slave worker is by looking for the imperfections that are hard to fake. The more perfect the diamond, the less value it has.


Joe Rogan mentioned that recently on his podcast.  he was taken to some top secret facility in I think Russia, (he had to leave his iPod / smartphone so it couldn't make a GPS track of where he went) and engineers had perfected the synthetic diamond.  as you said, the synthetics was technically more "pure" (and thus, you'd think 'perfect') than "organic" diamonds, but were bizarrely nowhere near as valuable.  people would rather have the real thing, even with microscopic imperfections, than an artifical object that was technically a "better" product.

They're not even really a big secret anymore. You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.


That last sentence got a good laugh out of me.
 
2013-02-21 04:06:04 PM

germ78: Kinda off-topic in a way, but I was very disappointed by the Hope diamond. I thought it would be a fist-sized gem, but it's only as big as 3 quarters stacked on each other. farking. Lame.


Originally it was almost fist sized, but each person that owned it had it cut down, till it's at it's current size.
 
2013-02-21 04:06:41 PM

fozziewazzi: Stuff taken before the Indians had a flag don't count.


hollywoodnose.com

It's the rules.
 
2013-02-21 04:06:56 PM
Dear 'merikuh, honestly - we don't want you to return Detroit. Keep it  - PLEASE!

Kisses
Canuckistan
 
2013-02-21 04:07:15 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Gordon Bennett: As for returning their treasures, India is free to wait along with Greece and Egypt.

Given the state of Greece and Egypt at this point, it may be for the best if Britain keeps them.

You can have them back when you prove to us that you're not going to destroy them in a riot or civil war.


Not unless Greece is in a position to pay for the Elgin marbles, which were sold by Greece to Britain.
 
2013-02-21 04:07:32 PM

Treygreen13


They're not even really a big secret anymore. You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.


URL or we'll be forced to call shenanigans.
 
2013-02-21 04:09:23 PM
I certainly don't believe in 'returnism', as it were. I don't think that's sensible.

What a polite way to say "fark you".
 
2013-02-21 04:09:35 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: You can have them back when you prove to us that you're not going to destroy them in a riot or civil war.


or a nice sectarian truck bombing.
 
2013-02-21 04:09:48 PM
Sure, when Morgoth hands over the Silmarils back to Feanor.
 
2013-02-21 04:09:54 PM

Treygreen13: You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.


that's all well and good, but I don't think my wife would much appreciate my girlfriend going Operation Codename:  Chuck Yeager on her Victoria's Secrets.
 
2013-02-21 04:10:09 PM
I'm guessing if you replaced Britain with Nazi Germany and India with Jews, people might have a different take on the subject.
 
2013-02-21 04:10:29 PM

Ivo Shandor: give me doughnuts: How are they going to get to England? The Indian Navy? How much air-lift capacity does the Indian Air Force have?

I don't know about their air force, but they have been launching their own satellites since 1980.



I'm sure that will be very helpful for landing troops on British soil.
 
2013-02-21 04:12:41 PM

give me doughnuts: Ivo Shandor: give me doughnuts: How are they going to get to England? The Indian Navy? How much air-lift capacity does the Indian Air Force have?

I don't know about their air force, but they have been launching their own satellites since 1980.


I'm sure that will be very helpful for landing troops on British soil.


Nope, but it'll make a nice ICBM.

(I'm pretty sure that was the point that went sailing over your head somewhere near stratospheric)
 
2013-02-21 04:12:43 PM

peasants_are_revolting: This text is now purple: Somacandra: The moral of the story: colonialism sucks ass (the bad kind), no matter how hard Dinesh D'Souza tries to polish that turd.

It's hard to complain too hard about British colonialism. They tended to leave places in better condition than they found them.

\Now Belgian colonialism...

Exactly. Most of the places the Brits colonized would have zero infrastructure if they hadn't been there. I get tired of former colonies, particularly on the African continent, blaming all of their problems on the West.


Didn't britain start i's colonization in the 1600's?  When infrastructure was dirt roads?  And largely depended on slave labour?  Such as the original infrastructure of America?  I'm really not an expert, but it seems like britain gave infrastructure that they wouldn't have had like Iraq now has infrastructure like they wouldn't have had.  In fact, wasn't the Caribbean colonies in the 18th century populated 3/4ths by African slaves?
 
2013-02-21 04:14:14 PM

cgraves67: Treygreen13: rickythepenguin: hitlersbrain: You can grow diamonds pretty cheap in a lab. They are actually quite worthless. The only way to tell which ones were dug out of the ground by some dying African slave worker is by looking for the imperfections that are hard to fake. The more perfect the diamond, the less value it has.


Joe Rogan mentioned that recently on his podcast.  he was taken to some top secret facility in I think Russia, (he had to leave his iPod / smartphone so it couldn't make a GPS track of where he went) and engineers had perfected the synthetic diamond.  as you said, the synthetics was technically more "pure" (and thus, you'd think 'perfect') than "organic" diamonds, but were bizarrely nowhere near as valuable.  people would rather have the real thing, even with microscopic imperfections, than an artifical object that was technically a "better" product.

They're not even really a big secret anymore. You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.

That last sentence got a good laugh out of me.


I wouldn't trust rogan about anything outside his area of expertise: drugs, the mma, and ancient aliens. If he says what allows apraissers to differntiate the two are organic are flawed while synthetic are perfect I'd put money on him being at least half wrong.
 
2013-02-21 04:14:46 PM
They should give India a glass dragon instead.

SERIOUSLY THOUGH, as a man of Indian descent, the British were real scumbags to my ancestors right up until they left http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre

A real hero was this dude - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udham_Singh

Just a diamond, can't make anything right. But that scumbag country made heroes of those people for showing the upstart Indians who was boss. If Britain want to pretend they've changed, this is one step.
 
2013-02-21 04:14:49 PM
To the victor go the spoils.
 
2013-02-21 04:14:49 PM

phalamir: r1niceboy: Britain could always say, "We accept this gem, and the curry, in payment for your country not being ruled by men in pajamas, being a literate society, a democracy, giving your educated sons and daughters a place to earn a decent living, and less of a third world shiathole than would otherwise have been the case. You're welcome!"

You do realize that India fell into shiatholism because the EIC raped it blind, right?  Bengal was a top producer of cotton goods, for example, before the EIC got ahold of it - and got turned into a complete importer of sloth by the EIC taking a flame-thrower to the local economy  One o0f the things that allowed Britain to be the premier commercial empire was because it was yanking stuff out of India for cheap and then selling the largess at top-shelf prices.  Educating the Indians wasn't something done to help the Indians, but because the British needed more clerks than they could reasonably expect to ship over from Dorset.  and the idea was educate the Indians to show them that they were inferior to the British, so the Indians would serve as grateful inferiors to Britain.  It would be like saying Afro-Americans should be glad the Southern gentry taught them Western agricultural practices.  As far as democracy, the British fought tooth and nail to deny India any sort of democratic process.  When Canada was getting Dominion status (and the Americans had had local assemblies while colonies), Britain was actively tightening restrictions in India. At best, it was "you can be selected for a minority of seats in this completely toothless assembly that the Viceroy won't even pretend to listen to".  Number of Indian seats in Parliament?  Zero.  Number of local, democratic assemblies in India with deomcratically elected officials?  Zero. Anything India got from Britain was in spite of, not because of the British.


See also: Why Iran hates us, and has every right to hate us, and why it is Britain's fault
 
2013-02-21 04:17:03 PM
Would YOU give back a huge diamond to a nation of people that drinks water out of a river where they dump corpses and oxen sh*t into?
 
2013-02-21 04:17:30 PM
the best precious stone i ever saw belonged to a bald headed happy overweight bartender at Little Joe's. Kenny the bartender was fond of placing a large fake Ruby in his belly button and displaying it to patrons with pride, referring to the decoration as his "sex stone".

/ RIP Kenny, you were one of the good ones
 
2013-02-21 04:19:19 PM

JesusJuice: To the victor go the spoils.


Nope. Modern warfare dictates "If you bombed it - you bought it".
Good luck paying off all that collateral damage in Iraq.
 
2013-02-21 04:22:49 PM

Kahabut: give me doughnuts: Ivo Shandor: give me doughnuts: How are they going to get to England? The Indian Navy? How much air-lift capacity does the Indian Air Force have?

I don't know about their air force, but they have been launching their own satellites since 1980.


I'm sure that will be very helpful for landing troops on British soil.

Nope, but it'll make a nice ICBM.

(I'm pretty sure that was the point that went sailing over your head somewhere near stratospheric)


If I had been commenting on the nukes versus nukes comments, then it may have applied. But since it was about Sikhs versus SAS, then it is just a non sequitur.

Or did that point go over your head?
 
2013-02-21 04:22:53 PM

you are a puppet: SERIOUSLY THOUGH, as a man of Indian descent

...

I'm 1/256 Indian (Cherokee). Sure, it's not much, but I did get $2000 a year for college, and I can get free medical care and medicine if I want to go to the Indian clinic.

/Feather, not Ruby.
 
2013-02-21 04:23:03 PM

rickythepenguin: MythDragon: Edge: British Military with aircraft carriers, Apaches, and cluster bombs"

ha.  when that show was popping, there was an episode where they gave Apache Warrior the edge over Roman Gladiator (mainly because as I recall, the bow and arrow was superior and more lethal than the gladiator's close-in weapons, but who cares.)

anywyas, there was a thread here and some dude was mega butthurt about that.  he was like, "that show is BULLshiat!  there is NO WAY a roman gladiator would lose to a stone age technology!  no freaking way, period.  I call bullshiat!  Didn't they see Russell Crowe in "Gladiator"?  this is bullshiat!  No freaking way Russell Crowe loses to Tonto.  Go watch "Gladiator", you assholes.  Seriously.  this is bullshiat and I'm boycotting the show FOREVER!"

it was like, 'gay for russell crowe much, Gladiatormitter?"


An Indian's arrows would be crap vs a Roman Phalanx formation.

1.bp.blogspot.com

Hold up shields as the arrows bounce off, get in close, and remind the redskins the folly of pissing off whitey.
 
2013-02-21 04:23:22 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: Treygreen13

They're not even really a big secret anymore. You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.


URL or we'll be forced to call shenanigans.


http://www.diamondnexus.com/round-brilliant-cut-classic-series.html

You can get a 4.91 carat synthetic diamond from them for less than 500. If you want to go comically large they offer a 16 carat diamond for $1600. Please don't do that, though. Nobody will believe you've got the scratch for a 16 carat diamond unless people think you've got a cool mil lying around just for rings.
 
2013-02-21 04:24:31 PM

oldfarthenry: Good luck paying off all that collateral damage in Iraq.


But, but Bush the Second promised that Iraq would pay for the war with all that oil money.
 
2013-02-21 04:26:50 PM
They should trade it for something.  leaving it on the crown like that is a bit of an insult.
 
2013-02-21 04:26:54 PM

relcec: I wouldn't trust rogan about anything outside his area of expertise: drugs, the mma, and ancient aliens. If he says what allows apraissers to differntiate the two are organic are flawed while synthetic are perfect I'd put money on him being at least half wrong.


i take everything Joe says with a grain of salt but he's entertaining.  his podcast is AWESOME.


TV's Vinnie: An Indian's arrows would be crap vs a Roman Phalanx formation.


yeah, but they didn't fight that way on the show.  just head to head.  i mean, conversely, 10 apaches with bow and arrow and slings and atlatls and shiat versus one gladiator would equally be a bloodbath.
 
2013-02-21 04:27:21 PM
India is a complete sh*thole, go get anything else of value that's still there out now.
 
2013-02-21 04:27:32 PM

oldfarthenry: JesusJuice: To the victor go the spoils.

Nope. Modern warfare dictates "If you bombed it - you bought it".
Good luck paying off all that collateral damage in Iraq.


The colonial era is "modern" now?  Also, Iraq can suck it.
 
2013-02-21 04:28:54 PM

give me doughnuts: Kahabut: give me doughnuts: Ivo Shandor: give me doughnuts: How are they going to get to England? The Indian Navy? How much air-lift capacity does the Indian Air Force have?

I don't know about their air force, but they have been launching their own satellites since 1980.


I'm sure that will be very helpful for landing troops on British soil.

Nope, but it'll make a nice ICBM.

(I'm pretty sure that was the point that went sailing over your head somewhere near stratospheric)

If I had been commenting on the nukes versus nukes comments, then it may have applied. But since it was about Sikhs versus SAS, then it is just a non sequitur.

Or did that point go over your head?


Don't shoot the messenger.

I was just the first one here with an orbital delivery device to bring the point down to your level.
 
2013-02-21 04:28:54 PM

ITGreen: So one diamond will atone for Britain's colonial wrongdoings?  No?  Then giving it back is only the first in a line of  "atonement" gestures to be demanded later by India.

I actually agree with the British on this one; nip this stunt of theirs in the bud.


Unless Mahatma  Rammadammadingdong looks like this guy, I wouldn't be too worried.

cdn.chud.com
 
2013-02-21 04:29:34 PM

Spiralmonkey: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Gordon Bennett: As for returning their treasures, India is free to wait along with Greece and Egypt.

Given the state of Greece and Egypt at this point, it may be for the best if Britain keeps them.

You can have them back when you prove to us that you're not going to destroy them in a riot or civil war.

Not unless Greece is in a position to pay for the Elgin marbles, which were sold by Greece to Britain.


Not quite. Lord Elgin obtained permission from the Ottoman Empire to excavate the site and chose the broadest possible interpretation of that to steal the lot. He then sold them on to the government.

I assume that we now call them the Elgin Marbles instead of the Parthenon Marbles or Acropolis Marbles as a massive GIRUY to the Greeks.
 
2013-02-21 04:30:37 PM

MBooda: [www.culturewars.org.uk image 850x581] France to Egypt:
[www.crystalinks.com image 700x581]
/history is plunder


I know you will never believe this but London and Paris' Cleopatra's needles were actually gifts from Muhammad Ali.
 
2013-02-21 04:30:54 PM

cgraves67: They're not even really a big secret anymore. You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.

That last sentence got a good laugh out of me.


They're awesome if you go with a reputable company (the lab ones have been graded since ~2007, so if you find one that has theirs graded 

Englebert Slaptyback: Treygreen13

They're not even really a big secret anymore. You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.


URL or we'll be forced to call shenanigans.


http://gemesis.com/

I can't speak to their bands, but I've seen some diamonds come off there and they're very nice.  Also they're based in America so if you have a problem, you at least have some kind of legal resource instead of dealing with a fly by night Russian company.
 
2013-02-21 04:31:07 PM

Treygreen13


If you want to go comically large they offer a 16 carat diamond for $1600. Please don't do that, though. Nobody will believe you've got the scratch for a 16 carat diamond unless people think you've got a cool mil lying around just for rings.


Even if it's a nose ring?? *pouts*

Thanks for the link!
 
2013-02-21 04:32:14 PM
those bottomfeeders can keep that overhyped piece of rock. We are busy making progress. and besides, in 50 years, they will be begging to come to India anyway. But we are elephants, we have a loooong memory
 
2013-02-21 04:33:23 PM
When I was growing up I was coerced into giving $1 each week to the Catholic Church at Sunday Mass. I had no say in this and failure to comply ensured a prompt and vengeful response on Monday morning from the nuns who monitored this activity each week. (Our names and class numbers were  on each envelope)

 
No, having gained free will and an understanding what the Catholic Church stands for, I WANT MY MONEY BACK! I WILL SUE FOR REPERATIONS!
 
