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(The New York Times)   Billboard has revised its Hot 100 formula to include YouTube plays, which is good news for garbage like the "Harlem Shake" and bad news for music fans   (nytimes.com) divider line 74
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2013-02-21 09:03:56 AM
Could be better than tracking the radio.. can't find much of anything good around here less than a decade old.
 
2013-02-21 09:10:29 AM
I don't see anything wrong with it.  Yeah, we'll get more repetitive stuff like Chief Keef from youtube, but is that really worse than repetitive stuff like Lady Gaga from the radio?
 
2013-02-21 09:25:57 AM
So if a video of a cat singing gets a shiateload of views, is Billboard going to count the cat?  Where do they draw the line between legit artists and nonartists?
 
2013-02-21 09:26:38 AM
Are they going to start counting pandora and spotify plays too?
 
2013-02-21 09:37:40 AM

SlothB77: So if a video of a cat singing gets a shiateload of views, is Billboard going to count the cat?  Where do they draw the line between legit artists and nonartists?


At least the cat's singing is unprocessed and it's actually using its natural ability.
 
2013-02-21 09:46:11 AM
It's the Hot 100. There hasn't been proper music on that list in 10 years.
 
2013-02-21 09:54:51 AM
If I filled my iPod with music based on how popular it is on the radio or YouTube, it would be wall to wall crap.  For the most part, the same could be said for Billboard.  Yes, there are some very talented groups/artists out there right now making some really interesting and fun music, but it can't compete with the likes of Justin Bieber and faux hip-pop/R&B.  So, it doesn't get the chart positions it deserves, and it doesn't wrack up billions of YouTube hits.  Which stinks.  That said, there's always been shiatty music, even during the days of Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, and the Rolling Stones.  It's not like that's a new phenomena.
 
2013-02-21 10:12:02 AM

SlothB77: So if a video of a cat singing gets a shiateload of views, is Billboard going to count the cat?  Where do they draw the line between legit artists and nonartists?


You probably have to be a member of ASCAP or BMI or whatever.
 
2013-02-21 10:43:49 AM
Which Billboard?
 
2013-02-21 10:44:23 AM

SlothB77: So if a video of a cat singing gets a shiateload of views, is Billboard going to count the cat?  Where do they draw the line between legit artists and nonartists?


But enough about Ke$ha.
 
2013-02-21 10:48:10 AM
I actually see this as cool. Independent artists/labels have a (slightly) better chance of getting there stuff out there and getting some recognition.
 
2013-02-21 10:49:40 AM

SlothB77: So if a video of a cat singing gets a shiateload of views, is Billboard going to count the cat?  Where do they draw the line between legit artists and nonartists?


They'll just ask Farkers
 
2013-02-21 10:56:49 AM
Why is it bad news?

Who the hell relies on Billboard to discern their musical tastes for them?

Record charts are irrelevant.
 
2013-02-21 10:59:21 AM

AnotherBluesStringer: I actually see this as cool. Independent artists/labels have a (slightly) better chance of getting there stuff out there and getting some recognition.


Not really. Go look at the views for Justin Bieber on Vevo's Youtube Channel. My shoulder will be here when you come back to weep.
 
2013-02-21 11:00:21 AM
How cute. Another organization that thinks anyone cares what they do.

I don't think I have bought I have an album in ten years that made the Top 100. Maybe one of the Foo Fighters albums.
 
2013-02-21 11:02:28 AM
Really Cracked the other day was right. Us Grown adults need to stop biatching about music. Esp pop music and boy bands. It's sad an pathetic.
 
2013-02-21 11:05:31 AM
So here's an awful truth: The Hot 100 is influenced significantly by sales, though airplay and now YouTube play affect the outcome.

If a song you like happens to be liked overwhelmingly by people who can't be bothered to buy it...guess where it shows up on the chart? It doesn't.

Believe me, I'm not a cheerleader for the RIAA suing everybody in sight, but I also realize they're running a business, and if a portion of that business doesn't make them money, I can't fault them for considering it less important than the ones that do. Same goes for radio - if a format you like isn't on the radio, it may not be because there aren't enough people who like it, it may because there may not be enough people willing to pay for it.

