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(Slate)   "Dear Prudence: My wife and I came from the same sperm donor. What do we do?"   (slate.com) divider line 185
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2013-02-20 11:54:03 PM  
Do you mean after you've run around in circles screaming for an hour?
 
2013-02-20 11:59:35 PM  
This did not farking happen.  But thanks for another dose of manufactured tabloid bullshiat.
 
2013-02-21 12:02:39 AM  

GAT_00: This did not farking happen.  But thanks for another dose of manufactured tabloid bullshiat.


THIS

but in case this happens to you,
1) kill your children, QUICKLY - they are the spawn of the devil and will destroy the world
2) after they are dead, mail all you cash to me
3) kill your self and your spouse, given that you are both clearly too stupid to live

/if only god had made DNA tests you could use before having crotch spawn to confirm that you are not twins.
 
2013-02-21 12:12:46 AM  
Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.
 
2013-02-21 12:14:22 AM  
Start saving for little Goober's banjo lessons
 
2013-02-21 12:28:23 AM  

postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.


Roosevelt?
 
2013-02-21 12:47:29 AM  
adopt... your not meant to breed, and keep it a secret so you dont lose any social status.
 
2013-02-21 12:47:35 AM  
Dear Editor: I couldn't get a real job as a real journalist. Will you give me a job as a pretend journalist who writes outrageous "reader letters" to themselves, and then "answers" them to fill column inches? Love, every "advice" columnist ever.
 
2013-02-21 12:47:53 AM  

postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.


i451.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-21 12:48:08 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.

Roosevelt?


Nope.

If you do the research, this kind of thing is actually far more common than most of us would like to believe.  In the west it simply isn't talked about, but in some cultures second or even first cousins are considered the best candidates for marriage.  In my case, so far I've been pretty healthy but the genetic counselor did suggest that I shouldn't try to have kids myself.
 
2013-02-21 12:48:23 AM  
yeeeesh
 
2013-02-21 12:49:44 AM  
Incest, the game the whole family can play.
 
2013-02-21 12:50:08 AM  

GAT_00: This did not farking happen.  But thanks for another dose of manufactured tabloid bullshiat.


Oh come on it's as true as anything on Dear Prudie.
 
2013-02-21 12:50:26 AM  

postnobills: If you do the research, this kind of thing is actually far more common than most of us would like to believe.  In the west it simply isn't talked about, but in some cultures second or even first cousins are considered the best candidates for marriage.  In my case, so far I've been pretty healthy but the genetic counselor did suggest that I shouldn't try to have kids with my first cousin family-arranged partner myself.


FTFY?
 
2013-02-21 12:50:26 AM  
This is a seminal question about the nature of assisted reproduction

Uh-huh.
 
2013-02-21 12:50:32 AM  
"This is a seminal question..."

Best troll EVAR. Oh wait, it was her column? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
2013-02-21 12:51:34 AM  

GAT_00: This did not farking happen.  But thanks for another dose of manufactured tabloid bullshiat.


That was my initial impression, also.
 
2013-02-21 12:52:30 AM  

postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.


Do you have any extra nipples?
 
2013-02-21 12:56:27 AM  

gweilo8888: postnobills: If you do the research, this kind of thing is actually far more common than most of us would like to believe.  In the west it simply isn't talked about, but in some cultures second or even first cousins are considered the best candidates for marriage.  In my case, so far I've been pretty healthy but the genetic counselor did suggest that I shouldn't try to have kids with my first cousin family-arranged partner myself.

FTFY?


Um, no.

On the other hand, whenever I start to get the "why won't you settle down with a nice girl?" lecture from my mother, I pretty much always win the argument.
 
2013-02-21 12:57:31 AM  

Harry_Seldon: postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.

Do you have any extra nipples?


Not nipples, no.
 
2013-02-21 12:57:54 AM  
If stuff like this didn't happen where would new advice columnist come from?
 
