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(The Hollywood Reporter)   With two historically revisionist novels about the killings of John F. Kennedy and Abraham Lincoln under his belt, Bill O'Reilly is now writing a book entitled "Killing Jesus"   (hollywoodreporter.com) divider line 248
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2013-02-21 11:39:57 AM

No Time To Explain: willfullyobscure: No Time To Explain: God's omnipotent

/you can't explain that

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06612a.htm

it's been explained

But is it proven scientifically?


It is proven deductively through logical argument, which is kissing cousin to the scientific method, anyway. Read the link. It's worth your time.
 
2013-02-21 11:40:15 AM
Let's start this:

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Straddling the NSFW line

Probably NSFworkplace viewing.

Same as above

As above...

...So below

Ditto.

SFW just TLFF (Too Large For Fark)

same as above

Yep.

Not unlike above.

Similar to above.

I've never witnessed frauds to move like that. (sfw; too large).

Also relieved that Mr. "you harbor overt paedophilic tendencies if you find K.U. in the least attractive" hasn't shown up yet (even though I know he will soon enough.".
 
2013-02-21 11:41:02 AM
Yes you are, Bill.  Yes, you are.
 
2013-02-21 11:41:14 AM

griffer: Representative of the unwashed masses: griffer: So a long, simplistic piece of jingoism to prop up the illegal stte of Isreal?

Why do American politicians have such a hard on for Israel?  Seriously, it's one thing to help them but you don't have to do everything as they say do you?

You know who calls the dance, right?


*sigh* true...  That guilt over not helping them out before Hitler offed a lot of them sure runs deep...
 
2013-02-21 11:42:21 AM

Maus III: The Christian sits... Because that is what a chair is for.


So... a philosophy professor who does not know anything of Metaphysics or Epistemology?

The chair only exists because we say it does and that sitting in it is it's function. The chair is entirely dependent on us for it's being in any facet of it's existence, save the atoms which it is composed of.
 
2013-02-21 11:43:25 AM

Sinbox: Let's start this:

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Straddling the NSFW line

Probably NSFworkplace viewing.

Same as above

As above...

...So below

Ditto.

SFW just TLFF (Too Large For Fark)

same as above

Yep.

Not unlike above.

Similar to above.

I've never witnessed frauds to move like that. (sfw; too large).

Also relieved that Mr. "you harbor overt paedophilic tendencies if you find K.U. in the least attractive" hasn't shown up yet (even though I know he will soon enough.".


NO.

ASS.

ON.

DAT.
 
2013-02-21 11:43:46 AM

Sinbox: Let's start this:


Not the thread you were intending, I imagine, and frankly, it's just what this thread needed.
 
2013-02-21 11:43:53 AM

hubiestubert: So I'm betting that in his version, the Jews didn't do it? The 30 pieces of silver was just a metaphor, and in fact it was proto-Muslims who reached back into the past, thanks to Obama's Time Machine, disguised themselves, and tried to end the reign of the King of Kings, only to fail to realize that their assassination attempt would be foiled by Christ's resurrection, and making Jesus more powerful than they could ever imagine?

I'm just guessing.


Actually, the Jews didn't kill Jesus, the Romans did.

Stop guessing.
 
2013-02-21 11:44:21 AM
er, um, huh, hmmm.

well...

sh*tfire.

damnation.

in a year...who'll care?

fark.
 
2013-02-21 11:44:32 AM

Uncle Tractor: Maus III: "Is there such a thing as darkness, professor?"

You're probably just trolling, but anyway ...

This is a variant of the "evil is the absence of good" argument. The problem with this argument is that God is supposedly omnipresent, IOW he is everywhere. Since God is supposedly good (which anyone who's read the Bible knows he is not), there can not be an absence of God and therefore no absence of good. IOW evil exists only because the omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, and all-loving God wants it to exist.

Also, it perfectly possible to fill an opaque jar with darkness. Just put the lid on so no light can get in.


Evil is a relative term used to describe actions another person takes that they think are good that you disagree with.
 
2013-02-21 11:45:06 AM
Does your back hurt from carrying that cross.  It must be tough to be like everyone else.
 
