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(Huffington Post)   NBC, a surprise leader in the Fall ratings, returns to form this winter with disastrous show after disastrous show. Even the power of Betty White can't save the Peacock   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 74
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2013-02-21 10:36:42 AM  
So what's the over/under on how many more community episodes I get to see before betrayed fanboi rage kills it?

I'm going with 3. (not including tonight's)
 
2013-02-21 10:38:51 AM  
Semi-on topic:  check out THE AMERICANS on FX.  It's really good.
 
2013-02-21 10:39:25 AM  
Community must live on forever!
 
2013-02-21 10:39:41 AM  
What's an NBC?

/And when is Mad Men returning? Oh, April 7. Nice.
 
2013-02-21 10:42:20 AM  

rocinante721: Semi-on topic:  check out THE AMERICANS on FX.  It's really good.


I'm liking it but not loving it.  They keep changing up their character development, but then again we're only 3 eps in.  Haven't seen last night's yet.

House of Cards is farking boss though.
 
2013-02-21 10:47:55 AM  

thecpt: So what's the over/under on how many more community episodes I get to see before betrayed fanboi rage kills it?

I'm going with 3. (not including tonight's)


I'm pretty sure they'll play this entire current season if only because NBC seems to be stuck in a position of not being able to cancel relatively established shows (read: the opposite of Do No Harm) for lack of a placeholder. I wouldn't bet on another season, though.
 
2013-02-21 10:49:12 AM  

thecpt: rocinante721: Semi-on topic:  check out THE AMERICANS on FX.  It's really good.

I'm liking it but not loving it.  They keep changing up their character development, but then again we're only 3 eps in.  Haven't seen last night's yet.

House of Cards is farking boss though.


Not many people saw last night's episode of Community.
 
2013-02-21 10:50:24 AM  

thecpt: rocinante721: Semi-on topic:  check out THE AMERICANS on FX.  It's really good.

I'm liking it but not loving it.  They keep changing up their character development, but then again we're only 3 eps in.  Haven't seen last night's yet.

House of Cards is farking boss though.


I need to check that out, hearing good things about HOC.
 
2013-02-21 11:05:54 AM  
The networks are screwed longterm. They used to have a monopoly on distribution, but not anymore.

The one area they still have leverage with is live content -- they probably should be trying to do as much sports as possible.
 
2013-02-21 11:06:06 AM  

GalFriday: Community must live on forever!


Six seasons and a movie!
 
2013-02-21 11:12:47 AM  
Couldnt NBC just doctor their numbers like they doctored Zimmerman's 911 call?
 
2013-02-21 11:22:01 AM  

Onkel Buck: Couldnt NBC just doctor their numbers like they doctored Zimmerman's 911 call?


Topical!

Anyway, just wanted to say that if you're not watching The Neighbors, you're an idiot.
 
2013-02-21 11:24:51 AM  

thecpt: rocinante721: Semi-on topic:  check out THE AMERICANS on FX.  It's really good.

I'm liking it but not loving it.  They keep changing up their character development, but then again we're only 3 eps in.  Haven't seen last night's yet.

House of Cards is farking boss though.


My wife is liking it, at least it is #2 on the DVR priority list (#1 naturally is Archer....its the only one I have on there).  I haven't caught much (I am usually on the computer while she is watching it, so I get it in "background mode") but what I have seems pretty interesting.
 
2013-02-21 11:37:38 AM  

ajt167: Anyway, just wanted to say that if you're not watching The Neighbors, you're an idiot.


The Neighbors is farking hilarious. I like the honesty in the humor.
 
2013-02-21 11:50:26 AM  

PIP_the_TROLL: ajt167: Anyway, just wanted to say that if you're not watching The Neighbors, you're an idiot.

The Neighbors is farking hilarious. I like the honesty in the humor.


Considering the premise, the show is much better than it has any right to be. To me, it's in the top 3 comedies on right now. Just goes to show that excellent writing and acting can make a terrible show on paper into something awesome.
 
2013-02-21 11:58:33 AM  
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2013-02-21 12:00:32 PM  
The Neighbors is surprisingly funny. Almost a must watch.
Though I realize the show will go stale quickly if they go past 2 seasons.

The Americans has been a great ride so far. FX is showing up as a real powerful Network based on it's quality programming.

Modern Family has dropped quite a bit this season in terms of quality. Too many Cam episodes, and the Pregnancy made the show unwatchable for 1/2 the season. It's very hard to do Funny biatchy, and they missed the mark.
 
2013-02-21 12:16:39 PM  
So what is the over/under that one of the over-the-air networks says "screw it" and starts broadcasting shows that have at least basic cable levels of boobs, blood, and bad language? And maybe changing to a cable-style schedule of airing episodes when they are good and ready and having fewer episodes per season?
 
