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(Columbus Dispatch)   It looks like we're soon going to find out if employers telling their employees that if Obama was re-elected, then his supporters would be the first to be fired is legal or not   (dispatch.com) divider line 155
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2013-02-21 08:16:56 AM
The comments section on that article has more butthurt than Hurtbutt McButthurty III.
 
2013-02-21 08:29:18 AM

Sybarite: The comments section on that article has more butthurt than Hurtbutt McButthurty III.


I was going to say something similar.  It was a fascinating read, for a few comments, then it just because painful.
 
2013-02-21 08:37:34 AM

I_Am_Weasel: Sybarite: The comments section on that article has more butthurt than Hurtbutt McButthurty III.

I was going to say something similar.  It was a fascinating read, for a few comments, then it just because painful.


I've seen more rational response over in freeperville. Ok, maybe not, those comments are just pants-on-head cray cray.
 
2013-02-21 08:43:55 AM
Man, those comments do not have any basis in reality. I love the guy who wanted to know why we can't fire someone who votes for the person we don't like but we can vote out the person in office we don't like.

politics and business, a match made in heaven

/seriously, stop liking what I DON'T LIKE
 
2013-02-21 08:50:18 AM
Hopefully this case isn't tried on facebook.
 
2013-02-21 09:01:02 AM
I honestly don't know if its legal to do or not.  Here in Pennsylvania it probably would be legal to fire all the registered democrats in your company.  we're kinda dicks when it comes to employment.  Of course, you'll likely face a backlash for doing so, not to mention destroying your workplace morale and pissing off your customers.  not a smart move in a tight economy.
 
2013-02-21 09:12:51 AM

Weaver95: I honestly don't know if its legal to do or not.  Here in Pennsylvania it probably would be legal to fire all the registered democrats in your company.  we're kinda dicks when it comes to employment.  Of course, you'll likely face a backlash for doing so, not to mention destroying your workplace morale and pissing off your customers.  not a smart move in a tight economy.


It feels like a violation of your first amendment. I suppose that both sides could make an argument that it's a violation of their right to protest peacefully
 
2013-02-21 09:18:19 AM
If the basis is that Gentile directly interrogated employees, this could be a tough case.  Who will be willing to come forward in court to corroborate the plaintiff's claim?  You need something damning in writing .
 
2013-02-21 09:27:05 AM
somedude210:
It feels like a violation of your first amendment. I suppose that both sides could make an argument that it's a violation of their right to protest peacefully

Except that it has nothing to do with the 1stA.  The government isn't telling her to be quiet or that she can't talk about/vote for whoever she wants to, it is her employer.  It may be an absolute dick move but in Ohio where this happened she could be fired for wearing green socks on the third Tuesday of the month, you don't need a 'valid' (business logical) reason to get rid of someone.  Also while the timing of this would seem to support her claim it really isn't all that unreasonable either.  The business was said to be a small parts manufacturer for the military.  Thinking that after the reelection of Obama that military contracts are going to be harder to get isn't an unreasonable position (I'd hope that after a decade at war he/we'd want to scale things back considerably).  Laying people of in anticipation of that makes sense.

Does she have a case?  Probably not.  Will she win anything? Quite possibly.  There are enough bottom feeding lawyers out there willing to sue anyone for most anything in hope of getting a 'go away & leave us alone' settlement from the insurance company that it can't hurt to try if you can come up with an outrageous sounding reason (that may or may not have a basis in reality)
 
2013-02-21 09:33:29 AM
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2013-02-21 09:36:25 AM

somedude210: Weaver95: I honestly don't know if its legal to do or not.  Here in Pennsylvania it probably would be legal to fire all the registered democrats in your company.  we're kinda dicks when it comes to employment.  Of course, you'll likely face a backlash for doing so, not to mention destroying your workplace morale and pissing off your customers.  not a smart move in a tight economy.