2013-02-21 11:45:47 AM

I drunk what: beantowndog: Can you really call it revisionist if it never happened in the first place?

THIS^

anyways even if there was some sort of elaborate hoax it was simply concocted to stir up anti-semite hate speech

christians are just a bunch of racist bigot retards, who make up fairytales to undermine science

vote democrat


UH to be fair, the years I lived in the south I found PLENTY of hardcore Democrat Baptists and Methodists. And goddamit if they aren't organized and vote. Go ahead and piss off one of those ultra-connected ladies at a church BBQ, sans the accent and say you're Pro-choice and support gay marriage. Go right ahead.

/already knows the results
//for the record, the Conservatives are equally organized and vote. And Baptists too. Go figue
///Did the Civil War ever really end?
 
2013-02-21 11:45:48 AM
He pissed off the Romans and preached heresy. I think we've known that for a while.
 
2013-02-21 11:46:28 AM

Maus III: "Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with and so your conclusion must be in error...."


The professor goes toxic. "Flawed...? How dare you...!"

Haven't seen this particular FWD:FWD:FWD: in a while.  I've always wondered if, at the end of the semester, the student's grade slip reported the absence of a passing grade...

/runner-up to the vasectomy copy-pasta
 
2013-02-21 11:46:36 AM
wildcardjack:
Dear Bill,

Every time you open your mouth another part of me dies.

Love,
Jesus


clane:
wildcardjack is simply another liberal sheep that obviously has never watched his show.  The guy invites Liberals and argues with them one on one. but hey i wouldn't expect anything more from a liberal sheep.
 
2013-02-21 11:46:52 AM

Maus III: Is God to blame?

YES!

Here's why: "LET ME EXPLAIN THE problem science has with Jesus Christ.
The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.

"You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"
"Yes, sir."
"So you believe in God?"
"Absolutely."
"Is God good?"
"Sure! God's good."
"Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"
"Yes."
"Are you good or evil?"
"The Bible says I'm evil."
The professor grins knowingly. "Ahh! THE BIBLE!"
He considers for a moment. "Here's one for you.
Let's say there's a sick person over here, and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help them? Would you try?"
"Yes sir, I would."
"So you're good...!"
"I wouldn't say that."
"Why not say that? You would help a sick and maimed person if you could...in fact most of us would if we could... God doesn't."
No answer.
"He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"
No answer.
The elderly man is sympathetic. "No, you can't, can you?" He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax. In philosophy, you have to go easy with the new ones.
"Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?"
"Er... Yes."
"Is Satan good?"
"No."
"Where does Satan come from?"
The student falters. "From...God..."
"That's right. God made Satan, didn't he?" The elderly man runs his bony fingers through his thinning hair and turns, smirking, to the student audience. "I think we're going to have a lot of fun this semester, ladies and gentlemen." He turns back to the Christian. "Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?"
"Yes, sir."
"Evil's everywhere, isn't it? Did God make everything?"
"Yes."
"Who created evil?"
No answer.
"Is there sickness in this world? Immorality?
Hatred? Ugliness? All the terrible things - do they exist in this world?"
The student squirms on his feet. "Yes."
"Who created th ...


The great thing about science is that you don't have to believe it for it to be true.
 
2013-02-21 11:47:41 AM
Sinbox wins the thread.
 
2013-02-21 11:50:08 AM

Citrate1007: The great thing about science is that you don't have to believe it for it to be true.


This needs to be said. OVER AND OVER. To the people who "don't believe in vaccines", etc.
 
2013-02-21 11:50:35 AM

clane: The guy invites Liberals and argues with them one on one.


...and screams over their responses and cuts their mics when they demonstrate how stupid BillO's points are.
 
2013-02-21 11:52:25 AM
The history of Jesus has been under constant revision since 33 AD.  Hell, he wasn't even a deity until 317 AD.
 
2013-02-21 11:52:49 AM
My grandmother will be waiting in line to buy it.
 
2013-02-21 11:54:51 AM
anyone got any excerpts and/or audio clips of Mr Oreally's other famous book: Those Who Trespass

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2009/03/off_with_those.ph p
 
2013-02-21 11:55:12 AM
I think Sinbox was arguing for the existence of a God that wants men to be happy.
 