2013-02-21 12:35:29 PM  

Pentaxian: So what is the over/under that one of the over-the-air networks says "screw it" and starts broadcasting shows that have at least basic cable levels of boobs, blood, and bad language? And maybe changing to a cable-style schedule of airing episodes when they are good and ready and having fewer episodes per season?


Considering even the good cable shows have trouble getting viewers, never. The highest rated cable shows are usually football, college football, reality garbage, and the Walking Dead. Breaking Bad does okay. I'm worried about the Americans. Damn fine show, but the ratings have been tepid. It's too damn good to go away.
 
2013-02-21 12:40:43 PM  

PIP_the_TROLL: ajt167: Anyway, just wanted to say that if you're not watching The Neighbors, you're an idiot.

The Neighbors is farking hilarious. I like the honesty in the humor.


I start watching The Neighbors expecting it to be stupid but I got hooked right away. It's one of the funniest shows on TV these days.
 
2013-02-21 12:42:35 PM  
Get the original House of Cards, from the BBC.
 
2013-02-21 12:43:59 PM  
Obvious.  NBC was riding the coattails of the NFL and The Voice in the fall.  Football is gone, they will get The Voice back at the end of March, but there's only a couple months there and it will be interesting to see if the new coaches have an impact on the ratings.
 
2013-02-21 12:59:05 PM  

Trocadero: Pentaxian: So what is the over/under that one of the over-the-air networks says "screw it" and starts broadcasting shows that have at least basic cable levels of boobs, blood, and bad language? And maybe changing to a cable-style schedule of airing episodes when they are good and ready and having fewer episodes per season?

Considering even the good cable shows have trouble getting viewers, never. The highest rated cable shows are usually football, college football, reality garbage, and the Walking Dead. Breaking Bad does okay. I'm worried about the Americans. Damn fine show, but the ratings have been tepid. It's too damn good to go away.


Breaking Bad does okay by cable standards but it wouldstill be canceled even by NBC.  We have seen more broadcast networks do shows with shorter seasons, but they just have so much more schedule space to fill that it's not realistic to expect them to do that with more than a handful of programs.
 
2013-02-21 01:11:27 PM  

notyomama: PIP_the_TROLL: ajt167: Anyway, just wanted to say that if you're not watching The Neighbors, you're an idiot.

The Neighbors is farking hilarious. I like the honesty in the humor.

I start watching The Neighbors expecting it to be stupid but I got hooked right away. It's one of the funniest shows on TV these days.


I agree completely.  I watched it for lack of anything better to do and now I am hooked.  I love the fact that Mary Lou Retton is a big slore!
 
2013-02-21 01:19:45 PM  

GalFriday: notyomama: PIP_the_TROLL: ajt167: Anyway, just wanted to say that if you're not watching The Neighbors, you're an idiot.

The Neighbors is farking hilarious. I like the honesty in the humor.

I start watching The Neighbors expecting it to be stupid but I got hooked right away. It's one of the funniest shows on TV these days.

I agree completely.  I watched it for lack of anything better to do and now I am hooked.  I love the fact that Mary Lou Retton is a big slore!


My parents turned me on to it, and they are about 80-20 on their recommendations. I suspected this to be in the 20 but was surprised. Larry Bird is my idol, JJK is amazing, and Amber Weaver has become my favorite.
 
2013-02-21 01:20:04 PM  

Pentaxian: So what is the over/under that one of the over-the-air networks says "screw it" and starts broadcasting shows that have at least basic cable levels of boobs, blood, and bad language?


This will (probably) never happen.

Cable networks aren't required to follow the FCC's indecency standards, broadcast networks are.
 
2013-02-21 01:23:13 PM  
Network TV is terrible as of late. There is almost nothing I watch. Agree about The Americans, great show. Thanks God for cable dramas.
 
2013-02-21 01:28:18 PM  
I love smash. I guess this will be its last season.
 
2013-02-21 01:46:04 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Network TV is terrible as of late. There is almost nothing I watch. Agree about The Americans, great show. Thanks God for cable dramas.


After the whole Community thing and the end of 30 Rock, the only network TV show I watch is Parks and Recreation.

I actually liked a couple of NBC's new shows from a couple seasons ago. For example, I thought that Awake needed some time to catch on. It wasn't perfect, but it was interesting and worth following. I just get the sense that the things that I like are different from what most network TV watchers like. I do much better getting my comedy from FX and HBO and my dramas from all over cable (and Netflix!).
 
2013-02-21 01:50:15 PM  

Smelly McUgly: I actually liked a couple of NBC's new shows from a couple seasons ago.


