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2013-02-21 10:37:17 AM

Snarfangel: dee231: Ha! This thread is a bit timely for me! No I am not inbred..but I did (briefly) date someone who was in high school. I broke it off as soon as he told me: My grandfather is also my father and my mother is his daughter. 0_o His parents lived together and did look alike. He ended up stalking me like the psycho he was after I broke up with him. Fast forward to 2013. I'm bored on FB. So I search some old names of people I used to know including inbred ex. Turns out he's married with two kids. So I email his wife: do you know your husband is the product of incest? (hopefully not) And now that you know you have an obligation to tell your children when they are old enough. I doubt he told her. I cannot make myself think she already knows and would knowingly have children with him.
/wonder how long my message will sit in her FB other box before she sees it?

I can't believe he didn't pick different parents. What a sicko.


Well obviously you cannot control who your parents are but if you know your parents are father and daughter don't have kids yourself!
 
2013-02-21 10:43:44 AM

postnobills: Darth_Lukecash: postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.

Roosevelt?

Nope.

If you do the research, this kind of thing is actually far more common than most of us would like to believe.  In the west it simply isn't talked about, but in some cultures second or even first cousins are considered the best candidates for marriage.  In my case, so far I've been pretty healthy but the genetic counselor did suggest that I shouldn't try to have kids myself.


Well, first cousins apparently have no genetic risk if they have kids, but yeah, if the counselor said don't have kids, don't. Adopt, it'll make your life happier. Mostly because you can adopt a kid old enough so you won't have to change diapers.

/I speak as someone who has had to change small-child diapers. That shiat is nasty.
 
Ant
2013-02-21 10:45:36 AM
FTFA:This is a seminal question about the nature of assisted reproduction.

Ha! That's so punny!
 
2013-02-21 10:45:57 AM

Oznog: ng2810: Why are there so many people calling this fake? It may be extremely bizarre and disturbing, yes, but it could happen!

I just discovered I have a brother who is around my age. Dad farked a hooker when he came to the US, and she became pregnant. Mom and Dad nearly broke up because of it, but they instead paid her to keep her trap shut and tried to keep him a secret. Once I became an adult and had access to our family financial records, I found out.

He is a sailor in the US Navy and frequents the same areas as me when in San Diego. My dad is a Navy veteran and I am at the Naval base all the time. We could have easily met up sometime before I found out he was my brother.

I also know of people who found long-lost siblings by meeting them at parties. It really isn't unusual for siblings raised apart and who have no knowledge of each other to become attracted to one another.

Wow... okay, I wasn't sure if I was ever going to tell anyone about this, but it's late and I'm sleep deprived so i guess I'll just write it now and regret it in the morning :(

First of all, - just for some background: My mom died right when I was born, (she was actually really, really hot- but this isn't about her. I guess that's farked-up up to say, but whatever.) I actually grew up with my dad's family, because my dad has all sorts of emotional issues and he bailed before I was born. So you can see, my childhood was really kind of messed up.

Anyways, growing up I feel like there was always a lot of distance between me and my sister. When I was about 17 or 18 I first noticed that my sister was a hottie.

I don't want to go into to many details about it, but basically what happened is that I accidentally found a video that she made of herself. I knew she didn't make it for me- but I thought she was so farking beautiful that I watched it twice. I probably would have watched it a hell of a lot more, except that like right around the time I found the video, all this crazy shiat went down an ...



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/brillant
/newsletter, etc, etc, etc...
 
2013-02-21 10:49:16 AM

Town Called Bumpass: J. Frank Parnell: postnobills: My point is there are plenty of people out there with trees like that who aren't even royalty.

I'd say chances are every genetic line has had it happen several times, at least.

Would only become a serious problem if you do it for many consecutive generations, and even then it would be worked out after a few generations of breeding outside of your family. They breed horses within the same families all the time. The logic is supposedly that it amplifies any existing traits within family genetics, but it's kind of a crap shoot on whether what gets amplified are good traits or bad. If that applies the same to humans it wouldn't always mean bad things happen.

We do the same thing with dogs... Line breeding... But never to the same degree of relation as discussed in the article... They may share a "great grandpa" or similar. However, with dogs, I don't believe genetic information is transmitted 50/50 as it is with humans... I think the dam contributes more. Even if that isn't true, the dogs don't care... The boys aren't picky when a girl is in season. I wonder what the neighbors think when they hear from our property "Bennie! That's your sister! Leave her alone!"

