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2013-02-21 09:23:28 AM
So this guy transferred into our group from another division recently and he seemed like an OK guy.  A little socially awkward, but no big deal.  He's an engineer so I get it.

But a few weeks ago he started forwarding articles to us.  Now, nobody I know in the office does this.  It's pretty faux pas around here.  Apparently, the fact that nobody does this hasn't indicated to him that he shouldn't do it.

So I thought he was just awkward until he forwarded me an American Thinker article.  It was something like "these black kids had a scholarship, but they stole iPods anyway because their names are Tyronne and also Trayvon Martin... THANKS A LOT, OBAMA."

It's kind of changed my perspective because I thought of American Thinker people as assholes, but now I see them as just weird and sad.

Anyway, csb.
 
2013-02-21 09:33:28 AM

Rapmaster2000: So this guy transferred into our group from another division recently and he seemed like an OK guy.  A little socially awkward, but no big deal.  He's an engineer so I get it.

But a few weeks ago he started forwarding articles to us.  Now, nobody I know in the office does this.  It's pretty faux pas around here.  Apparently, the fact that nobody does this hasn't indicated to him that he shouldn't do it.

So I thought he was just awkward until he forwarded me an American Thinker article.  It was something like "these black kids had a scholarship, but they stole iPods anyway because their names are Tyronne and also Trayvon Martin... THANKS A LOT, OBAMA."

It's kind of changed my perspective because I thought of American Thinker people as assholes, but now I see them as just weird and sad.

Anyway, csb.


That behavior would be rapidly squashed here.

As for the "article"  -

Inappropriate behavior, sexual or otherwise, is wrong and should be punished.  If (and that's a big IF) incidents of inappropriate homosexual behavior are being unequally investigated, that would be wrong.  I don't believe it, but it would wrong nonetheless.

But that is not to say that the makeup of our military is the problem.  It's a code of conduct problem.  I fail to see how the world's most powerful and professional military force can't handle integration.  Lesser world militaries do.  We can, too.
 
2013-02-21 09:40:39 AM
I need a "I read the comments at American Thinker and lived" T-Shirt.

Of course, I'll need counselling, but I still made it out alive.
 
2013-02-21 09:44:17 AM
American Stinker has an article on rape in the military?

[quizzicaldog]

*reads article*

Ah, they are using the fact that rape exists within the military to try to bolster their "gays and women don't belong in the military" argument and failing hard as usual.

Phew, thought I might have woken up in bizzarro world or something.

Here's an dear. How about letting women and gays serve but kicking the rapists out?
 
2013-02-21 10:39:34 AM

quatchi: "gays and women don't belong in the military"


I refuse to read their trite, it gives me a headache, but is this a fair assessment of TFA itself?
 
2013-02-21 10:57:11 AM
You take a group of mostly young and mostly in shape people and you put them in isolation together, you don't think there is going to be some effing going on?!

Add to that the pressure of being in a forwarded area and I guarantee you there is some effing going on. My only hope is that it is consensual and they are using protection.
 
2013-02-21 11:08:52 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: You take a group of mostly young and mostly in shape people and you put them in isolation together, you don't think there is going to be some effing going on?!

Add to that the pressure of being in a forwarded area and I guarantee you there is some effing going on. My only hope is that it is consensual and they are using protection.


Do they supply the troops with contraception?  I honestly don't know.  But in the current climate, I could see a certain segment of the populace having a real problem with that.  Dumb as that might be.
 
2013-02-21 11:15:39 AM
I never had more sex with more different partners than when I was in AIT during the reign of Ronald of The Reagan. Seriously.
 
2013-02-21 11:17:14 AM
Lack of lesbian uniform pica saddens me almost as much as thhe politics tab.
 
2013-02-21 11:18:03 AM

Diogenes: The Stealth Hippopotamus: You take a group of mostly young and mostly in shape people and you put them in isolation together, you don't think there is going to be some effing going on?!

