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(Yahoo)   Striker scores goal moments after goalkeeper faints and drops ball. When confronted about his lack of sportsmanship, striker comments that "football is for the living," which is fitting because he probably won't be playing football soon   (sports.yahoo.com) divider line 44
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2013-02-21 02:36:46 AM  
Well, did the goal count or not?
 
2013-02-21 03:07:47 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Well, did the goal count or not?


Probably. In original game that became wimpified into soccer people died in matches. Routinely.
 
2013-02-21 09:44:39 AM  
Looks to me like that was the defender's screw up more than any direct action of the striker.
 
2013-02-21 09:48:44 AM  

doglover: BarkingUnicorn: Well, did the goal count or not?

Probably. In original game that became wimpified into soccer people died in matches. Routinely.


If that were *truly* soccer, there would've been a riot shortly after and at least 3 people dead.
 
2013-02-21 09:50:46 AM  
Which player was it that grabbed the ball to stop play when the opponent's goaltender was injured? That's a good example of the exact opposite of this player.
 
2013-02-21 09:58:05 AM  
I'm not sure I have a problem with this. Play wasn't suspended (it would appear). Otherwise, what's to stop a goaltender from "fainting" when a breakaway 2 on none is heading his way?
 
2013-02-21 10:16:42 AM  
I hear he did this because he has a drinking problem

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2013-02-21 10:50:20 AM  
Yep good goal, the "faint" was bullshiat.

If dude was exhausted he collects the ball, tosses it behind the goal and then falls down.   If the ensuing corner kick isn't just given to the defenders THEN it's poor sportsmanship.

In this case, fark him for trying to take a break AND maintain possession.
 
2013-02-21 10:58:58 AM  
How the heck does the goalkeeper collapse from heat exhaustion?  I play goalie and while I don't like how badly other position players misunderstand the job, the one thing I won't ever claim is that it requires stamina.  If the defense is doing a crappy job you might have to keep moving, but frankly that's preferable to playing behind a dominating midfield (which can get rather boring).  But if the goalkeeper fainted he probably has thermoregulation problems serious enough that he should retire or he has some really derpy bad habits like going on a five-day drug-addled bender before the game.
 
2013-02-21 10:59:36 AM  

Anderson's Pooper: Looks to me like that was the defender's screw up more than any direct action of the striker.


Yeah, the goal was scored when the defender kicked it off the opposing player. Not that he wasnt' going to try and score, but it's not like he ran down and kicked it in.
 
2013-02-21 11:02:04 AM  
Play the whistle, pussies.
 
2013-02-21 11:06:51 AM  

ChrisDe: Yeah, the goal was scored when the defender kicked it off the opposing player. Not that he wasnt' going to try and score, but it's not like he ran down and kicked it in.


Well, he did run up to block the kick from going out of bounds and it happened to go in the goal.

/normally I'd say bad sportsmanship but unless the goalie had an actual stroke...f*ck, that guy is a b*tch
//also, the goal had no bearing on the outcome of the game (though obviously I don't know what it did in the standings), so meh.
 
2013-02-21 11:15:52 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: I'm not sure I have a problem with this. Play wasn't suspended (it would appear). Otherwise, what's to stop a goaltender from "fainting" when a breakaway 2 on none is heading his way?


In soccer, they generally don't stop play for injury.  It's typical if a player on the opposing team is injured that the team with the ball kicks it out of bounds and then when the team with the injured player throws the ball back in, they kick it down the field to give the ball back.
 
2013-02-21 11:16:22 AM  

scottydoesntknow: Which player was it that grabbed the ball to stop play when the opponent's goaltender was injured? That's a good example of the exact opposite of this player.


Paulo Di Canio.
 
2013-02-21 11:19:50 AM  
Drago Approves.

"If he dies, he dies."
 
2013-02-21 11:26:35 AM  

Hilarity_N_Sues: scottydoesntknow: Which player was it that grabbed the ball to stop play when the opponent's goaltender was injured? That's a good example of the exact opposite of this player.

Paulo Di Canio.


Thank you! I searched youtube, but typing "soccer player grabs ball" pulls up pretty much every result you would expect it to except the guy I was looking for.
 
2013-02-21 11:35:40 AM  

Hilarity_N_Sues: scottydoesntknow: Which player was it that grabbed the ball to stop play when the opponent's goaltender was injured? That's a good example of the exact opposite of this player.

Paulo Di Canio.


It was an accident, he was trying to do a never-seen-before double arm Nazi salute.  fark him.
 
2013-02-21 11:37:05 AM  
I guess even fainting goats should be competitive in soccer. So their feelings dont get hurt.
 