2013-02-21 04:33:33 PM

TV's Vinnie: rickythepenguin: MythDragon: Edge: British Military with aircraft carriers, Apaches, and cluster bombs"

ha.  when that show was popping, there was an episode where they gave Apache Warrior the edge over Roman Gladiator (mainly because as I recall, the bow and arrow was superior and more lethal than the gladiator's close-in weapons, but who cares.)

anywyas, there was a thread here and some dude was mega butthurt about that.  he was like, "that show is BULLshiat!  there is NO WAY a roman gladiator would lose to a stone age technology!  no freaking way, period.  I call bullshiat!  Didn't they see Russell Crowe in "Gladiator"?  this is bullshiat!  No freaking way Russell Crowe loses to Tonto.  Go watch "Gladiator", you assholes.  Seriously.  this is bullshiat and I'm boycotting the show FOREVER!"

it was like, 'gay for russell crowe much, Gladiatormitter?"

An Indian's arrows would be crap vs a Roman Phalanx formation.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 600x400]

Hold up shields as the arrows bounce off, get in close, and remind the redskins the folly of pissing off whitey.


Perhaps. However, you're forgetting tha:

#1. Deadliest Warrior is a one on one competition (or at least it was when the Apache won) so there is no Phalanx formation.
#2. The Roman Gladiator, in this case, is equipped with a rather small shield - one about the size and weight expected of a gladiator. Remember, the point of the battle was offense, blood, kills.
#3. The fight occurs (in this scenario) in the woods and at range. Not exactly "home turf" for the Gladiator.
#4. The Gladiator comes to battle with a net. I mean, come on. A net.
 
2013-02-21 04:34:07 PM

andhravodu: those bottomfeeders can keep that overhyped piece of rock. We are busy making progress. and besides, in 50 years, they will be begging to come to India anyway. But we are elephants, we have a loooong memory


I'm having problems connecting my printer. What should I do?
 
2013-02-21 04:35:23 PM

Kahabut: PsiChick: Walker: "I certainly don't believe in 'returnism', as it were. I don't think that's sensible."

So you don't believe in "returnism" but you believe in stealing. Cool ethics bro!

THIS. Even if you're not giving it back, at least try and pretend you understand you stole it. FFS. I can understand why you wouldn't want to return it, politics is a dirty game, but you farked up, admit it and move on.

Funny thing, HE didn't steal it.  He wasn't even farking alive when it happened.  So no, he really doesn't need to understand that.

This is exactly like the blacks demanding reparations for slavery, in the United States.  fark you.  You weren't a slave, so unless you are going to do forced labor for the next few years, you aren't getting any reparations.  Wellfare I guess isn't a reparation.


You are comparing apples and oranges. This is a physical item that was stolen and can be given back. A better comparison would be things the Nazis stole during WW2 from other countries now being in Germany's possessions. The other countries ask for them back and Germany says "F*ck you, we don't believe in returnism".
 
2013-02-21 04:35:32 PM
Admiral Brannigan of the Royal Navy says "no backsies! "
 
2013-02-21 04:36:32 PM
If you go back far enough, everyone's a victim.
 
2013-02-21 04:36:34 PM

WhippingBoy: andhravodu: those bottomfeeders can keep that overhyped piece of rock. We are busy making progress. and besides, in 50 years, they will be begging to come to India anyway. But we are elephants, we have a loooong memory

I'm having problems connecting my printer. What should I do?


Have you tried turning it off and on.

/Delicious irony...
 
2013-02-21 04:38:05 PM

give me doughnuts: Somacandra: The moral of the story: colonialism sucks ass (the bad kind), no matter how hard Dinesh D'Souza tries to polish that turd.


It was the best thing that ever happened to Africa.


/gets popcorn


I agree.
 
2013-02-21 04:38:14 PM
I figure Britain earned the diamond for bringing India civilization- of course it did not completely take but that was not the Britain's fault.

India: Two elderly burned alive accused of witchcraft

Witch Burning and Human Sacrifice in India
 
2013-02-21 04:38:22 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: Treygreen13

They're not even really a big secret anymore. You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.


URL or we'll be forced to call shenanigans.


In about 5 minutes, I found a site that makes synthetic stones.  Many of the synthetics they sell must be really sloppily made, because they retail for like $15.  However, a 1-karat pure carbon diamong goes for roughly $4000.
 
2013-02-21 04:40:02 PM

Walker: Kahabut: PsiChick: Walker: "I certainly don't believe in 'returnism', as it were. I don't think that's sensible."

So you don't believe in "returnism" but you believe in stealing. Cool ethics bro!

THIS. Even if you're not giving it back, at least try and pretend you understand you stole it. FFS. I can understand why you wouldn't want to return it, politics is a dirty game, but you farked up, admit it and move on.

Funny thing, HE didn't steal it.  He wasn't even farking alive when it happened.  So no, he really doesn't need to understand that.

This is exactly like the blacks demanding reparations for slavery, in the United States.  fark you.  You weren't a slave, so unless you are going to do forced labor for the next few years, you aren't getting any reparations.  Wellfare I guess isn't a reparation.

You are comparing apples and oranges. This is a physical item that was stolen and can be given back. A better comparison would be things the Nazis stole during WW2 from other countries now being in Germany's possessions. The other countries ask for them back and Germany says "F*ck you, we don't believe in returnism".


Alright, you make a reasonable point.  I sided with Germany in that argument as well though.  ;)

You can't have it back, we took it fair and square.

Other possible items that are included... the united states (from the british)... the united states (from the indians)... the spanish isles, the greek isles, the... well this list is basically every item/land grab in history. Do we REALLY want to start down that road?
 
2013-02-21 04:41:09 PM
Here is the thing about pricing diamonds.  The things are only worth what someone will pay.  You could argue that they ~100 karat diamond in the Queen's crown could be worth millions.  But in reality, it's sitting in a case in London, and will never be sold to anyone.  Ever.  So, it's effectively worthless.

A couple of days ago, there was a crazy robbery at an airport in Europe (somewhere).  They made off with like $50 million (or something like that), in loose diamonds.  How much are they really worth?  If they can get anyone to by them at all, considering how hot they are, they will sell for pennies compared to their supposed worth.
 
2013-02-21 04:41:51 PM

Kahabut: Walker: Kahabut: PsiChick: Walker: "I certainly don't believe in 'returnism', as it were. I don't think that's sensible."

So you don't believe in "returnism" but you believe in stealing. Cool ethics bro!

THIS. Even if you're not giving it back, at least try and pretend you understand you stole it. FFS. I can understand why you wouldn't want to return it, politics is a dirty game, but you farked up, admit it and move on.

Funny thing, HE didn't steal it.  He wasn't even farking alive when it happened.  So no, he really doesn't need to understand that.

This is exactly like the blacks demanding reparations for slavery, in the United States.  fark you.  You weren't a slave, so unless you are going to do forced labor for the next few years, you aren't getting any reparations.  Wellfare I guess isn't a reparation.

You are comparing apples and oranges. This is a physical item that was stolen and can be given back. A better comparison would be things the Nazis stole during WW2 from other countries now being in Germany's possessions. The other countries ask for them back and Germany says "F*ck you, we don't believe in returnism".

Alright, you make a reasonable point.  I sided with Germany in that argument as well though.  ;)

You can't have it back, we took it fair and square.

Other possible items that are included... the united states (from the british)... the united states (from the indians)... the spanish isles, the greek isles, the... well this list is basically every item/land grab in history. Do we REALLY want to start down that road?


I dunno if you can count The United States as being stolen from "The British". I mean, "The British" stole it from "The British".
 
2013-02-21 04:45:44 PM

Kahabut: Walker: Kahabut: PsiChick: Walker: You are comparing apples and oranges. This is a physical item that was stolen and can be given back. A better comparison would be things the Nazis stole during WW2 from other countries now being in Germany's possessions. The other countries ask for them back and Germany says "F*ck you, we don't believe in returnism".



More salient, Britain didn't get it's ass kicked, overrun, occupied, tried, convicted and punished like Germany did.

To the victor.

I bet the BNP would do a trade- all your 'pakis' back and no more commonwealth privileges for one stone.  In a heart beat.
 
2013-02-21 04:46:58 PM

Treygreen13: Kahabut: Walker: Kahabut: PsiChick: Walker: "I certainly don't believe in 'returnism', as it were. I don't think that's sensible."

So you don't believe in "returnism" but you believe in stealing. Cool ethics bro!

THIS. Even if you're not giving it back, at least try and pretend you understand you stole it. FFS. I can understand why you wouldn't want to return it, politics is a dirty game, but you farked up, admit it and move on.

Funny thing, HE didn't steal it.  He wasn't even farking alive when it happened.  So no, he really doesn't need to understand that.

This is exactly like the blacks demanding reparations for slavery, in the United States.  fark you.  You weren't a slave, so unless you are going to do forced labor for the next few years, you aren't getting any reparations.  Wellfare I guess isn't a reparation.

You are comparing apples and oranges. This is a physical item that was stolen and can be given back. A better comparison would be things the Nazis stole during WW2 from other countries now being in Germany's possessions. The other countries ask for them back and Germany says "F*ck you, we don't believe in returnism".

Alright, you make a reasonable point.  I sided with Germany in that argument as well though.  ;)

You can't have it back, we took it fair and square.

Other possible items that are included... the united states (from the british)... the united states (from the indians)... the spanish isles, the greek isles, the... well this list is basically every item/land grab in history. Do we REALLY want to start down that road?

I dunno if you can count The United States as being stolen from "The British". I mean, "The British" stole it from "The British".


No, probably not, but you get my point I think.
 
2013-02-21 04:47:36 PM
Sorry India. You should have thought of this before you handed it over.
 
2013-02-21 04:49:36 PM

Treygreen13: Englebert Slaptyback: Treygreen13

They're not even really a big secret anymore. You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.


URL or we'll be forced to call shenanigans.

http://www.diamondnexus.com/round-brilliant-cut-classic-series.html

You can get a 4.91 carat synthetic diamond from them for less than 500. If you want to go comically large they offer a 16 carat diamond for $1600. Please don't do that, though. Nobody will believe you've got the scratch for a 16 carat diamond unless people think you've got a cool mil lying around just for rings.


Diamond Nexus, at least last time I looked a them, sells diamond stimulants.  If you look at their dispersion and hardness figures they don't line up with real diamonds.  Maybe they changed their business model, but last I looked they weren't actual lab made diamonds.
 
2013-02-21 04:51:55 PM
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

What's going on in this thread?
 
2013-02-21 04:53:23 PM

durbnpoisn: Here is the thing about pricing diamonds.  The things are only worth what someone will pay.  You could argue that they ~100 karat diamond in the Queen's crown could be worth millions.  But in reality, it's sitting in a case in London, and will never be sold to anyone.  Ever.  So, it's effectively worthless.

A couple of days ago, there was a crazy robbery at an airport in Europe (somewhere).  They made off with like $50 million (or something like that), in loose diamonds.  How much are they really worth?  If they can get anyone to by them at all, considering how hot they are, they will sell for pennies compared to their supposed worth.


I disagree with all that
 
2013-02-21 04:55:22 PM

under a mountain: [encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 240x210]

What's going on in this thread?


That nazi-loving Ghandi is an Indian giver who wants his hunk of carbon back from the pasty, stupid Brits.
 
2013-02-21 04:56:41 PM
152 comments, and not one picture of the damned thing? Fark, I am disappoint.
 
2013-02-21 04:56:41 PM
Perhaps the Brits could send a terse but elegant telegram to them. Something like.... "Peccavi"
 
2013-02-21 04:57:19 PM

under a mountain: [encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 240x210]

What's going on in this thread?


Unless, that's it. Yes?
 
2013-02-21 04:57:59 PM

ha-ha-guy: Treygreen13: Englebert Slaptyback: Treygreen13

They're not even really a big secret anymore. You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.


URL or we'll be forced to call shenanigans.

http://www.diamondnexus.com/round-brilliant-cut-classic-series.html

You can get a 4.91 carat synthetic diamond from them for less than 500. If you want to go comically large they offer a 16 carat diamond for $1600. Please don't do that, though. Nobody will believe you've got the scratch for a 16 carat diamond unless people think you've got a cool mil lying around just for rings.

Diamond Nexus, at least last time I looked a them, sells diamond stimulants.  If you look at their dispersion and hardness figures they don't line up with real diamonds.  Maybe they changed their business model, but last I looked they weren't actual lab made diamonds.


Indistinguishable to the naked eye, though. Yeah, they are simulants. But if you gave one to a girl, put it in a nice setting, and showed her friends they wouldn't bust out the microscopes and start checking to see if the facets are naturally occurring.

I can see how it's not technically a diamond. But if it's indistinguishable to the naked eye and a tiny fraction of the price of an artificially price-inflated rock mined by slave labor, then it's the same to me.

/I have never bought one
//just know they're out there
 
2013-02-21 04:58:15 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

Ta da!
 
2013-02-21 04:58:20 PM
images2.wikia.nocookie.net

I am Ganesh! This angers me! Give it back or all will die!
 
2013-02-21 04:58:30 PM
Another reason why everyone everywhere has fond loving memories of the Brits!!!
 
2013-02-21 04:58:43 PM
maybe now you will fight harder next time.
 
2013-02-21 04:58:47 PM

This text is now purple: Somacandra: The moral of the story: colonialism sucks ass (the bad kind), no matter how hard Dinesh D'Souza tries to polish that turd.

It's hard to complain too hard about British colonialism. They tended to leave places in better condition than they found them.

\Now Belgian colonialism...


+1 and then some
 
2013-02-21 04:58:57 PM

relcec: durbnpoisn: Here is the thing about pricing diamonds.  The things are only worth what someone will pay.  You could argue that they ~100 karat diamond in the Queen's crown could be worth millions.  But in reality, it's sitting in a case in London, and will never be sold to anyone.  Ever.  So, it's effectively worthless.

A couple of days ago, there was a crazy robbery at an airport in Europe (somewhere).  They made off with like $50 million (or something like that), in loose diamonds.  How much are they really worth?  If they can get anyone to by them at all, considering how hot they are, they will sell for pennies compared to their supposed worth.

I disagree with all that


Sorry for being all logical and stuff.
 
2013-02-21 04:59:07 PM

Treygreen13: Perhaps. However, you're forgetting tha:

#1. Deadliest Warrior is a one on one competition (or at least it was when the Apache won) so there is no Phalanx formation.
#2. The Roman Gladiator, in this case, is equipped with a rather small shield - one about the size and weight expected of a gladiator. Remember, the point of the battle was offense, blood, kills.
#3. The fight occurs (in this scenario) in the woods and at range. Not exactly "home turf" for the Gladiator.
#4. The Gladiator comes to battle with a net. I mean, come on. A net.


May as well have made the gladiator naked and only holding a nerf dildo and the Apache swinging a chainsaw. Talk about a rigged fight in the name of Political Correctness.
 