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2013-02-21 12:58:13 AM  
I'm pretty sure that she made up the article, but why couldn't it happen? More and more females are cutting out the middleman and going straight to the source and that source has vials all over the area.
 
2013-02-21 12:58:13 AM  
That's one hell of a way to describe a 'successful' three way.
 
2013-02-21 12:58:19 AM  
Maximum Prudence trolling.

Let's figure the odds on this happening (1: 1,000,000)
And the odds on a pair of morans writing to Prudy (1: 1,000,000)

/Being kind with the statistical correlation
 
2013-02-21 12:58:29 AM  
Move to Arkansas?
 
2013-02-21 12:58:53 AM  

Harry_Seldon: postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.

Do you have any extra nipples?


1.bp.blogspot.com

Can get you a nipple.
 
2013-02-21 12:59:00 AM  
He just doesn't understand how it works

Link (second clip)
 
2013-02-21 12:59:06 AM  
Was the doner a Beatle?

Here come old flat top.
He come grooving up slowly.
He got joo joo eyeball.
He one holy roller.
He got hair down to his knee.
Got to be a joker he just do what you please.

He wear no shoe shine.
He got toe jam football.
He got monkey finger.
He shoot Coca-Cola.
He say I know you, you know me.
One thing I can tell you is you got to be free.
Come together right now over me.
 
2013-02-21 12:59:14 AM  
1) Ew!
2) Sell the rights to your story to the Lifetime Network.
3) Profit!
 
2013-02-21 12:59:32 AM  
Either move to West Virginia or do anal.
 
2013-02-21 12:59:46 AM  

postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.


www.genealogyintime.com

Family tree?
 
2013-02-21 12:59:59 AM  

Harry_Seldon: postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.

Do you have any extra nipples?


How many are you looking for? (pops open the car trunk)
 
FNG [TotalFark]
2013-02-21 01:00:29 AM  
Good Lord.  Aren't we done with this "Dear Prudence" crap yet?  It's like wrestling meets Dear Penthouse.  Give it up, and please just stop.
 
2013-02-21 01:01:30 AM  

postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.


As long as you don't procreate with your sister you're probably okay.
 
2013-02-21 01:02:34 AM  

Maggie_Luna: postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.

[www.genealogyintime.com image 500x385]

Family tree?


Not even close.  My point is there are plenty of people out there with trees like that who aren't even royalty.
 
2013-02-21 01:03:13 AM  

FNG: Good Lord.  Aren't we done with this "Dear Prudence" crap yet?  It's like wrestling meets Dear Penthouse.  Give it up, and please just stop.


They should go on Jerry Springer, he's like... both.
 
2013-02-21 01:03:13 AM  
It's not terribly surprising that people are intensely sexually attracted to others who share similar genes.
 
2013-02-21 01:03:31 AM  

FNG: Good Lord.  Aren't we done with this "Dear Prudence" crap yet?  It's like wrestling meets Dear Penthouse.  Give it up, and please just stop.


It liket to read the agony columns. It makes me feel better about myself or like a soap opera, watch the train wreck presented but it doesn't take forever! More importantly you can read other people's comments and deride humanity/agree/feel superior.
 
2013-02-21 01:03:40 AM  
Come out to play?
 
2013-02-21 01:04:52 AM  
Best part of the "article" was the video of her appearance on Colbert.
 
2013-02-21 01:05:24 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Start saving for little Goober's banjo lessons


www.vanrozeboom.com
 
2013-02-21 01:06:44 AM  

jsf4646: Move to Arkansas?

Sorry but here in Arkansas, they are still considered normies. Now if both parents are the same and they have a couple leashed waterheads with webbed feet, then you have a "Wal-Mart sled team" which is pretty common around these parts.

 
2013-02-21 01:07:22 AM  
trolled in the prudies...
 
2013-02-21 01:08:50 AM  

Maggie_Luna: postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.