Guess what I'm saying is you should be able to sample to your heart's content...but if you like it, buy it. (Even better if the artists runs their own label.)
 
2013-02-21 11:10:15 AM

verbaltoxin: AnotherBluesStringer: I actually see this as cool. Independent artists/labels have a (slightly) better chance of getting there stuff out there and getting some recognition.

Not really. Go look at the views for Justin Bieber on Vevo's Youtube Channel. My shoulder will be here when you come back to weep.


Oh I realize that as long as you have your major studios and top 40 stations, your Biebers and Keshas will dominate. That's why I said "slightly." I did notice that Lindsey Stirling's most popular video wasn't to far behind Nickleback though. That's an improvement.
 
2013-02-21 11:15:33 AM
It's not like the Hot 100/Top 40 was full of great music anyway.

It has always been whatever 12 year old girls like, with the occasional OK song showing up here and there.
 
2013-02-21 11:22:44 AM

Ishkur: Why is it bad news?

Who the hell relies on Billboard to discern their musical tastes for them?

Record charts are irrelevant.


nailed it
 
2013-02-21 11:28:36 AM
Billboard has revised its Hot 100 formula to include YouTube plays, which is good news for garbage like the "Harlem Shake" and bad news for music fans
 
2013-02-21 11:36:35 AM
Way the hell is a 'Harlem Shake'?
 
kab
2013-02-21 11:38:02 AM

Ishkur: Record charts are irrelevant.


beat me to it.
 
2013-02-21 11:49:47 AM

Aar1012: Way the hell is a 'Harlem Shake'?


Gangnam Style is old news apparently; this is its successor. Thankfully, I give it 2 or 3 weeks before it completely collapses in on itself and no one talks about it anymore.
 
2013-02-21 11:52:29 AM

Aar1012: Way the hell is a 'Harlem Shake'?


Line dancing'2013
 
2013-02-21 12:00:48 PM

WTF Indeed: It's the Hot 100. There hasn't been proper music on that list in 10 years.


Yeah. Go back a few more years and you see really good music on the Hot 100. Like in 1997 when MMMBop was on there or, even better, 1996 when Macarena was on top of the list.
 
2013-02-21 12:07:33 PM

Aar1012: Way the hell is a 'Harlem Shake'?


It's apparently a new flash dance meme thing. People keep posting "Harlem Shake, Gamma and Gampa edition" on my Facebook feed, and I keep not watching it. Something copies that much, so quickly, has for to be horrible.
 
2013-02-21 12:18:38 PM
Macklemore & Ryan Lewis's track "Thrift Shop" was once again the most-downloaded track of the week, with 412,000 sales. But with the arrival of "Harlem Shake," it falls to No. 2 on the Hot 100.


This has to be the worst-ever 1-2 punch at the top of Billboard's charts, and that says a lot.
 
2013-02-21 12:21:07 PM

Ishkur: Why is it bad news?

Who the hell relies on Billboard to discern their musical tastes for them?

Record charts are irrelevant.


I disagree. When a song gets to the top of the charts, it gets a ton of press. This causes people to go "hmm, what's that?", then either purchase the song or (gasp!) maybe the album it is on. To the record industry, charts are incredibly relevant, as they are an "independent" (cough cough) verification of the quality of their product.

Yes, I know the charts are mostly fixed and gamed. I'm just saying there's a reason the general public bought 50 million downloads of Ke$ha and not "Clockwork Angels". Because of the percieved relevance of the charts.
 
2013-02-21 12:30:44 PM
Subby, this is a good thing.

Gangnam Style and Rebecca Black's Friday are some of the most heard songs on earth. By definition they should be on top of the charts. Love it or hate it, that's reality.
 
2013-02-21 12:41:28 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Aar1012: Way the hell is a 'Harlem Shake'?

It's apparently a new flash dance meme thing. People keep posting "Harlem Shake, Gamma and Gampa edition" on my Facebook feed, and I keep not watching it. Something copies that much, so quickly, has for to be horrible.