2013-02-21 04:59:23 PM

durbnpoisn: Englebert Slaptyback: Treygreen13

They're not even really a big secret anymore. You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.


URL or we'll be forced to call shenanigans.

In about 5 minutes, I found a site that makes synthetic stones.  Many of the synthetics they sell must be really sloppily made, because they retail for like $15.  However, a 1-karat pure carbon diamong goes for roughly $4000.


What's the point of paying $4000 for a low-quality lab diamond when a low-quality natural diamond goes for the same price? Blue Nile has a 1 carat J/SI2/fair for $3300.


ha-ha-guy: http://www.diamondnexus.com/round-brilliant-cut-classic-series.html

You can get a 4.91 carat synthetic diamond from them for less than 500. If you want to go comically large they offer a 16 carat diamond for $1600. Please don't do that, though. Nobody will believe you've got the scratch for a 16 carat diamond unless people think you've got a cool mil lying around just for rings.

Diamond Nexus, at least last time I looked a them, sells diamond stimulants.  If you look at their dispersion and hardness figures they don't line up with real diamonds.  Maybe they changed their business model, but last I looked they weren't actual lab made diamonds.


Those look like cubic zirconias. CZ have always been cheap. Their "pure carbon" stuff is just as expensive as natural diamonds.
 
2013-02-21 05:00:26 PM
To hell with pointing a nuke at them just bring  a big suitcase with a nuke in it and hide it somewhere in London and then call the PM's bluff;
give them 24hr to return it or "Kaboom"
 
2013-02-21 05:00:46 PM

Treygreen13: #4. The Gladiator comes to battle with a net. I mean, come on. A net.


yeah, but......that was bullshiat!  did they not see Gladiator?  that show is a fraud!  no freaking way apache warrior beats russell crowe!  no way!  no freaking way!  Tyberius Maximus was a warrior, man!  gladiator was awesome!  apache warrior only had a bow and arrow!  that was bullshiat!
 
2013-02-21 05:00:54 PM
Why not offer them a large Cubic zirconia as a gesture of goodwill? Make them honorary guests at the next big fancy hat convention.
 
2013-02-21 05:01:40 PM
You know, they took away all the guns in India just so they could steal away their jewels.

When you look around and wonder where Katy Perry, Kate Upton, and Scarlett Johansson have gone, check up at the big house.

THANKS, OBAMA!
 
2013-02-21 05:01:59 PM

This text is now purple: Somacandra: The moral of the story: colonialism sucks ass (the bad kind), no matter how hard Dinesh D'Souza tries to polish that turd.

It's hard to complain too hard about British colonialism. They tended to leave places in better condition than they found them.

\Now Belgian colonialism...


you are kidding ...right?
 
2013-02-21 05:02:04 PM

Theory Of Null: Why not offer them a large Cubic zirconia as a gesture of goodwill? Make them honorary guests at the next big fancy hat convention.


wrong Indian
 
2013-02-21 05:02:38 PM

rf134a


What's the point of paying $4000 for a low-quality lab diamond when a low-quality natural diamond goes for the same price? Blue Nile has a 1 carat J/SI2/fair for $3300.


J color?? Fair?? One may as well pick up a piece of quartz off the ground.
 
2013-02-21 05:04:49 PM
ITGreen
So one diamond will atone for Britain's colonial wrongdoings?  No?  Then giving it back is only the first in a line of  "atonement" gestures to be demanded later by India.

I actually agree with the British on this one; nip this stunt of theirs in the bud.


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this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this
 this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this
this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this
 
2013-02-21 05:06:16 PM
How do we sleep while our beds are burning?
 
2013-02-21 05:07:32 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: rf134a

What's the point of paying $4000 for a low-quality lab diamond when a low-quality natural diamond goes for the same price? Blue Nile has a 1 carat J/SI2/fair for $3300.


J color?? Fair?? One may as well pick up a piece of quartz off the ground.

shapingperceptions.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-21 05:07:51 PM

HailRobonia: Maybe Britain will return it in exchange for getting cricket back.


img62.imageshack.us
Nicely executed.
 
2013-02-21 05:08:14 PM

ha-ha-guy: Treygreen13: Englebert Slaptyback: Treygreen13

They're not even really a big secret anymore. You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.


URL or we'll be forced to call shenanigans.

http://www.diamondnexus.com/round-brilliant-cut-classic-series.html

You can get a 4.91 carat synthetic diamond from them for less than 500. If you want to go comically large they offer a 16 carat diamond for $1600. Please don't do that, though. Nobody will believe you've got the scratch for a 16 carat diamond unless people think you've got a cool mil lying around just for rings.

Diamond Nexus, at least last time I looked a them, sells diamond stimulants.  If you look at their dispersion and hardness figures they don't line up with real diamonds.  Maybe they changed their business model, but last I looked they weren't actual lab made diamonds.


If you look at their FAQ page, you can see that they are selling a type of hardened CZ. It's really bit of misrepresentation if you ask me. It's not "diamond" at all. In fact, if you read their FAQ, they actually state that little of their stones is Carbon.
 
2013-02-21 05:08:51 PM

TheWhoppah: How do we sleep while our beds are burning?


The sheets are asbestos.
 
2013-02-21 05:09:35 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: Treygreen13

They're not even really a big secret anymore. You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.


URL or we'll be forced to call shenanigans.


This is just one site.  They have a 3ct heart cut, "glacial ice," colored synthetic diamond for $289.
http://www.diamondnexus.com/pure-carbon-man-made-diamonds.html?gclid =C MHftZ20yLUCFZCf4AodU3wA6A
 
2013-02-21 05:11:41 PM

HailRobonia: Maybe Britain will return it in exchange for getting cricket back.


Indeed, I missed that.  Nice.
 
2013-02-21 05:14:11 PM

TV's Vinnie: Treygreen13: Perhaps. However, you're forgetting tha:

#1. Deadliest Warrior is a one on one competition (or at least it was when the Apache won) so there is no Phalanx formation.
#2. The Roman Gladiator, in this case, is equipped with a rather small shield - one about the size and weight expected of a gladiator. Remember, the point of the battle was offense, blood, kills.
#3. The fight occurs (in this scenario) in the woods and at range. Not exactly "home turf" for the Gladiator.
#4. The Gladiator comes to battle with a net. I mean, come on. A net.

May as well have made the gladiator naked and only holding a nerf dildo and the Apache swinging a chainsaw. Talk about a rigged fight in the name of Political Correctness.


It is by no means a fair fight. Some of the choices they make for certain fighters/groups are silly. The most egregiously bad weapon choice was the Somali Pirate getting the "Grappling Hook" as their melee weapon. Of course, that hilariously bad weapon choice didn't change the fact that they won.

Perhaps the worst weapon of all time was the SWAT Team's Taser Shockwave, which was basically a Claymore that shot taser prongs. It, predictably, did not kill anyone.
 
2013-02-21 05:14:18 PM

vudukungfu: Ebba dabba dooba, surley they weel geeve eet back.
Yeah, How about you guys figure out how to use flush toilets, drink clean water, get the cows off the streets, stop stampeding your own people during religious parties, and kick the Muslim psychos out, first, and then we'll talk.
About hiring you back as houseboy.


Most if Europe can't stop people from being crushed during soccer games.
 
2013-02-21 05:16:11 PM

iserlohn: ha-ha-guy: Treygreen13: Englebert Slaptyback: Treygreen13

They're not even really a big secret anymore. You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.


URL or we'll be forced to call shenanigans.

http://www.diamondnexus.com/round-brilliant-cut-classic-series.html

You can get a 4.91 carat synthetic diamond from them for less than 500. If you want to go comically large they offer a 16 carat diamond for $1600. Please don't do that, though. Nobody will believe you've got the scratch for a 16 carat diamond unless people think you've got a cool mil lying around just for rings.

Diamond Nexus, at least last time I looked a them, sells diamond stimulants.  If you look at their dispersion and hardness figures they don't line up with real diamonds.  Maybe they changed their business model, but last I looked they weren't actual lab made diamonds.

If you look at their FAQ page, you can see that they are selling a type of hardened CZ. It's really bit of misrepresentation if you ask me. It's not "diamond" at all. In fact, if you read their FAQ, they actually state that little of their stones is Carbon.


True. Of course, if you never told anyone and never tried to sell it as a diamond, nobody would ever know.

Whether or not it's made in a lab, mined by a slave, or something else entirely really doesn't change the fact that they're virtually indistinguishable and make girls go "ooooh".
 
2013-02-21 05:18:20 PM

Fano: germ78: Kinda off-topic in a way, but I was very disappointed by the Hope diamond. I thought it would be a fist-sized gem, but it's only as big as 3 quarters stacked on each other. farking. Lame.

You must have been thinking of the famed Baseball Diamond.


Wasn't that a Duck Tales episode?
 
2013-02-21 05:19:29 PM

phalamir: r1niceboy: Britain could always say, "We accept this gem, and the curry, in payment for your country not being ruled by men in pajamas, being a literate society, a democracy, giving your educated sons and daughters a place to earn a decent living, and less of a third world shiathole than would otherwise have been the case. You're welcome!"

You do realize that India fell into shiatholism because the EIC raped it blind, right?  Bengal was a top producer of cotton goods, for example, before the EIC got ahold of it - and got turned into a complete importer of sloth by the EIC taking a flame-thrower to the local economy  One o0f the things that allowed Britain to be the premier commercial empire was because it was yanking stuff out of India for cheap and then selling the largess at top-shelf prices.  Educating the Indians wasn't something done to help the Indians, but because the British needed more clerks than they could reasonably expect to ship over from Dorset.  and the idea was educate the Indians to show them that they were inferior to the British, so the Indians would serve as grateful inferiors to Britain.  It would be like saying Afro-Americans should be glad the Southern gentry taught them Western agricultural practices.  As far as democracy, the British fought tooth and nail to deny India any sort of democratic process.  When Canada was getting Dominion status (and the Americans had had local assemblies while colonies), Britain was actively tightening restrictions in India. At best, it was "you can be selected for a minority of seats in this completely toothless assembly that the Viceroy won't even pretend to listen to".  Number of Indian seats in Parliament?  Zero.  Number of local, democratic assemblies in India with deomcratically elected officials?  Zero. Anything India got from Britain was in spite of, not because of the British.


Sounds like the British Empire was doing it exaclty RIGHT.
 
2013-02-21 05:19:29 PM

phalamir: oldfarthenry: "The diamond had been set in the crown of the current Queen Elizabeth's late mother."

The old broad is dead - what does she care? Give the goddamn thing back!

The article is imprecise.  The kiN is set in the Queen-Consort's crown.  The Queen Mother was simply the last woman to wear it, being the last Queen Consort.  It wasn't her personal jewelry.  Supposedly, the thing is cursed, but only if you are a man.  So, by putting it in the Queen Consort's crown was supposed to insure it would never be worn by a man again.


Additionally, the diamond was a gift from an Indian Governor of some sort - so you know - they are being "Indian Givers" here.
 
2013-02-21 05:20:21 PM

oldfarthenry: JesusJuice: To the victor go the spoils.

Nope. Modern warfare dictates "If you bombed it - you bought it".
Good luck paying off all that collateral damage in Iraq.


i805.photobucket.com

That country was already messed up before we got there!
 
2013-02-21 05:22:54 PM
If they keep biatching about it and finally get too annoying, return it in the form of billions of little chips.
 
2013-02-21 05:23:04 PM

NightOwl2255: you are a puppet: SERIOUSLY THOUGH, as a man of Indian descent...

I'm 1/256 Indian (Cherokee). Sure, it's not much, but I did get $2000 a year for college, and I can get free medical care and medicine if I want to go to the Indian clinic.

/Feather, not Ruby.


Do you know why Indian women have a red dot on their forehead?  So when they get married their husband can scratch it off to see if he won a 7-11.

/I keed!
 
2013-02-21 05:27:58 PM

Kahabut: PsiChick: Walker: "I certainly don't believe in 'returnism', as it were. I don't think that's sensible."

So you don't believe in "returnism" but you believe in stealing. Cool ethics bro!

THIS. Even if you're not giving it back, at least try and pretend you understand you stole it. FFS. I can understand why you wouldn't want to return it, politics is a dirty game, but you farked up, admit it and move on.

Funny thing, HE didn't steal it.  He wasn't even farking alive when it happened.  So no, he really doesn't need to understand that.

This is exactly like the blacks demanding reparations for slavery, in the United States.  fark you.  You weren't a slave, so unless you are going to do forced labor for the next few years, you aren't getting any reparations.  Wellfare I guess isn't a reparation.


You ever represented a company before? Did you personally believe the Ecto-Cooler you were selling cured cancer? Nope, but that company sure did. So you opened your mouth and said Ecto-Cooler cured cancer. And thus, when the lawsuit hit,  you weren't sued as a person, the  company was sued for making false statements.

That's how spokespeople work. He did not personally steal it, or he'd be in farking jail. But the country he's representing did.
 
2013-02-21 05:29:04 PM

PsiChick: Kahabut: PsiChick: Walker: "I certainly don't believe in 'returnism', as it were. I don't think that's sensible."

So you don't believe in "returnism" but you believe in stealing. Cool ethics bro!

THIS. Even if you're not giving it back, at least try and pretend you understand you stole it. FFS. I can understand why you wouldn't want to return it, politics is a dirty game, but you farked up, admit it and move on.

Funny thing, HE didn't steal it.  He wasn't even farking alive when it happened.  So no, he really doesn't need to understand that.

This is exactly like the blacks demanding reparations for slavery, in the United States.  fark you.  You weren't a slave, so unless you are going to do forced labor for the next few years, you aren't getting any reparations.  Wellfare I guess isn't a reparation.

You ever represented a company before? Did you personally believe the Ecto-Cooler you were selling cured cancer? Nope, but that company sure did. So you opened your mouth and said Ecto-Cooler cured cancer. And thus, when the lawsuit hit,  you weren't sued as a person, the  company was sued for making false statements.

That's how spokespeople work. He did not personally steal it, or he'd be in farking jail. But the country he's representing did.


Wait... Ecto-Cooler doesn't cure cancer?!
 
2013-02-21 05:29:59 PM

kimwim: 152 comments, and not one picture of the damned thing? Fark, I am disappoint.


Well I just bought it, so here's a pic
www.stargrocery.com.hk
Only 15 bucks and the store had another 5 of them. What's the big deal?
 
2013-02-21 05:30:15 PM

unlikely: cretinbob: "The right answer is for the British Museum and other cultural institutions to do exactly what they do, which is to link up with other institutions around the world to make sure that the things which we have and look after so well are properly shared with people around the world."

I'm OK with this

I've seen the Elgin marbles, and I've seen the current state of the original from which they were cast. I'm 100% okay with the British Museum hanging on to a great deal of the world's cultural heritage.


Yeah cuz diamonds degrade in the elements so rapidly.
 
2013-02-21 05:32:19 PM
I stole some money from the bank and they wanted it back, so I told them I didn't believe in "returnism" and that giving back the money would not be the right approach. It isn't sensible.
 
2013-02-21 05:32:55 PM

HailRobonia: Maybe Britain will return it in exchange for getting cricket back.


Is that anything like tennis elbow? "Right-ho, my fine foreign chap, but I shall only give you this fabulously valuable gemstone if you give me a painful physical malady in return."
 