Add to that the pressure of being in a forwarded area and I guarantee you there is some effing going on. My only hope is that it is consensual and they are using protection.

Do they supply the troops with contraception?  I honestly don't know.  But in the current climate, I could see a certain segment of the populace having a real problem with that.  Dumb as that might be.


They did in our clinic. It's kind if awesome- instead of taking a zero tolerance stance, it sends a message that if you're going to violate General Order 1, at least be safe about it. They also sell it in the exchanges there since many other countries and contractors don't have to follow our rules.
 
2013-02-21 11:18:08 AM
FTFA:
The Invisible War's subject matter has reached disturbing proportions. One of the web pages on the film website states that "20% of all active-duty female soldiers are sexually assaulted."

Guess what, dude.  American women in general have a 25% chance of being raped.  According to multiple studies.  So it's actually less prevalent in active duty military than it is in Hometown, USA.

/critical thinking -- what does it mean?
 
2013-02-21 11:18:35 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: You take a group of mostly young and mostly in shape people and you put them in isolation together, you don't think there is going to be some effing going on?!


I think that like most other right-wing issues these days, it's not a matter of whether there are legitimate questions to be raised, it's a matter of the right not raising them.

It's not that you're wrong on the surface, it's that the presentation from AT is total bullshiat.
 
2013-02-21 11:20:00 AM

quatchi: How about letting women and gays serve but kicking the rapists out?


Pfft. Ideas.
 
2013-02-21 11:20:29 AM

quatchi: Here's an dear. How about letting women and gays serve but kicking the rapists out?


Stop trying to turn One Nation under God's Army into another arm of the liberal agenda.  If you let blacks, gays, jews or wimmin serve, the Communists will win.
 
2013-02-21 11:22:12 AM

urbangirl: Guess what, dude. American women in general have a 25% chance of being raped. According to multiple studies. So it's actually less prevalent in active duty military than it is in Hometown, USA.


That's pretty significant, but I'm not so sure I buy it, having a passing understanding of statistics. I'm perfectly willing to admit that it's the case, but, for my own edification, could you provide a cite?
 
2013-02-21 11:22:38 AM
"OK, people: We're going to put you in a situation were we expect you to mercilessly kill at our command, be subjected to stress levels that will almost certainly permanently damage your psyche in some way, and possibly be seconds away from death at any given time. Also, we expect you behave exactly as you would in normal society under those conditions. That shouldn't be a problem, right?"
 
2013-02-21 11:23:28 AM

MFAWG: I never had more sex with more different partners than when I was in AIT during the reign of Ronald of The Reagan. Seriously.


I was in MCT (a combat training course for non-infantry Marines) in early 2002.  We had a 3 day weekend for MLK day, and were told we were only allowed to go off base in uniform, were not allowed to visit a titty bar, drink alcohol, or rent a hotel room.

On that weekend, we lost half of the instructors and approximately 30 of the Marines in the course at that time.  They all got arrested for holding an orgy in the pool of a local motel 6.
 
2013-02-21 11:24:41 AM

Virtuoso80: "OK, people: We're going to put you in a situation were we expect you to mercilessly kill at our command, be subjected to stress levels that will almost certainly permanently damage your psyche in some way, and possibly be seconds away from death at any given time. Also, we expect you behave exactly as you would in normal society under those conditions. That shouldn't be a problem, right?"


To the extent that certain other crimes are... well, crimes, haven't we been saying that to our soldiers for centuries, now?
 
2013-02-21 11:24:47 AM

CapeFearCadaver: quatchi: "gays and women don't belong in the military"

I refuse to read their trite, it gives me a headache, but is this a fair assessment of TFA itself?


If you have seen enough of their tripe to know that it gives you a headache then you KNOW that it's a fair assessment of ANY article on their site.
 