[www.genealogyintime.com image 500x385]

Family tree?


... Are you one of my students?  I just lectured my class about poor Charles II of Spain's family tree.
 
2013-02-21 01:08:56 AM  
meh--I have a set of great grandparents who were first cousins.
yeah, from Kentucky, why do you ask?
 
2013-02-21 01:09:15 AM  
soleboutique.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-21 01:09:46 AM  
Why are there so many people calling this fake? It may be extremely bizarre and disturbing, yes, but it could happen!

I just discovered I have a brother who is around my age. Dad farked a hooker when he came to the US, and she became pregnant. Mom and Dad nearly broke up because of it, but they instead paid her to keep her trap shut and tried to keep him a secret. Once I became an adult and had access to our family financial records, I found out.

He is a sailor in the US Navy and frequents the same areas as me when in San Diego. My dad is a Navy veteran and I am at the Naval base all the time. We could have easily met up sometime before I found out he was my brother.

I also know of people who found long-lost siblings by meeting them at parties. It really isn't unusual for siblings raised apart and who have no knowledge of each other to become attracted to one another.
 
2013-02-21 01:10:37 AM  

postnobills: Maggie_Luna: postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.

[www.genealogyintime.com image 500x385]

Family tree?

Not even close.  My point is there are plenty of people out there with trees like that who aren't even royalty.


Most people ain't marrying their siblings any more thought. Although a prime example for pro-siblinghood is Cleopatra, she was smart, well spoken, and seduced two of the most powerful men in the world while having her kingdom (just ignore the whole suicide, cowardice, and defeat thing). Cousin marriage is common still in several parts of the world, problems become more susceptible after several generations.
One of my grandparents were cousins and it's a family shame that my uncle is married to his (first) cousin *(because he um seems to like family which is grody).

My brother is genetically my 'half'-brother; is we *shudder* procreated I sincerely doubt there would issues but it's more likely to happen to due to similar genes that are problematic.
 
2013-02-21 01:11:26 AM  
So they're half-siblings. As long as their mother's weren't related their kids would likely be fine (and they are - they have three).  The main concern would be if the father had some genetic disease or was a carrier of one as they would have an increased risk of having kids with the disease.

 It may seem gross, but they should just continue as they are if they're happy.
 
2013-02-21 01:13:17 AM  
If yer family tree does not fork...

you might be a redneck
 
2013-02-21 01:14:06 AM  
At first I was like:


i.imgur.com

But then...

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-21 01:17:04 AM  
i dont think the article is fake, i saw an episode of 20/20 once and there was this guy who had like 15 sperm donor kids in the same town and two of them got married but didnt know
 
2013-02-21 01:17:19 AM  

GAT_00: This did not farking happen.  But thanks for another dose of manufactured tabloid bullshiat.


Its a beautiful thing ain't it baby?
Relax, take it easy
This won't hurt a bit
 
2013-02-21 01:18:19 AM  

ng2810: Why are there so many people calling this fake? It may be extremely bizarre and disturbing, yes, but it could happen!

I just discovered I have a brother who is around my age. Dad farked a hooker when he came to the US, and she became pregnant. Mom and Dad nearly broke up because of it, but they instead paid her to keep her trap shut and tried to keep him a secret. Once I became an adult and had access to our family financial records, I found out.

He is a sailor in the US Navy and frequents the same areas as me when in San Diego. My dad is a Navy veteran and I am at the Naval base all the time. We could have easily met up sometime before I found out he was my brother.

I also know of people who found long-lost siblings by meeting them at parties. It really isn't unusual for siblings raised apart and who have no knowledge of each other to become attracted to one another.


Wow... okay, I wasn't sure if I was ever going to tell anyone about this, but it's late and I'm sleep deprived so i guess I'll just write it now and regret it in the morning :(

First of all, - just for some background: My mom died right when I was born, (she was actually really, really hot- but this isn't about her. I guess that's farked-up up to say, but whatever.) I actually grew up with my dad's family, because my dad has all sorts of emotional issues and he bailed before I was born. So you can see, my childhood was really kind of messed up.

