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(Detroit Free Press)   In a move surely nobody will have a problem with, Royal Caribbean to begin charging passengers $12 per day for gratuities   (freep.com) divider line 58
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2013-02-21 01:28:55 AM
Are the poop bags still free?
 
2013-02-21 01:36:38 AM
FTA: Royal Caribbean's move to automatic tipping brings it in line with several other major mass-market cruise operators including Norwegian, Carnival and Celebrity.

It's not just Royal Caribbean, submitter.
 
2013-02-21 02:10:52 AM
I'm sure every dime will make it to the servants.
 
2013-02-21 02:51:12 AM
Huh. Well, that would've been cheaper than what I tipped. I'm ok with this as long as you can also tip more. On my cruise on RC, we received absolutely fabulous service.
 
2013-02-21 06:30:23 AM
I just got off a Royal Caribbean cruise, and they did the automatic tipping already.  The service was great, and worth every penny of the automatic tips.  And as the article says, you can have them taken off if you service isn't up to snuff, no questions asked.

And in reply to BarkingUnicorn, yes, every dime makes it to the "servants", split between your room steward, head waiter, assistant waiter, and someone else I'm forgetting.
 
2013-02-21 07:02:17 AM
I've no problem with this.

/suck it, bad tippers
 
2013-02-21 07:20:35 AM

BarkingUnicorn: I'm sure every dime will make it to the servants.


I'm more concerned about this than the mandatory "tip."
 
2013-02-21 07:27:47 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Are the poop bags still free?


Just pop a squat on the designated deck.
 
2013-02-21 07:35:20 AM

Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Royal Caribbean's move to automatic tipping brings it in line with several other major mass-market cruise operators including Norwegian, Carnival and Celebrity.

It's not just Royal Caribbean, submitter.


It's $10 per guest per day for Norwegian. $5 for kids. It wasn't bad and those folks absolutely earned it. Why are people so pissy about tipping these days? The automatic gratuities just make the process easy and fair. If it were left up to the guests, they'd only tip the people that make the towel animals and the servers in the restaurants, not the laundry guys or the people washing dishes or the other folks working behind the scenes.
 
2013-02-21 07:41:03 AM
In a recent guided tour in India, our main guide collected all the tips at the beginning of the trip and then asked us to tell all the people who waited for tips to come see him.   Works fine for me, I don't travel enough to know how many people I need to tip so just tell me how much I owe and I will gladly let someone else do the tipping for me.
 
2013-02-21 07:48:19 AM

xanadian: BarkingUnicorn: I'm sure every dime will make it to the servants.

I'm more concerned about this than the mandatory "tip."


Not so much as mandatory as opt out.
 
2013-02-21 07:48:20 AM

BarkingUnicorn: I'm sure every dime will make it to the servants.


Sarcasm?
 
2013-02-21 07:50:01 AM

Via Infinito: Why are people so pissy about tipping these days?


Because we'd rather you pay your people a livable wage, and charge us an honest price, and allow us to tip when someone does truly exceptional for us?
 
2013-02-21 08:08:07 AM
"Main Entry: gra·tu·ity Pronunciation: \grə-ˈtü-ə-tē, -ˈtyü-\Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural gra·tu·ities Date: 1540 : something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service"
 
2013-02-21 08:10:11 AM
For the people defending this move, would you be ok with airlines instituting a mandatory $10 per trip tip?

It's just piling on more fees and disguising it. Airlines have been doing this so successfully you're bound to see many other industries pick up the practice.
 
2013-02-21 08:15:17 AM
Oh, golly!  A tipping thread.  I don't think we've had one for what...  a week now?
 
2013-02-21 08:19:07 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Are the poop bags still free?


$5 @
 
2013-02-21 08:24:28 AM
Soon there will be a single story involving someone forced to sit on an airplane between a fatty and a crying baby to reach the departure point of a cruise struck by both norovirus and mandatory tipping on the meal at the table shared with the teabagger and the libtard.

The Day Farknet Became Aware.
 
2013-02-21 08:27:16 AM
I wouldn't get on a cruise ship unless you paid me at least $500 a day, minimum, so this seems entirely reasonable to me.
 