2013-02-21 11:27:31 AM
www.mindhuestudio.com
 
2013-02-21 11:28:10 AM
i8.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-21 11:28:41 AM

quatchi: Here's an dear. How about letting women and gays serve but kicking the rapists out?


That means you'd have to get rid of all those felons you let sign up under stop-loss policies.
 
2013-02-21 11:29:19 AM

palelizard: quatchi: Here's an dear. How about letting women and gays serve but kicking the rapists out?

Stop trying to turn One Nation under God's Army into another arm of the liberal agenda.  If you let blacks, gays, jews or wimmin serve, the Communists will win.


Don't forget the Irish. No one wants to sit in a foxhole with a Ginger, they'll murder you faster than the enemy will
 
2013-02-21 11:33:32 AM
Men and Women are not the same...

www.brucesallan.com
 
2013-02-21 11:34:42 AM

ib_thinkin: urbangirl: Guess what, dude. American women in general have a 25% chance of being raped. According to multiple studies. So it's actually less prevalent in active duty military than it is in Hometown, USA.

That's pretty significant, but I'm not so sure I buy it, having a passing understanding of statistics. I'm perfectly willing to admit that it's the case, but, for my own edification, could you provide a cite?


I could see that being a total amount of women sexually molested and assaulted in their lifetime which is horrendous but the odds of being assaulted at any given time seems suspect.
 
2013-02-21 11:35:01 AM
Sexual assault has been rampant throughout........usually by the DoD contractors, who knowingly allow it to happen, who protect the male employees, and who get away with it thanks to their political contacts in the DoD.
 
2013-02-21 11:35:17 AM
I miss the days when soldiers raped local civilians instead of each other.
 
2013-02-21 11:35:54 AM

I_Am_Weasel: I need a "I read the comments at American Thinker and lived" T-Shirt.

Of course, I'll need counselling, but I still made it out alive.


How about "I read the comments at American Thinker and all I got was a headache and this lousy shirt" ?
 
2013-02-21 11:36:43 AM

ib_thinkin: urbangirl: Guess what, dude. American women in general have a 25% chance of being raped. According to multiple studies. So it's actually less prevalent in active duty military than it is in Hometown, USA.

That's pretty significant, but I'm not so sure I buy it, having a passing understanding of statistics. I'm perfectly willing to admit that it's the case, but, for my own edification, could you provide a cite?


An American woman has a 25 to 26 percent chance of being raped in her lifetime (1 in 4). (Greenberg, Bruess and Haffner, 573; Horowitz, 413; Lips, 233).

(Greenberg, Jerrold S., Clint E. Bruess, and Debra W. Haffner. Exploring the Dimensions
of Human Sexuality. Sudbury, MA. Jones and Bartlett Publishers, 2000.)
(Lips, Hilary M. Sex & Gender: An Introduction. Fourth Ed. Mountain View, CA.
Mayfield Publishing Company, 2001.)
Sorry, can't find the Horowitz cite.

CDC study (1995) said 20%.  Other sources may have included an allowance for unreported rapes.  Don't know without much more research than I'm willing to embark on for the pruposes of FARK!
 
2013-02-21 11:36:51 AM

ib_thinkin: Virtuoso80: "OK, people: We're going to put you in a situation were we expect you to mercilessly kill at our command, be subjected to stress levels that will almost certainly permanently damage your psyche in some way, and possibly be seconds away from death at any given time. Also, we expect you behave exactly as you would in normal society under those conditions. That shouldn't be a problem, right?"

To the extent that certain other crimes are... well, crimes, haven't we been saying that to our soldiers for centuries, now?


Well, rape and pillage used to be the norm for some cultures. Other cultures frowned upon it, but their soldiers still did their share of rape and pillage, it just wasn't talked about. To some extent, I think things are more 'civil' than they've ever been, but it's still foolish to think you can go to war without an Abu Ghraib, or a few instances of rape. It's the nature of the beast that is war. Don't like it? Fight less wars.
 