/wishes humans had a breed warden program set up like dogs have
//that might eliminate the need for a Florida tag in a few generations though
/// I also breed slashies


My Roommate's Mom used to breed Persian Cats and go to cat shows (they had grand champions! BLECH) and apparently breeding brother to sister and parent to child was "okay".

There's a lot of genetic defects in show breeds because of those practices. An ex-BF's Step-Mom was obsessed with King Charles Cavalier Spaniels and would brag how one of their grandpas was a Westminster Show Winner (or something).

Those dogs were seriously broken, sad, neurotic, and always sick. They took it to Penn State's Vet hospital for all their health issues!

The only normal one was a rescue KCCS one that wasn't purebred and had some other spaniel in it. Only issue with that one was it went blind.

An ex-mormon friend of mine knew a first cousin couple from his mission days. Their kids all had weird health issues and muscular-skeletal deformities.
 
2013-02-21 10:49:40 AM

zez: I'm pretty sure that she made up the article, but why couldn't it happen? More and more females are cutting out the middleman and going straight to the source and that source has vials all over the area.


Yeah.  Whether or not this letter is real I'm sure it's happened by now.  The only question is if the couple found out.

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: So they're half-siblings. As long as their mother's weren't related their kids would likely be fine (and they are - they have three).  The main concern would be if the father had some genetic disease or was a carrier of one as they would have an increased risk of having kids with the disease.

 It may seem gross, but they should just continue as they are if they're happy.


Note that he has already had a vasectomy.  If anything bad is going to come of it it already has.  At this point the only issue left is the ick factor.
 
2013-02-21 10:50:36 AM

dee231: Ha! This thread is a bit timely for me! No I am not inbred..but I did (briefly) date someone who was in high school. I broke it off as soon as he told me: My grandfather is also my father and my mother is his daughter. 0_o His parents lived together and did look alike. He ended up stalking me like the psycho he was after I broke up with him. Fast forward to 2013. I'm bored on FB. So I search some old names of people I used to know including inbred ex. Turns out he's married with two kids. So I email his wife: do you know your husband is the product of incest? (hopefully not) And now that you know you have an obligation to tell your children when they are old enough. I doubt he told her. I cannot make myself think she already knows and would knowingly have children with him.
/wonder how long my message will sit in her FB other box before she sees it?


Minding your own farking business? Have you heard of that? You should try it. Get a life.
 
2013-02-21 11:33:08 AM

Darth_Lukecash: postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.

Roosevelt?


Do you have a Hapsburg chin?
 
2013-02-21 11:36:19 AM

BarkingUnicorn: GreatGlavinsGhost: Best part of the "article" was the video of her appearance on Colbert.

They must rotate her videos because I got an entirely different one.  Would love to see her on Colbert's show!

I read Prudie to see what concerns rich, white, East Coast people have.


Here is the link that I saw. The guest was actually *not* this "Dear Prudence" character (whose real name is Emily), but another woman who works at Slate also named Emily.

Still funny though.
 
2013-02-21 11:36:58 AM
Dear reader
Threesomes can indeed be fun but unless your husband is REALLY into it, maybe next time you could sub in another woman and see if she has the same effect.
 
2013-02-21 12:03:22 PM

Oznog: ng2810: Why are there so many people calling this fake? It may be extremely bizarre and disturbing, yes, but it could happen!

I just discovered I have a brother who is around my age. Dad farked a hooker when he came to the US, and she became pregnant. Mom and Dad nearly broke up because of it, but they instead paid her to keep her trap shut and tried to keep him a secret. Once I became an adult and had access to our family financial records, I found out.

He is a sailor in the US Navy and frequents the same areas as me when in San Diego. My dad is a Navy veteran and I am at the Naval base all the time. We could have easily met up sometime before I found out he was my brother.

I also know of people who found long-lost siblings by meeting them at parties. It really isn't unusual for siblings raised apart and who have no knowledge of each other to become attracted to one another.

Wow... okay, I wasn't sure if I was ever going to tell anyone about this, but it's late and I'm sleep deprived so i guess I'll just write it now and regret it in the morning :(

First of all, - just for some background: My mom died right when I was born, (she was actually really, really hot- but this isn't about her. I guess that's farked-up up to say, but whatever.) I actually grew up with my dad's family, because my dad has all sorts of emotional issues and he bailed before I was born. So you can see, my childhood was really kind of messed up.

