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(NBC News)   Some rich douche is planning the first privately-backed human trip to Mars. Sadly, he's also planning a return flight   (cosmiclog.nbcnews.com) divider line 89
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2013-02-21 05:48:23 AM  
IIRC, in the book Red Mars and its sequels, humans who traveled to Mars couldn't really return, because their bones became too brittle.  (fiction, but hard SF)
 
2013-02-21 06:00:41 AM  

Alphax: IIRC, in the book Red Mars and its sequels, humans who traveled to Mars couldn't really return, because their bones became too brittle.  (fiction, but hard SF)


That could be true if you make the spacecraft the wrong way. A year or two in space, time on wimpy mars g, more years in space, you'll piss out all that calcium.
 
2013-02-21 06:03:05 AM  
Now if you could find a way to make the spacecraft, or at least the main living and sleeping areas, something like 1.2g the whole time, you should be set.
 
2013-02-21 06:13:29 AM  

doglover: Now if you could find a way to make the spacecraft, or at least the main living and sleeping areas, something like 1.2g the whole time, you should be set.


One of the Babylon 5 novels, not quite canon, said that Narn ships fired their thrusters on low until halfway there, accelerating the whole time, then turned the ship around and decelerated for the second half of the trip, providing some 'gravity'.
 
2013-02-21 07:35:39 AM  
Why is he a douche, and why do you want him to die on Mars?
 
2013-02-21 08:04:22 AM  

Slaxl: Why is he a douche, and why do you want him to die on Mars?


This. WTF, I applaud crazy rich daredevils. Just like that guy that jumped from a balloon, it's crazier than shiat but I always wished him well at his wacky shenanigans.
 
2013-02-21 09:49:11 AM  
Can I have all his stuff?
 
2013-02-21 09:49:56 AM  

doglover: Alphax: IIRC, in the book Red Mars and its sequels, humans who traveled to Mars couldn't really return, because their bones became too brittle.  (fiction, but hard SF)

That could be true if you make the spacecraft the wrong way. A year or two in space, time on wimpy mars g, more years in space, you'll piss out all that calcium.


So, you're saying you wouldn't be able to hop around on Mars like John Carter?
 
2013-02-21 09:59:05 AM  

Slaxl: Why is he a douche, and why do you want him to die on Mars?


Because jealousy and envy.
 
2013-02-21 10:09:55 AM  

UberDave: doglover: Alphax: IIRC, in the book Red Mars and its sequels, humans who traveled to Mars couldn't really return, because their bones became too brittle.  (fiction, but hard SF)

That could be true if you make the spacecraft the wrong way. A year or two in space, time on wimpy mars g, more years in space, you'll piss out all that calcium.

So, you're saying you wouldn't be able to hop around on Mars like John Carter?


You would if it wasn't -80 C daylight with no o2 and you didn't have to travel a year in low g through radiation to get there.
 
2013-02-21 10:54:15 AM  
I'm sure some government will find a way to stop him.
 
2013-02-21 10:55:59 AM  
I've said it before. If I didn't have family responsibilities here on Earth, I'd be up for a one way trip just to be the first.
 
2013-02-21 10:57:22 AM  

Alphax: IIRC, in the book Red Mars and its sequels, humans who traveled to Mars couldn't really return, because their bones became too brittle.  (fiction, but hard SF)


People were able to return but they had to wear special suits that helped them support their body weight. Mars natives were even able to make the trip but they couldn't stay long.
 
2013-02-21 10:57:33 AM  

Slaxl: Why is he a douche, and why do you want him to die on Mars?


Cause whine whine, he's rich and not NASA, who cleeeeeearly should have dibs(even though no, they shouldn't).

doczoidberg: I'm sure some government will find a way to stop him.


Also this.
 
2013-02-21 10:58:43 AM  
Launching ships in low earth orbit after decades of others doing all of the research and development is quite a bit different from solving all the problems with making a round trip to Mars. But if he wants to spend his money to be the pioneer, more power to him. Just doubt it is going to be anywhere near as simple or easy as his other endeavours.
 
2013-02-21 11:04:51 AM  

Slaxl: Why is he a douche, and why do you want him to die on Mars?


Apparently, subby is a crybaby jealous bastard, or something.
 
