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2013-02-21 09:20:20 AM
English, Subby, do you speak it?
 
2013-02-21 09:22:47 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-21 09:24:16 AM
Obama can't even get one liberal in the senate to vote for his budget.

LOL! FAIL.
 
2013-02-21 09:26:06 AM
Obama is more popular than he has been in three years. Congress is, to say the least, not. They will own this sh*t sandwich.
 
2013-02-21 09:26:21 AM
The party that has been calling for draconian budget cuts for years wants us to believe they don't want draconian budget cuts.
 
2013-02-21 09:26:23 AM

TIKIMAN87: Obama can't even get one liberal in the senate to vote for his budget.

LOL! FAIL.


I know right. This guy is a particular douche.

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-02-21 09:26:57 AM
What is this I don't even.
 
2013-02-21 09:27:59 AM
No surprise that Obama's policies would be more popular than Congress's policy suggestions. Most of the country voted for Obama, most of the country didn't vote for the Republicans in the House or the obstructionists in the Senate.
 
2013-02-21 09:28:07 AM

GoldSpider: What is this I don't even.


Someone turned the derp up to 12.
 
2013-02-21 09:29:26 AM
The sequester is as much Obama's fault as the debt is
 
2013-02-21 09:31:14 AM
Troll headline is trolling...
 
2013-02-21 09:31:42 AM
i assume subtard is referring to the sequester that the GOP voted for before sending it to his desk to sign. the sequester that wouldn't exist if the GOP hadn't taken america's economy hostage in summer 2011 by threatening to not pay for spending they had already authorized.

so, please proceed to drown in a sea of dicks, mmkay?
 
2013-02-21 09:31:51 AM
Since the GOP is attempting to be appear more moderate than the Center (represented by Obama) and at the same time more right-wing than the Republican base (represented by Christian Fundamentalists, Gun Nuts and Tea Patriots) it can't win any PR fight.
 
2013-02-21 09:32:23 AM

Tarl3k: Troll headline is trolling...


No shiat, really?
 
2013-02-21 09:32:55 AM

Alphax: English, Subby, do you speak it?


This is why I believe we should make English proficiency a requirement for voting. It turns out a fair number of right wingers would be ineligible to vote under that rule.
 
2013-02-21 09:36:46 AM
Republicans have taken to calling the deep cuts that could reverse our hard-won economic recovery 'Obama's Sequester.' But a July 2011 PowerPoint obtained by John Avlon shows the opposite may be true.

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A slide from the final page of Speaker John Boehner's Powerpoint to House Republicans on July 31st, 2011, obtained by The Daily Beast.


Republicans lie.
 
2013-02-21 09:37:08 AM
Republicans have been telling us for four years now that massive budget cuts will juice up the economy and lead to massive growth. If they really believe that's true, why do they want the public to believe Obama is responsible for that massive growth? Are they intentionally trying to tank their reputation further so that they're less popular than Communists, ebola, and Nickelback?
 
2013-02-21 09:40:43 AM
Yeah, subby. Obama's also been calling for revenue increases as well.

"Wealth redistribution" sometimes means taking money from millionaires to put into middle-class government and contract employee paychecks.
 
2013-02-21 09:41:54 AM
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2013-02-21 09:43:14 AM

Serious Black: Republicans have been telling us for four years now that massive budget cuts will juice up the economy and lead to massive growth. If they really believe that's true, why do they want the public to believe Obama is responsible for that massive growth? Are they intentionally trying to tank their reputation further so that they're less popular than Communists, ebola, and Nickelback?


Because when it's an idea, it can't hurt anyone - the numbers look so damn GOOD, how can we ignore that?

Problem is, where the rubber meets the road is where dollars stop coming - that big contract in your R-UT district doesn't make the cut, and a pile of military folks will be furloughed in R-VA, and the parts manufacturer in R-IA loses an order from the government. These things are BAD and WRONG, so they must be Obama's fault.
 
2013-02-21 09:43:16 AM

HotWingConspiracy: The party that has been calling for draconian budget cuts for years wants us to believe they don't want draconian budget cuts.


Came to say this.

At this point, the only option is that every Republican has a sexual fetish for hypocrisy. Is there a word for that? Farkheadophilia?
 
2013-02-21 09:47:55 AM

FlashHarry: i assume subtard is referring to the sequester that the GOP voted for before sending it to his desk to sign. the sequester that wouldn't exist if the GOP hadn't taken america's economy hostage in summer 2011 by threatening to not pay for spending they had already authorized.

so, please proceed to drown in a sea of dicks, mmkay?


The sequester that they touted as giving them 98% of what they wanted?
 
2013-02-21 09:48:33 AM
Man, I can't wait for the sequester to happen.  Exactly what this country needs.  A swift kick in the reality.
 
