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2013-02-21 04:47:36 PM  
Sorry India. You should have thought of this before you handed it over.
 
2013-02-21 04:49:36 PM  

Treygreen13: Englebert Slaptyback: Treygreen13

They're not even really a big secret anymore. You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.


URL or we'll be forced to call shenanigans.

http://www.diamondnexus.com/round-brilliant-cut-classic-series.html

You can get a 4.91 carat synthetic diamond from them for less than 500. If you want to go comically large they offer a 16 carat diamond for $1600. Please don't do that, though. Nobody will believe you've got the scratch for a 16 carat diamond unless people think you've got a cool mil lying around just for rings.


Diamond Nexus, at least last time I looked a them, sells diamond stimulants.  If you look at their dispersion and hardness figures they don't line up with real diamonds.  Maybe they changed their business model, but last I looked they weren't actual lab made diamonds.
 
2013-02-21 04:51:55 PM  
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

What's going on in this thread?
 
2013-02-21 04:53:23 PM  

durbnpoisn: Here is the thing about pricing diamonds.  The things are only worth what someone will pay.  You could argue that they ~100 karat diamond in the Queen's crown could be worth millions.  But in reality, it's sitting in a case in London, and will never be sold to anyone.  Ever.  So, it's effectively worthless.

A couple of days ago, there was a crazy robbery at an airport in Europe (somewhere).  They made off with like $50 million (or something like that), in loose diamonds.  How much are they really worth?  If they can get anyone to by them at all, considering how hot they are, they will sell for pennies compared to their supposed worth.


I disagree with all that
 
2013-02-21 04:55:22 PM  

under a mountain: [encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 240x210]

What's going on in this thread?


That nazi-loving Ghandi is an Indian giver who wants his hunk of carbon back from the pasty, stupid Brits.
 
2013-02-21 04:56:41 PM  
152 comments, and not one picture of the damned thing? Fark, I am disappoint.
 
2013-02-21 04:56:41 PM  
Perhaps the Brits could send a terse but elegant telegram to them. Something like.... "Peccavi"
 
2013-02-21 04:57:19 PM  

under a mountain: [encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 240x210]

What's going on in this thread?


Unless, that's it. Yes?
 
2013-02-21 04:57:59 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Treygreen13: Englebert Slaptyback: Treygreen13

They're not even really a big secret anymore. You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.


URL or we'll be forced to call shenanigans.

http://www.diamondnexus.com/round-brilliant-cut-classic-series.html

You can get a 4.91 carat synthetic diamond from them for less than 500. If you want to go comically large they offer a 16 carat diamond for $1600. Please don't do that, though. Nobody will believe you've got the scratch for a 16 carat diamond unless people think you've got a cool mil lying around just for rings.

Diamond Nexus, at least last time I looked a them, sells diamond stimulants.  If you look at their dispersion and hardness figures they don't line up with real diamonds.  Maybe they changed their business model, but last I looked they weren't actual lab made diamonds.


Indistinguishable to the naked eye, though. Yeah, they are simulants. But if you gave one to a girl, put it in a nice setting, and showed her friends they wouldn't bust out the microscopes and start checking to see if the facets are naturally occurring.

I can see how it's not technically a diamond. But if it's indistinguishable to the naked eye and a tiny fraction of the price of an artificially price-inflated rock mined by slave labor, then it's the same to me.

/I have never bought one
//just know they're out there
 
2013-02-21 04:58:15 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

Ta da!
 
2013-02-21 04:58:20 PM  
images2.wikia.nocookie.net

I am Ganesh! This angers me! Give it back or all will die!
 
2013-02-21 04:58:30 PM  
Another reason why everyone everywhere has fond loving memories of the Brits!!!
 
2013-02-21 04:58:43 PM  
maybe now you will fight harder next time.
 
2013-02-21 04:58:47 PM  

This text is now purple: Somacandra: The moral of the story: colonialism sucks ass (the bad kind), no matter how hard Dinesh D'Souza tries to polish that turd.

It's hard to complain too hard about British colonialism. They tended to leave places in better condition than they found them.

\Now Belgian colonialism...


+1 and then some
 
2013-02-21 04:58:57 PM  

relcec: durbnpoisn: Here is the thing about pricing diamonds.  The things are only worth what someone will pay.  You could argue that they ~100 karat diamond in the Queen's crown could be worth millions.  But in reality, it's sitting in a case in London, and will never be sold to anyone.  Ever.  So, it's effectively worthless.