2013-02-21 05:46:59 PM

johnnyq: I'm all for acknowledging our forebears mistakes and making up where we can, but Sir Harry Paget Flashman, VC, KCB, KCIE, didn't go through all that trouble during the First Sikh War smuggling the Koh-i-Noor out just to have it handed right back.


Flashman in less than 100 posts.  Not all bad.
 
2013-02-21 05:47:14 PM

rickythepenguin: Treygreen13: #4. The Gladiator comes to battle with a net. I mean, come on. A net.

yeah, but......that was bullshiat!  did they not see Gladiator?  that show is a fraud!  no freaking way apache warrior beats russell crowe!  no way!  no freaking way!  Tyberius Maximus was a warrior, man!  gladiator was awesome!  apache warrior only had a bow and arrow!  that was bullshiat!


was your friend ralph cifaretto?
 
2013-02-21 05:47:33 PM
Serve them right if the Brits, given its ownership history (mostly Punjab, with late ownership by Sikh & Moghul Empires), "gave it back" to Pakistan...
 
2013-02-21 05:48:25 PM
Sorry, we need it for strategic anti-werewolf purposes.

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2013-02-21 05:49:06 PM

HelloNeuman: When I was growing up I was coerced into giving $1 each week to the Catholic Church at Sunday Mass. I had no say in this and failure to comply ensured a prompt and vengeful response on Monday morning from the nuns who monitored this activity each week. (Our names and class numbers were  on each envelope)

 
No, having gained free will and an understanding what the Catholic Church stands for, I WANT MY MONEY BACK! I WILL SUE FOR REPERATIONS!


Quit whining, it was only a dollar and at least they didn't rape you, torture false confessions out of you and your family and then take all your stuff.
why is nobody demanding the return of treasures from the Vatican?

PsiChick: Kahabut: PsiChick: Walker: "I certainly don't believe in 'returnism', as it were. I don't think that's sensible."

So you don't believe in "returnism" but you believe in stealing. Cool ethics bro!

THIS. Even if you're not giving it back, at least try and pretend you understand you stole it. FFS. I can understand why you wouldn't want to return it, politics is a dirty game, but you farked up, admit it and move on.

Funny thing, HE didn't steal it.  He wasn't even farking alive when it happened.  So no, he really doesn't need to understand that.

This is exactly like the blacks demanding reparations for slavery, in the United States.  fark you.  You weren't a slave, so unless you are going to do forced labor for the next few years, you aren't getting any reparations.  Wellfare I guess isn't a reparation.

You ever represented a company before? Did you personally believe the Ecto-Cooler you were selling cured cancer? Nope, but that company sure did. So you opened your mouth and said Ecto-Cooler cured cancer. And thus, when the lawsuit hit,  you weren't sued as a person, the  company was sued for making false statements.

That's how spokespeople work. He did not personally steal it, or he'd be in farking jail. But the country he's representing did.


i understand his position but he's telling them to f*ck off and expecting to foster good relations. Kinda silly.
 
2013-02-21 05:54:43 PM
maybe india should hire someone who specializes in recovering valuable treasures:

http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6789072/dora-the-explorer-movie-tr ai ler-with-ariel-winter
 
2013-02-21 06:01:17 PM

Treygreen13: Englebert Slaptyback: Treygreen13

They're not even really a big secret anymore. You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.


URL or we'll be forced to call shenanigans.

http://www.diamondnexus.com/round-brilliant-cut-classic-series.html

You can get a 4.91 carat synthetic diamond from them for less than 500. If you want to go comically large they offer a 16 carat diamond for $1600. Please don't do that, though. Nobody will believe you've got the scratch for a 16 carat diamond unless people think you've got a cool mil lying around just for rings.


Yeah, are we sure they're dealing in octahedral carbon diamond? The language used in their vid has more weasels than a Yorkshireman's pants. Gemesis comes out and says lab grown diamonds, Diamond Nexus talks about "the only difference is the chemistry" in their video and who knows what that means. Silicon carbide was mistaken for synthetic diamond 150 years ago and can be grown in crystals large enough to make armor.

Somacandra: Weaver95: form and army and invade.

Why not point a nuke at the UK and say "hand it over motherfarker?" India is a nuclear power after all.


cdn.ebaumsworld.com
 
2013-02-21 06:01:24 PM

johnnyq: I'm all for acknowledging our forebears mistakes and making up where we can, but Sir Harry Paget Flashman, VC, KCB, KCIE, didn't go through all that trouble during the First Sikh War smuggling the Koh-i-Noor out just to have it handed right back.


Catch!
 
2013-02-21 06:01:29 PM

Treygreen13: 12349876: Somacandra: Weaver95: form and army and invade.

Why not point a nuke at the UK and say "hand it over motherfarker?" India is a nuclear power after all.

According to Wikipedia, the UK has about twice as many nukes to point back.

I can see it now, two massive nations nuking the bejeezus out of each other over a rock in a hat.


Isn't that the plot of Team Fortress 2?
 
2013-02-21 06:03:30 PM

ITGreen: "One of the world's largest diamonds, some Indians - including independence leader Mahatma Gandhi's grandson - have demanded its return to atone for Britain's colonial past. "

So one diamond will atone for Britain's colonial wrongdoings?  No?  Then giving it back is only the first in a line of  "atonement" gestures to be demanded later by India.

I actually agree with the British on this one; nip this stunt of theirs in the bud.


India is poorer than North Korea. They shouldn't talk about atonement when they have hundreds of millions living in extreme poverty.

Fix your damn country assholes.
 
2013-02-21 06:05:03 PM

wildcardjack: Yeah, are we sure they're dealing in octahedral carbon diamond? The language used in their vid has more weasels than a Yorkshireman's pants. Gemesis comes out and says lab grown diamonds, Diamond Nexus talks about "the only difference is the chemistry" in their video and who knows what that means. Silicon carbide was mistaken for synthetic diamond 150 years ago and can be grown in crystals large enough to make armor.


I have no idea. But put 4 carats worth of whatever it is in a setting, and put it in a little black box. Taa-daa.
 
2013-02-21 06:08:12 PM

wood0366: Treygreen13: 12349876: Somacandra: Weaver95: form and army and invade.

Why not point a nuke at the UK and say "hand it over motherfarker?" India is a nuclear power after all.

According to Wikipedia, the UK has about twice as many nukes to point back.

I can see it now, two massive nations nuking the bejeezus out of each other over a rock in a hat.

Isn't that the plot of Team Fortress 2?


I didn't even know Team Fortress 2 *had* a plot. I assumed they were just fighting over the land.

Looking it up, it appears they're fighting over the land and something called "miracle gravel". What, exactly, is the "intelligence" for then?
 
2013-02-21 06:08:58 PM
Sometimes the stealing protects the item, especially if the area of origin is in a war zone, politically unstable, or extremely impoverished.  If your people are digging up your archaeology and selling it though, you can't really blame the outsiders.
 
2013-02-21 06:09:39 PM
LOL, Palestine wants it's land back too!
 
2013-02-21 06:09:43 PM
Okay, here's a bill for it.
 
2013-02-21 06:10:15 PM
And why we, as a people, put such value on pressurized carbon is beyond me. Why not just pick a coconut? Or a found beetle carapace? It's all in the value of what we say its worth. To me, diamonds are a way of saying "im giving you all my cash for a useless rock that my fiancée wants, so i keep getting bj's, so here..here is all my cash for a hunk of stupid carbon." Why not just give her a CZ or something that you won't have to pay your next 22 paychecks for? fark diamonds, they have no value to me, nor does gold, or any of that shiat. Just because greedy people say it does, doesn't make it so.
 
2013-02-21 06:15:13 PM
Britain should troll two countries with one stone/diamond and ship it to the Falklands.
 
2013-02-21 06:15:28 PM
Ok, you can have the diamond back. And Briaian will have back the infrastructure, the Indian cities it founded, the roads and railways, the courts, schools and universities, the English Language, the civil service and army, the democratic institutions it left in place etc etc etc.
 
2013-02-21 06:15:31 PM

give me doughnuts: Somacandra: Weaver95: form and army and invade.

Why not point a nuke at the UK and say "hand it over motherfarker?" India is a nuclear power after all.


Because England would just laugh politely, and say whatever their version of "biatch, please" is.


I think it's "I say old boy don't you know"
 
2013-02-21 06:16:10 PM

MythDragon: Sikh


Have you seen the Sikh warriors? They have curved swords! Curved. Swords.
 
2013-02-21 06:17:33 PM
It's time for an old fashioned throw down.
 
2013-02-21 06:24:49 PM
The whole theft/return idea is ridiculous on a massive scale. Almost everything that has a history was essentially 'stolen' by this definition. Is India/Egypt/Greece  planning on a complete audit of their entire national possessions to establish original ownership and whether they were legally transferred and then going to return them? No because that would be STUPID.

Half of their own countries only belong to them through conquest and subjugation. Why is there something special about the european conquests of the 16-19 centuries that makes that stuff 'stolen'?
 
2013-02-21 06:24:49 PM

ChildOfBhaal: johnnyq: I'm all for acknowledging our forebears mistakes and making up where we can, but Sir Harry Paget Flashman, VC, KCB, KCIE, didn't go through all that trouble during the First Sikh War smuggling the Koh-i-Noor out just to have it handed right back.

Flashman in less than 100 posts.  Not all bad.


Well somebody had to acknowledge his role in all this.
 
2013-02-21 06:25:54 PM

Gordon Bennett: kbronsito: I've never been to London... is there an entrance fee to go into the museum? Maybe people who had their crap stolen from them should have it waive by showing their passports. Because it's a dick move to steal someone's stuff but its an even more dickish move to charge them money to look at it.

There is no entrance fee, but there is a large urn just inside the entrance for those who choose to give a recommended donation. It's quite interesting to see as it has money from all around the world inside. I doubt that it is emptied often.

As for returning their treasures, India is free to wait along with Greece and Egypt. The advantage of having built history's greatest empire is the legacy of stolen treasures from all over the planet and building the British Museum which is surely the world's greatest monument to theft on a grand scale. It may not be right, but at least it's all on display inside a genuinely stunning building for the world to see.

Besides, I can't imagine any sort of genuine global attempt to return property and land taken in the past through force and treachery without the lot of us returning to the Old Stone Age. There comes a point in which you really must stop fighting battles in retaliation of injustices committed against your long-dead ancestors against the other side's descendants born years or even centuries after the fact.


Are you SURE you're Scottish?
 
2013-02-21 06:30:24 PM

gaspode: The whole theft/return idea is ridiculous on a massive scale. Almost everything that has a history was essentially 'stolen' by this definition. Is India/Egypt/Greece  planning on a complete audit of their entire national possessions to establish original ownership and whether they were legally transferred and then going to return them? No because that would be STUPID.

Half of their own countries only belong to them through conquest and subjugation. Why is there something special about the european conquests of the 16-19 centuries that makes that stuff 'stolen'?


White guilt.
 
2013-02-21 06:36:06 PM

Christian Bale: Yeah cuz diamonds degrade in the elements so rapidly.


Small minds have trouble taking an example and recognizing that it could represent multiple possibilities.

"Yeah yeah" some small-minded twit may argue "those things could happen in England too you know."

Perhaps. But they haven't.
 
2013-02-21 06:40:45 PM

Diogenes: Any word yet on the fate of the Crimson Gem of Cyttorak?


Some nutbag ex-surgeon from New York bought it and took it back to the Village with him.

IIRC he was one of those hippy-dippy crystal flake cape-wearing new-agers like you'd expect from that neighborhood. Really strange fellow. But it was a long long time ago and I can't find anything about it any more, sorry I got no linky.
 
2013-02-21 06:42:41 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: And why we, as a people, put such value on pressurized carbon is beyond me. Why not just pick a coconut? Or a found beetle carapace? It's all in the value of what we say its worth. To me, diamonds are a way of saying "im giving you all my cash for a useless rock that my fiancée wants, so i keep getting bj's, so here..here is all my cash for a hunk of stupid carbon." Why not just give her a CZ or something that you won't have to pay your next 22 paychecks for? fark diamonds, they have no value to me, nor does gold, or any of that shiat. Just because greedy people say it does, doesn't make it so.


And why we, as a people, put such value on slips of paper is beyond me. Why not just pick a coconut? Or a found beetle carapace? It's all in the value of what we say its worth. To me, cash is a way of saying "im giving you all my time and effort for a useless piece of paper that my fiancée wants, so i keep getting bj's, so here..here is all my free time and energy for a shred of stupid paper." Why not just give her a square of toilet paper or something that you won't have to sacrifice all of your free time for? fark cash, it has no value to me, nor does gold, or any of that shiat. Just because greedy people say it does, doesn't make it so.

Everything is only worth what we agree it is.  It's best to make your peace with it.
 
2013-02-21 06:50:01 PM

FTDA: NightOwl2255: you are a puppet: SERIOUSLY THOUGH, as a man of Indian descent...

I'm 1/256 Indian (Cherokee). Sure, it's not much, but I did get $2000 a year for college, and I can get free medical care and medicine if I want to go to the Indian clinic.

/Feather, not Ruby.

Do you know why Indian women have a red dot on their forehead?  So when they get married their husband can scratch it off to see if he won a 7-11.

/I keed!


The red dot is called a laltika. Along with the swastika, they are both shubhtikas and are a core part of the Aryan religion (Hinduism from the holy (v)Eddas)
 
2013-02-21 06:52:26 PM

eggrolls: Sorry, we need it for strategic anti-werewolf purposes.

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I've heard London has quite the infestation.
 
2013-02-21 07:02:14 PM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: eggrolls: Sorry, we need it for strategic anti-werewolf purposes.

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I've heard London has quite the infestation.


I'd avoid Lee Ho Fook's.
 
2013-02-21 07:03:41 PM
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2013-02-21 07:08:13 PM
Just a quick question here- wasn't it "stolen" from the people who stole it from the guy who absconded it from someone else who knifed someone in the back to get it, or something like that? Asking for its return would be kinda like the Goring family asking for the return of art that Grandpappy stole from all the museums in Europe and were then taken away.
 
2013-02-21 07:10:00 PM

johnnyq: I'm all for acknowledging our forebears mistakes and making up where we can, but Sir Harry Paget Flashman, VC, KCB, KCIE, didn't go through all that trouble during the First Sikh War smuggling the Koh-i-Noor out just to have it handed right back.


I still wonder if Fraser was hinting that his son "Havvy" was actually fathered by Lord Cardigan (similar lisps), but I've never seen any mention of that supposition.
 
2013-02-21 07:13:16 PM
Suede head: Ok, you can have the diamond back. And Briaian will have back the infrastructure, the Indian cities it founded, the roads and railways, the courts, schools and universities, the English Language, the civil service and army, the dem

Britain took the welcoming, trusting, and peaceful people of India, one of the richest countries in the world in the 16th century and divided, conquered, destroyed, raped, pillaged, and utterly revaged the area, which affects are being felt until today.

They started with this plan 3 centuries before Germany and Italy were even *countries* and whatever  meagre, rickety *infrastructure* Britian created was solely to increase their own profits by moving aw goods faster. Any roads or schools the british founded were about a million times less in form, scope and function than what the Indians would themselves have done over these past 3 centuries (much like the Germans industrialized from hut dwelling people and unpaved open sewer cities over 3 centuries to modernity).