It feels like a violation of your first amendment. I suppose that both sides could make an argument that it's a violation of their right to protest peacefully


the constitution only reigns in government.  corporations can violate your rights any way they want and there's very little you can actually do about it.   if a CEO tells his HR people to fire all the libruls in his company, I'm pretty sure he can do it.  which doesn't mean he won't face a backlash for doing so....but that's a whole other issue.
 
2013-02-21 09:37:35 AM

alywa: Culling a few idiots from the heard is good for everyone.


Th eliminationist rhetoric is evocative of the final solution stylings of 1940s Germany.
But I still can't give this troll more than a 2 out of 10.
So solly. Take a class.
 
2013-02-21 09:38:24 AM
Depends on state labor law.   Right to work state?  Kinda sucks, can be let go without any reason whatsoever, little if any recourse.
 
2013-02-21 09:39:00 AM
This is an outrage! I must channel my anger at the horrible muslin presidonk! I must express my feelings in some form - oh, I know...

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2013-02-21 09:39:24 AM
Sorry,  subby. The business in TFA is denying that reason, so we will not find out if it's legal unless they change their defense.
 
2013-02-21 09:40:55 AM
Couldn't this fall under voter intimidation?
 
2013-02-21 09:42:55 AM
Subby is unsure if voter intimidation is legal?
 
2013-02-21 09:42:59 AM
I am a sure a government, once in full control of health care, will never use politics to provide/ deny health care.  You think firing someone over who they vote for is sick.  Imagine a government with the power to deny someone health care if they don't toe the party line.  A government in control of health care has that power.
 
2013-02-21 09:43:49 AM

mab1823: Couldn't this fall under voter intimidation?


Or hostile workforce.  But she's going for wrongful termination it seems.
 
2013-02-21 09:44:21 AM

mab1823: Couldn't this fall under voter intimidation?


no, I don't think so.  it's not being done in/around or on a polling place.
 
2013-02-21 09:44:28 AM

SlothB77: A government in control of health care has that power.


No, they don't. But then again, that is why I have you farkied as "possible epic troll".
 
2013-02-21 09:45:52 AM

SlothB77: I am a sure a government, once in full control of health care, will never use politics to provide/ deny health care.  You think firing someone over who they vote for is sick.  Imagine a government with the power to deny someone health care if they don't toe the party line.  A government in control of health care has that power.


you can't discuss this issue without somehow blaming Obama or a democrat for it, can you?

try to stay focused.  this is an article/discussion about someone firing people who voted for Obama.  do you think that's right?  do you agree with that sort of action?
 
2013-02-21 09:46:38 AM
Ohio is an at-will employment state. (Montana's the only state that isn't)

The Big Man can cut you loose without a reason.

I don't recall if this was one of those knuckleheads who announced before hand that he would fire Obama supporters or not, but again, at-will employment state. Unless she can proove she was let go due to her position in a protected class (which party affiliation is NOT a protected class) then all she's doing is padding the pockets of an employment attorney.
 
2013-02-21 09:47:22 AM
Those comments.. Does that one guy think he's being clever by using the word "Nig" along with several racially charged phrases?  I'd think that any reasonable Republican would take a step back and consider whether or not they want to be associated with people like this.  They're a lot more common than I thought they'd be, and if I were right-leaning, this realization would be horribly depressing.
 
2013-02-21 09:48:14 AM
Forget the article. The comments are like a beautiful rain of rage tears... so sweet, so beautiful they should be protected as a national treasure...
 
2013-02-21 09:48:57 AM

Recoil Therapy: Laying people of in anticipation of that makes sense.


What? How does that make sense, if he may have to re-hire people and add the unnecessary expense of training them when his military contract cuts don't go thru?
Should Goodyear lay off thousands of workers today because the CEO heard people will be using flying cars in the future?
 
2013-02-21 09:54:34 AM

xanadian: alywa: Stay Free! Live Strong! God Bless America!!!