A couple of days ago, there was a crazy robbery at an airport in Europe (somewhere).  They made off with like $50 million (or something like that), in loose diamonds.  How much are they really worth?  If they can get anyone to by them at all, considering how hot they are, they will sell for pennies compared to their supposed worth.

I disagree with all that


Sorry for being all logical and stuff.
 
2013-02-21 04:59:07 PM  

Treygreen13: Perhaps. However, you're forgetting tha:

#1. Deadliest Warrior is a one on one competition (or at least it was when the Apache won) so there is no Phalanx formation.
#2. The Roman Gladiator, in this case, is equipped with a rather small shield - one about the size and weight expected of a gladiator. Remember, the point of the battle was offense, blood, kills.
#3. The fight occurs (in this scenario) in the woods and at range. Not exactly "home turf" for the Gladiator.
#4. The Gladiator comes to battle with a net. I mean, come on. A net.


May as well have made the gladiator naked and only holding a nerf dildo and the Apache swinging a chainsaw. Talk about a rigged fight in the name of Political Correctness.
 
2013-02-21 04:59:23 PM  

durbnpoisn: Englebert Slaptyback: Treygreen13

They're not even really a big secret anymore. You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.


URL or we'll be forced to call shenanigans.

In about 5 minutes, I found a site that makes synthetic stones.  Many of the synthetics they sell must be really sloppily made, because they retail for like $15.  However, a 1-karat pure carbon diamong goes for roughly $4000.


What's the point of paying $4000 for a low-quality lab diamond when a low-quality natural diamond goes for the same price? Blue Nile has a 1 carat J/SI2/fair for $3300.


ha-ha-guy: http://www.diamondnexus.com/round-brilliant-cut-classic-series.html

You can get a 4.91 carat synthetic diamond from them for less than 500. If you want to go comically large they offer a 16 carat diamond for $1600. Please don't do that, though. Nobody will believe you've got the scratch for a 16 carat diamond unless people think you've got a cool mil lying around just for rings.

Diamond Nexus, at least last time I looked a them, sells diamond stimulants.  If you look at their dispersion and hardness figures they don't line up with real diamonds.  Maybe they changed their business model, but last I looked they weren't actual lab made diamonds.


Those look like cubic zirconias. CZ have always been cheap. Their "pure carbon" stuff is just as expensive as natural diamonds.
 
2013-02-21 05:00:26 PM  
To hell with pointing a nuke at them just bring  a big suitcase with a nuke in it and hide it somewhere in London and then call the PM's bluff;
give them 24hr to return it or "Kaboom"
 
2013-02-21 05:00:46 PM  

Treygreen13: #4. The Gladiator comes to battle with a net. I mean, come on. A net.


yeah, but......that was bullshiat!  did they not see Gladiator?  that show is a fraud!  no freaking way apache warrior beats russell crowe!  no way!  no freaking way!  Tyberius Maximus was a warrior, man!  gladiator was awesome!  apache warrior only had a bow and arrow!  that was bullshiat!
 
2013-02-21 05:00:54 PM  
Why not offer them a large Cubic zirconia as a gesture of goodwill? Make them honorary guests at the next big fancy hat convention.
 
2013-02-21 05:01:40 PM  
You know, they took away all the guns in India just so they could steal away their jewels.

When you look around and wonder where Katy Perry, Kate Upton, and Scarlett Johansson have gone, check up at the big house.

THANKS, OBAMA!
 
2013-02-21 05:01:59 PM  

This text is now purple: Somacandra: The moral of the story: colonialism sucks ass (the bad kind), no matter how hard Dinesh D'Souza tries to polish that turd.

It's hard to complain too hard about British colonialism. They tended to leave places in better condition than they found them.

\Now Belgian colonialism...


you are kidding ...right?
 
2013-02-21 05:02:04 PM  

Theory Of Null: Why not offer them a large Cubic zirconia as a gesture of goodwill? Make them honorary guests at the next big fancy hat convention.


wrong Indian
 
2013-02-21 05:02:38 PM  

rf134a


What's the point of paying $4000 for a low-quality lab diamond when a low-quality natural diamond goes for the same price? Blue Nile has a 1 carat J/SI2/fair for $3300.


J color?? Fair?? One may as well pick up a piece of quartz off the ground.
 
2013-02-21 05:04:49 PM  
ITGreen
So one diamond will atone for Britain's colonial wrongdoings?  No?  Then giving it back is only the first in a line of  "atonement" gestures to be demanded later by India.