2013-02-21 11:44:29 AM  
I think if you get up to professional level in most sports, "good sportsmanship" is not a concern. It's a dog eat dog world in most sports. I take the good sportsmanship route but I play pick up leagues and casual games (not soccer). In an NFL context players get hurt causing fumbles and such but they don't discount due to injuries. Lots of money is involved and it's a slippery slope if you stop/reverse the play, especially given the already big issue of people taking dives in soccer.

That said, if it was 4th and 26 in the super bowl and the play is about to start and suddenly the cornerback vomits and faints from dehydration right before they snap the ball and his receiver runs clear for the TD catch, that guy doesn't deserve it. I know that's unpopular, the game is the game and the corner's a pussy and all that. My reaction was more "you don't deserve that goal anymore than if someone had beaned the goalie in the head for you, only a pussy waits until there's no one to challenge him then brags about it like he beat someone". Seems like something that should be pretty easy to settle in the rulebook though. Is there language about a player's distress level on the pitch or do you just have to have some warm bodies?

This is an interesting case too because there's no way (at least in article) to prove it was an actual heat stroke or whatever so people like those upthread will obviously refuse to consider it was real. Also the refs could've stopped it although it sounds like that isn't common. If the goal is acceptable then the next game the "soccer is for the living" dude plays he should dump a bag of salt in their gatorade and wipe out the whole team for an opposition-free game.

/the good-feelings things they teach you as a kid about What Matters In Sports don't matter once you're getting paid
 
2013-02-21 11:52:33 AM  
Soccer (or kickball) is typically a girls sport so this is of no importance.
 
2013-02-21 12:12:03 PM  
I don't know about football but in hand egg you play to the whistle. No whistle, live ball, it would be disrespectful to your team mates not to try and make a play
 
2013-02-21 12:12:31 PM  

Electromax: My reaction was more "you don't deserve that goal anymore than if someone had beaned the goalie in the head for you, only a pussy waits until there's no one to challenge him then brags about it like he beat someone".


This may surprise you, but very few games have rules requiring the defense not to be pussies.

The person who screwed up in this case is the defender who, knowing he had an offensive player on his hip, tried to clear up field instead of kicking it past the end line.  If he had, the offensive player wouldn't have been in position to bounce one in.  It's not even entirely clear from the video the offensive player was doing anything more than just shadowing the defender.  If the defender hadn't turned outward, it would have been fine, and a corner kick to the defenders.  The coaches I had growing up would have instructed us to either return the corner to the defenders, or to kick the ball out ourselves in that situation.  None of them would have required us to dodge defenders that made a bad decision clearing the ball, just because they had a teammate down.
 
2013-02-21 12:14:26 PM  
"Collapsing from heat exhaustion" has all the advantage of diving, but without having to get close to the other players.
 
2013-02-21 12:17:27 PM  

Mr Guy: Electromax: My reaction was more "you don't deserve that goal anymore than if someone had beaned the goalie in the head for you, only a pussy waits until there's no one to challenge him then brags about it like he beat someone".

This may surprise you, but very few games have rules requiring the defense not to be pussies.


That's why I typed the rest of my post, there's a difference between "my response" and "the rules". There's also a difference between "what I would do generally" and "what I would do on a huge stage with tons of $$ at stake". I have that reaction more because of the dude's dickish response after the game. I'm not impressed by him pretending like he accomplished anything by making that decision, in the same way people like to bring up Favre giving up the sack record for Strahan. Doesn't mean I think they should discount it or it's illegal, just that's my $0.02. I didn't say anything about him breaking any rules.
 
2013-02-21 12:33:52 PM  

Electromax: I think if you get up to professional level in most sports, "good sportsmanship" is not a concern. It's a dog eat dog world in most sports. I take the good sportsmanship route but I play pick up leagues and casual games (not soccer). In an NFL context players get hurt causing fumbles and such but they don't discount due to injuries. Lots of money is involved and it's a slippery slope if you stop/reverse the play, especially given the already big issue of people taking dives in soccer.

That said, if it was 4th and 26 in the super bowl and the play is about to start and suddenly the cornerback vomits and faints from dehydration right before they snap the ball and his receiver runs clear for the TD catch, that guy doesn't deserve it. I know that's unpopular, the game is the game and the corner's a pussy and all that. My reaction was more "you don't deserve that goal anymore than if someone had beaned the goalie in the head for you, only a pussy waits until there's no one to challenge him then brags about it like he beat someone". Seems like something that should be pretty easy to settle in the rulebook though. Is there language about a player's distress level on the pitch or do you just have to have some warm bodies?

This is an interesting case too because there's no way (at least in article) to prove it was an actual heat stroke or whatever so people like those upthread will obviously refuse to consider it was real. Also the refs could've stopped it although it sounds like that isn't common. If the goal is acceptable then the next game the "soccer is for the living" dude plays he should dump a bag of salt in their gatorade and wipe out the whole team for an opposition-free game.