Guild members in my WoW guild trying to put together a video doing this ingame... *rolls eyes*
 
2013-02-21 12:54:11 PM

Aar1012: Way the hell is a 'Harlem Shake'?


It's this awesome song by the Rolling Stones that has a racial caricature cartoon cat in the video.
 
2013-02-21 01:21:44 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Aar1012: Way the hell is a 'Harlem Shake'?

It's apparently a new flash dance meme thing. People keep posting "Harlem Shake, Gamma and Gampa edition" on my Facebook feed, and I keep not watching it. Something copies that much, so quickly, has for to be horrible.


I can't tell you how many "friends" I have unfollowed or placed on ignore in my news feed because of the Harlem Shake. I pray the Farker that predicted it collapsing on itself is correct. It's spreading like The Thing, except we have no MacReady to light it on fire.

And I thought I'd ignored a lot of "friends" in the week and day of (and after) the election. Why do I have a facebook again?

/my lawn, you are on it
//28 years old
 
2013-02-21 01:22:55 PM

verbaltoxin: AnotherBluesStringer: I actually see this as cool. Independent artists/labels have a (slightly) better chance of getting there stuff out there and getting some recognition.

Not really. Go look at the views for Justin Bieber on Vevo's Youtube Channel. My shoulder will be here when you come back to weep.


There are only so many radio stations out there.  An independent artist can easily upload a Youtube video.  That equals a better chance, even if it's a very small difference.
 
2013-02-21 01:35:55 PM

SlothB77: So if a video of a cat singing gets a shiateload of views, is Billboard going to count the cat?  Where do they draw the line between legit artists and nonartists?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEg4SEch27w

^^^THAT deserves to be on the top 100 compared to most music that's coming out now.
 
2013-02-21 02:01:13 PM
So, the Harlem Shake is 2013's dance craze?    Really?  I think I'd rather learn 2012's dance craze.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjQKCLvtLN0
 
2013-02-21 02:22:02 PM

Enfenestrate: WTF Indeed: It's the Hot 100. There hasn't been proper music on that list in 10 years.

Yeah. Go back a few more years and you see really good music on the Hot 100. Like in 1997 when MMMBop was on there or, even better, 1996 when Macarena was on top of the list.


This^
 
2013-02-21 02:26:47 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: SlothB77: So if a video of a cat singing gets a shiateload of views, is Billboard going to count the cat?  Where do they draw the line between legit artists and nonartists?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEg4SEch27w

^^^THAT deserves to be on the top 100 compared to most music that's coming out now.


One of these makes up for 3 Free Republics.
 
2013-02-21 02:28:31 PM
Enfenestrate: Like in 1997 when MMMBop was on there or

You shut your dirty whore mouth.
 
2013-02-21 02:49:12 PM
Not that anyone cares, but Baauer (the Harlem Shake producer) makes fantastic music. Yes, it's that new "trap" genre that the young whipper-snappers listen to, but his productions are very methodical and minimalist (unlike Harlem Shake) with heavy heavy bass.

It's a shame he's known for this track, but hopefully with the money coming in he'll be able to deliver a worthy first album.

Some samples if you like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3a6QrXYAoA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpJwaqQb92Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4dIXt2D8zw (clip)

/so what about Billboard?
//Outdated model is outdated
 
2013-02-21 03:08:35 PM

Coco LaFemme: If I filled my iPod with music based on how popular it is on the radio or YouTube, it would be wall to wall crap.  For the most part, the same could be said for Billboard.  Yes, there are some very talented groups/artists out there right now making some really interesting and fun music, but it can't compete with the likes of Justin Bieber and faux hip-pop/R&B.  So, it doesn't get the chart positions it deserves, and it doesn't wrack up billions of YouTube hits.  Which stinks.  That said, there's always been shiatty music, even during the days of Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, and the Rolling Stones.  It's not like that's a new phenomena.