I actually agree with the British on this one; nip this stunt of theirs in the bud.


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2013-02-21 05:06:16 PM  
How do we sleep while our beds are burning?
 
2013-02-21 05:07:32 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: rf134a

What's the point of paying $4000 for a low-quality lab diamond when a low-quality natural diamond goes for the same price? Blue Nile has a 1 carat J/SI2/fair for $3300.


J color?? Fair?? One may as well pick up a piece of quartz off the ground.

shapingperceptions.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-21 05:07:51 PM  

HailRobonia: Maybe Britain will return it in exchange for getting cricket back.


img62.imageshack.us
Nicely executed.
 
2013-02-21 05:08:14 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Treygreen13: Englebert Slaptyback: Treygreen13

They're not even really a big secret anymore. You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.


URL or we'll be forced to call shenanigans.

http://www.diamondnexus.com/round-brilliant-cut-classic-series.html

You can get a 4.91 carat synthetic diamond from them for less than 500. If you want to go comically large they offer a 16 carat diamond for $1600. Please don't do that, though. Nobody will believe you've got the scratch for a 16 carat diamond unless people think you've got a cool mil lying around just for rings.

Diamond Nexus, at least last time I looked a them, sells diamond stimulants.  If you look at their dispersion and hardness figures they don't line up with real diamonds.  Maybe they changed their business model, but last I looked they weren't actual lab made diamonds.


If you look at their FAQ page, you can see that they are selling a type of hardened CZ. It's really bit of misrepresentation if you ask me. It's not "diamond" at all. In fact, if you read their FAQ, they actually state that little of their stones is Carbon.
 
2013-02-21 05:08:51 PM  

TheWhoppah: How do we sleep while our beds are burning?


The sheets are asbestos.
 
2013-02-21 05:09:35 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Treygreen13

They're not even really a big secret anymore. You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.


URL or we'll be forced to call shenanigans.


This is just one site.  They have a 3ct heart cut, "glacial ice," colored synthetic diamond for $289.
http://www.diamondnexus.com/pure-carbon-man-made-diamonds.html?gclid =C MHftZ20yLUCFZCf4AodU3wA6A
 
2013-02-21 05:11:41 PM  

HailRobonia: Maybe Britain will return it in exchange for getting cricket back.


Indeed, I missed that.  Nice.
 
2013-02-21 05:14:11 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Treygreen13: Perhaps. However, you're forgetting tha:

#1. Deadliest Warrior is a one on one competition (or at least it was when the Apache won) so there is no Phalanx formation.
#2. The Roman Gladiator, in this case, is equipped with a rather small shield - one about the size and weight expected of a gladiator. Remember, the point of the battle was offense, blood, kills.
#3. The fight occurs (in this scenario) in the woods and at range. Not exactly "home turf" for the Gladiator.
#4. The Gladiator comes to battle with a net. I mean, come on. A net.

May as well have made the gladiator naked and only holding a nerf dildo and the Apache swinging a chainsaw. Talk about a rigged fight in the name of Political Correctness.


It is by no means a fair fight. Some of the choices they make for certain fighters/groups are silly. The most egregiously bad weapon choice was the Somali Pirate getting the "Grappling Hook" as their melee weapon. Of course, that hilariously bad weapon choice didn't change the fact that they won.

Perhaps the worst weapon of all time was the SWAT Team's Taser Shockwave, which was basically a Claymore that shot taser prongs. It, predictably, did not kill anyone.
 
2013-02-21 05:14:18 PM  

vudukungfu: Ebba dabba dooba, surley they weel geeve eet back.
Yeah, How about you guys figure out how to use flush toilets, drink clean water, get the cows off the streets, stop stampeding your own people during religious parties, and kick the Muslim psychos out, first, and then we'll talk.
About hiring you back as houseboy.


Most if Europe can't stop people from being crushed during soccer games.
 
2013-02-21 05:16:11 PM  

iserlohn: ha-ha-guy: Treygreen13: Englebert Slaptyback: Treygreen13

They're not even really a big secret anymore. You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.


URL or we'll be forced to call shenanigans.

http://www.diamondnexus.com/round-brilliant-cut-classic-series.html

You can get a 4.91 carat synthetic diamond from them for less than 500. If you want to go comically large they offer a 16 carat diamond for $1600. Please don't do that, though. Nobody will believe you've got the scratch for a 16 carat diamond unless people think you've got a cool mil lying around just for rings.