NBC used to be all I watched when they had the likes of Scrubs, Conan, better off ted, 30 Rock (pre tracy morgan hate rant) and Community just starting.  They have fallen considerably in the comedy aspect and now I get almost all my entertainment from FX
 
2013-02-21 01:55:51 PM  
I still say they should let her be the new Dr. Who.
 
2013-02-21 02:03:49 PM  
I watch "Arrow" on line on CW, they have a couple of commercial breaks and recently the promo for "The Cult" would show quite often.  I have never seen a more revolting , make be want to run away from promo than that.  Just hideous, about 4 shots of people in the process of committing suicide in the 30 seconds.
 
2013-02-21 02:08:13 PM  
The one thing saving community right now is that at the end of this season they'll be in a position to hit 100 episodes if they get renewed.  NBC will basically have to decide if they want to kill it now, or let it go a little longer and then make back the money from the syndication rights.
 
2013-02-21 02:09:51 PM  

thecpt: Smelly McUgly: I actually liked a couple of NBC's new shows from a couple seasons ago.

NBC used to be all I watched when they had the likes of Scrubs, Conan, better off ted, 30 Rock (pre tracy morgan hate rant) and Community just starting.  They have fallen considerably in the comedy aspect and now I get almost all my entertainment from FX


I thought ABC had Better Off Ted. I remember this because I was so surprised that ABC was doing a comedy as unconventionally funny as that one. I didn't find that show until Netflix, actually, and it's a shame that it didn't get more time. It didn't get really good until the second season, and by that time, it was over.

FX is pretty amazing for comedy. Archer, The League, Louie, and Always Sunny are a murderer's row of TV comedies. I do get why those shows flourish on a niche cable channel and not a broadcast network, though.
 
2013-02-21 02:18:01 PM  

Virtual Pariah: Modern Family has dropped quite a bit this season in terms of quality. Too many Cam episodes, and the Pregnancy made the show unwatchable for 1/2 the season. It's very hard to do Funny biatchy, and they missed the mark.


I have to respectfully disagree. MF has been consistently good this year, in my opinion, with the best moments being as good as anything they've done.
 
2013-02-21 02:18:49 PM  

Smelly McUgly: I thought ABC had Better Off Ted


fark you're right.  I forgot that scrubs switched to ABC and thats how I found out about better off ted.

Yeah, FX's unconventional comedies almost needed to build their fan base unlike the usual sit com which is supposed to be super accessible.
 
2013-02-21 02:23:37 PM  
The success/continuing success of Arrow, Vampire Diaries and Supernatural on CW, as well as Person of Interest finding a following should send a message to network execs. We need more dramas with tstrong characters AND an overarching story/theme, not just a regular setting. A crime lab or hospital set do not a series make.  Medical and crime procedurals are a weak genre that can't get a decent footing anymore, the only ones still fare well are time-tested ones that have been airing the better art of a decade or more. Audiences are getting bored with the slow development of characters connected solely by a workplace. I'm glad there are fewer series (outside Revolution) trying to be "the next Lost" but we could do to shift away from "the next Grey's Anatomy/CSI" tedium now.

In my opinion what most shows on major networks could really use is series that have an ongoing story to give them a backbone. The romantic interest + shared workplace + jumping between 4-5 characters stories just isn't as entertaining after seeing it play out for so long. Something borderline "procedural" is fine but the Arrow or PoI approach has streamlined it: 3 storylines in an episode, all related + a "subject of the week" + overarching mystery/recurring shadowy nemesis. Viewers like the familiar, but running over the same ground with a couple new bit players and no end game each week is what's killing non-comedy, non-reality TV on the big networks.
 
2013-02-21 02:28:02 PM  

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: The success/continuing success of Arrow, Vampire Diaries and Supernatural on CW


You don't look at ratings numbers do you?  The CW pulls in some of the lowest ratings of any network.  What passes as a success there would be cancelled after 2 episodes on most networks.  CW is a horrible benchmark for success.
 
2013-02-21 02:43:12 PM  
Television broadcasting doesn't have the "advantage" that some daily newspapers have now: To save money, they simply don't publish on some days.
I don't see NBC running a prime-time test pattern on its weakest night.
 
2013-02-21 02:50:45 PM  

Serial: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: The success/continuing success of Arrow, Vampire Diaries and Supernatural on CW

You don't look at ratings numbers do you?  The CW pulls in some of the lowest ratings of any network.  What passes as a success there would be cancelled after 2 episodes on most networks.  CW is a horrible benchmark for success.


