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2013-02-21 04:06:41 PM  

fozziewazzi: Stuff taken before the Indians had a flag don't count.


hollywoodnose.com

It's the rules.
 
2013-02-21 04:06:56 PM  
Dear 'merikuh, honestly - we don't want you to return Detroit. Keep it  - PLEASE!

Kisses
Canuckistan
 
2013-02-21 04:07:15 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Gordon Bennett: As for returning their treasures, India is free to wait along with Greece and Egypt.

Given the state of Greece and Egypt at this point, it may be for the best if Britain keeps them.

You can have them back when you prove to us that you're not going to destroy them in a riot or civil war.


Not unless Greece is in a position to pay for the Elgin marbles, which were sold by Greece to Britain.
 
2013-02-21 04:07:32 PM  

Treygreen13


They're not even really a big secret anymore. You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.


URL or we'll be forced to call shenanigans.
 
2013-02-21 04:09:23 PM  
I certainly don't believe in 'returnism', as it were. I don't think that's sensible.

What a polite way to say "fark you".
 
2013-02-21 04:09:35 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: You can have them back when you prove to us that you're not going to destroy them in a riot or civil war.


or a nice sectarian truck bombing.
 
2013-02-21 04:09:48 PM  
Sure, when Morgoth hands over the Silmarils back to Feanor.
 
2013-02-21 04:09:54 PM  

Treygreen13: You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.


that's all well and good, but I don't think my wife would much appreciate my girlfriend going Operation Codename:  Chuck Yeager on her Victoria's Secrets.
 
2013-02-21 04:10:09 PM  
I'm guessing if you replaced Britain with Nazi Germany and India with Jews, people might have a different take on the subject.
 
2013-02-21 04:10:29 PM  

Ivo Shandor: give me doughnuts: How are they going to get to England? The Indian Navy? How much air-lift capacity does the Indian Air Force have?

I don't know about their air force, but they have been launching their own satellites since 1980.



I'm sure that will be very helpful for landing troops on British soil.
 
2013-02-21 04:12:41 PM  

give me doughnuts: Ivo Shandor: give me doughnuts: How are they going to get to England? The Indian Navy? How much air-lift capacity does the Indian Air Force have?

I don't know about their air force, but they have been launching their own satellites since 1980.


I'm sure that will be very helpful for landing troops on British soil.


Nope, but it'll make a nice ICBM.

(I'm pretty sure that was the point that went sailing over your head somewhere near stratospheric)
 
2013-02-21 04:12:43 PM  

peasants_are_revolting: This text is now purple: Somacandra: The moral of the story: colonialism sucks ass (the bad kind), no matter how hard Dinesh D'Souza tries to polish that turd.

It's hard to complain too hard about British colonialism. They tended to leave places in better condition than they found them.

\Now Belgian colonialism...

Exactly. Most of the places the Brits colonized would have zero infrastructure if they hadn't been there. I get tired of former colonies, particularly on the African continent, blaming all of their problems on the West.


Didn't britain start i's colonization in the 1600's?  When infrastructure was dirt roads?  And largely depended on slave labour?  Such as the original infrastructure of America?  I'm really not an expert, but it seems like britain gave infrastructure that they wouldn't have had like Iraq now has infrastructure like they wouldn't have had.  In fact, wasn't the Caribbean colonies in the 18th century populated 3/4ths by African slaves?
 
2013-02-21 04:14:14 PM  

cgraves67: Treygreen13: rickythepenguin: hitlersbrain: You can grow diamonds pretty cheap in a lab. They are actually quite worthless. The only way to tell which ones were dug out of the ground by some dying African slave worker is by looking for the imperfections that are hard to fake. The more perfect the diamond, the less value it has.


Joe Rogan mentioned that recently on his podcast.  he was taken to some top secret facility in I think Russia, (he had to leave his iPod / smartphone so it couldn't make a GPS track of where he went) and engineers had perfected the synthetic diamond.  as you said, the synthetics was technically more "pure" (and thus, you'd think 'perfect') than "organic" diamonds, but were bizarrely nowhere near as valuable.  people would rather have the real thing, even with microscopic imperfections, than an artifical object that was technically a "better" product.