Anyways, growing up I feel like there was always a lot of distance between me and my sister. When I was about 17 or 18 I first noticed that my sister was a hottie.

I don't want to go into to many details about it, but basically what happened is that I accidentally found a video that she made of herself. I knew she didn't make it for me- but I thought she was so farking beautiful that I watched it twice. I probably would have watched it a hell of a lot more, except that like right around the time I found the video, all this crazy shiat went down and I had to leave home. (My dad's family who I was staying with got in bad trouble with the law. I never talk about it).

Sooo... I was totally lusting after my sister at that point. She was also having bad trouble with the law. She was actually in custody when I left home.

My friend and I went to go pick her up. When I saw her that day, after seeing the video, I have to be honest, I just wanted to fark her brains out. Looking back on it now, it's pretty messed up- but I think she had feelings for me too. She actually kissed me right after we came to get her... and it wasn't a sisterly kiss, you know? I mean, it wasn't like ridiculously sexual or anything, but it definitely wasn't sisterly.

After we left, we all went to crash with my Sister's friends. On the trip there, my friend sort of implied that he wanted to get with my Sister, and I got a little jealous. He's a good looking guy- and even though she was my sister- I just felt like he was competition. Not much else happened between us for a while except some maybe-sexy hugging.

Pretty much everyone in my life at that point was wanted by the government, so we all moved around a lot. I'm not saying that I'm proud of it or anything, but it was kind of an awesome time.

My friend and my sister never hooked up I don't think- but I thought there was some serious sexual tension going on between them. It was around that time that I got really badly hurt in an accident. It was farked up. I almost died. But when I was in recovery my sister came to see me, and out of the clear blue sky she started gives me this awesome, slow, passionate kiss on the lips.

Sadly (although, I guess for the best) nothing ever came of it. We spent some time apart... and I started to get really religious, so I tried not to think of her that way. It was actually going well for a long time- like I was totally over her. But I have to say, like a year or so after all that stuff went down, we were out sailing (not like a date or anything romantic like that), and she was wearing like the hottest bikini I've ever farking seen and it brought back all the old feelings. Sigh.

A little while later she actually wound up with my friend from before (the sexual tension guy). I can't say I was surprised.

But even after she was shacking up with my friend, there was one time we were at a party... my friend was inside, and my sister and I were outside alone. It was a really intimate moment. I think something might have happened, except that I killed the mood when I told her that Darth Vader was our father and that I had to go face him.
 
2013-02-21 01:19:56 AM  

ng2810: Why are there so many people calling this fake? It may be extremely bizarre and disturbing, yes, but it could happen!

I just discovered I have a brother who is around my age. Dad farked a hooker when he came to the US, and she became pregnant. Mom and Dad nearly broke up because of it, but they instead paid her to keep her trap shut and tried to keep him a secret. Once I became an adult and had access to our family financial records, I found out.

He is a sailor in the US Navy and frequents the same areas as me when in San Diego. My dad is a Navy veteran and I am at the Naval base all the time. We could have easily met up sometime before I found out he was my brother.

I also know of people who found long-lost siblings by meeting them at parties. It really isn't unusual for siblings raised apart and who have no knowledge of each other to become attracted to one another.


This is my biggest fear as a spermbank baby. I meet a guy and find out we're brother and sister. I know the chances are slim but life is stranger than fiction.
 
2013-02-21 01:22:24 AM  
I was more interested in the "Auntie Moniker" question.

Growing up, my brother and I had an "aunt" and "uncle" who were friends of my parents before we were even born. To this day we still call them Aunt and Uncle - out of endearment, familiarity, and respect - even though we've long-since learned we have no blood relation whatsoever. There have and there will always be people who are not related to you but will happily give you everything in the world, and there will also be family who do nothing but leech, demean, and suck the life out of you. Sometimes, people place too much stock in bloodlines.