2013-02-21 08:30:45 AM

xanadian: BarkingUnicorn: I'm sure every dime will make it to the servants.

I'm more concerned about this than the mandatory "tip."


I think it does make it to the servants, but there is something like a 2:1 ratio between servants and passengers.  They are probably paid ONLY in their tips.  Plus, they hire people from a bunch of other countries, which I'm sure have lax workers' rights and hour/pay requirements.

This way, they can be like the restaurant industry and not pay for their workforce.
 
2013-02-21 08:37:09 AM
Thing that pissed me off if how they were automatically divided amongst groups, including people that seemed to do squat for me, like the Maitre'D, whom I still have no idea exactly what his job was.  I'd rather give my money to the people that actually worked their rears of in my service, namely my waiter, the waitress that always made sure my water was full, and my room steward. Otherwise it seemed to me the bosses skimmed off the top while the ones working got screwed.  I kept the suggested amount, but slipped extra $20s to each of them directly.
 
2013-02-21 08:44:29 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Are the poop bags still free?


done in one.
 
2013-02-21 08:45:47 AM

Marcus Aurelius: I wouldn't get on a cruise ship unless you paid me at least $500 a day, minimum, so this seems entirely reasonable to me.


You're underbidding me.
 
2013-02-21 08:48:53 AM

Via Infinito: Why are people so pissy about tipping these days?


Somebody obviously has not had a conversation over coffee with Mr. Pink.
 
2013-02-21 08:52:53 AM

JRoo: "Main Entry: gra·tu·ity Pronunciation: \grə-ˈtü-ə-tē, -ˈtyü-\Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural gra·tu·ities Date: 1540 : something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service"


This.  If you want to pay staff more, charge clients more to cover it.  You think more folks would have learned some basic econ since 1540.
 
2013-02-21 08:56:41 AM
Those brown folks aren't getting any more money out of this.
They get to keep their jobs -- how's that for a deal, fat white people?
 
2013-02-21 09:37:02 AM
Since the recent tipping threads have established that "Mandatory Gratuities" in the US are really service charges, and income to the restaurants, I have to wonder how much of this trickles down to the staff on ships operating under flags of convenience.  Especially since the freedom to treat employees like shiat is one of the major benefits of FOCs.
 
2013-02-21 09:50:09 AM

Marcus Aurelius: I wouldn't get on a cruise ship unless you paid me at least $500 a day, minimum, so this seems entirely reasonable to me.


I honestly can see how the type of person who takes a cruise in the first place may need a little prodding to tip decently anyway.
 
2013-02-21 09:59:33 AM

Gough: Since the recent tipping threads have established that "Mandatory Gratuities" in the US are really service charges, and income to the restaurants, I have to wonder how much of this trickles down to the staff on ships operating under flags of convenience.  Especially since the freedom to treat employees like shiat is one of the major benefits of FOCs.


They pay them around 17 cents a day, I doubt the tipping gets to them 100% and I'm sure the company takes their skim as well.
 
2013-02-21 10:04:34 AM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Because we'd rather you pay your people a livable wage, and charge us an honest price, and allow us to tip when someone does truly exceptional for us?


They pay a livable wage.
/For the Caribbean.
//Haiti's in the Caribbean right?
 
2013-02-21 10:11:25 AM
I'm pretty sure automatic tipping has been the case for Holland America for a couple years now . . .

/leaving for a 10-day Mediterranean cruise on Norwegian in two weeks
 
2013-02-21 10:16:40 AM
here's an idea.

how about paying your employees more and price your services correctly, rather than pulling a nickel & dime job on your customers?
 
2013-02-21 10:21:10 AM

xanadian: BarkingUnicorn: I'm sure every dime will make it to the servants.

I'm more concerned about this than the mandatory "tip."


My son works for Royal Caribbean and I asked him about this. You do have the option of going to the ship's Purser and opting out.
 
2013-02-21 10:55:31 AM
Last RC cruise we were on we became pretty friendly with the assistant waiter. We had his email afterwards and said hey a few times to him. He told us how pretty much they survive off the tips since their  base pay is pretty much almost zero.