Indians couldn't even make their own *salt* until late in 1930s' and were not allowed to own factories, work in higher positions in "govt" (ie Raj), have education, create capitalist infrastruture or invent or develop anything or start any factories or any companies...all the point of swords and guns. British made their hyper-mercantalism retard India's progress even after independence, since the 3 centuries of subjucation naturally meant that capitalism itself became suspect (until recently) in that country.

They took their fortune with the industrial revolution and made the entire sub continent destitute (the ones that survived that is).
Britain is directly reponsible for multiple Indian holocausts, including Bengal famines (once the richest region on Earth). Food was, on multiple times and places diverted from starving families to teach them a "lesson" to not resist British rule, upwards of 20 million died cumulatively.

This prologed evil stands alone and unique in modern world history.
 
2013-02-21 07:14:25 PM

hitlersbrain: You can grow diamonds pretty cheap in a lab. They are actually quite worthless. The only way to tell which ones were dug out of the ground by some dying African slave worker is by looking for the imperfections that are hard to fake. The more perfect the diamond, the less value it has.

/people be chumps.


The incredible thing is, diamonds will burn too:

* Popular Science - "Gone In A Flash: Burning Diamonds"

* Temperature of fire, from Wikipedia.

It's just super-compressed carbon. But they'reOOO SHINY
 
2013-02-21 07:16:55 PM

NightOwl2255: I'm 1/256 Indian (Cherokee). Sure, it's not much, but I did get $2000 a year for college, and I can get free medical care and medicine if I want to go to the Indian clinic.


wait, really?  I always just dismissed the fact that I'm 1/16th...would I get $8k/yr?

//I dismissed it because I have never stepped foot on a reservation, thus there's no way I'd let myself take money for something that isn't *me*
 
2013-02-21 07:22:48 PM
<b>Somacandra</b>:
It's hard to complain too hard about British colonialism. They tended to leave places in better condition than they found them.
\Now Belgian colonialism...

You are totally confused. Belgian colonialism in Africa was a walk in the park, a nice afternoon out with tea, compared to British colonialism.

This is what was done in Sri Lanka and this is a minute, langhable, almost invisible fraction of what was done in India.

http://exiledonline.com/when-pigs-fly-and-scold-brits-le cturing-sr i-la nka/all/1/

quote from above:
What's sick about this is that the British establishment destroyed the Sinhalese people completely. Completely and purposely, sadistically. Stole their land, humiliated and massacred their government, made it Imperial policy to erase every shred of self-respect the Sinhalese had left.  You can talk about the Nazis all day long, but for my money nothing they did was as gross as what you find out when you actually look into the history of British-Sinhalese relations. If you can even call them "relations"; I guess a murder-rape is a relation, sort of.
But nobody knows about it. Weird, huh? Nothing weirds me out more than the total news blackout the Brits have managed to put on all the sick shiat they did to brown and black people all over the world. They had a system, and it worked. They'd grab some paradise island in the tropics, use the Royal Navy to wall it off from the rest of the world, and crush the local tribe. If the locals resisted, the Brits would starve them to death, shoot them down, infect them with smallpox or get them addicted to opium-whatever they had to do to gang-rape the locals so bad that they'd lose the will to resist.

And to this day, they don't catch even a little bit of Hell for it. Everybody thinks the Brits are all cute and harmless. You're all a bunch of suckers for those suave accents, you suckers! The truth is that compared to the Brits, the Nazis you're always yammering about were a gang of eighth-grade stoners who ran around spraypainting swastikas on school property. The Nazis lasted one decade; the Brits quietly ran their extermination programs for three hundred years, and to this day they wouldn't even think of feeling guilty about it. Wouldn't cross their minds.
 
2013-02-21 07:25:57 PM
They stole it fair and square. No backsies.
 
2013-02-21 07:36:30 PM
What happened in India over 3 centuries cannot be processed by rational sane human minds but here is a little sampler, a little fart in a large wind to give you a taste of the benovolent British colonial rule.

http://exiledonline.com/wn-day-25-monty-python-burning-kikuyu-skit/ ;;

The complete extermination of the Mau Mau in Africa, by the british. The British do leave their colonial conquests so much better than they found them, don't they ? (as opposed to the horrible Belgians, oh my!)

---- quote ---
Way back in the 19th century, the local British agent said (people were more honest about this stuff back then): "The only way to improve the Kikuyu is to wipe them out, but unfortunately we depend on them for food supplies." [...]The British settlers turned out to be even more degenerate than the old plantation South-I remember reading that at one plantation in Kenya, the first thing a guest was offered was a tray (carried by a Kikuyu maid) with a hypo full of morphine and a little packet of cocaine, and whichever you picked, they'd keep it coming as long as you were there. Colonial hospitality.
The Kikuyu were being wiped out, to the point that even Churchill, not exactly a bleeding heart, complained that it seemed a bit much to keep killing Kikuyu "on such an enormous scale."
[...]
Another innovation in storytelling that the Brits understood way, way better than the Germans, who were amateurs at PR, was this one: never talk about how many of them you killed; only talk about your people that they killed. That policy was why I never heard as a kid how many Kikuyu died when they finally rose up against the Brits.
[...]
Elkins estimates the number of Kikuyu killed by British forces at something like 300,000. Quite a little massacre there. Funny you haven't heard of it, huh? Well, like Elkins said in an article she just wrote after archives were released that totally confirmed her version, that's because the Brit historians who should have told the story decided not to. They knew, all right. They just didn't care to tell.
Turns out the Brits basically put the whole Kikuyu population in concentration camps-more than 1.5 million civilians inside the wire, and if they died of every African disease that was going, all the better. Actually the Brits used the same technique against the Boer women and children in the Boer War-purposely killed off 25% of the total civilian population to demoralize the guerrillas they couldn't beat in a fair fight-so it shouldn't surprise anyone . But it will, because they've sold y'all their Hugh Grant version of themselves.
---

Yeah, but they built roads in africa I'm sure. And can you believe the horrible Belgians ? Yeah, let's talk about those Belgians.
 
2013-02-21 07:38:14 PM

IamAwake: //I dismissed it because I have never stepped foot on a reservation, thus there's no way I'd let myself take money for something that isn't *me*


Are you worried about cancer ever in your life time?  Plan on having kids / have kids?  Take everything you can get.  You'll need an ID # though, but if one of your relatives has one, that will work.
 
2013-02-21 07:39:42 PM

Weaver95: you want that stuff back, form and army and invade.  otherwise forget about it.


Current United States government to American Indians: Remember that little chunk of land currently called "the United States" we  stole from you well over 150 years ago? Yeah, you're never getting that back.
 
2013-02-21 07:41:33 PM

IamAwake: //I dismissed it because I have never stepped foot on a reservation, thus there's no way I'd let myself take money for something that isn't *me*


Oh, I see. Don't want to take that government money meant for the poor little red kids on the reservation huh? Yeah, you really don't know what you are talking about. Here's just one of the sources of revenue of the tribe. So, unless you can honestly say you would not accept a scholarship from Caesars Palace, your righteousness is misplaced.
 
2013-02-21 07:41:47 PM
Oh wait, I almost forgot, this is too funny. The benevolent, bumbling, monty python reciting, good, fair minded British, in Africa (which compared to India wasn't even all that important to them but they still did this):

Seems that castration, burning suspects alive, and ass-rape with broken bottles was a favorite counter-insurgency technique for British troops in Kenya:

"Bottles (often broken), gun barrels, knives, snakes, vermin, and hot eggs were thrust up men's rectums and women's vaginas. The screening teams whipped, shot, burned, and mutilated Mau Mau suspects, ostensibly to gather intelligence for military operations, and as court evidence." At the time, the British government sought to circumvent international accords. Forced labour was constantly imposed in the camps. Kenya's defence minister had said of the use of detainee labour: "We are slave traders and the employment of our slaves are, in this instance, by the Public Works Department."


Say, about about a spot of tea, old chap ? Now about those Belgians, can you believe what they did ? We only made our places so much better than we found them....
 
2013-02-21 07:43:20 PM

bmihura: Current United States government to American Indians: Remember that little chunk of land currently called "the United States" we stole from you well over 150 years ago? Yeah, you're never getting that back.


Well it's true.  I'm a bit of a pragmatist about these things.  People get conquered.  Maybe one day the conquered can gain sufficient numbers or a tactical advantage and become the conquerors, but until then work with the system or die.
 
2013-02-21 07:47:12 PM
Treygreen13:
Half of their own countries only belong to them through conquest and subjugation. Why is there something special about the european conquests of the 16-19 centuries that makes that stuff 'stolen'?

White guilt.


Treygreen13:
You are so riiight. White guilt ! That's it!

The multiple holocausts, mass starvations concentration camps, mutilations and destruction have nothing to do with it, it's a little guilt...much like the Nazis too are not revered and celebrated because of ..white guilt getting in the way. Suuuch a brilliant clarifying observation....
 
2013-02-21 07:47:57 PM

MythDragon: The 4chan Psychiatrist: And I'd give the edge to the Sikh warriors of India vs. the modern Brits, SAS excluded, ofc.


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"For short range weapons:
Edge: Sikh Warriors with their curved blades and beards

For special weapons:
Edge: Sikh Warriors for their Turbans of Doom.

For long range weapons:
Edge: British Military with aircraft carriers, Apaches, and cluster bombs"


Actually, it's a tie as far as aircraft carriers are concerned.  The U.K. and India each have 1 active aircraft carrier and 2 under construction.  Source:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_carriers_in_service.

Actually, it may be a win for India, since India's carrier carries Harriers while the U.K. carrier only carries helicopters.
 
2013-02-21 07:49:10 PM

give me doughnuts: The 4chan Psychiatrist: SurfaceTension: Weaver95: you want that stuff back, form and army and invade.  otherwise forget about it.

I don't know. I'd give even odds for an army of Hindu warriors vs. the Brits of today.

And I'd give the edge to the Sikh warriors of India vs. the modern Brits, SAS excluded, ofc.


How are they going to get to England? The Indian Navy? How much air-lift capacity does the Indian Air Force have?


Funny you mention that.   One of the 'shames' at the Queen's Jubilee was that GB's navy had shrunk in size... India now has a larger navy than Britain.
 
2013-02-21 07:50:34 PM

ITGreen: "One of the world's largest diamonds, some Indians - including independence leader Mahatma Gandhi's grandson - have demanded its return to atone for Britain's colonial past. "

So one diamond will atone for Britain's colonial wrongdoings?  No?  Then giving it back is only the first in a line of  "atonement" gestures to be demanded later by India.

I actually agree with the British on this one; nip this stunt of theirs in the bud.


I could go with the whole 1.4 billion people on a nuke tipped subcontinent versus a bunch of rocks the size of California but hey...that's too much wasted time, energy, and pomp and circumstance and....and....well Fark it India. Go dig up another diamond. Nuke DeBeers and you'll have them all. And probably some new ones.
 
2013-02-21 07:56:03 PM
Ecto-cooler, DeBeers cartel, Dr. Who, Deadliest Warrior, Colonialism, lab diamonds. This thread has everything. It's going on the very short list of favorites :D
 
2013-02-21 07:58:35 PM
So all I got out of this thread is that it is okay to steal anything because everything was at one point owned by someone else, and thus the only thing you can't steal through the Fark Logic of Deduction is the stick used by the first primate who figured out he can use it to scratch his own arsehole.
 
jvl
2013-02-21 08:02:40 PM
Reading Wikipedia, it appears this particular diamond has been stolen about once per century since it was first dug up.  Fark, they don't even remember who dug it up or where!

So why does it belong to India rather than Pakistan (where it once resided) or Iran (where it once resided) or Afghanistan (where it once resided)?
 
2013-02-21 08:04:12 PM

SurfaceTension: Weaver95: you want that stuff back, form and army and invade.  otherwise forget about it.

I don't know. I'd give even odds for an army of Hindu warriors vs. the Brits of today.


Lolwut? The Brits are the second-most capable army in the world (not huge, but what's there is cherse). And the warrior cultures in India are Sikh and Muslim, not Hindu.
 
2013-02-21 08:04:56 PM

pstudent12: Treygreen13:
Half of their own countries only belong to them through conquest and subjugation. Why is there something special about the european conquests of the 16-19 centuries that makes that stuff 'stolen'?

White guilt.

Treygreen13:
You are so riiight. White guilt ! That's it!

The multiple holocausts, mass starvations concentration camps, mutilations and destruction have nothing to do with it, it's a little guilt...much like the Nazis too are not revered and celebrated because of ..white guilt getting in the way. Suuuch a brilliant clarifying observation....


Alright, fine I feel frigin awesome about the atrocities committed by the West from 1600 to roughly 1950. Best thing that we white folk have ever done!

Seriously, what would you have us do? Spend untold trillions making things better? Putting a band-aid on things and saying, "Yay all fixed!". Your moralizing would be admirable if it wasn't so pointless.
 
2013-02-21 08:05:43 PM

TV's Vinnie: An Indian's arrows would be crap vs a Roman Phalanx formation.

1.bp.blogspot.com

Hold up shields as the arrows bounce off, get in close, and remind the redskins the folly of pissing off whitey.



The centurion was a different episode. Coincidentally, they had him face off against the Rajput Warrior of India. They concluded the centurion would lose that match up as well, mostly on the basis of their close range weapon of choice. I could see that as the Rajputs were trained more for one on one combat as opposed to the teamwork based legions.
 
2013-02-21 08:09:24 PM
It's interesting to see the overt racism, nationalism, and quintessential British douchiness boil over whenever anyone dares suggest that they might not be the gentlemen they pretend to be.
 
2013-02-21 08:13:03 PM

pstudent12: Oh wait, I almost forgot, this is too funny. The benevolent, bumbling, monty python reciting, good, fair minded British, in Africa (which compared to India wasn't even all that important to them but they still did this):

Seems that castration, burning suspects alive, and ass-rape with broken bottles was a favorite counter-insurgency technique for British troops in Kenya:

"Bottles (often broken), gun barrels, knives, snakes, vermin, and hot eggs were thrust up men's rectums and women's vaginas. The screening teams whipped, shot, burned, and mutilated Mau Mau suspects, ostensibly to gather intelligence for military operations, and as court evidence." At the time, the British government sought to circumvent international accords. Forced labour was constantly imposed in the camps. Kenya's defence minister had said of the use of detainee labour: "We are slave traders and the employment of our slaves are, in this instance, by the Public Works Department."

Say, about about a spot of tea, old chap ? Now about those Belgians, can you believe what they did ? We only made our places so much better than we found them....


It was no worse than what the Africans did to each other. the british were just a bit more organized, and to be fair, they were results-oriented. Thye stopped reprisals when the provocations stopped. the Portoguese and the Belgians were far worse to their subjects.

'S one reason the Empire lasted so long and was so successful, you know. Ultimately, the British were, on balance, fair and just. Same with the Romans.
 
2013-02-21 08:15:42 PM
The US must pay every African American many millions of dollars in retribution because some Dutch traders decided to bring over some long removed ancestor. Which in turn gave todays African American a much better standard of living than if their Great Great Great Grandfather had stayed in Africa.


