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(Opposing Views)   Woman raises money to get man's dog back, man angry she offered to pay his bills with the leftover donations instead of giving him cash   (opposingviews.com) divider line 36
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2013-02-21 03:28:35 AM
8 votes:
I think the most outrageous part of this story is that the pound would put the dog to sleep over a farking $400 bill, especially since they know it's not a stray and has an owner. A dog is not a car and the pound shouldn't operate like a farking evil tow truck company.
2013-02-21 03:29:51 AM
6 votes:
Sure is a lot of derp in this thread. The woman isn't being sanctimonious, she raised money for donations and offered to help. She can use the money any way she wishes, regardless of what the homeless guy wants it for.
2013-02-21 12:13:49 AM
4 votes:

GAT_00: Give the poor guy his money and move on.


Normally I'd agree with you, but the money was raised specifically to save the dog's life and people donated it with that expectation. Might have made sense to earmark all the money for his continued care- maybe set it up with a vet's office to take care of food and future check ups for the dog.

Either way, it's definitely in poor form to treat a stranger badly when they've gone above and beyond to help you.

That being said, the guy's an addict and probably has a fair few related issues and I agree that it was poor form to share those issues with the press.
2013-02-20 11:55:26 PM
4 votes:
This guy is a farking prick.

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2013-02-21 03:34:40 AM
3 votes:

Abacus9: Sure is a lot of derp in this thread. The woman isn't being sanctimonious, she raised money for donations and offered to help. She can use the money any way she wishes, regardless of what the homeless guy wants it for.


This. Dudes being an ungrateful douchebag.
2013-02-21 03:30:21 AM
3 votes:

SnarfVader: I think the most outrageous part of this story is that the pound would put the dog to sleep over a farking $400 bill, especially since they know it's not a stray and has an owner. A dog is not a car and the pound shouldn't operate like a farking evil tow truck company.


Agreed. That's definitely the most outrageous part of the whole thing.
2013-02-21 04:16:21 AM
2 votes:
Sanctimonious? Overbearing? Sure. But she was the one who raised the money and accomplished the original mission.

The rest is up to her, sounds pretty reasonable, and the guy doesn't understand humility and appreciation, which is why he is where he is in life.
2013-02-21 03:58:58 AM
2 votes:
I brought food to a begger once, and she basically said "what the fark is this? I need cash." I now assume everyone begging is a crackhead. This guy sounds like one of those ingrates. Give the needy food, water, and services; not cash.
2013-02-21 03:46:23 AM
2 votes:
You can't help a junkie, you can only let them die. Give him the hot shot.
2013-02-21 03:36:12 AM
2 votes:
"When Dave Thomas was jailed for a few days from a traffic violation, his dog Buzz Lightyear was taken to the pound. Thomas went to the shelter to get Buzz back after he was released from jail, but found that he must pay $400 in fees.

He only had $6 to his name on that day, and realized it was probably the last time he would see his beloved dog as he was set to be put to sleep this week. "

There is something very wrong with your country.
2013-02-21 03:33:31 AM
2 votes:
I would donate to see this jerk and his wife beaten with the money left converted to quarters and put into a sock.
2013-02-21 12:48:25 AM
2 votes:
One coont + one ingrate = news.

I like her final solution:  let donors decide whether they want refunds or to donate the excess to a shelter.  That should be a stipulation in every such fundraising effort.
2013-02-21 12:07:10 AM
2 votes:
Sanchez wanted to act as an "accountant" for him until the money ran out, as she did not want the money going to drugs. She said she has had her life and the lives of her children devastated by drug loss, and did not want to encourage any addiction.



Wow, what a sanctimonious coont.
2013-02-21 12:03:35 AM
2 votes:
She said on her Facebook page that she wanted him to realize the money was a blessing and that it should be used wisely.

FFS you overbearing idiot.  If the guy's homeless there's a pretty high chance he's got something wrong with him and a couple of thousand dollars will not put your life completely back on track, not when mental illness is a high possibility.  You don't get to be all high and mighty because you did a good thing.  Give the poor guy his money and move on.
2013-02-20 11:51:46 PM
2 votes:
That's a bummer. I'm glad the dog was saved though.

There are a lot of dysfunctional people in this world. The guy's reaction doesn't change the fact that this woman did a really good thing.
2013-02-21 03:14:35 PM
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: chewielouie: It's NOT his money.