2013-02-21 09:49:55 AM

NateGrey: A slide from the final page of Speaker John Boehner's Powerpoint to House Republicans on July 31st, 2011, obtained by The Daily Beast.

Republicans lie.


Obviously. Over the last week they have been attempting to push all the blame all on Obama.
 
2013-02-21 09:51:05 AM

Delay: NateGrey: A slide from the final page of Speaker John Boehner's Powerpoint to House Republicans on July 31st, 2011, obtained by The Daily Beast.

Republicans lie.

Obviously. Over the last week they have been attempting to push all the blame all on Obama.


98% is a lot of blame to push.
 
2013-02-21 09:57:24 AM

max_pooper: Delay: NateGrey: A slide from the final page of Speaker John Boehner's Powerpoint to House Republicans on July 31st, 2011, obtained by The Daily Beast.

Republicans lie.

Obviously. Over the last week they have been attempting to push all the blame all on Obama.

98% is a lot of blame to push.


Indeed.  Between that lovely quote and the Power Point presentation floating around which screams "This is a Good Idea From: John Boehner," Its not that shocking they are having difficulty attempting to move the mountain.

Now, if they would get to FIXING THE SEQUESTER instead of playing this blame game...
/effective governance, can you fracking morons at least make an attempt at it?
 
2013-02-21 09:57:45 AM
Keep f*cking that chicken, subby.
 
2013-02-21 09:57:57 AM

MattStafford: Man, I can't wait for the sequester to happen.  Exactly what this country needs.  A swift kick in the reality.


The reality that government actually does create jobs?
 
2013-02-21 10:05:27 AM

liam76: The sequester that they touted as giving them 98% of what they wanted?


yep. i'd forgotten about that.

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2013-02-21 10:06:43 AM

liam76: FlashHarry: i assume subtard is referring to the sequester that the GOP voted for before sending it to his desk to sign. the sequester that wouldn't exist if the GOP hadn't taken america's economy hostage in summer 2011 by threatening to not pay for spending they had already authorized.

so, please proceed to drown in a sea of dicks, mmkay?

The sequester that they touted as giving them 98% of what they wanted?


Before anybody tries to call you a liar, here's a link backing up your claim
 
2013-02-21 10:09:44 AM

47 is the new 42: liam76: FlashHarry: i assume subtard is referring to the sequester that the GOP voted for before sending it to his desk to sign. the sequester that wouldn't exist if the GOP hadn't taken america's economy hostage in summer 2011 by threatening to not pay for spending they had already authorized.

so, please proceed to drown in a sea of dicks, mmkay?

The sequester that they touted as giving them 98% of what they wanted?

Before anybody tries to call you a liar, here's a link backing up your claim


Facts matter not to the GOP water carriers.
 
2013-02-21 10:12:10 AM

cameroncrazy1984: The reality that government actually does create jobs?


Yeah, as long as there are people out there willing to lend us money to keep those jobs.  Once that lending dries up, so do the jobs.
 
2013-02-21 10:16:12 AM

MattStafford: cameroncrazy1984: The reality that government actually does create jobs?

Yeah, as long as there are people out there willing to lend us money to keep those jobs.  Once that lending dries up, so do the jobs.


What better reason to refuse to budge on the debt ceiling and guarantee that that happens?
 
2013-02-21 10:16:23 AM

MattStafford: cameroncrazy1984: The reality that government actually does create jobs?

Yeah, as long as there are people out there willing to lend us money to keep those jobs.  Once that lending dries up, so do the jobs.


So, we should dry up those jobs ourselves first and shoot the recovery (modest though it might be) in the foot!
 
2013-02-21 10:16:34 AM

MattStafford: cameroncrazy1984: The reality that government actually does create jobs?

Yeah, as long as there are people out there willing to lend us money to keep those jobs.  Once that lending dries up, so do the jobs.


Question: Where do you think most of our borrowing comes from?
 
2013-02-21 10:17:38 AM

MattStafford: cameroncrazy1984: The reality that government actually does create jobs?

Yeah, as long as there are people out there willing to lend us money to keep those jobs.  Once that lending dries up, so do the jobs.


Really? You're back? Where have you been? Been working on those analogies have you? Have you revamped the coconut/fish economy into a workable analogy or worked out all the details on bridge construction? Been studying up on Sub-Saharan African countries' social spending and debt financing?

One more question: when are you going to admit you lied when you claimed to have earned a degree in economics?
 
2013-02-21 10:22:54 AM

max_pooper: MattStafford: cameroncrazy1984: The reality that government actually does create jobs?

Yeah, as long as there are people out there willing to lend us money to keep those jobs.  Once that lending dries up, so do the jobs.

Really? You're back? Where have you been? Been working on those analogies have you? Have you revamped the coconut/fish economy into a workable analogy or worked out all the details on bridge construction? Been studying up on Sub-Saharan African countries' social spending and debt financing?

