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2013-02-21 10:23:48 AM
Those pictures sort of stink. If you want to see the horror of WWI, you need picture of the people that actually died or, worse, were horribly deformed. Those are truly awful to look at.
 
2013-02-21 11:18:55 AM
Fratricidal warfare is what happens when you have a permanent political split, and your society decides to suicide instead of fixing it.
 
2013-02-21 11:19:46 AM
I'm not religious by any means, but what they did to those churches is a sacrilege.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-21 11:19:53 AM
Somebody mentioned the BBC miniseries Threads in a thread recently so I watched parts of it. I think I've had enough postapocalyptic destruction for this week.

Haunting, rare images

I remember when it was possible for an image to be "rare." That was before pictures were digital.
 
2013-02-21 11:20:30 AM
They had to do a sequel in order to pay off the rebuilding.
 
2013-02-21 11:21:08 AM

DamnYankees: Those pictures sort of stink. If you want to see the horror of WWI, you need picture of the people that actually died or, worse, were horribly deformed. Those are truly awful to look at.

i1236.photobucket.com
Concurs
 
2013-02-21 11:21:54 AM
They didn't really want a sequel. They simply did nazi it coming.


Come on.....someone had to do it.
 
2013-02-21 11:22:18 AM
You know Tolstoy's first draft of War and Peace was entitled "War, What is it Good For?"
 
2013-02-21 11:22:19 AM
Every time you submit a link with a slideshow, god kills a kitten. Specifically, one for each individual slide in the  slideshow.
 
2013-02-21 11:23:08 AM
They made a sequel because they didn't properly finish the job the first time around.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-21 11:23:09 AM
Every time you submit a link with a slideshow, god kills a kitten. Specifically, one for each individual slide in the slideshow.

Every time god kills a kitten, he saves a dozen songbirds.
 
2013-02-21 11:23:44 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I'm not religious by any means, but what they did to those churches is a sacrilege.


Yeah, they should have relied more on the laser guided missl... oh, wait.
 
2013-02-21 11:24:06 AM
Well mostly because America got involved, so rather than WWI being a good, old fashioned European Empires fight stupidly expensive wars over border provinces and the winner gets a few hundred miles of real estate, it became a decisive conflict that lead to extremely harsh peace terms being placed on Germany.  Which in turn destabilized its whole domestic government structure and led to Hitler.

Whereas had we stayed out, we would have gotten rich selling everyone weapons.  Then there would have been a chance for repeat business when the Soviets finally tried to back Ukraine, Belarus, etc, from the Germany Empire.
 
2013-02-21 11:25:10 AM
If Wilson had stuck to his guns regarding the 14 points (which the Germans were sort of cool with) and not let the French and British humiliate the Germans it might not have had a sequel.

That or a full military defeat of Germany, which hadn't yet happened.

i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-02-21 11:25:16 AM
If you're into this sort of thing, Michelin produced a bunch of travel guides to the battlefields of WW1 around 1919-1920. Lots of pictures like this (along with some before & after pics), maps of the battlefields, etc. Here's the one for Ypres:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-MICHELIN-GUIDES-TO-THE-BATTLE-FIELDS -1 919-WW1-THE-BATTLES-OF-YPRES-/350716088819?pt=Non_Fiction&hash=item51a 84ed1f3
 
2013-02-21 11:25:41 AM

cgraves67: They had to do a sequel in order to pay off the rebuilding.


WWII: Electric Boogaloo
 
2013-02-21 11:25:42 AM
A huge bomb crater? Did they even have the ability to deliver something that would leave that big of a hole? How do you throw a 500Lb bomb out of your bi-plane?

l2.yimg.com
 
2013-02-21 11:25:59 AM
They needed a sequel because the victors of WWI thought that the best way to crush the spirits of the German people was to eliminate any chance of economic recovery and turn the country into a perpetual debtor state. Somehow, I don't think they thought their cunning plan all the way through.

But they can't say they weren't warned.

churlsgonewild.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-21 11:27:07 AM
I once had a book that was called '100 years of news photographs' or something of the sort. One of the images that has always stuck with me was from the first world war. It was muddy ground churned up and pocked with craters as far as the eye could see, not a single plant or tree or building. In the foreground was a machine gun nest set up in a shell crater with two dead soldiers. They were the only people you could see in the shot, and it looked lonely as hell.
 
2013-02-21 11:27:47 AM

priapic_abandon: If Wilson had stuck to his guns regarding the 14 points (which the Germans were sort of cool with) and not let the French and British humiliate the Germans it might not have had a sequel.

That or a full military defeat of Germany, which hadn't yet happened.

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But the eventual creation of the League of Nations and then the United Nations made it all worthwhile!
 
2013-02-21 11:29:17 AM

abhorrent1: A huge bomb crater? Did they even have the ability to deliver something that would leave that big of a hole? How do you throw a 500Lb bomb out of your bi-plane?