We also learned how cut throat it was. Whenever passengers aren't happy you are in deep crap. If you are one of the waiters, just a few unhappy people can get you demoted from a relatively high paying job due emptying trash. The waiter jobs are some of the most sought after ones on the boat. People usually start working in the little food shacks hoping to work there way up to the buffets and eventually the dining room.

If a few people complain then you are busted way back down and lose the spot you spent years working for.

They can also fire you if they feel like it and just drop you off at one of the islands. There are very few rights he said on the boat.

Maybe it is because I am super easygoing, but I don't get annoyed easily. It is crazy the amount of people I see with complaints the last night on the boat. I was trying to pick up something and there had to be 75 people in line to register complaints for the service. Everything from the room not be cleaned in a timely manner to that there water wasn't filled up quick enough in the dining room.

Once we had to share a table with some random people and the guy grabbed the head waiter and complained that he hadn't been brought his drink yet. The server was obviously new and looked like he was like 24. He was doing fine by my account. It was busy and at dinner time, and he was doing the best he could. The next night that guy was removed from our area and put in a different place somewhere.
 
2013-02-21 10:56:49 AM
Went on a Carnival cruise, never left one tip. Was I supposed to? For what they charge for beer, they can take the tips out of that.
 
2013-02-21 10:58:13 AM
FTFA: As in the past, passengers also will have the option of pre-paying gratuities before they board a ship.

I'm planning on going out to dinner this weekend, so I'll probably swing by the restaurant after work today and drop off my tip.
 
2013-02-21 11:00:39 AM
I don't understand the cruise fascination. The food isn't very good, you don't really get to see the places you go since you only go on a day trip, and the boat amenities are crowded when everyone is on board.  If I had a limited budget I'd much rather go to one city, spend a week there staying in an affordable hotel, meet the locals and eat local food.  I went on one cruise that was supposed to be a high end cruise in the Mediterranean and the best part of the trip was the 3 days I spent in Barcelona at the end.  Everything else about the cruise was sub par, especially the supposedly Le Cordon Bleu inspired "fancy restaurant".
 
2013-02-21 11:27:16 AM

Farnn: I don't understand the cruise fascination. The food isn't very good, you don't really get to see the places you go since you only go on a day trip, and the boat amenities are crowded when everyone is on board.  If I had a limited budget I'd much rather go to one city, spend a week there staying in an affordable hotel, meet the locals and eat local food.  I went on one cruise that was supposed to be a high end cruise in the Mediterranean and the best part of the trip was the 3 days I spent in Barcelona at the end.  Everything else about the cruise was sub par, especially the supposedly Le Cordon Bleu inspired "fancy restaurant".


Cruises are great if you aren't easily peer pressured.  The problem people have with cruises is feeling like you have to do everything at the same time everyone else is doing something to get your value, and trying to go bottom dollar.  If you aren't easily peer pressured, cruises are prepaid tropical resorts where the scenery changes regularly, that are empty 3 out of 4 days when everyone else gets off the boat, and dang near all morning.  Just use the schedule of activities as a map of where everyone else will be, and indulge in one of the other amenities.  If you can make your own fun on a cruise, you just don't really enjoy who you are with.
 
2013-02-21 12:02:28 PM
Yeah, that's wonderful.
But here's the deal.  You tip and you are guilted into tipping again at the table.

/That being said, the waiters remember you.  And they really treat you well if you tip.  If you don't tip, they simply do their job.
 
2013-02-21 12:26:17 PM
I don't have a problem with this.

Cruises have long had "recommended" gratuities and they have been able to be pre-paid for quite some time. IMO, for the level of service we had on our cruise, the recommended amounts felt skimpy. The folks we came in contact with were simply incredible (Disney Dream).

If you want to be SURE the amounts go to the people, at least on Disney Cruise Line you can put cash in the envelopes and give that to the people directly. Otherwise you can prepay and stick the receipts from guest services in the envelope. They know what you tipped, so they know if the management is screwing them.
 
2013-02-21 12:30:13 PM

Farnn: I don't understand the cruise fascination. The food isn't very good, you don't really get to see the places you go since you only go on a day trip, and the boat amenities are crowded when everyone is on board.  If I had a limited budget I'd much rather go to one city, spend a week there staying in an affordable hotel, meet the locals and eat local food.  I went on one cruise that was supposed to be a high end cruise in the Mediterranean and the best part of the trip was the 3 days I spent in Barcelona at the end.  Everything else about the cruise was sub par, especially the supposedly Le Cordon Bleu inspired "fancy restaurant".