They're not even really a big secret anymore. You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.

That last sentence got a good laugh out of me.


I wouldn't trust rogan about anything outside his area of expertise: drugs, the mma, and ancient aliens. If he says what allows apraissers to differntiate the two are organic are flawed while synthetic are perfect I'd put money on him being at least half wrong.
 
2013-02-21 04:14:46 PM  
They should give India a glass dragon instead.

SERIOUSLY THOUGH, as a man of Indian descent, the British were real scumbags to my ancestors right up until they left http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre

A real hero was this dude - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udham_Singh

Just a diamond, can't make anything right. But that scumbag country made heroes of those people for showing the upstart Indians who was boss. If Britain want to pretend they've changed, this is one step.
 
2013-02-21 04:14:49 PM  
To the victor go the spoils.
 
2013-02-21 04:14:49 PM  

phalamir: r1niceboy: Britain could always say, "We accept this gem, and the curry, in payment for your country not being ruled by men in pajamas, being a literate society, a democracy, giving your educated sons and daughters a place to earn a decent living, and less of a third world shiathole than would otherwise have been the case. You're welcome!"

You do realize that India fell into shiatholism because the EIC raped it blind, right?  Bengal was a top producer of cotton goods, for example, before the EIC got ahold of it - and got turned into a complete importer of sloth by the EIC taking a flame-thrower to the local economy  One o0f the things that allowed Britain to be the premier commercial empire was because it was yanking stuff out of India for cheap and then selling the largess at top-shelf prices.  Educating the Indians wasn't something done to help the Indians, but because the British needed more clerks than they could reasonably expect to ship over from Dorset.  and the idea was educate the Indians to show them that they were inferior to the British, so the Indians would serve as grateful inferiors to Britain.  It would be like saying Afro-Americans should be glad the Southern gentry taught them Western agricultural practices.  As far as democracy, the British fought tooth and nail to deny India any sort of democratic process.  When Canada was getting Dominion status (and the Americans had had local assemblies while colonies), Britain was actively tightening restrictions in India. At best, it was "you can be selected for a minority of seats in this completely toothless assembly that the Viceroy won't even pretend to listen to".  Number of Indian seats in Parliament?  Zero.  Number of local, democratic assemblies in India with deomcratically elected officials?  Zero. Anything India got from Britain was in spite of, not because of the British.


See also: Why Iran hates us, and has every right to hate us, and why it is Britain's fault
 
2013-02-21 04:17:03 PM  
Would YOU give back a huge diamond to a nation of people that drinks water out of a river where they dump corpses and oxen sh*t into?
 
2013-02-21 04:17:30 PM  
the best precious stone i ever saw belonged to a bald headed happy overweight bartender at Little Joe's. Kenny the bartender was fond of placing a large fake Ruby in his belly button and displaying it to patrons with pride, referring to the decoration as his "sex stone".

/ RIP Kenny, you were one of the good ones
 
2013-02-21 04:19:19 PM  

JesusJuice: To the victor go the spoils.


Nope. Modern warfare dictates "If you bombed it - you bought it".
Good luck paying off all that collateral damage in Iraq.
 
2013-02-21 04:22:49 PM  

Kahabut: give me doughnuts: Ivo Shandor: give me doughnuts: How are they going to get to England? The Indian Navy? How much air-lift capacity does the Indian Air Force have?

I don't know about their air force, but they have been launching their own satellites since 1980.


I'm sure that will be very helpful for landing troops on British soil.

Nope, but it'll make a nice ICBM.

(I'm pretty sure that was the point that went sailing over your head somewhere near stratospheric)


If I had been commenting on the nukes versus nukes comments, then it may have applied. But since it was about Sikhs versus SAS, then it is just a non sequitur.

Or did that point go over your head?
 
2013-02-21 04:22:53 PM  

you are a puppet: SERIOUSLY THOUGH, as a man of Indian descent

...

I'm 1/256 Indian (Cherokee). Sure, it's not much, but I did get $2000 a year for college, and I can get free medical care and medicine if I want to go to the Indian clinic.

/Feather, not Ruby.
 