/the good-feelings things they teach you as a kid about What Matters In Sports don't matter once you're getting paid


I'm sorry, but I would disagree with the football part (4th and 26).  Yes, if an outside agent interferes with the match (someone beaning a goalie), then yes play should be stopped anything disallowed.  But the key is an outside agent.  These are physical sports, and the person who trains well enough and long enough, and is physically able to avoid heatstroke should have an advantage in that case, and I think that touchdown should count just as much!  Players play through illness all the time (Michael Jordan, etc).  The physical nature is part of the whole game.

That being said, it's a bit of douche move to say that, but I don't think it is to take advantage of it.
 
2013-02-21 01:11:59 PM  
Methinks the Freaudian slip in the article says it all "Club Unión shot stopper Juan Flores appeared to feint shortly after collecting a shot"
 
2013-02-21 01:23:54 PM  
so the goalies are flopping now in soccer?
 
2013-02-21 01:27:27 PM  

Hyjamon: so the goalies are flopping now in soccer?


Brodeur has been flopping for years in the NHL
 
2013-02-21 01:33:29 PM  
If the point of the game is to score points, then score the points.
It wasn't a school/church game.

No one cheated.
 
2013-02-21 01:40:09 PM  
not cheating but very poor sportsmanship.  And a total lack of compassion for his fellow man.
 
2013-02-21 01:43:38 PM  
Given how often soccer players fall down to fake an injury, sounds like the striker did the right thing.

/RTA?  nah, only enough time during lunch to post snark.
 
2013-02-21 01:50:00 PM  

jaharley: Methinks the Freaudian slip in the article says it all "Club Unión shot stopper Juan Flores appeared to feint shortly after collecting a shot"


That's not a slip. That's contemporary "literacy".

/By the way, it's "Freudian".
 
2013-02-21 03:45:09 PM  

grimlock1972: not cheating but very poor sportsmanship.  And a total lack of compassion for his fellow man.


You say that like it's a bad thing...
 
2013-02-21 04:22:41 PM  

grimlock1972: not cheating but very poor sportsmanship.  And a total lack of compassion for his fellow man.


Jesus Christ. Professionals don't play "funsies". Maybe they should just stop pretending to be professional athletes and stop keeping score. It would make more sense anyway, with soccer being a game and not actually a sport and all.
 
2013-02-21 04:25:13 PM  
BFD
 
2013-02-21 04:32:15 PM  
Technically, this is all the referee's fault. If the goalkeeper is injured or otherwise unable to perform while play is in motion, the referee must stop the match. I highly doubt that the goalkeeper was actually suffering from heat exhaustion (pretty sure he'd been puking and able to ask to be subbed out if that were the case, assuming the coach had not yet made three subs), and it could be the case that the ref called his bluff by not blowing the whistle. The goalie should have had the wherewithal to toss the ball past the end line. The whole thing is just stupid, and might be related to match-fixing, anyways.
 
2013-02-21 05:34:35 PM  
How is it so hot that the non-running goalie collapses from heat exhaustion and the players don't?
 
2013-02-21 06:49:17 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: I don't know about football but in hand egg you play to the whistle. No whistle, live ball, it would be disrespectful to your team mates not to try and make a play


THIS.

But, this is soccer we're talking about here. And they wonder why Americans refuse to get into the game, and are even openly hostile to it.
 
2013-02-22 01:22:34 AM  

havocmike: ModernPrimitive01: I don't know about football but in hand egg you play to the whistle. No whistle, live ball, it would be disrespectful to your team mates not to try and make a play

THIS.

But, this is soccer we're talking about here. And they wonder why Americans refuse to get into the game, and are even openly hostile to it.


Yeah, it's hard for Americans to even contemplate honor or sportsmanship - we much prefer exploitation and pushing the rules. We're busily dumping sympathy and compassion, so why not sportsmanship? If it's not explicitly banned in the rules, it must be acceptable, right?

And we wonder why our kids cheat at open-book exams, or why bankers manage to steal billions, or why politicians lie to our faces. It's practically American.
 
2013-02-22 07:52:51 AM  
If the refs didn't kill the play, who cares. You don't stop playing until the whistle blows
 
2013-02-22 11:36:46 AM  
Guy should have tossed the ball ob, then this wouldn't even have happened.
 
rka
2013-02-22 12:42:19 PM  

FormlessOne: And we wonder why our kids cheat at open-book exams, or why bankers manage to steal billions, or why politicians lie to our faces.


Maybe you do.
 
2013-02-22 01:46:54 PM  
Play till the whistle.
 
2013-02-22 08:10:59 PM  
Seems like a lot of people lack a basic compassion for their fellow man. It's sad that there are so many cynics about.

/Muamba's down, slot it home!
//Of course, broadcasters turned their cameras off out of respect, sick farks can see all the footage there is  here, though.
 
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