Get over it, lady.
 
2013-02-21 01:23:28 AM  
They could have died never knowing they were related.  Good thing they found out so we can all call them immoral.  Whew! That was close.
 
2013-02-21 01:24:34 AM  
My brother was an only child.
 
2013-02-21 01:25:38 AM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: Best part of the "article" was the video of her appearance on Colbert.


They must rotate her videos because I got an entirely different one.  Would love to see her on Colbert's show!

I read Prudie to see what concerns rich, white, East Coast people have.
 
2013-02-21 01:26:57 AM  
your my sister oh yea  your my sister your my sister

i4.ytimg.com
 
2013-02-21 01:27:29 AM  

gittlebass: i dont think the article is fake, i saw an episode of 20/20 once and there was this guy who had like 15 sperm donor kids in the same town and two of them got married but didnt know


Add that story to the fertility doc that fathered over 75 (I think) kids with his own sperm and the guy that discovered he has over 80 kids out there due to his donations. I saw a documentary about the second guy, can't recall the title though. It's not unpossible.

Add in a smallish geographical area in which the guy donates and it's not all that unbelievable. Fertility clinics have started to change rules and guidelines in recent years partly because of these situations.
 
2013-02-21 01:28:21 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: This is a seminal question about the nature of assisted reproduction

Uh-huh.


I LOL'd there too.
 
2013-02-21 01:29:26 AM  
Wow, that was shockingly bad advice.  Telling him his children don't have a right to know that their parents are brother and sister?
 
2013-02-21 01:29:27 AM  

Oznog: ng2810: Why are there so many people calling this fake? It may be extremely bizarre and disturbing, yes, but it could happen!

I just discovered I have a brother who is around my age. Dad farked a hooker when he came to the US, and she became pregnant. Mom and Dad nearly broke up because of it, but they instead paid her to keep her trap shut and tried to keep him a secret. Once I became an adult and had access to our family financial records, I found out.

He is a sailor in the US Navy and frequents the same areas as me when in San Diego. My dad is a Navy veteran and I am at the Naval base all the time. We could have easily met up sometime before I found out he was my brother.

I also know of people who found long-lost siblings by meeting them at parties. It really isn't unusual for siblings raised apart and who have no knowledge of each other to become attracted to one another.

Wow... okay, I wasn't sure if I was ever going to tell anyone about this, but it's late and I'm sleep deprived so i guess I'll just write it now and regret it in the morning :(

First of all, - just for some background: My mom died right when I was born, (she was actually really, really hot- but this isn't about her. I guess that's farked-up up to say, but whatever.) I actually grew up with my dad's family, because my dad has all sorts of emotional issues and he bailed before I was born. So you can see, my childhood was really kind of messed up.

Anyways, growing up I feel like there was always a lot of distance between me and my sister. When I was about 17 or 18 I first noticed that my sister was a hottie.

I don't want to go into to many details about it, but basically what happened is that I accidentally found a video that she made of herself. I knew she didn't make it for me- but I thought she was so farking beautiful that I watched it twice. I probably would have watched it a hell of a lot more, except that like right around the time I found the video, all this crazy shiat went down an ...



3.bp.blogspot.com

 
2013-02-21 01:30:03 AM  

postnobills: My point is there are plenty of people out there with trees like that who aren't even royalty.


I'd say chances are every genetic line has had it happen several times, at least.

Would only become a serious problem if you do it for many consecutive generations, and even then it would be worked out after a few generations of breeding outside of your family. They breed horses within the same families all the time. The logic is supposedly that it amplifies any existing traits within family genetics, but it's kind of a crap shoot on whether what gets amplified are good traits or bad. If that applies the same to humans it wouldn't always mean bad things happen.
 