2013-02-21 04:23:03 PM  

rickythepenguin: MythDragon: Edge: British Military with aircraft carriers, Apaches, and cluster bombs"

ha.  when that show was popping, there was an episode where they gave Apache Warrior the edge over Roman Gladiator (mainly because as I recall, the bow and arrow was superior and more lethal than the gladiator's close-in weapons, but who cares.)

anywyas, there was a thread here and some dude was mega butthurt about that.  he was like, "that show is BULLshiat!  there is NO WAY a roman gladiator would lose to a stone age technology!  no freaking way, period.  I call bullshiat!  Didn't they see Russell Crowe in "Gladiator"?  this is bullshiat!  No freaking way Russell Crowe loses to Tonto.  Go watch "Gladiator", you assholes.  Seriously.  this is bullshiat and I'm boycotting the show FOREVER!"

it was like, 'gay for russell crowe much, Gladiatormitter?"


An Indian's arrows would be crap vs a Roman Phalanx formation.

1.bp.blogspot.com

Hold up shields as the arrows bounce off, get in close, and remind the redskins the folly of pissing off whitey.
 
2013-02-21 04:23:22 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Treygreen13

They're not even really a big secret anymore. You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.


URL or we'll be forced to call shenanigans.


http://www.diamondnexus.com/round-brilliant-cut-classic-series.html

You can get a 4.91 carat synthetic diamond from them for less than 500. If you want to go comically large they offer a 16 carat diamond for $1600. Please don't do that, though. Nobody will believe you've got the scratch for a 16 carat diamond unless people think you've got a cool mil lying around just for rings.
 
2013-02-21 04:24:31 PM  

oldfarthenry: Good luck paying off all that collateral damage in Iraq.


But, but Bush the Second promised that Iraq would pay for the war with all that oil money.
 
2013-02-21 04:26:50 PM  
They should trade it for something.  leaving it on the crown like that is a bit of an insult.
 
2013-02-21 04:26:54 PM  

relcec: I wouldn't trust rogan about anything outside his area of expertise: drugs, the mma, and ancient aliens. If he says what allows apraissers to differntiate the two are organic are flawed while synthetic are perfect I'd put money on him being at least half wrong.


i take everything Joe says with a grain of salt but he's entertaining.  his podcast is AWESOME.


TV's Vinnie: An Indian's arrows would be crap vs a Roman Phalanx formation.


yeah, but they didn't fight that way on the show.  just head to head.  i mean, conversely, 10 apaches with bow and arrow and slings and atlatls and shiat versus one gladiator would equally be a bloodbath.
 
2013-02-21 04:27:21 PM  
India is a complete sh*thole, go get anything else of value that's still there out now.
 
2013-02-21 04:27:32 PM  

oldfarthenry: JesusJuice: To the victor go the spoils.

Nope. Modern warfare dictates "If you bombed it - you bought it".
Good luck paying off all that collateral damage in Iraq.


The colonial era is "modern" now?  Also, Iraq can suck it.
 
2013-02-21 04:28:54 PM  

give me doughnuts: Kahabut: give me doughnuts: Ivo Shandor: give me doughnuts: How are they going to get to England? The Indian Navy? How much air-lift capacity does the Indian Air Force have?

I don't know about their air force, but they have been launching their own satellites since 1980.


I'm sure that will be very helpful for landing troops on British soil.

Nope, but it'll make a nice ICBM.

(I'm pretty sure that was the point that went sailing over your head somewhere near stratospheric)

If I had been commenting on the nukes versus nukes comments, then it may have applied. But since it was about Sikhs versus SAS, then it is just a non sequitur.

Or did that point go over your head?


Don't shoot the messenger.

I was just the first one here with an orbital delivery device to bring the point down to your level.
 
2013-02-21 04:28:54 PM  

ITGreen: So one diamond will atone for Britain's colonial wrongdoings?  No?  Then giving it back is only the first in a line of  "atonement" gestures to be demanded later by India.

I actually agree with the British on this one; nip this stunt of theirs in the bud.


Unless Mahatma  Rammadammadingdong looks like this guy, I wouldn't be too worried.

cdn.chud.com
 
2013-02-21 04:29:34 PM  

Spiralmonkey: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Gordon Bennett: As for returning their treasures, India is free to wait along with Greece and Egypt.