One more question: when are you going to admit you lied when you claimed to have earned a degree in economics?


You have to understand, when he says he "earned a degree." that was an analogy for "slept through macro 101"
 
2013-02-21 10:24:23 AM
Paul Ryan bragging that the GOP got sequestration in the law (from Hannity, none the less).  The emphasis is mine:

RYAN: Right, right, that's a good question. So, $21 billion right away for the first fiscal year. Then it's about $46, I think, that's off the top of my head, for the second fiscal year. How much out of defense in the first fiscal year will be $9 billion from what we call the security accounts. That's not just defense. That's all security. The Homeland Security, National Security. And then $2 billion to $4 billion the next year. So, the cuts on defense are -- were minimized quite a bit by the most recent agreement John Boehner reached. More to the point, how do you bank these cuts? What conservatives like me have been fighting for, for years are statutory caps on spending, legal caps in law that says government agencies cannot spend over a set amount of money.
And if they breach that amount across the board, sequester comes in to cut that spending, and you can't turn that off without a supermajority vote. We got that in law. That is here. So, the best way you can actually bank that trillion dollar spending cut is to have legal caps in law which we haven't had since the 1990s. We now have them. And in the committee, the special committee, is tasked for getting the $1.1 to $1.5 trillion in cuts. Now, this, I'm going to tell you, Sean. We're not going to raise taxes in this committee. Number one, we're not gonna put the kind of people on this committee --


Republicans and their revisionist history at it again.

max_pooper: 47 is the new 42: liam76: FlashHarry: i assume subtard is referring to the sequester that the GOP voted for before sending it to his desk to sign. the sequester that wouldn't exist if the GOP hadn't taken america's economy hostage in summer 2011 by threatening to not pay for spending they had already authorized.

so, please proceed to drown in a sea of dicks, mmkay?

The sequester that they touted as giving them 98% of what they wanted?

Before anybody tries to call you a liar, here's a link backing up your claim

Facts matter not to the GOP water carriers.


Hey, a man can hope.  I'm not holding my breath though.
 
2013-02-21 10:27:52 AM

GoldSpider: What better reason to refuse to budge on the debt ceiling and guarantee that that happens?


theknuckler_33: So, we should dry up those jobs ourselves first and shoot the recovery (modest though it might be) in the foot!


You're asking why we should prepare for the inevitable on our own terms rather than have it happen suddenly and rapidly?  Have you looked at Greece recently?  We are getting great rates right now on our borrowing, I will admit that.  If those rates return to historical averages, our economy would be crushed, and true disaster would occur.  Should we take action now, or should we wait until we are forced to take action?  Part of leading a country involves making politically unpopular decisions that are better for the country in the long run.

cameroncrazy1984: Question: Where do you think most of our borrowing comes from?


Assuming you mean who is out there buying our bonds, I would say the Federal Reserve, the UK, Japan, private investors.  Where do you think it comes from?
 
2013-02-21 10:30:04 AM

max_pooper: Really? You're back? Where have you been? Been working on those analogies have you? Have you revamped the coconut/fish economy into a workable analogy or worked out all the details on bridge construction? Been studying up on Sub-Saharan African countries' social spending and debt financing?


Did you miss me?  And have you come up with an answer for any of my questions, or are you sticking with the trademarked "It's different for a ton of reasons, but those reasons are too complicated to summarize or explain, but trust me, it's different" defense?
 
2013-02-21 10:30:34 AM

Wicked Chinchilla: max_pooper: Delay: NateGrey: A slide from the final page of Speaker John Boehner's Powerpoint to House Republicans on July 31st, 2011, obtained by The Daily Beast.

Republicans lie.

Obviously. Over the last week they have been attempting to push all the blame all on Obama.

98% is a lot of blame to push.

Indeed.  Between that lovely quote and the Power Point presentation floating around which screams "This is a Good Idea From: John Boehner," Its not that shocking they are having difficulty attempting to move the mountain.

Now, if they would get to FIXING THE SEQUESTER instead of playing this blame game...
/effective governance, can you fracking morons at least make an attempt at it?


When the base principle of one of the parties is that government is never effective, that's hard to do.
 
2013-02-21 10:33:57 AM

MattStafford: GoldSpider: What better reason to refuse to budge on the debt ceiling and guarantee that that happens?

theknuckler_33: So, we should dry up those jobs ourselves first and shoot the recovery (modest though it might be) in the foot!

You're asking why we should prepare for the inevitable on our own terms rather than have it happen suddenly and rapidly?


The automatic sequester of across-the-board spending cuts is "on our own terms"? That was only put in the deal as a threat to force the parties to negotiate. Unfortunately, "negotiate" is a four-letter word to the right-wing extremists in the House.

Have you looked at Greece recently?