2013-02-21 01:33:59 AM  
Cancel the series?
screencrave.com
 
2013-02-21 01:35:14 AM  

GloomCookie613: gittlebass: i dont think the article is fake, i saw an episode of 20/20 once and there was this guy who had like 15 sperm donor kids in the same town and two of them got married but didnt know

Add that story to the fertility doc that fathered over 75 (I think) kids with his own sperm and the guy that discovered he has over 80 kids out there due to his donations. I saw a documentary about the second guy, can't recall the title though. It's not unpossible.

Add in a smallish geographical area in which the guy donates and it's not all that unbelievable. Fertility clinics have started to change rules and guidelines in recent years partly because of these situations.


Just found it. Guy's name is Ben Seisler. A quick google should turn up articles. The documentary was part of a Style Channel docu-series.
 
2013-02-21 01:37:34 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Oznog: ng2810: Why are there so many people calling this fake? It may be extremely bizarre and disturbing, yes, but it could happen!

I just discovered I have a brother who is around my age. Dad farked a hooker when he came to the US, and she became pregnant. Mom and Dad nearly broke up because of it, but they instead paid her to keep her trap shut and tried to keep him a secret. Once I became an adult and had access to our family financial records, I found out.

He is a sailor in the US Navy and frequents the same areas as me when in San Diego. My dad is a Navy veteran and I am at the Naval base all the time. We could have easily met up sometime before I found out he was my brother.

I also know of people who found long-lost siblings by meeting them at parties. It really isn't unusual for siblings raised apart and who have no knowledge of each other to become attracted to one another.

Wow... okay, I wasn't sure if I was ever going to tell anyone about this, but it's late and I'm sleep deprived so i guess I'll just write it now and regret it in the morning :(

First of all, - just for some background: My mom died right when I was born, (she was actually really, really hot- but this isn't about her. I guess that's farked-up up to say, but whatever.) I actually grew up with my dad's family, because my dad has all sorts of emotional issues and he bailed before I was born. So you can see, my childhood was really kind of messed up.

Anyways, growing up I feel like there was always a lot of distance between me and my sister. When I was about 17 or 18 I first noticed that my sister was a hottie.

I don't want to go into to many details about it, but basically what happened is that I accidentally found a video that she made of herself. I knew she didn't make it for me- but I thought she was so farking beautiful that I watched it twice. I probably would have watched it a hell of a lot more, except that like right around the time I found the video, all this crazy shiat went ...


Seconded. Fished in right until the end.
 
2013-02-21 01:37:43 AM  
I think this was one of the premise why the United Kingdom banned anonymous sperm donors.
 
2013-02-21 01:51:34 AM  
Came for Joe Dirt, leaving with you're sister.
 
2013-02-21 01:54:47 AM  

postnobills: Darth_Lukecash: postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.

Roosevelt?

Nope.

If you do the research, this kind of thing is actually far more common than most of us would like to believe.  In the west it simply isn't talked about, but in some cultures second or even first cousins are considered the best candidates for marriage.  In my case, so far I've been pretty healthy but the genetic counselor did suggest that I shouldn't try to have kids myself.


First cousins are actually fine to marry, the "increased genetic risk" amounts to 1.7% to 2%. As you mentioned, many other cultures first cousins marry quite frequently, in fact in some of them they account for 50% of all marriages. Just do the math - if it was actually genetically "bad" for first cousins to marry, the populations in these countries wouldn't be able to sustain themselves.

Unless your ma and pa are brother and sister you have nothing to worry about and it's highly unlikely that their genetic closeness outside of that appreciably increased your odds of any sort of genetic defects, if you have a genetic disorder like sickle cell anemia, then playing the odds it's pretty likely you were going to have it anyway.
 
2013-02-21 01:56:03 AM  

Mattevil: Cancel the series?
[screencrave.com image 580x400]


fark you, that series was so much better than Girls. The comedy Emmy's are a goddamn joke.
/that said, OMG A MOVIE!!!
 