Anyways, growing up I feel like there was always a lot of distance between me and my sister. When I was about 17 or 18 I first noticed that my sister was a hottie.

I don't want to go into to many details about it, but basically what happened is that I accidentally found a video that she made of herself. I knew she didn't make it for me- but I thought she was so farking beautiful that I watched it twice. I probably would have watched it a hell of a lot more, except that like right around the time I found the video, all this crazy shiat went down an ...


(Yub-nub ensues)

I have to wonder how long you've been holding onto that to use it so effectively.
 
2013-02-21 12:10:15 PM
Scotty doesn't know.  Worst twins ever.  crackedajester.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-21 12:40:42 PM

nubzers: 100 Watt Walrus: Uchiha_Cycliste: Oznog: But even after she was shacking up with my friend, there was one time we were at a party... my friend was inside, and my sister and I were outside alone. It was a really intimate moment. I think something might have happened, except that I killed the mood when I told her that Darth Vader was our father and that I had to go face him.

Well played!
Can't go wrong with the classics

Should have ended with a /not mine or something though. That yarn, awesome as it is, is at least 2 years old. (Link to apparently original source.)

No, that was copypasta from 4chan in like 2005, probably even before then and probably from someplace completely else. There was a phase on 4chan of trying to disguise well known movie/game plots as someone's "own story". I think the best one I have seen was actually a 6 page story that turned out to be the lyrics of Mr. Brightside. That, my friends, was a pretty awesome one. Reddit has no original material, its all copied from other places.

/A lot like fark.


And of course Google Answers trollz.
 
2013-02-21 12:43:40 PM
nilestylepolitics.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-21 02:09:53 PM

shortymac: Town Called Bumpass: J. Frank Parnell: postnobills: My point is there are plenty of people out there with trees like that who aren't even royalty.

I'd say chances are every genetic line has had it happen several times, at least.

Would only become a serious problem if you do it for many consecutive generations, and even then it would be worked out after a few generations of breeding outside of your family. They breed horses within the same families all the time. The logic is supposedly that it amplifies any existing traits within family genetics, but it's kind of a crap shoot on whether what gets amplified are good traits or bad. If that applies the same to humans it wouldn't always mean bad things happen.

We do the same thing with dogs... Line breeding... But never to the same degree of relation as discussed in the article... They may share a "great grandpa" or similar. However, with dogs, I don't believe genetic information is transmitted 50/50 as it is with humans... I think the dam contributes more. Even if that isn't true, the dogs don't care... The boys aren't picky when a girl is in season. I wonder what the neighbors think when they hear from our property "Bennie! That's your sister! Leave her alone!"

/wishes humans had a breed warden program set up like dogs have
//that might eliminate the need for a Florida tag in a few generations though
/// I also breed slashies

My Roommate's Mom used to breed Persian Cats and go to cat shows (they had grand champions! BLECH) and apparently breeding brother to sister and parent to child was "okay".

There's a lot of genetic defects in show breeds because of those practices. An ex-BF's Step-Mom was obsessed with King Charles Cavalier Spaniels and would brag how one of their grandpas was a Westminster Show Winner (or something).

Those dogs were seriously broken, sad, neurotic, and always sick. They took it to Penn State's Vet hospital for all their health issues!

The only normal one was a rescue KCCS one that wasn't purebred and had some other spaniel in it. Only issue with that one was it went blind.

An ex-mormon friend of mine knew a first cousin couple from his mission days. Their kids all had weird health issues and muscular-skeletal deformities.


Just as I was not serious in implementing a breed warden program for people or eliminating the Florida tag, I'm sure that you did not mean to imply that because you had experiences with cat people and irresponsible breeders that show in conformation that it is wrong, or more specifically that I or my family fall into either of those catagories.

In the last 3 years, we made exactly 4 dogs. We did the medical and genetic testing on both the sire and dam above and beyond what is acceptable and customary for our breed. Had there been a poor or failed result, we wouldn't have bred those animals. In this case, neither of these dogs were related except very, very far back since the bloodlines came from 2 different continents.