Diamond Nexus, at least last time I looked a them, sells diamond stimulants.  If you look at their dispersion and hardness figures they don't line up with real diamonds.  Maybe they changed their business model, but last I looked they weren't actual lab made diamonds.

If you look at their FAQ page, you can see that they are selling a type of hardened CZ. It's really bit of misrepresentation if you ask me. It's not "diamond" at all. In fact, if you read their FAQ, they actually state that little of their stones is Carbon.


True. Of course, if you never told anyone and never tried to sell it as a diamond, nobody would ever know.

Whether or not it's made in a lab, mined by a slave, or something else entirely really doesn't change the fact that they're virtually indistinguishable and make girls go "ooooh".
 
2013-02-21 05:18:20 PM  

Fano: germ78: Kinda off-topic in a way, but I was very disappointed by the Hope diamond. I thought it would be a fist-sized gem, but it's only as big as 3 quarters stacked on each other. farking. Lame.

You must have been thinking of the famed Baseball Diamond.


Wasn't that a Duck Tales episode?
 
2013-02-21 05:19:29 PM  

phalamir: r1niceboy: Britain could always say, "We accept this gem, and the curry, in payment for your country not being ruled by men in pajamas, being a literate society, a democracy, giving your educated sons and daughters a place to earn a decent living, and less of a third world shiathole than would otherwise have been the case. You're welcome!"

You do realize that India fell into shiatholism because the EIC raped it blind, right?  Bengal was a top producer of cotton goods, for example, before the EIC got ahold of it - and got turned into a complete importer of sloth by the EIC taking a flame-thrower to the local economy  One o0f the things that allowed Britain to be the premier commercial empire was because it was yanking stuff out of India for cheap and then selling the largess at top-shelf prices.  Educating the Indians wasn't something done to help the Indians, but because the British needed more clerks than they could reasonably expect to ship over from Dorset.  and the idea was educate the Indians to show them that they were inferior to the British, so the Indians would serve as grateful inferiors to Britain.  It would be like saying Afro-Americans should be glad the Southern gentry taught them Western agricultural practices.  As far as democracy, the British fought tooth and nail to deny India any sort of democratic process.  When Canada was getting Dominion status (and the Americans had had local assemblies while colonies), Britain was actively tightening restrictions in India. At best, it was "you can be selected for a minority of seats in this completely toothless assembly that the Viceroy won't even pretend to listen to".  Number of Indian seats in Parliament?  Zero.  Number of local, democratic assemblies in India with deomcratically elected officials?  Zero. Anything India got from Britain was in spite of, not because of the British.


Sounds like the British Empire was doing it exaclty RIGHT.
 
2013-02-21 05:19:29 PM  

phalamir: oldfarthenry: "The diamond had been set in the crown of the current Queen Elizabeth's late mother."

The old broad is dead - what does she care? Give the goddamn thing back!

The article is imprecise.  The kiN is set in the Queen-Consort's crown.  The Queen Mother was simply the last woman to wear it, being the last Queen Consort.  It wasn't her personal jewelry.  Supposedly, the thing is cursed, but only if you are a man.  So, by putting it in the Queen Consort's crown was supposed to insure it would never be worn by a man again.


Additionally, the diamond was a gift from an Indian Governor of some sort - so you know - they are being "Indian Givers" here.
 
2013-02-21 05:20:21 PM  

oldfarthenry: JesusJuice: To the victor go the spoils.

Nope. Modern warfare dictates "If you bombed it - you bought it".
Good luck paying off all that collateral damage in Iraq.


i805.photobucket.com

That country was already messed up before we got there!
 
2013-02-21 05:22:54 PM  
If they keep biatching about it and finally get too annoying, return it in the form of billions of little chips.
 
2013-02-21 05:23:04 PM  

NightOwl2255: you are a puppet: SERIOUSLY THOUGH, as a man of Indian descent...

I'm 1/256 Indian (Cherokee). Sure, it's not much, but I did get $2000 a year for college, and I can get free medical care and medicine if I want to go to the Indian clinic.

/Feather, not Ruby.


Do you know why Indian women have a red dot on their forehead?  So when they get married their husband can scratch it off to see if he won a 7-11.

/I keed!
 
2013-02-21 05:27:58 PM  

Kahabut: PsiChick: Walker: "I certainly don't believe in 'returnism', as it were. I don't think that's sensible."

So you don't believe in "returnism" but you believe in stealing. Cool ethics bro!