2013-02-21 01:57:29 AM  

FNG: Good Lord.  Aren't we done with this "Dear Prudence" crap yet?  It's like wrestling meets Dear Penthouse.  Give it up, and please just stop.




No- exhibit a : Wont you come out to play
 
2013-02-21 01:59:48 AM  
Time to play the lottery, sister-farker.
 
2013-02-21 02:04:23 AM  

Oznog: ng2810: Why are there so many people calling this fake? It may be extremely bizarre and disturbing, yes, but it could happen!

I just discovered I have a brother who is around my age. Dad farked a hooker when he came to the US, and she became pregnant. Mom and Dad nearly broke up because of it, but they instead paid her to keep her trap shut and tried to keep him a secret. Once I became an adult and had access to our family financial records, I found out.

He is a sailor in the US Navy and frequents the same areas as me when in San Diego. My dad is a Navy veteran and I am at the Naval base all the time. We could have easily met up sometime before I found out he was my brother.

I also know of people who found long-lost siblings by meeting them at parties. It really isn't unusual for siblings raised apart and who have no knowledge of each other to become attracted to one another.

Wow... okay, I wasn't sure if I was ever going to tell anyone about this, but it's late and I'm sleep deprived so i guess I'll just write it now and regret it in the morning :(

First of all, - just for some background: My mom died right when I was born, (she was actually really, really hot- but this isn't about her. I guess that's farked-up up to say, but whatever.) I actually grew up with my dad's family, because my dad has all sorts of emotional issues and he bailed before I was born. So you can see, my childhood was really kind of messed up.

Anyways, growing up I feel like there was always a lot of distance between me and my sister. When I was about 17 or 18 I first noticed that my sister was a hottie.

I don't want to go into to many details about it, but basically what happened is that I accidentally found a video that she made of herself. I knew she didn't make it for me- but I thought she was so farking beautiful that I watched it twice. I probably would have watched it a hell of a lot more, except that like right around the time I found the video, all this crazy shiat went down an ...


That's art.

/Nothing more to add
 
2013-02-21 02:04:39 AM  
 
2013-02-21 02:09:53 AM  

alienated: No- exhibit a : Wont you come out to play


Good catch : )
 
2013-02-21 02:10:22 AM  

GAT_00: This did not farking happen.  But thanks for another dose of manufactured tabloid bullshiat.


I'd say Prudie jumped the shark, except I couldn't remember a time I actually believed one of her headlining letters. (The rest are much more real and sad, though.)

It's like The Onion, consider it entertainment for the easily amused, naive, and prurient.
 
2013-02-21 02:17:04 AM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Oznog:


[highstakesbassin.com image 500x472]


YODA SPEAK DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!  GOOD NIGHT!
 
2013-02-21 02:18:20 AM  

Oznog: I killed the mood when I told her that Darth Vader was our father and that I had to go face him.


www.theurbanshogun.com
 
2013-02-21 02:19:25 AM  

IlGreven: They could have died never knowing they were related.  Good thing they found out so we can all call them immoral.  Whew! That was close.


Nobody would know, except medical researchers who keep noticing the rise in the number of autistic and otherwise mentally handicapped children, before the inbreeding gets bad enough to start producing physical deformities...

/biology isn't like religion, it doesn't go away no matter how much you want to stop believing in it
//clearly the solution is to kill all the doctors, because without them we could be forever ignorant
 
2013-02-21 02:22:15 AM  

MadCat221: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Oznog:


[highstakesbassin.com image 500x472]

YODA SPEAK DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!  GOOD NIGHT!


Up the shut fark, you must.
 
2013-02-21 02:22:16 AM  
Pull a Turin Turambar and fall on your sword?
 
2013-02-21 02:22:25 AM  

postnobills: Darth_Lukecash: postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.

Roosevelt?

Nope.