It's more his than hers considering people donated with him in mind.


No, actually it isn't. She's the one that put forth the time, energy and money to find this guy. He has no legal rights to the money, and she has no legal responsibility or ethical duty to give the surplus to him. In any event, she has taken the safe route and is refunding the money to those who want it back.
2013-02-21 02:28:01 PM
1 votes:
umad:

If you can't pony up $400 at a moment's notice for your dog, then you can't afford your dog. Dogs get sick and hurt just like people do, so you had better be ready to pay some sudden large expenses, like vet bills.

Far better to.. kill the dog?

Also, your position is perilously close to some very very unpleasant ones from history.. ban the poor or 'defective' from doing/owning things as they are clearly indigent and unfit..
2013-02-21 01:48:24 PM
1 votes:

randomjsa: If somebody gave me 400 dollars to get my beloved pet back I wouldn't be crying about the other 1600 I think they owe me, particularly if they said they were going to pay off my bills with it.

The only kind of person who complains in this situation is somebody who had no intention of using the money responsibly anyway and it would not have surprised me a whit in the least if this guy had been given 400 dollars and not picked up his dog with it.



I would have been surprised if he'd hadn't picked the dog.

Regard for the remaining $1600 - sure, pay my rent for the month.  Seriously, if I were so low on cash that I almost lost my dog, I imagine I'd probably appreciate some help getting next months rent together as well.
2013-02-21 01:28:24 PM
1 votes:
classic story of yhe clueless class in this country.

place to live, wife, dog, cant hold a job, addict. etc.

someone gives him help but he wants it alll to use as he sees fit since he has such a good track record of taking care of himself.

this is why food stamps arent given in cash.
2013-02-21 12:30:43 PM
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Yeah, she raised the money for the guy, so either give him the money, or refund it to those who donated. Don't hold it over his head on some sick moral power trip.


There is nothing "sick" about wanting to ensure that money donated to a good cause actually goes towards a good cause. That's not a "moral power trip," that's ensuring the money goes towards what it was intended: helping this guy and his dog.

If the guy has a history of drug and legal problems, just handing him a wad of cash isn't helping a damn thing. Working with him to put the money towards a specific purpose does.
2013-02-21 10:46:55 AM
1 votes:

RobSeace: 911Jenny: Technically the money was raised for the dog, why not ask him what he wants?

So, she should buy $1600 worth of steak?


....yes.
2013-02-21 10:18:24 AM
1 votes:
"Sanchez called him to clear up the situation, but his wife answered and yelled at her."

If the guy had a wife at home to take care of the dog, why did Buzz end up at the pound in the first place?
2013-02-21 09:39:42 AM
1 votes:

GAT_00: She said on her Facebook page that she wanted him to realize the money was a blessing and that it should be used wisely.

FFS you overbearing idiot.  If the guy's homeless there's a pretty high chance he's got something wrong with him and a couple of thousand dollars will not put your life completely back on track, not when mental illness is a high possibility.  You don't get to be all high and mighty because you did a good thing.  Give the poor guy his money and move on.


Where in TFA does it say the dude was homeless? It references that he was down on his luck and references the animal shelter, but I don't see where it says he was homeless.
2013-02-21 09:29:53 AM
1 votes:
You don't get to be all high and mighty because you did a good thing.


Yes, you do. And if you accept charity, do it humbly with the proper shame in your eyes.
The woman did everything herself. It doesn't matter a bit how self-righteous or annoying she is. She gave the bum his farkin dog. She DESERVES to keep extra money. He's a piece of human trash.
2013-02-21 09:09:58 AM
1 votes:
She said on her Facebook page that she wanted him to realize the money was a blessing and that it should be used wisely.

FFS you overbearing idiot.  If the guy's homeless there's a pretty high chance he's got something wrong with him and a couple of thousand dollars will not put your life completely back on track, not when mental illness is a high possibility.  You don't get to be all high and mighty because you did a good thing.  Give the poor guy his money and move on.



It's not his money
2013-02-21 08:20:29 AM
1 votes:
Happened to me in Orange County, CA.  A guy walks up to me and ask for "bus fare". I remembered I had just cut out a coupon for the Orange County Bus System and handed it to him. He looks down at his hand and asked "what's this". I said it was a free bus pass and was good for one entire day of riding the bus. He looks at it again and throws it to the ground as he walks away.