/Grandpa could have stayed in Africa and now his descendants could all be dying of Aids
 
2013-02-21 08:16:26 PM

NightOwl2255: you are a puppet: SERIOUSLY THOUGH, as a man of Indian descent...

I'm 1/256 Indian (Cherokee). Sure, it's not much, but I did get $2000 a year for college, and I can get free medical care and medicine if I want to go to the Indian clinic.

/Feather, not Ruby.


Seriously? I'm sure I have more Cherokee than that.
 
2013-02-21 08:17:22 PM
Dumb, just dumb. All of this is dumb. We should nuke India to prevent further outbreak.
 
2013-02-21 08:19:06 PM

pstudent12: Treygreen13:
Half of their own countries only belong to them through conquest and subjugation. Why is there something special about the european conquests of the 16-19 centuries that makes that stuff 'stolen'?

White guilt.

Treygreen13:
You are so riiight. White guilt ! That's it!

The multiple holocausts, mass starvations concentration camps, mutilations and destruction have nothing to do with it, it's a little guilt...much like the Nazis too are not revered and celebrated because of ..white guilt getting in the way. Suuuch a brilliant clarifying observation....


Well that's exactly what you're pushing.

You want people who weren't even alive at the time of said atrocities to feel bad about them as if it were their fault simply on the basis of the fact they're white and therefore must be complicit.  That's what your earlier spiel was about, wasn't it?  "Look how nasty your ancestors were, don't you feel bad about it?  You should, because you're white and a descendent of those horrible people.  Every privilege and advantage you have is built on the back of slaughtered brown people.  You should grovel in shame."

There's no reason British citizens of any colour born after the end of the Raj should feel any guilt for what happened during it.  There's no reason why Japanese born after WWII should feel any guilt for what happened during it.  There's no reason Africans born after the end of slavery should feel guilt about their ancestors selling their own into slavery.

It's all very wide-eyed college liberal and extremely biblical, but it's stupid, and non-productive, and frankly it makes you look like even more of a moron than your awful writing style.

/Seriously, learn to write a coherent sentence
 
2013-02-21 08:20:12 PM

mbillips: SurfaceTension: Weaver95: you want that stuff back, form and army and invade.  otherwise forget about it.

I don't know. I'd give even odds for an army of Hindu warriors vs. the Brits of today.

Lolwut? The Brits are the second-most capable army in the world (not huge, but what's there is cherse). And the warrior cultures in India are Sikh and Muslim, not Hindu.


Well it's not like the Muslims haven't run rampant over Europe in the past...et al.
 
2013-02-21 08:20:21 PM

gadian: You'll need an ID # though, but if one of your relatives has one, that will work.


I have relatives that live on reservations (ie, they're fully registered and whatnot), so it would be easy enough to get whatever I need, but...I'll be fine.

NightOwl2255: Oh, I see. Don't want to take that government money meant for the poor little red kids on the reservation huh? Yeah, you really don't know what you are talking about. Here's just one of the sources of revenue of the tribe. So, unless you can honestly say you would not accept a scholarship from Caesars Palace, your righteousness is misplaced.


No, I simply don't identify myself with the culture, nor do I feel that what one group of long-since-dead people did to another group of long-since-dead people should benefit me personally as though that makes and difference to the dead people.  Instead, on a general level, I'd rather contribute to processes and such that hopefully steer society away from doing such things to other people who are either currently alive, or not-yet-born.  Were I a part of that culture in any way, I might feel different, but...
 
2013-02-21 08:20:25 PM

jvl: Reading Wikipedia, it appears this particular diamond has been stolen about once per century since it was first dug up.  Fark, they don't even remember who dug it up or where!

So why does it belong to India rather than Pakistan (where it once resided) or Iran (where it once resided) or Afghanistan (where it once resided)?


Oh, they should give it to Pakistan, for the lulz.
 
2013-02-21 08:27:41 PM

NightOwl2255: you are a puppet: SERIOUSLY THOUGH, as a man of Indian descent...

I'm 1/256 Indian (Cherokee). Sure, it's not much, but I did get $2000 a year for college, and I can get free medical care and medicine if I want to go to the Indian clinic.

/Feather, not Ruby.


That's really retarded that that's allowed.  I think I'm like 1/64 Cherokee - I've seen my family's records on that and a picture of her, but don't remember the number of generations.  It's just silly, though - I'm white.
 
2013-02-21 08:28:03 PM

Lunchlady: pstudent12: Treygreen13:
Half of their own countries only belong to them through conquest and subjugation. Why is there something special about the european conquests of the 16-19 centuries that makes that stuff 'stolen'?

White guilt.

Treygreen13:
You are so riiight. White guilt ! That's it!

The multiple holocausts, mass starvations concentration camps, mutilations and destruction have nothing to do with it, it's a little guilt...much like the Nazis too are not revered and celebrated because of ..white guilt getting in the way. Suuuch a brilliant clarifying observation....

Alright, fine I feel frigin awesome about the atrocities committed by the West from 1600 to roughly 1950. Best thing that we white folk have ever done!

Seriously, what would you have us do? Spend untold trillions making things better? Putting a band-aid on things and saying, "Yay all fixed!". Your moralizing would be admirable if it wasn't so pointless.


Well, returning the diamond, and putting a lid on your condescending biatch attitude would be a start. Actually, it would be an end, too, since no country has seriously demanded reparations and all they have asked for is to bury the hatchet with small requests such as this one. But let's make a giant deal out of it as if this small gesture of conciliation will somehow eventually lead to Europe having to pay back all the monetary damages of four centuries adjusted for inflation.
 
2013-02-21 08:30:52 PM

IamAwake: No, I simply don't identify myself with the culture, nor do I feel that what one group of long-since-dead people did to another group of long-since-dead people should benefit me personally as though that makes and difference to the dead people. Instead, on a general level, I'd rather contribute to processes and such that hopefully steer society away from doing such things to other people who are either currently alive, or not-yet-born. Were I a part of that culture in any way, I might feel different, but...


The shiat part about this is, if for some reason you had kids and the courts had to get involved, ICWA would take effect and your tribe would be brought in no matter how you felt about it.
 
2013-02-21 08:31:56 PM
FTFA: If Kate Middleton, the wife of Prince William, who is second in line to the throne, eventually becomes queen consort she will don the crown holding the diamond on official occasions.

What's the over/under on her just saying "oh fark it. pry the goddamn thing out and give it back. Not like we can't go dig up another"?
 
2013-02-21 08:35:04 PM

Fallout Boy: Lunchlady: pstudent12: Treygreen13:
Half of their own countries only belong to them through conquest and subjugation. Why is there something special about the european conquests of the 16-19 centuries that makes that stuff 'stolen'?

White guilt.

Treygreen13:
You are so riiight. White guilt ! That's it!

The multiple holocausts, mass starvations concentration camps, mutilations and destruction have nothing to do with it, it's a little guilt...much like the Nazis too are not revered and celebrated because of ..white guilt getting in the way. Suuuch a brilliant clarifying observation....

Alright, fine I feel frigin awesome about the atrocities committed by the West from 1600 to roughly 1950. Best thing that we white folk have ever done!

Seriously, what would you have us do? Spend untold trillions making things better? Putting a band-aid on things and saying, "Yay all fixed!". Your moralizing would be admirable if it wasn't so pointless.

Well, returning the diamond, and putting a lid on your condescending biatch attitude would be a start. Actually, it would be an end, too, since no country has seriously demanded reparations and all they have asked for is to bury the hatchet with small requests such as this one. But let's make a giant deal out of it as if this small gesture of conciliation will somehow eventually lead to Europe having to pay back all the monetary damages of four centuries adjusted for inflation.


They're not getting the diamond back and they know it. This request is for the benefit of the Indian politician's constituents, just like Argentina and the Falklands, Teapartiers and illegals, and Armenians with Turkey.

Everyone knows this, so let's stop the moralizing and the cultural relativity and be pragmatic about it.
 
2013-02-21 08:35:57 PM

Somacandra: Weaver95: form and army and invade.

Why not point a nuke at the UK and say "hand it over motherfarker?" India is a nuclear power after all.


So is the UK. The only difference is the UK actually has delivery vehicles capable of reaching the other side of the world. And the UK has form when it comes to ruthlessness.
 
2013-02-21 08:41:34 PM

Cubicle Jockey: TV's Vinnie: An Indian's arrows would be crap vs a Roman Phalanx formation.

1.bp.blogspot.com

Hold up shields as the arrows bounce off, get in close, and remind the redskins the folly of pissing off whitey.


The centurion was a different episode. Coincidentally, they had him face off against the Rajput Warrior of India. They concluded the centurion would lose that match up as well, mostly on the basis of their close range weapon of choice. I could see that as the Rajputs were trained more for one on one combat as opposed to the teamwork based legions.


But mostly because he's white, and the show's producers seem to have a real hate-on for nearly any European type of fighter and love to have them lose against any other warrior.

Only match-up I ever saw where whitebreads won was a matchup between the Waffen SS and the Viet Cong (and I get a feeling the ones responsible for that outrage are now in several steel drums in the Everglades). Even the show's producers had to admit that an AK-47 has crap accuracy.
 
2013-02-21 08:45:39 PM
Britain didn't steal that diamond from "India." They took it from the last of a long line of ruling cutthroats who had stolen it back and forth across Asia for centuries. The East India Company got legal title to it along with the rest of the Singh families kingdom in Punjab, in exchange for Duleep Singh living a comfortable exile in Great Britain pllus 50,000 pounds a year. And the East India Company gave it to Queen Victoria and her heirs. The British royal family are just about the only owners who DIDN'T steal it.
 
2013-02-21 08:46:49 PM

Lunchlady: Fallout Boy: Lunchlady: pstudent12: Treygreen13:
Half of their own countries only belong to them through conquest and subjugation. Why is there something special about the european conquests of the 16-19 centuries that makes that stuff 'stolen'?

White guilt.

Treygreen13:
You are so riiight. White guilt ! That's it!

The multiple holocausts, mass starvations concentration camps, mutilations and destruction have nothing to do with it, it's a little guilt...much like the Nazis too are not revered and celebrated because of ..white guilt getting in the way. Suuuch a brilliant clarifying observation....

Alright, fine I feel frigin awesome about the atrocities committed by the West from 1600 to roughly 1950. Best thing that we white folk have ever done!

Seriously, what would you have us do? Spend untold trillions making things better? Putting a band-aid on things and saying, "Yay all fixed!". Your moralizing would be admirable if it wasn't so pointless.

Well, returning the diamond, and putting a lid on your condescending biatch attitude would be a start. Actually, it would be an end, too, since no country has seriously demanded reparations and all they have asked for is to bury the hatchet with small requests such as this one. But let's make a giant deal out of it as if this small gesture of conciliation will somehow eventually lead to Europe having to pay back all the monetary damages of four centuries adjusted for inflation.

They're not getting the diamond back and they know it. This request is for the benefit of the Indian politician's constituents, just like Argentina and the Falklands, Teapartiers and illegals, and Armenians with Turkey.

Everyone knows this, so let's stop the moralizing and the cultural relativity and be pragmatic about it.


I wonder why you never ask why the British will never return the diamond. Is the political face and the fear that it will be interpreted as a sign of weakness on the part of the British politicians worth defending over the dignity of the Indian people and nation?
 
2013-02-21 08:52:00 PM
Who cares?

How would Indians benefit from its return?
 
2013-02-21 08:55:01 PM

Fallout Boy: Lunchlady: Fallout Boy: Lunchlady: pstudent12: Treygreen13:
Half of their own countries only belong to them through conquest and subjugation. Why is there something special about the european conquests of the 16-19 centuries that makes that stuff 'stolen'?

White guilt.

Treygreen13:
You are so riiight. White guilt ! That's it!

The multiple holocausts, mass starvations concentration camps, mutilations and destruction have nothing to do with it, it's a little guilt...much like the Nazis too are not revered and celebrated because of ..white guilt getting in the way. Suuuch a brilliant clarifying observation....

Alright, fine I feel frigin awesome about the atrocities committed by the West from 1600 to roughly 1950. Best thing that we white folk have ever done!

Seriously, what would you have us do? Spend untold trillions making things better? Putting a band-aid on things and saying, "Yay all fixed!". Your moralizing would be admirable if it wasn't so pointless.

Well, returning the diamond, and putting a lid on your condescending biatch attitude would be a start. Actually, it would be an end, too, since no country has seriously demanded reparations and all they have asked for is to bury the hatchet with small requests such as this one. But let's make a giant deal out of it as if this small gesture of conciliation will somehow eventually lead to Europe having to pay back all the monetary damages of four centuries adjusted for inflation.

They're not getting the diamond back and they know it. This request is for the benefit of the Indian politician's constituents, just like Argentina and the Falklands, Teapartiers and illegals, and Armenians with Turkey.

Everyone knows this, so let's stop the moralizing and the cultural relativity and be pragmatic about it.

I wonder why you never ask why the British will never return the diamond. Is the political face and the fear that it will be interpreted as a sign of weakness on the part of the British politicians worth defendin ...


As described above the British were pretty much the only people who got the diamond and didn't murder the current owner for it. Hell "India" was a geographic term in the 1800's, the only people who have any claim whatsoever for the diamond are the descendants of the Sultan who gave it as a gift, not the rest of modern India. Hell given the circumstances, the diamond has more significance in British history than what we currently call India.
 
2013-02-21 09:03:46 PM

links136: peasants_are_revolting: This text is now purple: Somacandra: The moral of the story: colonialism sucks ass (the bad kind), no matter how hard Dinesh D'Souza tries to polish that turd.

It's hard to complain too hard about British colonialism. They tended to leave places in better condition than they found them.

\Now Belgian colonialism...

Exactly. Most of the places the Brits colonized would have zero infrastructure if they hadn't been there. I get tired of former colonies, particularly on the African continent, blaming all of their problems on the West.

Didn't britain start i's colonization in the 1600's?  When infrastructure was dirt roads?  And largely depended on slave labour?  Such as the original infrastructure of America?  I'm really not an expert, but it seems like britain gave infrastructure that they wouldn't have had like Iraq now has infrastructure like they wouldn't have had.  In fact, wasn't the Caribbean colonies in the 18th century populated 3/4ths by African slaves?


And ... your point?
 
2013-02-21 09:04:43 PM
pstudent12: *EXTENSIVE RAMBLINGS CUT*

And your own country has a history of the exact same at the least. History is the word however.

I WILL NOT feel guilty about stuff done while my ancestors worked for basic bread down a mine in Northern England. Sorry, I just will not. I especially will not listen to demands from people who are themselves rich and powerful off the backs of poverty stricken masses in their own countries, who they treat abominably, as they try to deflect with nationalist tripe.
 
2013-02-21 09:07:52 PM
Not sure what the big deal is. We've been psychologically conditioned to want a diamond.
The diamond engagement ring is a 73-year-old invention of N.W.Ayer advertising agency. The De Beers diamond cartel contracted N.W.Ayer to create a demand for what are, essentially, useless hunks of rock.
 
2013-02-21 09:11:26 PM
Happy Hours
Who cares?

How would Indians benefit from its return?

This.  It sounds like typical grandstanding by some idiot politician.  I suspect the average Indian laborer would rather have their elected politician get some money to their respective village so they can buy a water pump and/or have regular sanitation system.