While it is unfortunate that the breeder you know had genetic difficulties in her line, you didn't mention what she did with the puppies. Considering she spent the money and effort to go to Cornell indicates a level of awareness and caring that you may not have been aware of. Cornell is among (if not) the best, and if there was anything wrong with my show dog and my vet (graduated out of Cornell) thinks it will help, that's where I will be the next day. Did she keep the dogs? Did she adopt them out with disclosure about their disease on a spay/neuter contract? Many years ago, we had a litter that included a dwarf (little dog?). Seriously, a full on Little Dog Big Kennel dwarf. She stayed with us. When people came to visit the puppies, EVERYONE wanted her. A couple people wanted to make Miniatures of my breed and breed her! Well, those people did not get any puppy, and Fancy lived out her days with us. We made her, we were responsible for her.

My point is twofold. First, there are bad breeders. Some are worse than others. Some are downright hideous. People that complain about breeders rarely follow up with "there are good breeders! Here is a story demonstrating how wonderful they are using superlatives as I did when I was telling my horror story!"

Second, if you outlaw breeding kennels, only people that have no interest in "following the rules" will make more dogs. This leaves only "rescue dogs" or backyard breedings. I don't want that. Many people want a healthy dog with predictible traits, attributes and functions. It is a preference, like mac or windows or linux. You get what you want for what you want to do. Don't stigmatize or outlaw my choice because of other morons.

So now, next time someone talks about dog breeders or dog show people or purebred dogs,you can tell them about those kccs people and follow up with "they aren't all like that though. I know a girl with a kennel and man, her dogs live better than some people I know." Follow up with Googling "breed warden" and "line breeding". Go to a dog show sometime and talk to the owners if they have a minute. If they are halfway decent they will find the time.

/ I make damn fine German Shepherd Dogs
// Threadjack over
/// apparently I also breed slashies
 
2013-02-21 02:21:54 PM

postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.


One of my sets of great grandparents were uncle and niece. The scientific/biological problems with incest are all about the probability of reinforcing bad recessives. It's a bad plan to inbreed over the course of generations, but in this and your and my cases, if nothing bad happened then the objections are all of the cultural taboo/icky sort.

/it is icky to marry your niece
//I'm pretty sure it was icky in the late 19th century too
 
2013-02-21 03:26:31 PM

Town Called Bumpass: shortymac: Town Called Bumpass: J. Frank Parnell: postnobills: My point is there are plenty of people out there with trees like that who aren't even royalty.

I'd say chances are every genetic line has had it happen several times, at least.

Would only become a serious problem if you do it for many consecutive generations, and even then it would be worked out after a few generations of breeding outside of your family. They breed horses within the same families all the time. The logic is supposedly that it amplifies any existing traits within family genetics, but it's kind of a crap shoot on whether what gets amplified are good traits or bad. If that applies the same to humans it wouldn't always mean bad things happen.

We do the same thing with dogs... Line breeding... But never to the same degree of relation as discussed in the article... They may share a "great grandpa" or similar. However, with dogs, I don't believe genetic information is transmitted 50/50 as it is with humans... I think the dam contributes more. Even if that isn't true, the dogs don't care... The boys aren't picky when a girl is in season. I wonder what the neighbors think when they hear from our property "Bennie! That's your sister! Leave her alone!"

/wishes humans had a breed warden program set up like dogs have
//that might eliminate the need for a Florida tag in a few generations though
/// I also breed slashies

My Roommate's Mom used to breed Persian Cats and go to cat shows (they had grand champions! BLECH) and apparently breeding brother to sister and parent to child was "okay".

There's a lot of genetic defects in show breeds because of those practices. An ex-BF's Step-Mom was obsessed with King Charles Cavalier Spaniels and would brag how one of their grandpas was a Westminster Show Winner (or something).

Those dogs were seriously broken, sad, neurotic, and always sick. They took it to Penn State's Vet hospital for all their health issues!

The only normal one was a rescue KCCS one t ...


I know there are good breeders out there (like yourself) and I think DNA testing is going to help improve breeds in the long term, my issue is with the industry as a whole, especially with the standard setters.

The breed standards aren't going enough to prevent this sort of behavior and sometimes encourage the breeding of unhealthy traits such as Brachycephalic heads and "miniaturizing" breeds. Why aren't incestuous breeding practices banded from showing?

There's lots of money to be made on the show circuit and I think it's a reason why the standards setters turn a blind eye to it.

Roommate's mom got out of the show business a while back and sold her whole cattery, part of the reason was her whole cattery had some sort of defective genes. They had about 30 cats total I think. I have no idea if those cats are breeding or not.