2013-02-21 11:38:34 AM

ib_thinkin: urbangirl: Guess what, dude. American women in general have a 25% chance of being raped. According to multiple studies. So it's actually less prevalent in active duty military than it is in Hometown, USA.

That's pretty significant, but I'm not so sure I buy it, having a passing understanding of statistics. I'm perfectly willing to admit that it's the case, but, for my own edification, could you provide a cite?


btw, that's in her lifetime, not annual
 
2013-02-21 11:41:25 AM

Lost Thought 00: palelizard: quatchi: Here's an dear. How about letting women and gays serve but kicking the rapists out?

Stop trying to turn One Nation under God's Army into another arm of the liberal agenda.  If you let blacks, gays, jews or wimmin serve, the Communists will win.

Don't forget the Irish. No one wants to sit in a foxhole with a Ginger, they'll murder you faster than the enemy will


I have only this to say about the Irish:  at least they aren't the Dutch.
 
2013-02-21 11:41:33 AM
I just have happened to be an ex paralegal from the Army just recently.

I assure you everyone...

...we're so farked. I am not even joking. You do NOT WANT to see how bad it is. It's like our last two president's had a pissing match on our children.
 
2013-02-21 11:42:04 AM

urbangirl: FTFA:
The Invisible War's subject matter has reached disturbing proportions. One of the web pages on the film website states that "20% of all active-duty female soldiers are sexually assaulted."

Guess what, dude.  American women in general have a 25% chance of being raped.  According to multiple studies.  So it's actually less prevalent in active duty military than it is in Hometown, USA.

/critical thinking -- what does it mean?


Women in the general public have a 25% chance of being raped in any 4-6 year period?

So the average woman is raped how many times in their lives?
 
2013-02-21 11:42:34 AM

urbangirl: FTFA:
The Invisible War's subject matter has reached disturbing proportions. One of the web pages on the film website states that "20% of all active-duty female soldiers are sexually assaulted."

Guess what, dude.  American women in general have a 25% chance of being raped.  According to multiple studies.  So it's actually less prevalent in active duty military than it is in Hometown, USA.

/critical thinking -- what does it mean?


From a purely statistical point of view though -- that 25% applies to civilian women's entire lives, whereas even the most dedicated female soldier is not going to spend their entire life in the armed forces.  So it's a difference of having a 25% chance of being raped in the expected 80 years of life vs a 20% of being raped in the maybe 10-20 years* that a typical soldier might spend in uniform.

*pulled that out of my ass, no idea how long the average military career is.
 
2013-02-21 11:43:10 AM

urbangirl: ib_thinkin: urbangirl: Guess what, dude. American women in general have a 25% chance of being raped. According to multiple studies. So it's actually less prevalent in active duty military than it is in Hometown, USA.

That's pretty significant, but I'm not so sure I buy it, having a passing understanding of statistics. I'm perfectly willing to admit that it's the case, but, for my own edification, could you provide a cite?

An American woman has a 25 to 26 percent chance of being raped in her lifetime (1 in 4). (Greenberg, Bruess and Haffner, 573; Horowitz, 413; Lips, 233).

(Greenberg, Jerrold S., Clint E. Bruess, and Debra W. Haffner. Exploring the Dimensions
of Human Sexuality. Sudbury, MA. Jones and Bartlett Publishers, 2000.)
(Lips, Hilary M. Sex & Gender: An Introduction. Fourth Ed. Mountain View, CA.
Mayfield Publishing Company, 2001.)
Sorry, can't find the Horowitz cite.

CDC study (1995) said 20%.  Other sources may have included an allowance for unreported rapes.  Don't know without much more research than I'm willing to embark on for the pruposes of FARK!



Ohhh, you don't understand context.
 
2013-02-21 11:43:21 AM

Lost Thought 00: Don't forget the Irish. No one wants to sit in a foxhole with a Ginger, they'll murder you faster than the enemy will


Not to mention being loud, drunk and obnoxious, drawing enemy fire like that. And who could bivouac with a guy who insisted on playing a bodhrain and pennywhistle all the time?
 