Given the state of Greece and Egypt at this point, it may be for the best if Britain keeps them.

You can have them back when you prove to us that you're not going to destroy them in a riot or civil war.

Not unless Greece is in a position to pay for the Elgin marbles, which were sold by Greece to Britain.


Not quite. Lord Elgin obtained permission from the Ottoman Empire to excavate the site and chose the broadest possible interpretation of that to steal the lot. He then sold them on to the government.

I assume that we now call them the Elgin Marbles instead of the Parthenon Marbles or Acropolis Marbles as a massive GIRUY to the Greeks.
 
2013-02-21 04:30:37 PM  

MBooda: [www.culturewars.org.uk image 850x581] France to Egypt:
[www.crystalinks.com image 700x581]
/history is plunder


I know you will never believe this but London and Paris' Cleopatra's needles were actually gifts from Muhammad Ali.
 
2013-02-21 04:30:54 PM  

cgraves67: They're not even really a big secret anymore. You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.

That last sentence got a good laugh out of me.


They're awesome if you go with a reputable company (the lab ones have been graded since ~2007, so if you find one that has theirs graded 

Englebert Slaptyback: Treygreen13

They're not even really a big secret anymore. You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.


URL or we'll be forced to call shenanigans.


http://gemesis.com/

I can't speak to their bands, but I've seen some diamonds come off there and they're very nice.  Also they're based in America so if you have a problem, you at least have some kind of legal resource instead of dealing with a fly by night Russian company.
 
2013-02-21 04:31:07 PM  

Treygreen13


If you want to go comically large they offer a 16 carat diamond for $1600. Please don't do that, though. Nobody will believe you've got the scratch for a 16 carat diamond unless people think you've got a cool mil lying around just for rings.


Even if it's a nose ring?? *pouts*

Thanks for the link!
 
2013-02-21 04:32:14 PM  
those bottomfeeders can keep that overhyped piece of rock. We are busy making progress. and besides, in 50 years, they will be begging to come to India anyway. But we are elephants, we have a loooong memory
 
2013-02-21 04:33:23 PM  
When I was growing up I was coerced into giving $1 each week to the Catholic Church at Sunday Mass. I had no say in this and failure to comply ensured a prompt and vengeful response on Monday morning from the nuns who monitored this activity each week. (Our names and class numbers were  on each envelope)

 
No, having gained free will and an understanding what the Catholic Church stands for, I WANT MY MONEY BACK! I WILL SUE FOR REPERATIONS!
 
2013-02-21 04:33:33 PM  

TV's Vinnie: rickythepenguin: MythDragon: Edge: British Military with aircraft carriers, Apaches, and cluster bombs"

ha.  when that show was popping, there was an episode where they gave Apache Warrior the edge over Roman Gladiator (mainly because as I recall, the bow and arrow was superior and more lethal than the gladiator's close-in weapons, but who cares.)

anywyas, there was a thread here and some dude was mega butthurt about that.  he was like, "that show is BULLshiat!  there is NO WAY a roman gladiator would lose to a stone age technology!  no freaking way, period.  I call bullshiat!  Didn't they see Russell Crowe in "Gladiator"?  this is bullshiat!  No freaking way Russell Crowe loses to Tonto.  Go watch "Gladiator", you assholes.  Seriously.  this is bullshiat and I'm boycotting the show FOREVER!"

it was like, 'gay for russell crowe much, Gladiatormitter?"

An Indian's arrows would be crap vs a Roman Phalanx formation.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 600x400]

Hold up shields as the arrows bounce off, get in close, and remind the redskins the folly of pissing off whitey.


Perhaps. However, you're forgetting tha:

#1. Deadliest Warrior is a one on one competition (or at least it was when the Apache won) so there is no Phalanx formation.
#2. The Roman Gladiator, in this case, is equipped with a rather small shield - one about the size and weight expected of a gladiator. Remember, the point of the battle was offense, blood, kills.
#3. The fight occurs (in this scenario) in the woods and at range. Not exactly "home turf" for the Gladiator.
#4. The Gladiator comes to battle with a net. I mean, come on. A net.
 