Ex-bf's Step-Mom wasn't a breeder, just little obsessed with the KCCS breed (had it plastered everywhere in their house, it was a little odd) and bought the 2 neurotic dogs from a breeder. She never had kids so the dogs became her "kids". One had food anxiety and had to be fed in a cage, they shook all the time (which I now think is a disease the breed has because their skulls are too small for their brains), it was very very sad to watch.

Breeds have their place, but when I get a dog though I'm going to the Humane Society.

/4 awesome mutt kitties now
 
2013-02-21 03:33:08 PM

BoothbyTCD: postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.

One of my sets of great grandparents were uncle and niece. The scientific/biological problems with incest are all about the probability of reinforcing bad recessives. It's a bad plan to inbreed over the course of generations, but in this and your and my cases, if nothing bad happened then the objections are all of the cultural taboo/icky sort.

/it is icky to marry your niece
//I'm pretty sure it was icky in the late 19th century too


Very icky, not only because of inbreeding but age difference and the power dynamics at play.

The Spanish Hapsburgs did it a lot and the last Hasburg was more inbred then the product of a brother-sister pairing.
 
2013-02-21 03:48:20 PM
This story might not be completely true, but it's a scary thought. When I was 8 or 9 my parents were divorced and my father ended up marrying my mothers cousin, they had two boys I never met. I always had this weird thought that I would meet one of them not knowing who they were and, well you know the rest. It never happened but having two half-brothers who were also my cousins was just really weird. And no, we aren't from 'Kentucky'.
 
2013-02-21 03:50:11 PM

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: it appears it just wasn't that big a deal until recently


It wasn't. It still shouldn't be. The whole "don't marry cousins" thing is based on pre-genetics theories of eugenics. The fact that we not only shame people for marrying their cousins, but actually outlaw it in many states, is a great example of how a charismatic speaker can get the population to do ridiculous, oppressive things that stick around for generations.
 
2013-02-21 04:03:34 PM

shortymac: BoothbyTCD: postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.

One of my sets of great grandparents were uncle and niece. The scientific/biological problems with incest are all about the probability of reinforcing bad recessives. It's a bad plan to inbreed over the course of generations, but in this and your and my cases, if nothing bad happened then the objections are all of the cultural taboo/icky sort.

/it is icky to marry your niece
//I'm pretty sure it was icky in the late 19th century too

Very icky, not only because of inbreeding but age difference and the power dynamics at play.

The Spanish Hapsburgs did it a lot and the last Hasburg was more inbred then the product of a brother-sister pairing.


Yeah, not sure what was going on there, though he was one of the younger of like 13 and the niece was the daughter of a much older brother, so they weren't all that far off in age. And they were married for like 70 years, so I guess it all worked out.
 
2013-02-21 04:34:46 PM

profplump: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: it appears it just wasn't that big a deal until recently

It wasn't. It still shouldn't be. The whole "don't marry cousins" thing is based on pre-genetics theories of eugenics. The fact that we not only shame people for marrying their cousins, but actually outlaw it in many states, is a great example of how a charismatic speaker can get the population to do ridiculous, oppressive things that stick around for generations.


The issue isn't a one-off cousin pairing, it's that when it's allowed it CAN lead to Hapsburg family-like situations. Especially in rural settings.

Apparently it's very bad in Afganistan, they prefer cousin marriages to keep land and money in the family, but due to poverty and no one keeping records you're getting family bushes instead of family trees, which is causing defects.
 
2013-02-21 04:35:44 PM

Oznog: ng2810: Why are there so many people calling this fake? It may be extremely bizarre and disturbing, yes, but it could happen!

I just discovered I have a brother who is around my age. Dad farked a hooker when he came to the US, and she became pregnant. Mom and Dad nearly broke up because of it, but they instead paid her to keep her trap shut and tried to keep him a secret. Once I became an adult and had access to our family financial records, I found out.

He is a sailor in the US Navy and frequents the same areas as me when in San Diego. My dad is a Navy veteran and I am at the Naval base all the time. We could have easily met up sometime before I found out he was my brother.

I also know of people who found long-lost siblings by meeting them at parties. It really isn't unusual for siblings raised apart and who have no knowledge of each other to become attracted to one another.