You know what, Stuart, I LIKE YOU. You're not like the other people, here, in the trailer park.


But does he know what the queers are doing to the soil?? The gay martians will be here any day now.
 
2013-02-21 09:54:51 AM

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: So you're a hate-mongering racist asshole. We get that. And the word is 'right', not 'write', which you can barely do. If you had a problem running a business, it was clearly your lack of education and competence and not anything else. But of course, hatefilled people like you always find others to blame their problems on.


You're not helping.
 
2013-02-21 09:55:03 AM
i just read the comments and....well...I really can't tell if those are actual opinions or a heaping helping of Poeslaw.
 
2013-02-21 09:57:46 AM
Good luck proving that she was fired for her political affiliation.

She worked for a defense contractor in Dayton OH, where the local economy is highly dependent upon Wright Patterson Air Force Base, and just about everyone is hunkering down for the anticipated cuts due to the imminent sequester.
 
2013-02-21 10:00:56 AM
When the original civil rights legislation relevant to this sort of thing was passed, race and religion were mentioned but I don't think gender was.  Was it added later somehow?  Can an employer decide to fire all their female employees in an attempt to avoid paying for maternity leave?  Can a religious nut buy a company and fire all the married women working there because they believe that married women should not work outside the home?
 
2013-02-21 10:02:09 AM
Even if she loses, she wins. Chances are she'll bring the fact that you quite possibly can legally get fired for your political beliefs to the national stage. It'll be interesting to see what happens when it gets there.

However, if this were a liberal company owner firing a conservative for voting for Romney, you bet your sweet ass we'd be hearing the phrase "religious persecution" a hell of a lot more.

/And you do have a sweet ass.
 
2013-02-21 10:03:56 AM
Lame.
 
2013-02-21 10:04:04 AM

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: I'm an Egyptian!:Checks profile.......You're new here, aren't you?

Apparently.

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That's funny. IMO Alywa is a master along with Spend Miles and Mike LOL.
 
2013-02-21 10:05:48 AM
It's a d1ck move, but employers (of private institutions) should have the right to hire and fire based on political beliefs.   On the other end of the coin, those fired have every right to go onto every forum available to let the paying public know that the business is operated by fascist, bigoted troglodytes and not worthy of your business.
 
2013-02-21 10:06:13 AM

Epoch_Zero: This is an outrage! I must channel my anger at the horrible muslin presidonk! I must express my feelings in some form - oh, I know...

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I love everything about this
 
2013-02-21 10:07:18 AM
FTA : The lawsuit, filed in Montgomery County Common Pleas Court on Feb. 14, seeks a minimum of $25,000

Way to aim low, temp.
 
2013-02-21 10:07:21 AM

doyner: i just read the comments and....well...I really can't tell if those are actual opinions or a heaping helping of Poeslaw.


that's kind of a sad commentary in and of itself...when we can't tell the difference between deliberate trolling and honest to god(s) political beliefs, we're in trouble.
 
2013-02-21 10:07:33 AM
It is illegal to be fired for your political beliefs.  It is also almost impossible to prove unless an employer was stupid enough to put it in writing.
 
2013-02-21 10:07:57 AM

InmanRoshi: It's a d1ck move, but employers (of private institutions) should have the right to hire and fire based on political beliefs.   On the other end of the coin, those fired have every right to go onto every forum available to let the paying public know that the business is operated by fascist, bigoted troglodytes and not worthy of your business.


works for me.
 
2013-02-21 10:07:57 AM

alywa: Cry more, libs.

Politicla party afiliation is no more a protected class than sexual orientation or religion.  If it is a private business, the owner can fire whoever he wants.  I don't know why a business owner would keep socialists on the staff anyways.

1.  Obama is killing small business and small business owners.  Taxes at alltime high's, regulations squeezing out profits from large and small companies alike, outrageous minimum wage increases... it is a bad time to be a job creator (or as you so stupidly call them, a 1% er).