Generally the charts are weak guideline to good music in any period.  As an example, here's 1975:
http://www.bobborst.com/popculture/top-100-songs-of-the-year/?year=1 97 5
and here's 2011
http://www.bobborst.com/popculture/top-100-songs-of-the-year/?year=2 01 1

Depending on your tastes and accounting for some "nostalgia appeal" in the first list, they're pretty comparable (also noteworthy, Rock has its own list now which somehow makes it illegal to crossover into hot 100 territory while Country has held its immunity to this clause) Any given year sees an overwhelming amount of crap become hits and good music overlooked due to lack of exposure.
 
2013-02-21 03:33:51 PM
This is great news for Helge Schneider!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKvYDpmSX2Y

(might be NSFW - brief nudity, fake poop Hillary Clinton)
 
2013-02-21 03:34:49 PM
yeah.. missed a comma there.

fake poop, Hillary Clinton.

Though a Hillary made of fake poop, while not exactly
enjoyable, would be quite an achievement.
 
2013-02-21 03:36:42 PM
Well, the audience has to actually go and intentionally seek out stuff on YouTube, whereas the radio just plays what the conglomerates pay them to play with no real audience input.

If anything, this is a more valid method of finding out what's well-liked.

nameofperson: Yes, it's that new "trap" genre that the young whipper-snappers listen to


This annoys me.

You don't get to randomly declare your shiat a completely new genre every time someone throws in a measure with a different time signature or blows a whistle over a beat.  Your crap is just synthesized club music, not perceptibly different from the heavy-beat stuff from the 80s, Skrillex's shiat, or the muzak-variant stuff that plays in any WB show with ambiguous 30-somethings pretending to be teenagers in a venue with alcohol.

Stop it with the pretensions of grandeur already.  We get enough of that from the poppy Bjork/Yoko Ono bullshiat end of the music industry, we don't have to take it from every jackass that discovered that you can make sound effects with a mixer program on a computer, too.
 
2013-02-21 04:26:35 PM
If only this happened sooner, Friday would get the respect it deserves.
 
2013-02-21 05:29:05 PM

sure haven't: Subby, this is a good thing.

Gangnam Style and Rebecca Black's Friday are some of the most heard songs on earth. By definition they should be on top of the charts. Love it or hate it, that's reality.


But shouldn't "Final Countdown" by Deep Sunshine also be on that list?

Quick, summon Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener!
 
2013-02-21 05:30:18 PM
These days there's only two types of radio stations left:
1. Latin music
2. AM talk

In other words, the radio companies are left targeting two groups of people who are less likely to be able to afford MP3 players: first generation Latin American immigrants and rednecks.
 
2013-02-21 05:33:56 PM
Jim_Callahan:

nameofperson: Yes, it's that new "trap" genre that the young whipper-snappers listen to

This annoys me.


Given that I'm dumb and can't parse if the hatred is directed at me or the "trap" label, I'm gonna say that I put it in quotes precisely because of what you say. Trap is actually a subgenre of hip hop, (southern if I recall correctly), which was basically appropriated by some people for this electronic sound. Even Baauer, ostensibly now the poster boy for the sound, doesn't like to be called trap, just simply "hip hop".

/but marketing and stuff
//music is just music, either good or bad
 
2013-02-21 05:36:45 PM

MrEricSir: These days there's only two types of radio stations left:
1. Latin music
2. AM talk

In other words, the radio companies are left targeting two groups of people who are less likely to be able to afford MP3 players: first generation Latin American immigrants and rednecks.


Clear Channel's iHeartRadio app works on just about every MP3 player and smartphone, and even lets you access some stations not owned by CC. But please, don't let facts get in the way of your sweeping generalizations.
 
2013-02-21 05:44:42 PM

B.L.Z. Bub: MrEricSir: These days there's only two types of radio stations left:
1. Latin music
2. AM talk

In other words, the radio companies are left targeting two groups of people who are less likely to be able to afford MP3 players: first generation Latin American immigrants and rednecks.

Clear Channel's iHeartRadio app works on just about every MP3 player and smartphone, and even lets you access some stations not owned by CC. But please, don't let facts get in the way of your sweeping generalizations.


And I'm sure all three users love it.
 
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