2013-02-21 11:55:35 AM
The only way that this could possibly be any good is if O'Reilly pulls and OJ Simpson and decides to call it "Killing Jesus: If I Did It".
 
2013-02-21 11:55:45 AM

Maus III: Here's why: "LET ME EXPLAIN THE problem science has with Jesus Christ.


What a load of crap.

A scientist of any worth would not fall for the pathetic traps the christian laid out. Is there darkness or cold?? What a joke.

It's a whole strawman story ... typical religious person cannot argue with what we say so they invent a cutesy little story.
 
2013-02-21 11:58:30 AM
The cool part is there are three different editions that come with alternate endings. Collect all three!
 
2013-02-21 12:00:38 PM

Sinbox: Let's start this:

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Straddling the NSFW line

Probably NSFworkplace viewing.

Same as above

As above...

...So below

Ditto.

SFW just TLFF (Too Large For Fark)

same as above

Yep.

Not unlike above.

Similar to above.

I've never witnessed frauds to move like that. (sfw; too large).

Also relieved that Mr. "you harbor overt paedophilic tendencies if you find K.U. in the least attractive" hasn't shown up yet (even though I know he will soon enough.".


Someone's posting in the wrong thread.

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2013-02-21 12:00:47 PM

Sinbox: er, um, huh, hmmm.

well...

sh*tfire.

damnation.

in a year...who'll care?

fark.


No apologies necessary. Have you noticed what's going on in this thread? Another pissing match between the Church of Nuh-Uh and the Church of Yuh-huh.

You do the Lord's work, my son.*

* It's a figure of speech, no need to beat me to death with your autographed special-edition copy of St. Hitchens.
 
2013-02-21 12:02:02 PM
The challenge, I suppose, is making the book longer than 4 words.

"The Jews did it." The End.

/also, does this book get filed under 'fiction'?
 
2013-02-21 12:03:31 PM
I am half way through Killing Lincoln and the only reason I am reading it is because my sister gave it to me as a gift. My first thought upon picking it up was that I would have to read two books , this one and another more historically accurate account. However that may not be the case based on what I have read so far.

As a bonus, and much to my surprise, I have been spared the drudgery of hearing O'Reilly tell the story. This says to me that Martin Dugard wrote it, and O'Reilly put his name on it so it would sell.

In any case, it is exposing people to Lincoln, which I believe is a good thing. Sis also gave me  Killing Kennedy. Having read Fletcher Prouty's book on the subject, I am actually quite looking forward to O'Reilly/Dugards's version and the accuracy there will tell me more about the accuracy in Killing Lincoln.

Killing Jesus? I think I'll step back for that one as I share the sentiments of  vernonFLon that particular tale.
 
2013-02-21 12:03:32 PM
Maus III

Please say that you made that post sarcastically.  I'm serious.  The author does everything he can to designate the "professor" as the bad guy and a moron, yet it is impossible to agree with the "christian".  This is the worst attempt at a theodicy that I've ever seen (in reality, this is a summary of standard theodicies, made worst by being written by a bitter, wicked, and frankly stupid person).

The christian doesn't understand that there is a difference between words and real things that we refer to with those words.  This should be obvious even to children, but whatever.

"You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something, it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly, you have nothing, and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, Darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker and give me a jar of it. Can you...give me a jar of darker darkness, professor?"

The professor is not asking "Why do we have words for Darkness and Light?", just as he is not asking "Why do we have words for Good and Evil?"  The Christian's response is  that, because we have darkness and light, that we thus have words for them.  No shiat.  That's not the question.  Look at it this way.. if we had only darkness or only light, then we wouldn't have separate words for such.. and we wouldn't be having this retarded conversation.  Why must it be the case that we have both?  That is the question.  Saying "Because it is" simply isn't an answer to that question.  These naturalistic arguments are some of the most common I hear and, honestly, the most bizarre.  They are clearly conceived by crazy people and propagated by the uncritical, as the entire set of arguments follows the form of "Well, X exists... so.. uh.. X must exist. Therefore God!"