///This is why I now don't give to anyone on the street money.
2013-02-21 08:08:38 AM
1 votes:

GAT_00: She said on her Facebook page that she wanted him to realize the money was a blessing and that it should be used wisely.

FFS you overbearing idiot.  If the guy's homeless there's a pretty high chance he's got something wrong with him and a couple of thousand dollars will not put your life completely back on track, not when mental illness is a high possibility.  You don't get to be all high and mighty because you did a good thing.  Give the poor guy his money and move on.


How is it "his money"? It had nothing to do with him, per se, but his dog.
2013-02-21 07:48:05 AM
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Sanchez wanted to act as an "accountant" for him until the money ran out, as she did not want the money going to drugs. She said she has had her life and the lives of her children devastated by drug loss, and did not want to encourage any addiction.

Wow, what a sanctimonious coont.


If he doesn't like conditions on the money, give the dog back to the pound.
2013-02-21 05:00:25 AM
1 votes:
If somebody gave me 400 dollars to get my beloved pet back I wouldn't be crying about the other 1600 I think they owe me, particularly if they said they were going to pay off my bills with it.

The only kind of person who complains in this situation is somebody who had no intention of using the money responsibly anyway and it would not have surprised me a whit in the least if this guy had been given 400 dollars and not picked up his dog with it.
2013-02-21 04:18:32 AM
1 votes:

gaspode: BarkingUnicorn:

Yeah, too many homeless bums with dogs they can't afford.

The dog didnt cost 400 dollars, the 'we imprisoned you over some triviality, then confiscated your stuff and now you have to pay what to you is a fortune to get it back or watch us murder the dog haha oh by the way you are poorz so double haha die in a gutter' system did. For all I or you know he had no trouble keeping his dog fed.


Food is not all it takes to afford a dog.
2013-02-21 04:09:38 AM
1 votes:

WildManBand: I brought food to a begger once, and she basically said "what the fark is this? I need cash." I now assume everyone begging is a crackhead. This guy sounds like one of those ingrates. Give the needy food, water, and services; not cash.


It's always best to just donate straight to a homeless shelter. Don't ever give them money. I'm sure your heart was in the right place by giving out food, but as you can see it's not always what they want.
2013-02-21 04:07:54 AM
1 votes:
BarkingUnicorn:

Yeah, too many homeless bums with dogs they can't afford.

The dog didnt cost 400 dollars, the 'we imprisoned you over some triviality, then confiscated your stuff and now you have to pay what to you is a fortune to get it back or watch us murder the dog haha oh by the way you are poorz so double haha die in a gutter' system did. For all I or you know he had no trouble keeping his dog fed.
Skr
2013-02-21 03:54:01 AM
1 votes:

Rufus Lee King: SnarfVader: I think the most outrageous part of this story is that the pound would put the dog to sleep over a farking $400 bill, especially since they know it's not a stray and has an owner. A dog is not a car and the pound shouldn't operate like a farking evil tow truck company.

That's the first thing that struck me, as well. "Give us $400 or we'll kill your dog." Really, what the hell?


Additionally sad is that they most likely would have tried to take him to collections for that $400 ransom money even after killing the canine.
2013-02-21 03:35:31 AM
1 votes:

Abacus9: Sure is a lot of derp in this thread. The woman isn't being sanctimonious, she raised money for donations and offered to help. She can use the money any way she wishes, regardless of what the homeless guy wants it for.


No kidding.... sounds like people in this thread definitely had other plans for the money than it's intended purpose.  Beggers can't be choosers and all that jazz, but I guess now a days we cater to the whim of anyone no matter what.  That's freedom right?
2013-02-21 03:34:20 AM
1 votes:
Man, I knew things were going bad for Dave Thomas. After he lost that SCTV job, I thought for sure he's keep the hamburger franchise. He learned so much from the Colonel, and adopted that cute redheaded Wendy. I love his Frosty's, but thought he was hilarious as the lovable Doug McKenzie. Now that he's homeless and in jail, I just want to say, "Take off you hoser!"
2013-02-21 03:09:57 AM
1 votes:
Save the dog, donate the rest to the humane society. Issue solved.
 
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