THIS. Even if you're not giving it back, at least try and pretend you understand you stole it. FFS. I can understand why you wouldn't want to return it, politics is a dirty game, but you farked up, admit it and move on.

Funny thing, HE didn't steal it.  He wasn't even farking alive when it happened.  So no, he really doesn't need to understand that.

This is exactly like the blacks demanding reparations for slavery, in the United States.  fark you.  You weren't a slave, so unless you are going to do forced labor for the next few years, you aren't getting any reparations.  Wellfare I guess isn't a reparation.


You ever represented a company before? Did you personally believe the Ecto-Cooler you were selling cured cancer? Nope, but that company sure did. So you opened your mouth and said Ecto-Cooler cured cancer. And thus, when the lawsuit hit,  you weren't sued as a person, the  company was sued for making false statements.

That's how spokespeople work. He did not personally steal it, or he'd be in farking jail. But the country he's representing did.
 
2013-02-21 05:29:04 PM  

PsiChick: Kahabut: PsiChick: Walker: "I certainly don't believe in 'returnism', as it were. I don't think that's sensible."

So you don't believe in "returnism" but you believe in stealing. Cool ethics bro!

THIS. Even if you're not giving it back, at least try and pretend you understand you stole it. FFS. I can understand why you wouldn't want to return it, politics is a dirty game, but you farked up, admit it and move on.

Funny thing, HE didn't steal it.  He wasn't even farking alive when it happened.  So no, he really doesn't need to understand that.

This is exactly like the blacks demanding reparations for slavery, in the United States.  fark you.  You weren't a slave, so unless you are going to do forced labor for the next few years, you aren't getting any reparations.  Wellfare I guess isn't a reparation.

You ever represented a company before? Did you personally believe the Ecto-Cooler you were selling cured cancer? Nope, but that company sure did. So you opened your mouth and said Ecto-Cooler cured cancer. And thus, when the lawsuit hit,  you weren't sued as a person, the  company was sued for making false statements.

That's how spokespeople work. He did not personally steal it, or he'd be in farking jail. But the country he's representing did.


Wait... Ecto-Cooler doesn't cure cancer?!
 
2013-02-21 05:29:59 PM  

kimwim: 152 comments, and not one picture of the damned thing? Fark, I am disappoint.


Well I just bought it, so here's a pic
www.stargrocery.com.hk
Only 15 bucks and the store had another 5 of them. What's the big deal?
 
2013-02-21 05:30:15 PM  

unlikely: cretinbob: "The right answer is for the British Museum and other cultural institutions to do exactly what they do, which is to link up with other institutions around the world to make sure that the things which we have and look after so well are properly shared with people around the world."

I'm OK with this

I've seen the Elgin marbles, and I've seen the current state of the original from which they were cast. I'm 100% okay with the British Museum hanging on to a great deal of the world's cultural heritage.


Yeah cuz diamonds degrade in the elements so rapidly.
 
2013-02-21 05:32:19 PM  
I stole some money from the bank and they wanted it back, so I told them I didn't believe in "returnism" and that giving back the money would not be the right approach. It isn't sensible.
 
2013-02-21 05:32:55 PM  

HailRobonia: Maybe Britain will return it in exchange for getting cricket back.


Is that anything like tennis elbow? "Right-ho, my fine foreign chap, but I shall only give you this fabulously valuable gemstone if you give me a painful physical malady in return."
 
2013-02-21 05:46:59 PM  

johnnyq: I'm all for acknowledging our forebears mistakes and making up where we can, but Sir Harry Paget Flashman, VC, KCB, KCIE, didn't go through all that trouble during the First Sikh War smuggling the Koh-i-Noor out just to have it handed right back.


Flashman in less than 100 posts.  Not all bad.
 
2013-02-21 05:47:14 PM  

rickythepenguin: Treygreen13: #4. The Gladiator comes to battle with a net. I mean, come on. A net.

yeah, but......that was bullshiat!  did they not see Gladiator?  that show is a fraud!  no freaking way apache warrior beats russell crowe!  no way!  no freaking way!  Tyberius Maximus was a warrior, man!  gladiator was awesome!  apache warrior only had a bow and arrow!  that was bullshiat!


was your friend ralph cifaretto?
 
2013-02-21 05:47:33 PM  
Serve them right if the Brits, given its ownership history (mostly Punjab, with late ownership by Sikh & Moghul Empires), "gave it back" to Pakistan...
 
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