2013-02-21 11:51:09 AM

quatchi: American Stinker has an article on rape in the military?

[quizzicaldog]

*reads article*

Ah, they are using the fact that rape exists within the military to try to bolster their "gays and women don't belong in the military" argument and failing hard as usual.



What the hell are you talking about? History shows us that the BEST way to squash sexual deviancy and homosexuality in any organization is to make it all male. Look at prison, fraternities, the preisthood...
 
2013-02-21 11:55:24 AM

Diogenes: Do they supply the troops with contraception? I honestly don't know. But in the current climate, I could see a certain segment of the populace having a real problem with that. Dumb as that might be.


face palm

Why in the hell does the government have to supply them?! They get care packages. If not the PX will have them.

Now I have Dr. Strangelove in my head...

I'm ok with that.


/going to have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff
 
2013-02-21 11:56:28 AM
From TFA: "a woman serving in Iraq or Afghanistan is more likely to be raped by a fellow service member than to be killed in the line of fire."

Of course, they don't mention that a lot of this has to do with how the military has gotten quite good at saving wounded service member's lives, or how until very recently women weren't supposed to be in combat roles.
 
2013-02-21 11:58:39 AM
American Thinker?  Yeah, pass on this one.
 
2013-02-21 12:03:08 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: You take a group of mostly young and mostly in shape people and you put them in isolation together, you don't think there is going to be some effing going on?!


The same applies to the Olympics, I hear. Only more so.
 
2013-02-21 12:06:28 PM

Moopy Mac: urbangirl: FTFA:
The Invisible War's subject matter has reached disturbing proportions. One of the web pages on the film website states that "20% of all active-duty female soldiers are sexually assaulted."

Guess what, dude.  American women in general have a 25% chance of being raped.  According to multiple studies.  So it's actually less prevalent in active duty military than it is in Hometown, USA.

/critical thinking -- what does it mean?

Women in the general public have a 25% chance of being raped in any 4-6 year period?

So the average woman is raped how many times in their lives?


Raped, or raped-raped?
 
2013-02-21 12:08:32 PM
Don't women in the military have guns? I thought that's how they defend themselves from rape?

i406.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-21 12:08:56 PM
"All through history, heterosexual male soldiers have chased skirts and bedded them down, willingly or otherwise."


http://www.wnd.com/2010/12/242525/#AqDAbiYSJSgZlXoE.99
/Derpers like rape, so what's the big deal?
 
2013-02-21 12:09:07 PM
At least we've progressed to the point where rape is a debatable issue, rather than it not being a big deal. That's sort of the right direction.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-02-21 12:09:26 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: quatchi: American Stinker has an article on rape in the military?

[quizzicaldog]

*reads article*

Ah, they are using the fact that rape exists within the military to try to bolster their "gays and women don't belong in the military" argument and failing hard as usual.


What the hell are you talking about? History shows us that the BEST way to squash sexual deviancy and homosexuality in any organization is to make it all male. Look at prison, fraternities, the preisthood...


+1
 
2013-02-21 12:10:50 PM
Jesus Christ, people are still whining about DADT being overturned? Don't they realize they've lost? This is like one of those Japanese soldiers who was still fighting World War II on a Pacific island after it had ended.
 
2013-02-21 12:14:02 PM

urbangirl: btw, that's in her lifetime, not annual


So 1 in 4 American women is raped at some point between the time they are born and the time they die?

And 1 in 5 American servicewomen is raped at some point between the time they enlist and the time they are discharged?

And you think the American servicewoman is safer?
 
2013-02-21 12:14:51 PM

Gaseous Anomaly: The same applies to the Olympics, I hear. Only more so.


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lord knows I'd try. the consensual sex that is, not the rapey sex....
/dont have sexy pictures of females in US uniform.
 
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