Wow... okay, I wasn't sure if I was ever going to tell anyone about this, but it's late and I'm sleep deprived so i guess I'll just write it now and regret it in the morning :(

First of all, - just for some background: My mom died right when I was born, (she was actually really, really hot- but this isn't about her. I guess that's farked-up up to say, but whatever.) I actually grew up with my dad's family, because my dad has all sorts of emotional issues and he bailed before I was born. So you can see, my childhood was really kind of messed up.

Anyways, growing up I feel like there was always a lot of distance between me and my sister. When I was about 17 or 18 I first noticed that my sister was a hottie.

I don't want to go into to many details about it, but basically what happened is that I accidentally found a video that she made of herself. I knew she didn't make it for me- but I thought she was so farking beautiful that I watched it twice. I probably would have watched it a hell of a lot more, except that like right around the time I found the video, all this crazy shiat went down an ...


...wait, wait.  You didn't even meet your sister until you saw that video...and you didn't even know she was your sister until after your father told you you had one...after he told you he was your father.

I CALL SHENANIGANS!
 
2013-02-21 04:44:47 PM

BoothbyTCD: shortymac: BoothbyTCD: postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.

One of my sets of great grandparents were uncle and niece. The scientific/biological problems with incest are all about the probability of reinforcing bad recessives. It's a bad plan to inbreed over the course of generations, but in this and your and my cases, if nothing bad happened then the objections are all of the cultural taboo/icky sort.

/it is icky to marry your niece
//I'm pretty sure it was icky in the late 19th century too

Very icky, not only because of inbreeding but age difference and the power dynamics at play.

The Spanish Hapsburgs did it a lot and the last Hasburg was more inbred then the product of a brother-sister pairing.

Yeah, not sure what was going on there, though he was one of the younger of like 13 and the niece was the daughter of a much older brother, so they weren't all that far off in age. And they were married for like 70 years, so I guess it all worked out.


Ah sounds like my Mom's family then.

My great-grandma had her last kid (boy) when her oldest was having her first (girl). They went to school together, no believed that he was her Uncle, and they had a more cousin-like relationship (which may be why your relatives got married).

My Mom has double-cousins (Parent's siblings married each other), they're as close to them as siblings. Funny thing is they don't look alike at all even though they're practically siblings genetically.
 
2013-02-21 04:49:45 PM

Oznog: ng2810: Why are there so many people calling this fake? It may be extremely bizarre and disturbing, yes, but it could happen!

I just discovered I have a brother who is around my age. Dad farked a hooker when he came to the US, and she became pregnant. Mom and Dad nearly broke up because of it, but they instead paid her to keep her trap shut and tried to keep him a secret. Once I became an adult and had access to our family financial records, I found out.

He is a sailor in the US Navy and frequents the same areas as me when in San Diego. My dad is a Navy veteran and I am at the Naval base all the time. We could have easily met up sometime before I found out he was my brother.

I also know of people who found long-lost siblings by meeting them at parties. It really isn't unusual for siblings raised apart and who have no knowledge of each other to become attracted to one another.

Wow... okay, I wasn't sure if I was ever going to tell anyone about this, but it's late and I'm sleep deprived so i guess I'll just write it now and regret it in the morning :(

First of all, - just for some background: My mom died right when I was born, (she was actually really, really hot- but this isn't about her. I guess that's farked-up up to say, but whatever.) I actually grew up with my dad's family, because my dad has all sorts of emotional issues and he bailed before I was born. So you can see, my childhood was really kind of messed up.

Anyways, growing up I feel like there was always a lot of distance between me and my sister. When I was about 17 or 18 I first noticed that my sister was a hottie.

I don't want to go into to many details about it, but basically what happened is that I accidentally found a video that she made of herself. I knew she didn't make it for me- but I thought she was so farking beautiful that I watched it twice. I probably would have watched it a hell of a lot more, except that like right around the time I found the video, all this crazy shiat went down an ...


this is awesome. You are definitely one of the greats. Nice tag BTW. backwards "Gonzo".
 
jvl
2013-02-21 04:53:23 PM
Two people born from sperm donors in the same metro area got married without verifying they weren't related?  With that level of stupid, I have to ask, were they already inbred before getting married?
 
2013-02-21 05:06:09 PM
This sounds like the makings of a porn flick....
 