2013-02-21 04:34:07 PM  

andhravodu: those bottomfeeders can keep that overhyped piece of rock. We are busy making progress. and besides, in 50 years, they will be begging to come to India anyway. But we are elephants, we have a loooong memory


I'm having problems connecting my printer. What should I do?
 
2013-02-21 04:35:23 PM  

Kahabut: PsiChick: Walker: "I certainly don't believe in 'returnism', as it were. I don't think that's sensible."

So you don't believe in "returnism" but you believe in stealing. Cool ethics bro!

THIS. Even if you're not giving it back, at least try and pretend you understand you stole it. FFS. I can understand why you wouldn't want to return it, politics is a dirty game, but you farked up, admit it and move on.

Funny thing, HE didn't steal it.  He wasn't even farking alive when it happened.  So no, he really doesn't need to understand that.

This is exactly like the blacks demanding reparations for slavery, in the United States.  fark you.  You weren't a slave, so unless you are going to do forced labor for the next few years, you aren't getting any reparations.  Wellfare I guess isn't a reparation.


You are comparing apples and oranges. This is a physical item that was stolen and can be given back. A better comparison would be things the Nazis stole during WW2 from other countries now being in Germany's possessions. The other countries ask for them back and Germany says "F*ck you, we don't believe in returnism".
 
2013-02-21 04:35:32 PM  
Admiral Brannigan of the Royal Navy says "no backsies! "
 
2013-02-21 04:36:32 PM  
If you go back far enough, everyone's a victim.
 
2013-02-21 04:36:34 PM  

WhippingBoy: andhravodu: those bottomfeeders can keep that overhyped piece of rock. We are busy making progress. and besides, in 50 years, they will be begging to come to India anyway. But we are elephants, we have a loooong memory

I'm having problems connecting my printer. What should I do?


Have you tried turning it off and on.

/Delicious irony...
 
2013-02-21 04:38:05 PM  

give me doughnuts: Somacandra: The moral of the story: colonialism sucks ass (the bad kind), no matter how hard Dinesh D'Souza tries to polish that turd.


It was the best thing that ever happened to Africa.


/gets popcorn


I agree.
 
2013-02-21 04:38:14 PM  
I figure Britain earned the diamond for bringing India civilization- of course it did not completely take but that was not the Britain's fault.

India: Two elderly burned alive accused of witchcraft

Witch Burning and Human Sacrifice in India
 
2013-02-21 04:38:22 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Treygreen13

They're not even really a big secret anymore. You can go to a website right now and for less than $500 get a rock so big and bright your girlfriend's panties will break the sound barrier hitting the ground.


URL or we'll be forced to call shenanigans.


In about 5 minutes, I found a site that makes synthetic stones.  Many of the synthetics they sell must be really sloppily made, because they retail for like $15.  However, a 1-karat pure carbon diamong goes for roughly $4000.
 
2013-02-21 04:40:02 PM  

Walker: Kahabut: PsiChick: Walker: "I certainly don't believe in 'returnism', as it were. I don't think that's sensible."

So you don't believe in "returnism" but you believe in stealing. Cool ethics bro!

THIS. Even if you're not giving it back, at least try and pretend you understand you stole it. FFS. I can understand why you wouldn't want to return it, politics is a dirty game, but you farked up, admit it and move on.

Funny thing, HE didn't steal it.  He wasn't even farking alive when it happened.  So no, he really doesn't need to understand that.

This is exactly like the blacks demanding reparations for slavery, in the United States.  fark you.  You weren't a slave, so unless you are going to do forced labor for the next few years, you aren't getting any reparations.  Wellfare I guess isn't a reparation.

You are comparing apples and oranges. This is a physical item that was stolen and can be given back. A better comparison would be things the Nazis stole during WW2 from other countries now being in Germany's possessions. The other countries ask for them back and Germany says "F*ck you, we don't believe in returnism".


Alright, you make a reasonable point.  I sided with Germany in that argument as well though.  ;)

You can't have it back, we took it fair and square.

Other possible items that are included... the united states (from the british)... the united states (from the indians)... the spanish isles, the greek isles, the... well this list is basically every item/land grab in history. Do we REALLY want to start down that road?
 