2.  Obamacare is unafforadable for everyone.  I don't care if you are Wal-Mart or Minimart, paying workers is enough.  Why should business owners be responsible for their healthcare?  Add in forced abortion and geneder-reasignment surgeries coverages, Obamacare is the single worst law ever forced down America's throat.

3.  I owned a business for many years.  I simply wasn't comfrortable with certain people (my reasons are mine, not you'res)... why sould I have to hire them?  I can fire them for any reason I feel like.  Ever heard of Write to Work states.  Basically I can give written notice and fire anyone I want.

You libs are butthurt that the people who actually make this country work are fighting back.  Culling a few idiots from the heard is good for everyone.

Stay Free!  Live Strong!  God Bless America!!!

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9/10, would rage again.
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Makes me proud to be a merican.
 
2013-02-21 10:08:03 AM

Frozboz: They're a lot more common than I thought they'd be, and if I were right-leaning, this realization would be horribly depressing.


Growing up in Derpistan Texas, I'm always amazed that people are shocked that this kind of stuff is so prevalent.    That IS the average conservative voter, from my personal experience.
 
2013-02-21 10:08:53 AM

Weaver95: the constitution only reigns in government.  corporations can violate your rights any way they want and there's very little you can actually do about it.   if a CEO tells his HR people to fire all the libruls in his company, I'm pretty sure he can do it.  which doesn't mean he won't face a backlash for doing so....but that's a whole other issue.


The CEO of a publicly traded company is going to have to explain that one to a board of directors, which would probably be a fun meeting to attend.
 
2013-02-21 10:09:55 AM
Why wouldn't it be legal?
 
2013-02-21 10:11:06 AM

SlothB77: I am a sure a government, once in full control of health care, will never use politics to provide/ deny health care.  You think firing someone over who they vote for is sick.  Imagine a government with the power to deny someone health care if they don't toe the party line.  A government in control of health care has that power.





The government doesn't have the power to deny somebody health care, you mouth breathing, slobbering retard. Not even in the case of Medicare or Medicaid does the government have that power.
 
2013-02-21 10:11:09 AM
When are these CEO's going to realize the second you start making political comments, one way or another, you start alienating a percentage of your customers/clients? Liberal, conservative, Republican, Democrat. Who the hell cares? Your money is still green. Sometimes shutting the hell up is a heckuva business plan.
 
2013-02-21 10:12:54 AM

AnotherBluesStringer: Even if she loses, she wins. Chances are she'll bring the fact that you quite possibly can legally get fired for your political beliefs to the national stage. It'll be interesting to see what happens when it gets there.

However, if this were a liberal company owner firing a conservative for voting for Romney, you bet your sweet ass we'd be hearing the phrase "religious persecution" a hell of a lot more.

/And you do have a sweet ass.


Thanks. I've been working out and I wasn't sure anyone noticed.
 
2013-02-21 10:13:24 AM

Parthenogenetic: Good luck proving that she was fired for her political affiliation.

She worked for a defense contractor in Dayton OH, where the local economy is highly dependent upon Wright Patterson Air Force Base, and just about everyone is hunkering down for the anticipated cuts due to the imminent sequester.


TFA says she was fired Nov. 9, 2012
 
2013-02-21 10:14:19 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: alywa: Culling a few idiots from the heard is good for everyone.

Th eliminationist rhetoric is evocative of the final solution stylings of 1940s Germany.
But I still can't give this troll more than a 2 out of 10.
So solly. Take a class.


You might be confused at the lack of sparkling eagles.  I understand.  It's still pretty early.

Have a cup of coffee.
 
2013-02-21 10:15:01 AM

TomD9938: FTA : The lawsuit, filed in Montgomery County Common Pleas Court on Feb. 14, seeks a minimum of $25,000

Way to aim low, temp.


That puts it well into federal. That's not what they are going to seek. Just makes it known that this isn't going to be tried in small claims.
 
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