2013-02-21 05:33:01 PM

dee231: Ha! This thread is a bit timely for me! No I am not inbred..but I did (briefly) date someone who was in high school. I broke it off as soon as he told me: My grandfather is also my father and my mother is his daughter. 0_o His parents lived together and did look alike. He ended up stalking me like the psycho he was after I broke up with him. Fast forward to 2013. I'm bored on FB. So I search some old names of people I used to know including inbred ex. Turns out he's married with two kids. So I email his wife: do you know your husband is the product of incest? (hopefully not) And now that you know you have an obligation to tell your children when they are old enough. I doubt he told her. I cannot make myself think she already knows and would knowingly have children with him.
/wonder how long my message will sit in her FB other box before she sees it?


i950.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-21 05:40:55 PM
This is a seminal question about the nature of assisted reproduction.

Really? You really needed to go there, Prudence?
 
2013-02-21 06:23:12 PM

lordargent: Was the doner a Beatle?


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Tasted more like horse to me.
 
2013-02-21 06:57:00 PM

TwistedFark: First cousins are actually fine to marry, the "increased genetic risk" amounts to 1.7% to 2%. As you mentioned, many other cultures first cousins marry quite frequently, in fact in some of them they account for 50% of all marriages. Just do the math - if it was actually genetically "bad" for first cousins to marry, the populations in these countries wouldn't be able to sustain themselves.

Unless your ma and pa are brother and sister you have nothing to worry about and it's highly unlikely that their genetic closeness outside of that appreciably increased your odds of any sort of genetic defects, if you have a genetic disorder like sickle cell anemia, then playing the odds it's pretty likely you were going to have it anyway.


The first generation, the odds of causing birth defects is actually lower than the risks from having a baby in your late 30's.  The odds with cousins gets worse each generation though, and are significantly worse if your family has a serious recessive genetic weakness.  That said, with modern DNA tests, from a genetic standpoint at least, blood tests for dangerous recessive genes are probably more important than not hooking up with cousins (or even siblings).  From a psychological or sociological perspective, hooking up with close relatives is probably not such a good idea.
 
2013-02-21 07:13:05 PM

shortymac: Town Called Bumpass: shortymac: Town Called Bumpass: J. Frank Parnell: postnobills: My point is there are plenty of people out there with trees like that who aren't even royalty.

I'd say chances are every genetic line has had it happen several times, at least.

Would only become a serious problem if you do it for many consecutive generations, and even then it would be worked out after a few generations of breeding outside of your family. They breed horses within the same families all the time. The logic is supposedly that it amplifies any existing traits within family genetics, but it's kind of a crap shoot on whether what gets amplified are good traits or bad. If that applies the same to humans it wouldn't always mean bad things happen.

We do the same thing with dogs... Line breeding... But never to the same degree of relation as discussed in the article... They may share a "great grandpa" or similar. However, with dogs, I don't believe genetic information is transmitted 50/50 as it is with humans... I think the dam contributes more. Even if that isn't true, the dogs don't care... The boys aren't picky when a girl is in season. I wonder what the neighbors think when they hear from our property "Bennie! That's your sister! Leave her alone!"

/wishes humans had a breed warden program set up like dogs have
//that might eliminate the need for a Florida tag in a few generations though
/// I also breed slashies

My Roommate's Mom used to breed Persian Cats and go to cat shows (they had grand champions! BLECH) and apparently breeding brother to sister and parent to child was "okay".

There's a lot of genetic defects in show breeds because of those practices. An ex-BF's Step-Mom was obsessed with King Charles Cavalier Spaniels and would brag how one of their grandpas was a Westminster Show Winner (or something).

Those dogs were seriously broken, sad, neurotic, and always sick. They took it to Penn State's Vet hospital for all their health issues!

The only normal one was a rescue KCCS one t ...

I know there are good breeders out there (like yourself) and I think DNA testing is going to help improve breeds in the long term, my issue is with the industry as a whole, especially with the standard setters.

The breed standards aren't going enough to prevent this sort of behavior and sometimes encourage the breeding of unhealthy traits such as Brachycephalic heads and "miniaturizing" breeds. Why aren't incestuous breeding practices banded from showing?

There's lots of money to be made on the show circuit and I think it's a reason why the standards setters turn a blind eye to it.

Roommate's mom got out of the show business a while back and sold her whole cattery, part of the reason was her whole cattery had some sort of defective genes. They had about 30 cats total I think. I have no idea if those cats are breeding or not.