Not some dumb rock that will sit in another museum in Mumbai or Dehli that the peasants will never visit.
 
2013-02-21 09:12:56 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Dumb, just dumb. All of this is dumb. We should nuke India to prevent further outbreak.


Yeah, because they are brown, right. go learn some history dipshiat
 
2013-02-21 09:16:23 PM

Happy Hours: Who cares?

How would Indians benefit from its return?


Just symbolic. some talkingheads want to make a name for them in India (Read, Gandhi's grandson etc..) and they raise this. Dumbasses should go find on ways to improve the state of the nation
 
2013-02-21 09:17:11 PM

Lunchlady: Fallout Boy: Lunchlady: Fallout Boy: Lunchlady: pstudent12: Treygreen13:
Half of their own countries only belong to them through conquest and subjugation. Why is there something special about the european conquests of the 16-19 centuries that makes that stuff 'stolen'?

White guilt.

Treygreen13:
You are so riiight. White guilt ! That's it!

The multiple holocausts, mass starvations concentration camps, mutilations and destruction have nothing to do with it, it's a little guilt...much like the Nazis too are not revered and celebrated because of ..white guilt getting in the way. Suuuch a brilliant clarifying observation....

Alright, fine I feel frigin awesome about the atrocities committed by the West from 1600 to roughly 1950. Best thing that we white folk have ever done!

Seriously, what would you have us do? Spend untold trillions making things better? Putting a band-aid on things and saying, "Yay all fixed!". Your moralizing would be admirable if it wasn't so pointless.

Well, returning the diamond, and putting a lid on your condescending biatch attitude would be a start. Actually, it would be an end, too, since no country has seriously demanded reparations and all they have asked for is to bury the hatchet with small requests such as this one. But let's make a giant deal out of it as if this small gesture of conciliation will somehow eventually lead to Europe having to pay back all the monetary damages of four centuries adjusted for inflation.

They're not getting the diamond back and they know it. This request is for the benefit of the Indian politician's constituents, just like Argentina and the Falklands, Teapartiers and illegals, and Armenians with Turkey.

Everyone knows this, so let's stop the moralizing and the cultural relativity and be pragmatic about it.

I wonder why you never ask why the British will never return the diamond. Is the political face and the fear that it will be interpreted as a sign of weakness on the part of the British politicians w ...


According to wikipedia (I know...), the diamond belong to this fellow named  Ranjīt Singh, and after his death the British simply took it as their own without anylegal precedence. So instead of having to murder for it, they went on a grave-robbing, but I guess anything that isn't murder is high standards for the British Empire.

At the end of the day it always goes back to the "well it isn't stealing because they didn't have their name on it" argument. These kinds of discussion is getting old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koh-i-Noor#Taken_from_India_to_England
 
2013-02-21 09:17:56 PM

gaspode: pstudent12: *EXTENSIVE RAMBLINGS CUT*

And your own country has a history of the exact same at the least. History is the word however.

I WILL NOT feel guilty about stuff done while my ancestors worked for basic bread down a mine in Northern England. Sorry, I just will not. I especially will not listen to demands from people who are themselves rich and powerful off the backs of poverty stricken masses in their own countries, who they treat abominably, as they try to deflect with nationalist tripe.


Exactly this.  While India is cultivating a space program their poor people are among the most wretched people on earth.  The appalling poverty, lack of education, rampant corruption at every level and horrific treatment of women means that the Indian government has a lot to do to become a civilised place where civilised people can live and work.  Giving them a gaudy bauble of doubtful provenance won't chane any of that.
 
2013-02-21 09:18:52 PM

Deep Contact: Not sure what the big deal is. We've been psychologically conditioned to want a diamond.
The diamond engagement ring is a 73-year-old invention of N.W.Ayer advertising agency. The De Beers diamond cartel contracted N.W.Ayer to create a demand for what are, essentially, useless hunks of rock.


This particular diamond has been the prize of warlords and rulers for the better part of a millennium. The modern notion is that everyone should have one.
 
2013-02-21 09:24:33 PM

Fallout Boy: Lunchlady: Fallout Boy: Lunchlady: Fallout Boy: Lunchlady: pstudent12: Treygreen13:
Half of their own countries only belong to them through conquest and subjugation. Why is there something special about the european conquests of the 16-19 centuries that makes that stuff 'stolen'?

White guilt.

Treygreen13:
You are so riiight. White guilt ! That's it!

The multiple holocausts, mass starvations concentration camps, mutilations and destruction have nothing to do with it, it's a little guilt...much like the Nazis too are not revered and celebrated because of ..white guilt getting in the way. Suuuch a brilliant clarifying observation....

Alright, fine I feel frigin awesome about the atrocities committed by the West from 1600 to roughly 1950. Best thing that we white folk have ever done!

Seriously, what would you have us do? Spend untold trillions making things better? Putting a band-aid on things and saying, "Yay all fixed!". Your moralizing would be admirable if it wasn't so pointless.

Well, returning the diamond, and putting a lid on your condescending biatch attitude would be a start. Actually, it would be an end, too, since no country has seriously demanded reparations and all they have asked for is to bury the hatchet with small requests such as this one. But let's make a giant deal out of it as if this small gesture of conciliation will somehow eventually lead to Europe having to pay back all the monetary damages of four centuries adjusted for inflation.

They're not getting the diamond back and they know it. This request is for the benefit of the Indian politician's constituents, just like Argentina and the Falklands, Teapartiers and illegals, and Armenians with Turkey.

Everyone knows this, so let's stop the moralizing and the cultural relativity and be pragmatic about it.

I wonder why you never ask why the British will never return the diamond. Is the political face and the fear that it will be interpreted as a sign of weakness on the part of the British po ...


It's a god damn rock. It belongs to the old ruler's family if anyone, not India. Did they take it under questionable circumstances? Yep. Is India going to get it back? Nope.
 
2013-02-21 09:24:40 PM

Spiralmonkey: gaspode: pstudent12: *EXTENSIVE RAMBLINGS CUT*

And your own country has a history of the exact same at the least. History is the word however.

I WILL NOT feel guilty about stuff done while my ancestors worked for basic bread down a mine in Northern England. Sorry, I just will not. I especially will not listen to demands from people who are themselves rich and powerful off the backs of poverty stricken masses in their own countries, who they treat abominably, as they try to deflect with nationalist tripe.

Exactly this.  While India is cultivating a space program their poor people are among the most wretched people on earth.  The appalling poverty, lack of education, rampant corruption at every level and horrific treatment of women means that the Indian government has a lot to do to become a civilised place where civilised people can live and work.  Giving them a gaudy bauble of doubtful provenance won't chane any of that.


what kind of twisted logic is this? So, basically you are saying that only if India will get their problems fixed, then they are worthy of getting gifts? And why are people of India supposed not developed in the first place? Maybe it's because british occupation stunted their growth for 200+ years? Are you even aware of how much wealth was transfered from India to britain?
 
2013-02-21 09:30:53 PM

Lunchlady: Fallout Boy: Lunchlady: Fallout Boy: Lunchlady: Fallout Boy: Lunchlady: pstudent12: Treygreen13:
Half of their own countries only belong to them through conquest and subjugation. Why is there something special about the european conquests of the 16-19 centuries that makes that stuff 'stolen'?

White guilt.

Treygreen13:
You are so riiight. White guilt ! That's it!

The multiple holocausts, mass starvations concentration camps, mutilations and destruction have nothing to do with it, it's a little guilt...much like the Nazis too are not revered and celebrated because of ..white guilt getting in the way. Suuuch a brilliant clarifying observation....

Alright, fine I feel frigin awesome about the atrocities committed by the West from 1600 to roughly 1950. Best thing that we white folk have ever done!

Seriously, what would you have us do? Spend untold trillions making things better? Putting a band-aid on things and saying, "Yay all fixed!". Your moralizing would be admirable if it wasn't so pointless.

Well, returning the diamond, and putting a lid on your condescending biatch attitude would be a start. Actually, it would be an end, too, since no country has seriously demanded reparations and all they have asked for is to bury the hatchet with small requests such as this one. But let's make a giant deal out of it as if this small gesture of conciliation will somehow eventually lead to Europe having to pay back all the monetary damages of four centuries adjusted for inflation.

They're not getting the diamond back and they know it. This request is for the benefit of the Indian politician's constituents, just like Argentina and the Falklands, Teapartiers and illegals, and Armenians with Turkey.

Everyone knows this, so let's stop the moralizing and the cultural relativity and be pragmatic about it.

I wonder why you never ask why the British will never return the diamond. Is the political face and the fear that it will be interpreted as a sign of weakness on the part of t ...


Well, would you support Britain returning it to the family  of the old king? Like, if anybody from the family asks, they would return it
 
2013-02-21 09:38:44 PM

you are a puppet: They should give India a glass dragon instead.

SERIOUSLY THOUGH, as a man of Indian descent, the British were real scumbags to my ancestors right up until they left http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre

A real hero was this dude - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udham_Singh

Just a diamond, can't make anything right. But that scumbag country made heroes of those people for showing the upstart Indians who was boss. If Britain want to pretend they've changed, this is one step.


Luckily India never pushed over another country and stole whatever of value that wasn't bolted down (or the equivalent of the time). Otherwise they'd have to start giving everything back to, which we all know would be unreasonable. I mean, they are practically a third world country where most people still shiat in the street while the Brits have nice stuff.

Walker: You are comparing apples and oranges. This is a physical item that was stolen and can be given back. A better comparison would be things the Nazis stole during WW2 from other countries now being in Germany's possessions. The other countries ask for them back and Germany says "F*ck you, we don't believe in returnism".


See the previous bit. If everyone was forced to give things back because they "stole" it by conquest we'd have to start a second one of these. I'm not even going to start about non-territorial possessions. Just the effort in reconstructing every bit of lost loot would cripple the world economy for decades,
 
2013-02-21 09:44:28 PM

andhravodu: those bottomfeeders can keep that overhyped piece of rock. We are busy making progress. and besides, in 50 years, they will be begging to come to India anyway. But we are elephants, we have a loooong memory


w/ all the Indians living & moving there now, sounds like it'd be a unilateral move to me.
 
2013-02-21 09:48:01 PM

DerAppie: you are a puppet: They should give India a glass dragon instead.

SERIOUSLY THOUGH, as a man of Indian descent, the British were real scumbags to my ancestors right up until they left http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre

A real hero was this dude - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udham_Singh

Just a diamond, can't make anything right. But that scumbag country made heroes of those people for showing the upstart Indians who was boss. If Britain want to pretend they've changed, this is one step.

Luckily India never pushed over another country and stole whatever of value that wasn't bolted down (or the equivalent of the time). Otherwise they'd have to start giving everything back to, which we all know would be unreasonable. I mean, they are practically a third world country where most people still shiat in the street while the Brits have nice stuff.

Walker: You are comparing apples and oranges. This is a physical item that was stolen and can be given back. A better comparison would be things the Nazis stole during WW2 from other countries now being in Germany's possessions. The other countries ask for them back and Germany says "F*ck you, we don't believe in returnism".

See the previous bit. If everyone was forced to give things back because they "stole" it by conquest we'd have to start a second one of these. I'm not even going to start about non-territorial possessions. Just the effort in reconstructing every bit of lost loot would cripple the world economy for decades,


I think you came off a little condescending in your description of India. Your impressions of India are a little dated. The rich class in India is comparable to any of the world's elite. The middle class has been enjoying a boom of sorts. Until 5-10 years ago, almost every body who got the chance immigrated to firstworld countries, but with the depresssion and newer opportunities, there is a lot of reverse migration back to India.
 
2013-02-21 09:52:37 PM

andhravodu: Spiralmonkey: gaspode: pstudent12: *EXTENSIVE RAMBLINGS CUT*

And your own country has a history of the exact same at the least. History is the word however.

I WILL NOT feel guilty about stuff done while my ancestors worked for basic bread down a mine in Northern England. Sorry, I just will not. I especially will not listen to demands from people who are themselves rich and powerful off the backs of poverty stricken masses in their own countries, who they treat abominably, as they try to deflect with nationalist tripe.

Exactly this.  While India is cultivating a space program their poor people are among the most wretched people on earth.  The appalling poverty, lack of education, rampant corruption at every level and horrific treatment of women means that the Indian government has a lot to do to become a civilised place where civilised people can live and work.  Giving them a gaudy bauble of doubtful provenance won't chane any of that.

what kind of twisted logic is this? So, basically you are saying that only if India will get their problems fixed, then they are worthy of getting gifts? And why are people of India supposed not developed in the first place? Maybe it's because british occupation stunted their growth for 200+ years? Are you even aware of how much wealth was transfered from India to britain?


No kind of twisted logic.  Try to follow.  In reply to the comment above by Gaspode, I said I agreed with him.  I don't feel any kind of guilt about anything I didn't do.  Further to that, I also agreed that demands made by people who have gotten rich by exploiting the poorest in their own country are in no position to make moralistic demands of anyone.  Still with me so far?

OK, here's the bit where I think I lost you.  I think the Indian government would be doing better for their people if they spent their energies on actually fixing all the many and varied things that are wrong with Indian society instead of whining about a lump of carbon that they have no title to.  It's not a question of deserving presents when deemed worthy, it's just that they have no moral high ground to shout from, they have no title to the said lump of carbon and they have more pressing things that need their attention.

No twisted logic involved.  No-one said India had to do their chores before they got pudding.  I think the weight of that chip on your shoulder is not helping with your understanding of plain written English.

FYI - shiatting in the streets and throwing dead bodies in the drinking water are not fine old British customs.   Mote / eye, and all that.
 
2013-02-21 09:56:18 PM
If Britain started to give back the stuff they stole they'd lose 9/10 of the British Museum.
 
2013-02-21 09:58:07 PM

Somacandra: The moral of the story: colonialism sucks ass (the bad kind), no matter how hard Dinesh D'Souza tries to polish that turd.


D'Souza is a think tank hack who will say anything to make a buck.
 
2013-02-21 10:03:11 PM

unlikely: cretinbob: "The right answer is for the British Museum and other cultural institutions to do exactly what they do, which is to link up with other institutions around the world to make sure that the things which we have and look after so well are properly shared with people around the world."

I'm OK with this

I've seen the Elgin marbles, and I've seen the current state of the original from which they were cast. I'm 100% okay with the British Museum hanging on to a great deal of the world's cultural heritage.


When I saw the Elgin marbles there were no guards or security cameras in the room.  So I took one.
 
2013-02-21 10:06:07 PM

Spiralmonkey: andhravodu: Spiralmonkey: gaspode: pstudent12: *EXTENSIVE RAMBLINGS CUT*

And your own country has a history of the exact same at the least. History is the word however.

I WILL NOT feel guilty about stuff done while my ancestors worked for basic bread down a mine in Northern England. Sorry, I just will not. I especially will not listen to demands from people who are themselves rich and powerful off the backs of poverty stricken masses in their own countries, who they treat abominably, as they try to deflect with nationalist tripe.