[l2.yimg.com image 630x471]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_gun
 
2013-02-21 11:29:43 AM
DEATH  BY GOVERNMENT
By R.J. Rummel
 
2013-02-21 11:30:17 AM

ha-ha-guy: Well mostly because America got involved, so rather than WWI being a good, old fashioned European Empires fight stupidly expensive wars over border provinces and the winner gets a few hundred miles of real estate, it became a decisive conflict that lead to extremely harsh peace terms being placed on Germany.  Which in turn destabilized its whole domestic government structure and led to Hitler.

Whereas had we stayed out, we would have gotten rich selling everyone weapons.  Then there would have been a chance for repeat business when the Soviets finally tried to back Ukraine, Belarus, etc, from the Germany Empire.


That is not at all what happened. New technology made mass armies viable, but gave the advantage to defense. The war had turned into a winner-take-all grudge match long before the U.S. came in. European wars that ended with the turnover of a few border forts went out with Napolean.
 
2013-02-21 11:30:33 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I'm not religious by any means, but what they did to those churches is a sacrilege.


Indeed. Lots of historical architecture and art lost forever. Churches... hell, even stuff from the roman empire.
 
2013-02-21 11:32:01 AM

ZAZ: Somebody mentioned the BBC miniseries Threads in a thread recently so I watched parts of it. I think I've had enough postapocalyptic destruction for this week.

Haunting, rare images

I remember when it was possible for an image to be "rare." That was before pictures were digital.


The Lost Detectives is or was a BBC series on recovering and identifying World War I dead from Northern France and Belgium. Sometimes their job is easy as when they find several bodies buried in an unmarked grave. Sometimes their job is difficult as when they scour a very large area of front line trench and the biggest human remains they find is a tooth and a small skull fragment that fits in the palm of your hand. (They knew lots of people were killed in that trench area but they were killed by artillery fire.) And sometimes their job is impossible because after they take a break for the night, looters with metal detectors destroy the site by removing any metal objects. The problem is those metal objects are often the only way of identifying the corpses near them.

90+ years of peaceful slumber just to be violated and desecrated.
 
2013-02-21 11:32:21 AM
You know who else witnessed the atrocities of WWI?
 
2013-02-21 11:33:31 AM
 
2013-02-21 11:33:34 AM

abhorrent1: A huge bomb crater? Did they even have the ability to deliver something that would leave that big of a hole? How do you throw a 500Lb bomb out of your bi-plane?

[l2.yimg.com image 630x471]


You don't.  However, they had other means of delivering large ordnance...

www.english.illinois.edu
 
2013-02-21 11:33:51 AM

ZAZ: Somebody mentioned the BBC miniseries Threads in a thread recently so I watched parts of it. I think I've had enough postapocalyptic destruction for this week.


Ah, Threads. My all time #1 "most depressing end to a film, ever". And I have an extreme interest in any nuclear-apocalypse related material. If you're looking for something a *bit* tamer (but still fantastically depressing), try the US equivalent, "The Day After".

Re: TFA, the one with the huge bomb crater puzzles me. The crater size suggests a very large explosive device, reminiscent of an air dropped 2,000Lb. dumb. But those bombs didn't exist back then, nor did the aircraft to carry them. I was under the impression that the largest explosive devices used in WWI were the shells fired from railroad-based artillery platforms, but thought those topped out at around a half ton. A little digging reveals a 520mm 3100Lb shell developed by the French, but it was never put into service.

Any "big gun" fetishists out there that have any input?
 
2013-02-21 11:35:01 AM
 
2013-02-21 11:35:18 AM

abhorrent1: A huge bomb crater? Did they even have the ability to deliver something that would leave that big of a hole? How do you throw a 500Lb bomb out of your bi-plane?

[l2.yimg.com image 630x471]


That's a mine crater. The war went underground with mining. The Disaster at Gallipoli is a documentary about how the Allies couldn't scale the heights they didn't realize were there before the invasion, so they started tunneling inland from the trenches.
 
2013-02-21 11:36:00 AM
Blowing up things is cool.
 
2013-02-21 11:36:20 AM

abhorrent1: A huge bomb crater? Did they even have the ability to deliver something that would leave that big of a hole? How do you throw a 500Lb bomb out of your bi-plane?


That would take a whole hell of a lot more than a 500lb bomb. That being said, by the end of the war strategic bombing with bombers capable of carrying 2000lb bomb loads was in full swing. Look up the German R series planes, the Handley Page 0/400, etc.

However, this pic has nothing to do with bombs and bombers. It's the result of mining. The Western Front became a static war of trenches running over 1000 miles from the coast to the Alps, where advances were incredibly difficult unless the defenses were totally destroyed, and the only way to totally destroy the defenses was to dig a mine under the enemy trenches and then pack it with thousands and thousands of pounds of explosives and then blow the entire thing up. There were mines and countermines everywhere with thousands dying in tunnels down below the trenches, where thousands were dying to artillery, machine guns, and poison gas. It was a lovely war.
 
2013-02-21 11:37:01 AM

abhorrent1: A huge bomb crater? Did they even have the ability to deliver something that would leave that big of a hole? How do you throw a 500Lb bomb out of your bi-plane?

[l2.yimg.com image 630x471]


They used to tunnel underneath enemy lines and pack the shaft with a few tons (tonnes) of explosives.
Not humanities finest hour.
 