But let's entertain this idiocy for a moment.  Is the Christian really trying to argue that that Good and Evil are relative, just like darkness and light? Like up and down?  This changes God from being "All Good" to merely being "The Most Good".  Christians actively despise any suggestion of moral relativism (usually accusing them of being sociopaths or something), so I find this defense extremely odd.

Let's even accept that some "Darkness" must exist for there to be "Light" (even though, as I said, the dual necessity is only such because we observed the duality and constructed our language to match).  Why must there be so much darkness?  Why can't there just be a bit of darkness, hidden away in a box somewhere, for all to see (or, not see) so that we may know what "light" is by comparison?  That is, would people really deny the existence of evil merely because Hitler hadn't killed millions of people?  Then why was it necessary for that to happen?

The rest of your story is strawmen and nonsensical crazy person talk.  Admit that either 1) Your god is not O3 (omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent) or 2) Evil is a human construct (and thus not really "real"), as all things created by an O3 God must by definition be Good.  These are the only solutions I've seen that aren't insane.  More importantly, though, is that the problem itself relies on the existence of an unproven being that intervenes in the world, which makes any solution at least partially insane.
 
2013-02-21 12:05:34 PM

Uncle Tractor: Someone's posting in the wrong thread.


No, I think it was exactly right.
 
2013-02-21 12:06:20 PM

hdhale: hubiestubert: So I'm betting that in his version, the Jews didn't do it? The 30 pieces of silver was just a metaphor, and in fact it was proto-Muslims who reached back into the past, thanks to Obama's Time Machine, disguised themselves, and tried to end the reign of the King of Kings, only to fail to realize that their assassination attempt would be foiled by Christ's resurrection, and making Jesus more powerful than they could ever imagine?

I'm just guessing.

Actually, the Jews didn't kill Jesus, the Romans did.

Stop guessing.


Who paid the 30 pieces of silver? You might want to go back and read those sections again. The Romans certainly did the deed, but who put them up to it? Who plotted the betrayal? Obviously NOT the Jews, because Israel is our ally, and the the US would never ally with anyone who betrayed Jesus, right? Obviously the Jewish patriarchs were misrepresented, just as the money changers, because bankers love money, and money comes from being right with the Lord, so thus we can only blame the MSM for portraying them as such, and it must be the fault of feminists backed by Muslim heathens who want to sully the Lord and Jesus' good name...
 
2013-02-21 12:08:29 PM

Sinbox: Let's start this:


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2013-02-21 12:10:37 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: griffer: Representative of the unwashed masses: griffer: So a long, simplistic piece of jingoism to prop up the illegal stte of Isreal?

Why do American politicians have such a hard on for Israel?  Seriously, it's one thing to help them but you don't have to do everything as they say do you?

You know who calls the dance, right?

*sigh* true...  That guilt over not helping them out before Hitler offed a lot of them sure runs deep...


no not guilt... look into evangelical millennials, and the term dispensationalism...  in summary... the Christians need the Jews to retake their promised homeland... to set about the end times and the jews will be destroyed and the Christians will be raptured into heaven... Bush and his 'advisors' were big into the evangelical millennial movement. (shock and surprise).

http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=216
 
2013-02-21 12:10:43 PM

falkone32: Maus IIIPlease say that you


for you, my friend:

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2013-02-21 12:10:44 PM

dragonchild: Uncle Tractor: Someone's posting in the wrong thread.

No, I think it was exactly right.


Seconded.
 
2013-02-21 12:11:27 PM

grxymkjbn: clane: The guy invites Liberals and argues with them one on one.

...and screams over their responses and cuts their mics when they demonstrate how stupid BillO's points are.


clane:
Wrong, wrong, wrong again. Is it just the nature of the beast that Liberals are always wrong?  He does interrupt but usually when they get off point and it's hard to get a liberal to stay on point.  But what's the last thing he almost always says at the end of a debate?You wouldn't know because you have maybe seen some YouTube clip on some circle jerks site.He says "you get the last word"
 
2013-02-21 12:12:45 PM
Nabb1:

I hope that's a cut and paste job, Tolstoy, because no one should put that much work into a comment in a FARK thread.