2013-02-21 11:12:29 AM  
Slaxl is one of those folks that just do not understand how economics work in this country. Obviously one of the 47% that Romney was referring to.

Many folk on here, commonly referred to as "basement dwellers" simply do not understand what hard work is, and how doing hard work reaps benefits, like money. They seem to think that some people "just have money" for no reason. I live close to some people that think anyone with a nice car or home is a drug dealer. In their mind, that is the only way one could possibly make any money and accumulate any wealth. This is the sad state of affairs that come when you elect a lot of democrats into office and have a democratic president that demonizes anyone who is wealthy or is a business owner. The "you didn't  build that!" mentality at work, thanks to people who would like to see this country revert to socialism. Sad, very sad.
 
2013-02-21 11:12:55 AM  

Slaxl: Why is he a douche, and why do you want him to die on Mars?


Because even though the headline is unfunny, obnoxious and completely irrelevant, now the thread will be a combination of people talking about the actual subject AND people arguing about the guy being rich and that generates more page views and, thus, more ad impressions.

Thanks for reminding me why I keep ignoring your whiny begger-banner about adblocking though, Fark admin.
 
2013-02-21 11:22:20 AM  
He's looking to build his home base in a state that has big movie incentives. Someplace with an existing soundstage.
 
2013-02-21 11:24:15 AM  

Pick: Slaxl is one of those folks that just do not understand how economics work in this country. Obviously one of the 47% that Romney was referring to.

Many folk on here, commonly referred to as "basement dwellers" simply do not understand what hard work is, and how doing hard work reaps benefits, like money. They seem to think that some people "just have money" for no reason. I live close to some people that think anyone with a nice car or home is a drug dealer. In their mind, that is the only way one could possibly make any money and accumulate any wealth. This is the sad state of affairs that come when you elect a lot of democrats into office and have a democratic president that demonizes anyone who is wealthy or is a business owner. The "you didn't  build that!" mentality at work, thanks to people who would like to see this country revert to socialism. Sad, very sad.


3/10.

Probably gets some bites.
 
2013-02-21 11:28:18 AM  
I wish him success. This is cool.
Why the mockery, Smitts?
 
2013-02-21 11:34:08 AM  

Pick: Slaxl is one of those folks that just do not understand how economics work in this country. Obviously one of the 47% that Romney was referring to.

Many folk on here, commonly referred to as "basement dwellers" simply do not understand what hard work is, and how doing hard work reaps benefits, like money. They seem to think that some people "just have money" for no reason. I live close to some people that think anyone with a nice car or home is a drug dealer. In their mind, that is the only way one could possibly make any money and accumulate any wealth. This is the sad state of affairs that come when you elect a lot of democrats into office and have a democratic president that demonizes anyone who is wealthy or is a business owner. The "you didn't  build that!" mentality at work, thanks to people who would like to see this country revert to socialism. Sad, very sad.


Too true, demonize "the bourgeoisie" at every turn. Right out of the Marxist playbook...
 
2013-02-21 11:51:26 AM  
I fully support sending all very rich people to Mars.
 
2013-02-21 12:10:20 PM  

oldfarthenry: I wish him success. This is cool.
Why the mockery, Smitts?


Probably the idea some random rich guy is going to beat NASA there.

But don't worry, he'll never make it through all the radiation.
 
2013-02-21 12:13:27 PM  

cgraves67: I've said it before. If I didn't have family responsibilities here on Earth, I'd be up for a one way trip just to be the first.


That's why I'm volunteering. Now my mom's basement, in 2018 MARS!
 
2013-02-21 12:19:32 PM  

nekom: Slaxl: Why is he a douche, and why do you want him to die on Mars?

This. WTF, I applaud crazy rich daredevils. Just like that guy that jumped from a balloon, it's crazier than shiat but I always wished him well at his wacky shenanigans.


Yes, I don't get it either.

But the fark collective pretty much hates everyone that has more than they do.   Jealous lot.
 
2013-02-21 12:44:13 PM  
"However, the privately backed 501-day flight would have to be launched in 2018 - or wait until the 2030s..."