2013-02-21 11:38:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPGrrnpzB_Y

Here's a video of one of several very large mines detonated during battle. There are undiscovered huge mines still in France.
 
2013-02-21 11:38:44 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: The Disaster at Gallipoli is a documentary about how the Allies couldn't scale the heights they didn't realize were there before the invasion, so they started tunneling inland from the trenches.


also known as the attack of the Mole People.
 
2013-02-21 11:39:28 AM

SpdrJay: You know Tolstoy's first draft of War and Peace was entitled "War, What is it Good For?"


I'm sorry, can you say that again?
 
2013-02-21 11:41:08 AM

abhorrent1: A huge bomb crater? Did they even have the ability to deliver something that would leave that big of a hole? How do you throw a 500Lb bomb out of your bi-plane?

[l2.yimg.com image 630x471]


Blown up by mines, not artillery.

http://www.firstworldwar.com/battles/messines.htm
 
2013-02-21 11:44:20 AM

ha-ha-guy: abhorrent1: A huge bomb crater? Did they even have the ability to deliver something that would leave that big of a hole? How do you throw a 500Lb bomb out of your bi-plane?

[l2.yimg.com image 630x471]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_gun


While a shell from a Railway Gun may have been able to create a crater that large ( I don't know but those were some big damn guns ), I believe the text on the picture indicates that it was from the Battle of Messines where a large amount of explosive was placed under the German lines in abandoned mines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_artificial_non-nucl ea r_explosions#World_War_I_era
 
2013-02-21 11:47:13 AM

abhorrent1: A huge bomb crater? Did they even have the ability to deliver something that would leave that big of a hole? How do you throw a 500Lb bomb out of your bi-plane?

[l2.yimg.com image 630x471]


They dug a series of mines under the Messines Ridge and filled them with 5,000 tons of high explosives.  The resulting blast was heard in London. One of the few British successes of the battle of Passchendaele (Third Ypres).

/Wipers

How you drop a 500 lb. bomb out of your biplane:

flyingmachines.ru
 
2013-02-21 11:50:13 AM
abhorrent1:
A huge bomb crater? Did they even have the ability to deliver something that would leave that big of a hole? How do you throw a 500Lb bomb out of your bi-plane?

[l2.yimg.com image 630x471]


They made some pretty big biplanes:

goshycab.com
 
2013-02-21 11:55:43 AM
One of my college professors said that there wasn't really a first or second world war in Europe, it was just one war, but they needed to take a break from 1919-1939 to restock their armies.
 
2013-02-21 11:57:10 AM
 
2013-02-21 11:57:46 AM

No Such Agency: abhorrent1:
A huge bomb crater? Did they even have the ability to deliver something that would leave that big of a hole? How do you throw a 500Lb bomb out of your bi-plane?

[l2.yimg.com image 630x471]

They made some pretty big biplanes:

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WW I strategic bombing:

Although the German strategic bombing campaign against Britain was the most extensive of the war, it was largely ineffective. Only 300 tons of bombs were dropped, resulting in £2 million of damage, 1,400 dead and 4,800 injured. In the autumn of 1917, however, over 300,000 Londoners had taken shelter from the R-planes, and industrial production had taken a hit as a result.

I heard much larger numbers of British civilian casualties from German Zeppelin and fixed wing bombing. I think those numbers above are conservative.
 
2013-02-21 11:57:58 AM

SMB2811: ha-ha-guy: abhorrent1: A huge bomb crater? Did they even have the ability to deliver something that would leave that big of a hole? How do you throw a 500Lb bomb out of your bi-plane?

[l2.yimg.com image 630x471]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_gun

While a shell from a Railway Gun may have been able to create a crater that large ( I don't know but those were some big damn guns ), I believe the text on the picture indicates that it was from the Battle of Messines where a large amount of explosive was placed under the German lines in abandoned mines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_artificial_non-nucl ea r_explosions#World_War_I_era


Upon further review, you are correct.

Reminds me of the Battle of the Crater during the American Civil War.
 
2013-02-21 12:00:27 PM
Makes me wish there was a good WWI FPS shooter out there. Missing the old Medal of Honor series :(
 
2013-02-21 12:00:42 PM

GreatGlavinsGhost: WWI's practice run.

:(


I think you meant WWII. Guernica was 1937, in the Spanish Civil War.
 
2013-02-21 12:06:25 PM
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=584

The Imperial Russians had an amazing series of bombers. Fascinating how far ahead they were, even in bombsights.
 
2013-02-21 12:10:10 PM
For fark's sake people, the lower right hand corner of the image with the huge crater says "MINE CRATER". I guess even spelling it out isn't enough for you.
 
2013-02-21 12:13:33 PM

abhorrent1: A huge bomb crater? Did they even have the ability to deliver something that would leave that big of a hole? How do you throw a 500Lb bomb out of your bi-plane?

[l2.yimg.com image 630x471]


Likely it was due to "mining".

Dig a tunnel from your trenches to underneath your opponent's trench, stack a metric assload of explosives underneath them, back-fill the tunnel, and set it off.
 
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