And just to pile on, here's the last A18-49 rating of crime and medical procedurals debuted in the last three years:

Chicago Fire - 1.9/5
NCIS:LA - 2.7/7
Hawaii Five-0 - 2.0/5
Elementary - 2.2/6
Person of Interest - 3.0/8 (he lists it as an "arc" show but this is still a crime procedural at heart)

Compare that to:
Arrow - 0.9
Supernatural - 0.9
Vampire Diaries - 1.0
 
2013-02-21 02:52:42 PM  
I think this season has been one of the better for scripted, network comedy is a very long time.  Go On, The Neighbors, and Ben & Kate are great new shows that worked right away.  Existing series that are hitting a good stride (conceptually anyways) include Happy Endings, The Middle, Raising Hope, and Parks and Recreation.  Even long running series that were kind of stagnant have improved as they wind down, The Office and How I Met Your Mother.

Yeah, you have to be cautious to avoid shiat like Whitney and Two Broke Girls, but I think the variety available now is excellent.
 
2013-02-21 02:55:14 PM  
NCIS is the best decision CBS ever made. Not a huge fan of NCIS:LA. And I'm honestly shocked that Vegas is on the cancellation bubble. That's actually a pretty good show. Hope it lasts.
 
2013-02-21 03:05:01 PM  
NBC?  Is that the network that showed a partial season of "Revolution" and has now given it three or four months off before a new episode will air?  I'm shocked at how they have returned to suck.  "The Deciders" at the main broadcast networks must be seriously incompetent human beings.
 
2013-02-21 03:43:07 PM  

Trocadero: I'm worried about the Americans. Damn fine show, but the ratings have been tepid. It's too damn good to go away.


It's doing better than Damages did in the numbers, and that got 3 seasons on FX, and then got picked up for more by DirecTV.  I wonder if The Americans costs significantly more to produce though, that could make a difference.
 
2013-02-21 03:48:54 PM  

srtpointman: NCIS is the best decision CBS ever made. Not a huge fan of NCIS:LA. And I'm honestly shocked that Vegas is on the cancellation bubble. That's actually a pretty good show. Hope it lasts.


In that sense, picking up JAG from NBC was the best decision CBS ever made, since NCIS was a spinoff of JAG.

And Vegas has been surprisingly good.  The writing's on the wall there, though, and I hope they give at least some closure.
 
2013-02-21 03:51:49 PM  

ajt167: Onkel Buck: Couldnt NBC just doctor their numbers like they doctored Zimmerman's 911 call?

Topical!

Anyway, just wanted to say that if you're not watching The Neighbors, you're an idiot.


I saw one episode (when they all went to the mall) and thought it was horrendous. Is that indicative of the humor of the show as a whole?
 
2013-02-21 03:52:10 PM  

Serial: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: The success/continuing success of Arrow, Vampire Diaries and Supernatural on CW

You don't look at ratings numbers do you?  The CW pulls in some of the lowest ratings of any network.  What passes as a success there would be cancelled after 2 episodes on most networks.  CW is a horrible benchmark for success.


True, but Arrow has been a surprisingly watchable show.

Paul Blackthorne and John Barrowman keep that show going.
 
2013-02-21 03:58:32 PM  
rugman11:

Person of Interest - 3.0/8 (he lists it as an "arc" show but this is still a crime procedural at heart)

It IS a crime procedural at heart, but it has an overarching story beyond the lives of the characters. It has that "myth arc" that draws more focus than the crime-of-the-week and the side to the story that only gets explained piece by piece. This is what I think is missing from the regularly churned out cop/medical dramas. Sorry that my reference to the CW (which IS a smaller network) offended your discriminating TV palates. PoI isn't on CW though and it's telling that of the new shows you listed it was the only one with a 3 share.
 
2013-02-21 04:13:12 PM  

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: rugman11:

Person of Interest - 3.0/8 (he lists it as an "arc" show but this is still a crime procedural at heart)

It IS a crime procedural at heart, but it has an overarching story beyond the lives of the characters. It has that "myth arc" that draws more focus than the crime-of-the-week and the side to the story that only gets explained piece by piece. This is what I think is missing from the regularly churned out cop/medical dramas. Sorry that my reference to the CW (which IS a smaller network) offended your discriminating TV palates. PoI isn't on CW though and it's telling that of the new shows you listed it was the only one with a 3 share.


I don't know that that's a particularly new thing, though. I mean, Supernatural is basically the same way too.  There are week-to-week stories with the occasional arc elements and it's been that way since the beginning.  Bones has done the same since season three.  The X-Files was this way.  There aren't a ton of procedurals any more with no serial elements
 
2013-02-21 04:17:39 PM  
Eh, it's no different from ABC.

/The ABC guy that GL'ed Zero Hour should be fired right along with the NBC guy who GL'ed Do No Harm.
//They made The LA Complex look like Seinfeld, ratings-wise.
 
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