Ex-bf's Step-Mom wasn't a breeder, just little obsessed with the KCCS breed (had it plastered everywhere in their house, it was a little odd) and bought the 2 neurotic dogs from a breeder. She never had kids so the dogs became her "kids". One had food anxiety and had to be fed in a cage, they shook all the time (which I now think is a disease the breed has because their skulls are too small for their brains), it was very very sad to watch.

Breeds have their place, but when I get a dog though I'm going to the Humane Society.

/4 awesome mutt kitties now


Why do people think there is a lot of money in show dogs? There isn't any... In any of it... Not the breeders, not the kennel clubs, not vets...so I wish someone would tell me and the other folks at the shows where this money is. There is no cash prize that comes even close to my outlay in this. The idea is that you display examples of your breeding stock. The titles become like your street cred. If have a champion that means a consensus of mostly impartial judges agree that the dog fits the standard of the breed and is the best example of the breed over many shows against many other dogs. I then would breed that dog to another dog based on many, many factors and mitigate as much risk as I can hope I get something as nice or nicer than what I started with. If it didn't turn out like I planned and the dog isn't suffering or has some hideous and heartbreaking health problem (which I tested against more than most people do before they breed their little human puppies) I sell the puppy at a price that reflects its quality and require the dog be spayed or neutered. This is standard. I am not an exception. There are many more like me than people that aren't.

As for the "inbreeding" I'm not sure who would do that. First, the male only contributes about 30% of the genetic material involved (give or take). This is for several biological reasons that are to dense to get into here. This is why you could theoretically breed father to daughter and still have enough genetic material to prevent Deliverance puppies. If you have done the clearances for genetic diseases and the combinations work out (think high school biology class Mendellian genetics) then there isn't a problem. The nice thing about purebred dogs is I know where they come from... so if the four generation pedigree has too much copy paste in it I would ask why before I bred to it, or bought that dog. There are lots of reasons why this may be the case, good and bad. Again, this is not the exception by a long shot.

This gets me a little worked up because as riled as people get about the horror stories, that is how riled I am about misrepresentation of my way of life. Horror at the sport of purebred dogs is easy to get outraged about. Show a few pictures of dogs in cages, assign human feelings and circumstances to animals, make sweeping generalizations and ta-da outrage! It would be like showing an episode of hoarders and saying "This is how people in America live." True... But also not true at the same time. Uninformed and ridiculous ideas about this topic are trying to legislate against my way of life. The people that do what I do will never be as loud or compelling as a commercial with Sarah McLachlan, but that's because we are to busy taking care of our dogs. Sigh.
 
2013-02-21 08:42:06 PM

dee231: Ha! This thread is a bit timely for me! No I am not inbred..but I did (briefly) date someone who was in high school. I broke it off as soon as he told me: My grandfather is also my father and my mother is his daughter. 0_o His parents lived together and did look alike. He ended up stalking me like the psycho he was after I broke up with him. Fast forward to 2013. I'm bored on FB. So I search some old names of people I used to know including inbred ex. Turns out he's married with two kids. So I email his wife: do you know your husband is the product of incest? (hopefully not) And now that you know you have an obligation to tell your children when they are old enough. I doubt he told her. I cannot make myself think she already knows and would knowingly have children with him.
/wonder how long my message will sit in her FB other box before she sees it?


Yikes. I'm hoping this post is fake. Going out of your way to ruin some poor guy's life just because you think he's defective and should live a certain way is nothing to brag about. Maybe try minding your own business next time?
 
2013-02-21 11:39:32 PM
You already did the damage by having kids, Casanova.
 
2013-02-22 04:08:55 PM
GreenAdder: Do you mean after you've run around in circles screaming for an hour?

THIS.
 
2013-02-23 10:44:30 PM

dee231: Turns out he's married with two kids. So I email his wife: do you know your husband is the product of incest?


I really hope that's not true and that you're just a dumb troll.  Otherwise, why would you do that?
That's very mean and completely none of your business.  Especially since...

dee231: if you know your parents are father and daughter don't have kids yourself!


Genetics does not work that way!
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The danger of incest comes only when the two people having kids are related.  They have a greater chance of passing on harmful recessive genes or exacerbating the effects of genes they're already expressing because their partners are much more likely to contribute those exact same genes.  But if someone who is a product of incest has kids with someone who is unrelated to them, they have no more chance to pass on harmful or abnormal genes than any other member of the general population, because their partner is unlikely to be passing on the same genes as they are.  If YOU are a product of incest it has no impact on your ability to have healthy children with someone who is unrelated to you!
 
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