Right, I guess I'd better give the mysterious "Inspiration Mars Foundation," a non-profit with no connections to be found, a donation, so that flyboy will be on the red planet, 'cos he's definitely going, and this isn't a scam in the least, no sirreee. Why, magic beans?Yes sir, I'd love them, and it's only fair that I offer you my cow in exchange, I insist!
 
2013-02-21 12:46:18 PM  
500+ days in a farking  Dragon capsule?  Good luck with that.

upload.wikimedia.org

That's close to 2.5x longer than the longest stint in the ISS and the ISS is a lot roomier with a lot more to do.
 
2013-02-21 12:52:47 PM  

dualplains: 500+ days in a farking  Dragon capsule?  Good luck with that.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 500x374]

That's close to 2.5x longer than the longest stint in the ISS and the ISS is a lot roomier with a lot more to do.


Meh...if it had unfiltered internet access and a slightly modified vacuum collection system....a solitary explorer could make the trip.

/might not want him returning though....
 
2013-02-21 12:58:15 PM  

Nuclear Monk: dualplains: 500+ days in a farking  Dragon capsule?  Good luck with that.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 500x374]

That's close to 2.5x longer than the longest stint in the ISS and the ISS is a lot roomier with a lot more to do.

Meh...if it had unfiltered internet access ...


Seems like a lot of people kind of forget this point: there would be NO internet access at any point outside of LEO.  No Netflix, no PS3, no Steam.  You'll have the books you bring with you on your kindle and the movies on your ipad and that's it.  For a year and a freakin half on this trip; alternately for the REST OF YOUR LIFE if you colonize.
 
2013-02-21 12:58:27 PM  
Take Richard Hoagland with you, drop him off at Cydonia.
 
2013-02-21 01:00:16 PM  
Subby thinks that anyone who doesn't work a dead-end retail job like he does is a "rich douche."
 
2013-02-21 01:02:24 PM  
I guess organizing your own donation fund to help the sick and uneducated just doesn't do it for rich people these days.  I mean Bill and Melinda Gates already spearheaded that endeavor so how could your typical %0.05 percenter hope to make a name for himself in the "world saving business?"  How is a super rich person supposed to leave their personal mark these days while at the same time being loved by as many people as possible?

When will the majority of rich people stop pretending like their misguided personal obsessions are for the betterment of mankind?
 
2013-02-21 01:18:14 PM  

Pick: Slaxl is one of those folks that just do not understand how economics work in this country. Obviously one of the 47% that Romney was referring to.

Many folk on here, commonly referred to as "basement dwellers" simply do not understand what hard work is, and how doing hard work reaps benefits, like money. They seem to think that some people "just have money" for no reason. I live close to some people that think anyone with a nice car or home is a drug dealer. In their mind, that is the only way one could possibly make any money and accumulate any wealth. This is the sad state of affairs that come when you elect a lot of democrats into office and have a democratic president that demonizes anyone who is wealthy or is a business owner. The "you didn't  build that!" mentality at work, thanks to people who would like to see this country revert to socialism. Sad, very sad.


Yep - these are the same people who always have to bring up moral relativism whenever someone mentions the latest atrocity committed by Islamists.
 
2013-02-21 01:18:19 PM  

dualplains: Nuclear Monk: dualplains: 500+ days in a farking  Dragon capsule?  Good luck with that.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 500x374]

Seems like a lot of people kind of forget this point: there would be NO internet access at any point outside of LEO.  No Netflix, no PS3, no Steam.  You'll have the books you bring with you on your kindle and the movies on your ipad and that's it.  For a year and a freakin half on this trip; alternately for the REST OF YOUR LIFE if you colonize.


Could Netflix/games be set up though, hypothetically?  Sure, it would be slow/unresponsive as hell, but why couldn't you get movies/TV/games beamed in your general direction?  Put in your daily order, download it while sleeping, and use it locally forever.  Sure, you wouldn't be able to play online games versus Earthlings anymore, but I'd be okay with playing CIV5 on Mars.

Websites... yeah, not so much.
 
2013-02-21 01:21:32 PM  

xanadian: Slaxl: Why is he a douche, and why do you want him to die on Mars?

Because jealousy and envy.


Because he's obviously a 1-percenter, that has become rich off the backs of the 99-percent.
Race to the bottom, Occupy Wall Street, blah, blah, blah. Rich people should be forced to share all their money until they're poor like the rest of us.
Punish success, comrades.
 