2013-02-21 04:41:09 PM  
Here is the thing about pricing diamonds.  The things are only worth what someone will pay.  You could argue that they ~100 karat diamond in the Queen's crown could be worth millions.  But in reality, it's sitting in a case in London, and will never be sold to anyone.  Ever.  So, it's effectively worthless.

A couple of days ago, there was a crazy robbery at an airport in Europe (somewhere).  They made off with like $50 million (or something like that), in loose diamonds.  How much are they really worth?  If they can get anyone to by them at all, considering how hot they are, they will sell for pennies compared to their supposed worth.
 
2013-02-21 04:41:51 PM  

Kahabut: Walker: Kahabut: PsiChick: Walker: "I certainly don't believe in 'returnism', as it were. I don't think that's sensible."

So you don't believe in "returnism" but you believe in stealing. Cool ethics bro!

THIS. Even if you're not giving it back, at least try and pretend you understand you stole it. FFS. I can understand why you wouldn't want to return it, politics is a dirty game, but you farked up, admit it and move on.

Funny thing, HE didn't steal it.  He wasn't even farking alive when it happened.  So no, he really doesn't need to understand that.

This is exactly like the blacks demanding reparations for slavery, in the United States.  fark you.  You weren't a slave, so unless you are going to do forced labor for the next few years, you aren't getting any reparations.  Wellfare I guess isn't a reparation.

You are comparing apples and oranges. This is a physical item that was stolen and can be given back. A better comparison would be things the Nazis stole during WW2 from other countries now being in Germany's possessions. The other countries ask for them back and Germany says "F*ck you, we don't believe in returnism".

Alright, you make a reasonable point.  I sided with Germany in that argument as well though.  ;)

You can't have it back, we took it fair and square.

Other possible items that are included... the united states (from the british)... the united states (from the indians)... the spanish isles, the greek isles, the... well this list is basically every item/land grab in history. Do we REALLY want to start down that road?


I dunno if you can count The United States as being stolen from "The British". I mean, "The British" stole it from "The British".
 
2013-02-21 04:45:44 PM  

Kahabut: Walker: Kahabut: PsiChick: Walker: You are comparing apples and oranges. This is a physical item that was stolen and can be given back. A better comparison would be things the Nazis stole during WW2 from other countries now being in Germany's possessions. The other countries ask for them back and Germany says "F*ck you, we don't believe in returnism".



More salient, Britain didn't get it's ass kicked, overrun, occupied, tried, convicted and punished like Germany did.

To the victor.

I bet the BNP would do a trade- all your 'pakis' back and no more commonwealth privileges for one stone.  In a heart beat.
 
2013-02-21 04:46:58 PM  

Treygreen13: Kahabut: Walker: Kahabut: PsiChick: Walker: "I certainly don't believe in 'returnism', as it were. I don't think that's sensible."

So you don't believe in "returnism" but you believe in stealing. Cool ethics bro!

THIS. Even if you're not giving it back, at least try and pretend you understand you stole it. FFS. I can understand why you wouldn't want to return it, politics is a dirty game, but you farked up, admit it and move on.

Funny thing, HE didn't steal it.  He wasn't even farking alive when it happened.  So no, he really doesn't need to understand that.

This is exactly like the blacks demanding reparations for slavery, in the United States.  fark you.  You weren't a slave, so unless you are going to do forced labor for the next few years, you aren't getting any reparations.  Wellfare I guess isn't a reparation.

You are comparing apples and oranges. This is a physical item that was stolen and can be given back. A better comparison would be things the Nazis stole during WW2 from other countries now being in Germany's possessions. The other countries ask for them back and Germany says "F*ck you, we don't believe in returnism".

Alright, you make a reasonable point.  I sided with Germany in that argument as well though.  ;)

You can't have it back, we took it fair and square.

Other possible items that are included... the united states (from the british)... the united states (from the indians)... the spanish isles, the greek isles, the... well this list is basically every item/land grab in history. Do we REALLY want to start down that road?

I dunno if you can count The United States as being stolen from "The British". I mean, "The British" stole it from "The British".


No, probably not, but you get my point I think.
 
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