You're on the wrong cruises man.
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(most don't realize that main dining room food can be delivered via room service, for free - avoiding all the crowds)

This is how I enjoy rolling . . . for about $50 a day. A private evening of eating a "surf & turf" steak and shrimp dinner with the family on a private balcony, overlooking the South Pacific - after an exciting day of shark scuba diving in Bora Bora. That is pretty much the archetypical example of paradise for 99% of the world.

Most of the South Pacific cruises stop off in fairly remote places, which I enjoy taking time for my photography.
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(Fanning Island Lagoon - about 1,000 miles from anywhere)

And there's no reason you can't offload on some far away beach and adventure on your own, meeting locals and eating local foods.
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(Moorea - one of the most beautiful places in the world)

Plus the fact that the undersea life is ridiculous, with clams the size of dinner plates every couple feet:
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(manta ray and shark diving are also mind-blowingly cool)

/loves me some cruising
//have taken some 2-dozen cruises, spending some 250 days aboard
 
2013-02-21 02:03:00 PM
It's not a tip if it's part of the bill. It's just a higher bill.

Tipping is retarded anyway. Just pay a fair wage and hire competent staff you shiatheels. I shouldn't need to pay extra for good service, you should be hiring good staff and paying them a wage that encourages them to provide good service.
 
2013-02-21 02:07:38 PM

Richard Saunders: I've no problem with this.

/suck it, bad tippers


Me either. We usually pay cash but always put in a little extra to state room attend ent and the waiter and assistant.

I would rather have RCCL do this than let the slugs who stiff them not pay.
 
2013-02-21 02:36:42 PM
They charge a flat rate for tips then they won't get anything else.

Stick your hand out and it will be "The company took yours. Sorry."
 
2013-02-21 04:27:28 PM

MrSteve007: (Moorea - one of the most beautiful places in the world)


Once does not simply... sail into Moorea.
 
2013-02-21 05:07:36 PM

chimp_ninja: MrSteve007: (Moorea - one of the most beautiful places in the world)

Once does not simply... sail into Moorea.


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2013-02-21 06:13:05 PM
As long as the required tip is declared prior to booking I have no problem with this. It is just part of the cost - like checking a bag.

However, some of the numbers seem a little high. For example - $7/day is going to the waiter, and when I went on a cruise I was only waited on at dinner. So factoring a 20% tip, that suggests that my meal $35. Cruise food is nowhere NEAR that high a quality. And the drinks are priced high enough to ASSUME a built-in gratuity.

Now turn that around. A waiter takes care of three 8-person tables. So that is $168/day for a couple hours of work and that is assuming that the cruise line pays them nothing (which is unlikely). I think there is more going on here (cruise line has them doing other things AND charges them room/board AND doesn't pay them a wage).
 
2013-02-21 06:24:59 PM

Dokstarr: They can also fire you if they feel like it and just drop you off at one of the islands. There are very few rights he said on the boat.


Its like a frakin' Republican paradise!
 
2013-02-21 06:35:16 PM

madgonad: As long as the required tip is declared prior to booking I have no problem with this. It is just part of the cost - like checking a bag.

However, some of the numbers seem a little high. For example - $7/day is going to the waiter, and when I went on a cruise I was only waited on at dinner. So factoring a 20% tip, that suggests that my meal $35. Cruise food is nowhere NEAR that high a quality. And the drinks are priced high enough to ASSUME a built-in gratuity.

Now turn that around. A waiter takes care of three 8-person tables. So that is $168/day for a couple hours of work and that is assuming that the cruise line pays them nothing (which is unlikely). I think there is more going on here (cruise line has them doing other things AND charges them room/board AND doesn't pay them a wage).




Entertainers make about $1,500/mnth.
 
2013-02-21 07:01:03 PM
I think I paid more for that as a kid getting shiat delivered to my room just for the hell of it. What am I going to spend money on as an 8 year old on a cruise shipe besides getting an excessive amount of pizza and cookies delivered to my room.
 
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