Exactly this.  While India is cultivating a space program their poor people are among the most wretched people on earth.  The appalling poverty, lack of education, rampant corruption at every level and horrific treatment of women means that the Indian government has a lot to do to become a civilised place where civilised people can live and work.  Giving them a gaudy bauble of doubtful provenance won't chane any of that.

what kind of twisted logic is this? So, basically you are saying that only if India will get their problems fixed, then they are worthy of getting gifts? And why are people of India supposed not developed in the first place? Maybe it's because british occupation stunted their growth for 200+ years? Are you even aware of how much wealth was transfered from India to britain?

No kind of twisted logic.  Try to follow.  In reply to the comment above by Gaspode, I said I agreed with him.  I don't feel any kind of guilt about anything I didn't do.  Further to that, I also agreed that demands made by people who have gotten rich by exploiting the poorest in their own country are in no position to make moralistic demands of anyone.  Still with me so far?

OK, here's the bit where I think I lost you.  I think the Indian government would be doing better for their people if they spent their energies on actually fixing all the many and varied things that are wrong with Indian society instead of whining about a lump of carbon that th ...


FTA: One of the world's largest diamonds, some Indians - including independence leader Mahatma Gandhi's grandson - have demanded its return to atone for Britain's colonial

Keyword being some. It's nothing more than a weasel word and even then, they couldn't find anybody from actual Indian government. So yeah, Indian government isn't losing any sleep over a dumb rock

The appalling poverty, lack of education, rampant corruption at every level and horrific treatment of womenIf I judge a country from Fark headlines, I would have to imagine Britain has got nothing more than a bunch of dumb, drunk chavs get knocked up with their father-in-law and make their living only by sucking on government teat. Sound about right?
FYI - shiatting in the streets and throwing dead bodies in the drinking water are not fine old British customs.   Mote / eye, and all that.Ah, the trump card in any discussion on India. How does this pertain to returning the diamond?
 
2013-02-21 10:10:09 PM

Fano: ITGreen: "One of the world's largest diamonds, some Indians - including independence leader Mahatma Gandhi's grandson - have demanded its return to atone for Britain's colonial past. "

So one diamond will atone for Britain's colonial wrongdoings?  No?  Then giving it back is only the first in a line of  "atonement" gestures to be demanded later by India.

I actually agree with the British on this one; nip this stunt of theirs in the bud.

Is Koh-i-noor the Arkenstone?


It's the Spirit Stone.
 
2013-02-21 10:14:26 PM
ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-02-21 10:26:40 PM
andhravodu: lots of vacuous sophomoric words....

Why would you say I judge anything on Fark headlines?  Please explain your in-depth knowledge of my experiences that would lead you to make such a ridiculous statement.  Do you really think the state that India is in is unknown to anyone who isn't Indian?  The Times of India isnt Fark and they have a lot to say about it, and I have been to India and seen the human detritus that is left on the streets.  It's not a visit I'd care to repeat.  I had such high hopes of finding a vibrant, civilised country and the reality was shocking.

While we're at it, please explain why you think the Indian government have any right to the lump of carbon?
 
2013-02-21 10:51:53 PM
Spiralmonkey: doesn't get the point

While we're at it, please explain why you think the Indian government have any right to the lump of carbon?

read again. Nobody in Indian government has asked for the diamond. But why would the Indian government have any right? It's because it was stolen out of there? And if you think it belongs to the family members of the king from whom it was stolen, well then the system of monarchy/independent rulers was dissolved and their property belongs to Indian government, this automatically qualifies.

Times of India and any other entities are part of Media. By practice they magnify/exaggerate the system

Bunch of words about poverty in India
I have no interest in changing your opinion. Just note that british left india in a very poor state after looting them for 200+ years. The country has recovered quite nicely for it's size in <70 years. You just have to look past the trees, but I doubt you would
 
2013-02-21 11:15:33 PM

DerAppie: you are a puppet: They should give India a glass dragon instead.

SERIOUSLY THOUGH, as a man of Indian descent, the British were real scumbags to my ancestors right up until they left http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre

A real hero was this dude - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udham_Singh

Just a diamond, can't make anything right. But that scumbag country made heroes of those people for showing the upstart Indians who was boss. If Britain want to pretend they've changed, this is one step.

Luckily India never pushed over another country and stole whatever of value that wasn't bolted down (or the equivalent of the time). Otherwise they'd have to start giving everything back to, which we all know would be unreasonable. I mean, they are practically a third world country where most people still shiat in the street while the Brits have nice stuff.

Walker: You are comparing apples and oranges. This is a physical item that was stolen and can be given back. A better comparison would be things the Nazis stole during WW2 from other countries now being in Germany's possessions. The other countries ask for them back and Germany says "F*ck you, we don't believe in returnism".

See the previous bit. If everyone was forced to give things back because they "stole" it by conquest we'd have to start a second one of these. I'm not even going to start about non-territorial possessions. Just the effort in reconstructing every bit of lost loot would cripple the world economy for decades,


Most people in your neighborhood shiat in your moms mouth but that doesn't mean she's not a human being.
 
2013-02-21 11:16:43 PM
d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net
 
2013-02-21 11:18:16 PM
www.epiclol.com
 
2013-02-21 11:20:45 PM

germ78: Fano: germ78: Kinda off-topic in a way, but I was very disappointed by the Hope diamond. I thought it would be a fist-sized gem, but it's only as big as 3 quarters stacked on each other. farking. Lame.

You must have been thinking of the famed Baseball Diamond.

Wasn't that a Duck Tales episode?


24.media.tumblr.com
Not sure if serious
 
2013-02-21 11:25:05 PM

pstudent12: <b>Somacandra</b>:
It's hard to complain too hard about British colonialism. They tended to leave places in better condition than they found them.
\Now Belgian colonialism...

You are totally confused. Belgian colonialism in Africa was a walk in the park, a nice afternoon out with tea, compared to British colonialism.

This is what was done in Sri Lanka and this is a minute, langhable, almost invisible fraction of what was done in India.

http://exiledonline.com/when-pigs-fly-and-scold-brits-le cturing-sr i-la nka/all/1/

quote from above:
What's sick about this is that the British establishment destroyed the Sinhalese people completely. Completely and purposely, sadistically. Stole their land, humiliated and massacred their government, made it Imperial policy to erase every shred of self-respect the Sinhalese had left.  You can talk about the Nazis all day long, but for my money nothing they did was as gross as what you find out when you actually look into the history of British-Sinhalese relations. If you can even call them "relations"; I guess a murder-rape is a relation, sort of.
But nobody knows about it. Weird, huh? Nothing weirds me out more than the total news blackout the Brits have managed to put on all the sick shiat they did to brown and black people all over the world. They had a system, and it worked. They'd grab some paradise island in the tropics, use the Royal Navy to wall it off from the rest of the world, and crush the local tribe. If the locals resisted, the Brits would starve them to death, shoot them down, infect them with smallpox or get them addicted to opium-whatever they had to do to gang-rape the locals so bad that they'd lose the will to resist.

And to this day, they don't catch even a little bit of Hell for it. Everybody thinks the Brits are all cute and harmless. You're all a bunch of suckers for those suave accents, you suckers! The truth is that compared to the Brits, the Nazis you're always yammering about were a gang of ...


www.modernjediknight.com

What are you talking about? The British accent is a mark of evil known throughout the galaxy.
 
2013-02-21 11:25:07 PM

gaspode: pstudent12: *EXTENSIVE RAMBLINGS CUT*

And your own country has a history of the exact same at the least. History is the word however.

I WILL NOT feel guilty about stuff done while my ancestors worked for basic bread down a mine in Northern England. Sorry, I just will not. I especially will not listen to demands from people who are themselves rich and powerful off the backs of poverty stricken masses in their own countries, who they treat abominably, as they try to deflect with nationalist tripe.


Me farkin' too. My ancestors were probably in the same mine as yours: around Newcastle. Being white does not make me responsible for the sins of others.
 
2013-02-22 12:07:25 AM
Farxist Marxist:

Me farkin' too. My ancestors were probably in the same mine as yours: around Newcastle. Being white does not make me responsible for the sins of others.

Yep, my mothers father was a Newcastle miner from many generations of same. My fathers side were midlands miners. My father started in the mines ffs (quit after a year and trained as an engineer because he didn't want to die of lung disease like his dad). They never oppressed anyone and didnt gain a farking thing from anyone else doing so.
 
2013-02-22 12:49:56 AM
Meh, that's diamond's been taken as war booty from a succession of rulers in India by a Persian ruler, taken as war booty by a Afghani ruler from the Persian ruler, then taken as war booty back to India from Afghanistan, before the British took it.

It's only fair that the next person to gain possession of the diamond is forced to do it by ripping it out of the dying hands of the last possessor.
 
2013-02-22 01:56:41 AM

ObeliskToucher: Serve them right if the Brits, given its ownership history (mostly Punjab, with late ownership by Sikh & Moghul Empires), "gave it back" to Pakistan...


Yes, admittedly most of my knowledge on the subject comes from Flashman, but I was wondering why the fark India thinks a diamond we took as spoils for conquering Lahore, which is in Pakistan, somehow belongs to them.
 
2013-02-22 01:58:25 AM

p the boiler: I hope no Americans comment on this on behalf of India - unless of course you are down with giving the native americans back everything that was taken from them


Meh.

If you aren't strong enough to keep it, any man can take it from you.

The red man lost, the white man won.
 
2013-02-22 03:50:30 AM

ITGreen: "One of the world's largest diamonds, some Indians - including independence leader Mahatma Gandhi's grandson - have demanded its return to atone for Britain's colonial past. "

So one diamond will atone for Britain's colonial wrongdoings?  No?  Then giving it back is only the first in a line of  "atonement" gestures to be demanded later by India.

I actually agree with the British on this one; nip this stunt of theirs in the bud.


Exactly this.

What's done is done. Move on, because nobody is going to get everything their culture considered theirs back after hundreds of years, just for the asking.
 
2013-02-22 04:33:05 AM

andhravodu: I think you came off a little condescending in your description of India. Your impressions of India are a little dated. The rich class in India is comparable to any of the world's elite. The middle class has been enjoying a boom of sorts. Until 5-10 years ago, almost every body who got the chance immigrated to firstworld countries, but with the depresssion and newer opportunities, there is a lot of reverse migration back to India.


It was meant to be condescending and I know things have greatly improved over the years. It was just the kind of argument India would have made if people started to demand various items back from them. That they are a poor country and thus are somehow exempt, but Great Britain is in Europe and European countries were the last countries which did the whole "sail around the world for plunder" bit, and they profited greatly because of it. Therefore it would be somehow logical that Great Britain has to give shiat back while you never read anything about India offering to give countries back the stuff that was plundered from them 150+ years ago.

You also don't read that the stone has to go back to the descendants of the first owner, from whom it was also confiscated by someone with a bigger stick. No, it somehow needs to go back to the last owner before Great Britain got their hands on it because if Brits steal something it is terribly wrong. Even if that item was only in the possession of the robbed party because of thievery/conquest somewhere else in the past. That stone changed hands with every regime change.
 
2013-02-22 04:40:56 AM
Being rich and white means never having to say you're sorry.
 
2013-02-22 06:09:25 AM

Treygreen13: Fano: germ78: Kinda off-topic in a way, but I was very disappointed by the Hope diamond. I thought it would be a fist-sized gem, but it's only as big as 3 quarters stacked on each other. farking. Lame.

You must have been thinking of the famed Baseball Diamond.

The Cullinan Diamond was fist-sized.


I blame you for the 3 hours I just lost learning about many different diamonds, the British Crown Jewels, Oliver Cromwell, the Norman invasion, the Wars of the Three Kingdoms, castle construction, and various British parliaments.
 
2013-02-22 06:19:23 AM

Walker: Kahabut: PsiChick: Walker: "I certainly don't believe in 'returnism', as it were. I don't think that's sensible."

So you don't believe in "returnism" but you believe in stealing. Cool ethics bro!

THIS. Even if you're not giving it back, at least try and pretend you understand you stole it. FFS. I can understand why you wouldn't want to return it, politics is a dirty game, but you farked up, admit it and move on.

Funny thing, HE didn't steal it.  He wasn't even farking alive when it happened.  So no, he really doesn't need to understand that.

This is exactly like the blacks demanding reparations for slavery, in the United States.  fark you.  You weren't a slave, so unless you are going to do forced labor for the next few years, you aren't getting any reparations.  Wellfare I guess isn't a reparation.

You are comparing apples and oranges. This is a physical item that was stolen and can be given back. A better comparison would be things the Nazis stole during WW2 from other countries now being in Germany's possessions. The other countries ask for them back and Germany says "F*ck you, we don't believe in returnism".


So who do you propose the diamond be given back to? The people who stole it, then gave it to Britain willingly?
 
2013-02-22 09:26:01 AM

pstudent12: FTDA: NightOwl2255: you are a puppet: SERIOUSLY THOUGH, as a man of Indian descent...

I'm 1/256 Indian (Cherokee). Sure, it's not much, but I did get $2000 a year for college, and I can get free medical care and medicine if I want to go to the Indian clinic.

/Feather, not Ruby.

Do you know why Indian women have a red dot on their forehead?  So when they get married their husband can scratch it off to see if he won a 7-11.

/I keed!

The red dot is called a laltika. Along with the swastika, they are both shubhtikas and are a core part of the Aryan religion (Hinduism from the holy (v)Eddas)


Awarded for killing a perfectly good joke.
i1197.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-22 11:04:00 AM

FTDA: pstudent12: FTDA: NightOwl2255: you are a puppet: SERIOUSLY THOUGH, as a man of Indian descent...

I'm 1/256 Indian (Cherokee). Sure, it's not much, but I did get $2000 a year for college, and I can get free medical care and medicine if I want to go to the Indian clinic.

/Feather, not Ruby.

Do you know why Indian women have a red dot on their forehead?  So when they get married their husband can scratch it off to see if he won a 7-11.

/I keed!

The red dot is called a laltika. Along with the swastika, they are both shubhtikas and are a core part of the Aryan religion (Hinduism from the holy (v)Eddas)

Awarded for killing a perfectly good joke.


The truth is it's from their dads poking them in the forehead and asking "why are you so farking ugly?"
 
2013-02-22 01:23:08 PM
They stole it fair and square.
 
2013-02-22 02:19:27 PM
Among countries, there is a general dichotomy: You have the plunderers and you have the plunderees.

Some fellow wrote a book on animal herding versus farming cultures. I wonder how the plunderer/plunderee grouping overlaps the herder/farmer grouping.
 
2013-02-22 02:54:42 PM

brap: MBooda: [www.culturewars.org.uk image 850x581] France to Egypt:
[www.crystalinks.com image 700x581]
/history is plunder

I know you will never believe this but London and Paris' Cleopatra's needles were actually gifts from Muhammad Ali.


Huh, just like Ken Norton's win in '73.
 
2013-02-22 03:01:46 PM

JungleBoogie: Among countries, there is a general dichotomy: You have the plunderers and you have the plunderees.


Don't forget the plunderoos.

/which are full of booty
 
2013-02-22 10:08:15 PM
Colonials are dicks.

Fun fact: For whatever reason, Cambodia wanted to pave the floor of their Pagoda of the Jade Buddha with silver. Their colonists France said "No problem! We'll make the tiles for you as a show of of how nice we are!"

So Cambodia sent them 20+ tons of silver. The returned tiles weighed about 1/3 of that in total, and the tiles all had four fleur-de-lis stamped on both sides.
 
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