Yeah it is, I see it every now and then on FB except they usually replace the christian with Albert Einstein

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2013-02-21 12:15:53 PM
O'Reilly really doesn't care about factual accuracy, scholarship, or even setting up some alternative reality that is consistent and coherent. He is basically a snake-oil salesman that is running a cult for profit.

His top two goals are:

1) Making money by selling his books to the idiots who watch his show.

2) Convincing his followers that he has the true insights that liberals, etc. are trying to keep them from learning and thus they should trust him and almost nobody else. In other words he wants to lock in his TV audience and book buyers.

Such an easily controlled following is useful for all sorts of political purposes but that use doesn't seem to be one of his major purposes. Instead his leadership gives his respect among other conservatives as a potential major force.

O'Reilly and Glen Beck are playing the same game though Bill is more mainstream about it.
 
2013-02-21 12:20:47 PM

clane: grxymkjbn: clane: The guy invites Liberals and argues with them one on one.

...and screams over their responses and cuts their mics when they demonstrate how stupid BillO's points are.

clane:
Wrong, wrong, wrong again. Is it just the nature of the beast that Liberals are always wrong?  He does interrupt but usually when they get off point and it's hard to get a liberal to stay on point.  But what's the last thing he almost always says at the end of a debate?You wouldn't know because you have maybe seen some YouTube clip on some circle jerks site.He says "you get the last word"


It's a schtick.  He is an entertainer.  Much like Jon Stewart, but in an debate format.  His show isn't as scripted as the daily show, but it certainly is not of-the-cuff. All of that is okay, if you like it. But make no mistake about it, you are the product being sold. He is going to stroke your conservo-button till you freedomgasm. Bill is always going to come out looking right, and the liberal is always going to look bumbling. That is the schtick.
 
2013-02-21 12:23:47 PM
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"In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god's blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence."   - Neal Degrass Tyson


/religion is for chumps
 
2013-02-21 12:25:18 PM

griffer: So a long, simplistic piece of jingoism to prop up the illegal stte of Isreal?


You sound antisemitic.
 
2013-02-21 12:26:57 PM

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The 'H' is silent.


I didn't know what that was, so I Googled "Christoph Waltz Jesus" and found that beautiful skit. Thank you, sir.
 
2013-02-21 12:29:30 PM

HairBolus: O'Reilly really doesn't care about factual accuracy, scholarship, or even setting up some alternative reality that is consistent and coherent. He is basically a snake-oil salesman that is running a cult for profit.

His top two goals are:

1) Making money by selling his books to the idiots who watch his show.

2) Convincing his followers that he has the true insights that liberals, etc. are trying to keep them from learning and thus they should trust him and almost nobody else. In other words he wants to lock in his TV audience and book buyers.

Such an easily controlled following is useful for all sorts of political purposes but that use doesn't seem to be one of his major purposes. Instead his leadership gives his respect among other conservatives as a potential major force.

O'Reilly and Glen Beck are playing the same game though Bill is more mainstream about it.


Can you please explain how the Killing Lincoln book was inaccurate?
 
2013-02-21 12:32:33 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: I think Sinbox was arguing for the existence of a God that wants men to be happy.


I don't see anyone arguing with that.
 
2013-02-21 12:33:28 PM
You know, I've never entirely understood why Christians are so angry at Judas and Teh Jews for causing Christ's execution, while simultaneously preaching that his death was a necessary ritual sacrifice that liberated all humanity from eternal damnation. If it was God's plan to be crucified, then Judas should be revered at the disciple who loved Him most.

Have you got a charming Facebook fabricated anecdote to answer that one, Maus III?
 
2013-02-21 12:33:46 PM

NateGrey: griffer: So a long, simplistic piece of jingoism to prop up the illegal stte of Isreal?

You sound antisemitic.


Today, I am anti-septic.
 
2013-02-21 12:34:07 PM
I never believed in evil until someone on fark posted a fecking wall of text of philosophic mush in gotdamn over-sized font.

I bet Hitler used over-sized font.
 
2013-02-21 12:35:04 PM
so anyways ... enough about that story.
 
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