2013-02-21 01:25:07 PM  

dualplains: 500+ days in a farking  Dragon capsule?  Good luck with that.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 500x374]

That's close to 2.5x longer than the longest stint in the ISS and the ISS is a lot roomier with a lot more to do.


You could increase the size of the ship quite a bit for not much extra payload if you include an inflatable section.  The capsule was made for seven, but if its just a round trip you could knock that down to two or three and leave plenty of personal space.

I'd do it, sinceI have quite a large backlog of video games that need playing.
Besides: At the rate governments going you'd be the biggest name in world history for at least another two or three decades before someone finally lands.

/I wonder how it would change our view of politics, overall.
/People would stop looking at world leaders for leadership, start looking at business tycoons again.
/A perfect finally to the secondgilded age.
 
2013-02-21 01:25:15 PM  

fat boy: Take Richard Hoagland with you, drop him off at Cydonia.


I think he'd go.
 
2013-02-21 01:28:36 PM  

cgraves67: I've said it before. If I didn't have family responsibilities here on Earth, I'd be up for a one way trip just to be the first.


Oh god me too.

This needs to be a one way flight. There's just no way to do it as a return trip unless we're ready to throw the kind of resources at it we do our military.

I think it'll happen in the next 40 or so years. Thinking it can be done by 2018 is laughable.
 
2013-02-21 01:33:20 PM  
If we're going to Mars, the first step is to send a fleet of robots to build a base and get everything set up for the first wave of humans.
 
2013-02-21 01:38:14 PM  
"...veterans of the Biosphere 2 ..."

If anyone know what not to do, it's these people. The project was a disaster and everyone in it would have died without outside intervention.
 
2013-02-21 01:38:16 PM  
500 days in a tin can to do a 30-minute fly-by? No thanks.

OTOH, I'd go in a heartbeat if I could land...even if it meant never coming back.
 
2013-02-21 01:40:31 PM  
I think that they'll probably announce that they'll use multiple Dragons for a habitat if not using an inflatable habitat.
 
2013-02-21 01:46:45 PM  

dualplains: 500+ days in a farking  Dragon capsule?  Good luck with that.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 500x374]

That's close to 2.5x longer than the longest stint in the ISS and the ISS is a lot roomier with a lot more to do.


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Hope he brings a friend. Dragon capsule might be small even for one person, but being alone would be horrible. The only road block that I can see other than human error and the calcium thing is radiation. lots and lots of radiation.
 
2013-02-21 01:48:21 PM  
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2013-02-21 01:49:26 PM  

dualplains: 500+ days in a farking  Dragon capsule?  Good luck with that.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 500x374]

That's close to 2.5x longer than the longest stint in the ISS and the ISS is a lot roomier with a lot more to do.


I was a little shocked at first too considering the pressurized interior volume for the regular Dragon capsule is 10 m3; apparently, the Mars variant would be larger at 25 m3 total volume. For comparison, I looked at the Russian Mars 500 experiment and it looks like the habitable space was around 33 m3 per crew, but that doesn't include the total space of the cargo area & medical module (ends up closer to 97 m3/crew all totaled but this doesn't account for how much is actually usable).

ISS has 837 m3 pressurized space for 6 crew, so is about 11 times more spacious than the Mars capsule per person.

Other reference points:
Mid-size car: 3.1 m3
Mercury Capsule: 1.7 m3
Apollo Command Module: 5.9m3
 
2013-02-21 01:50:36 PM  
if i was alone for that long of a time...i'd have the worst case of carpal tunnel ever.
 
2013-02-21 01:53:39 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Thanks for reminding me why I keep ignoring your whiny begger-banner about adblocking though, Fark admin.


I actually turned off ABP but kept getting the banner.  So I added an element-hiding rule... which required me to turn ABP back on.
 
2013-02-21 01:56:13 PM  

cgraves67: I've said it before. If I didn't have family responsibilities here on Earth, I'd be up for a one way trip just to be the first.


What better way to ditch your responsibilities?
 
2013-02-21 02:02:05 PM  
ExxonMobile presents the "Microsoft Mars Fly-By" in partnership with GE and Proctor and Gamble.
 
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