What's different between Greece and the U.S.?  Oh right, our own sovereign currency that serves as the world's reserve currency.

Part of leading a country involves making politically unpopular decisions that are better for the country in the long run.

Like raising taxes on the those most able to handle it.
 
2013-02-21 10:35:45 AM
Across the board cuts would totally work in a coconut and fish based economy.
 
2013-02-21 10:36:34 AM

MattStafford: GoldSpider: What better reason to refuse to budge on the debt ceiling and guarantee that that happens?

theknuckler_33: So, we should dry up those jobs ourselves first and shoot the recovery (modest though it might be) in the foot!

You're asking why we should prepare for the inevitable on our own terms rather than have it happen suddenly and rapidly?  Have you looked at Greece recently?  We are getting great rates right now on our borrowing, I will admit that.  If those rates return to historical averages, our economy would be crushed, and true disaster would occur.  Should we take action now, or should we wait until we are forced to take action?  Part of leading a country involves making politically unpopular decisions that are better for the country in the long run.

cameroncrazy1984: Question: Where do you think most of our borrowing comes from?

Assuming you mean who is out there buying our bonds, I would say the Federal Reserve, the UK, Japan, private investors.  Where do you think it comes from?


You do know that rates do not suddenly tick up 5% overnight? They slowly climb as lenders increased the interest requirements on government bonds they purchase at auction as economic conditions change. Rates lenders require is based upon the safety of the debt and the availability of other investments. Why are lenders currently willing to take such low rates to park their money in US debt? Because it is extremely safe, barring any shenanigans from the GOP, and there are not a lot of better alternatives. Better alternatives will come around when the economy goes from the current crawl to full on recovery. When that happens tax revenue increases will increase and the need for governmnet debt will go down.

When are you going to admit you lied when you claimed to have earned a degree in economics?
 
2013-02-21 10:40:03 AM

MattStafford: You're asking why we should prepare for the inevitable on our own terms rather than have it happen suddenly and rapidly?


Suddenly and rapidly, such as what might be caused by a 20% across-the-board cut in spending?
 
2013-02-21 10:40:49 AM

MattStafford: max_pooper: Really? You're back? Where have you been? Been working on those analogies have you? Have you revamped the coconut/fish economy into a workable analogy or worked out all the details on bridge construction? Been studying up on Sub-Saharan African countries' social spending and debt financing?

Did you miss me?  And have you come up with an answer for any of my questions, or are you sticking with the trademarked "It's different for a ton of reasons, but those reasons are too complicated to summarize or explain, but trust me, it's different" defense?


I see you still have your head in the sand. I seem to remember a very long thread where you wasted lots of posts insisting that facts were never presented to squashed your bullshiat theories. When those facts were reposted for you, you disappeared only to return today. We haven't forgotten your stupidity of the past.

When are you going to admit you lied when you claimed to have earned a degree in economics?
 
2013-02-21 10:43:42 AM

GAT_00: Tarl3k: Troll headline is trolling...

No shiat, really?


I think this one is beyond trolling and right off into chumming
 
2013-02-21 10:47:29 AM

MattStafford: Assuming you mean who is out there buying our bonds, I would say the Federal Reserve, the UK, Japan, private investors.  Where do you think it comes from?


Actually, 32% of it comes from the Federal government itself, and most of the rest comes from American investors.

Do you REALLY think that we're going to stop lending money to ourselves?
 
2013-02-21 10:48:05 AM

GoldSpider: MattStafford: You're asking why we should prepare for the inevitable on our own terms rather than have it happen suddenly and rapidly?

Suddenly and rapidly, such as what might be caused by a 20% across-the-board cut in spending?


He...he has no idea what the sequester really is.
 
2013-02-21 10:50:32 AM

MattStafford: GoldSpider: What better reason to refuse to budge on the debt ceiling and guarantee that that happens?

theknuckler_33: So, we should dry up those jobs ourselves first and shoot the recovery (modest though it might be) in the foot!

You're asking why we should prepare for the inevitable on our own terms rather than have it happen suddenly and rapidly?  Have you looked at Greece recently?  We are getting great rates right now on our borrowing, I will admit that.  If those rates return to historical averages, our economy would be crushed, and true disaster would occur.  Should we take action now, or should we wait until we are forced to take action?  Part of leading a country involves making politically unpopular decisions that are better for the country in the long run.

cameroncrazy1984: Question: Where do you think most of our borrowing comes from?

Assuming you mean who is out there buying our bonds, I would say the Federal Reserve, the UK, Japan, private investors.  Where do you think it comes from?


WRONG!

Friends of Hamas is buying all of the bonds because Chuck Hagel gave them a deal in order to fund Benghazi, and that's why Obama forced the Republicans at gun point (which is ironic considering he wants to take all of OUR guns) to agree to the sequester.
 
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