If you do the research, this kind of thing is actually far more common than most of us would like to believe.  In the west it simply isn't talked about, but in some cultures second or even first cousins are considered the best candidates for marriage.  In my case, so far I've been pretty healthy but the genetic counselor did suggest that I shouldn't try to have kids myself.


Is that because you are an only child with no sister leaving no suitable candidate?
 
2013-02-21 02:23:18 AM  

had98c: Pull a Turin Turambar and fall on your sword?


If anyone ever makes a Silmarillion miniseries, or plain old T.V. show, I think my boner will be visible from the Andromeda Galaxy.
 
2013-02-21 02:25:04 AM  
Honey Wilder, Janey Robbins, and Tom Byron in scene 10 of 'Private Teacher'

NSFW and from 1983 so be ready to see some bush and terrible acting.
 
2013-02-21 02:33:42 AM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: MadCat221: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Oznog:


[highstakesbassin.com image 500x472]

YODA SPEAK DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!  GOOD NIGHT!

Up the shut fark, you must.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-21 02:36:56 AM  
 
2013-02-21 02:37:45 AM  

Oznog: I think something might have happened, except that I killed the mood when I told her that Darth Vader was our father and that I had to go face him.


A true thing of beauty you just did.
 
2013-02-21 02:39:21 AM  

Omnivorous: Maximum Prudence trolling.

Let's figure the odds on this happening (1: 1,000,000)
And the odds on a pair of morans writing to Prudy (1: 1,000,000)

/Being kind with the statistical correlation


The thing about a million to one odds is that it happens nine times out of ten.
 
2013-02-21 02:53:36 AM  
My advice?

Pluck out your eyes.
 
2013-02-21 02:55:02 AM  
Isn't 10% of EastAsia descended from Ghengis Khan?

Awkward.

And for a time South Koreans could not marry someone of the same surname even though 20% of the nation was Kim.

We are all related.
 
2013-02-21 02:57:55 AM  
Did they find this out when they noticed they had the same family crest tattooed on their thigh?
 
2013-02-21 02:58:07 AM  

Oznog: ng2810: Why are there so many people calling this fake? It may be extremely bizarre and disturbing, yes, but it could happen!

I just discovered I have a brother who is around my age. Dad farked a hooker when he came to the US, and she became pregnant. Mom and Dad nearly broke up because of it, but they instead paid her to keep her trap shut and tried to keep him a secret. Once I became an adult and had access to our family financial records, I found out.

He is a sailor in the US Navy and frequents the same areas as me when in San Diego. My dad is a Navy veteran and I am at the Naval base all the time. We could have easily met up sometime before I found out he was my brother.

I also know of people who found long-lost siblings by meeting them at parties. It really isn't unusual for siblings raised apart and who have no knowledge of each other to become attracted to one another.

Wow... okay, I wasn't sure if I was ever going to tell anyone about this, but it's late and I'm sleep deprived so i guess I'll just write it now and regret it in the morning :(...


24.media.tumblr.com

Beautiful
 
2013-02-21 02:58:36 AM  

Oznog: ng2810: Why are there so many people calling this fake? It may be extremely bizarre and disturbing, yes, but it could happen!

I just discovered I have a brother who is around my age. Dad farked a hooker when he came to the US, and she became pregnant. Mom and Dad nearly broke up because of it, but they instead paid her to keep her trap shut and tried to keep him a secret. Once I became an adult and had access to our family financial records, I found out.

He is a sailor in the US Navy and frequents the same areas as me when in San Diego. My dad is a Navy veteran and I am at the Naval base all the time. We could have easily met up sometime before I found out he was my brother.

I also know of people who found long-lost siblings by meeting them at parties. It really isn't unusual for siblings raised apart and who have no knowledge of each other to become attracted to one another.

Wow... okay, I wasn't sure if I was ever going to tell anyone about this, but it's late and I'm sleep deprived so i guess I'll just write it now and regret it in the morning :(

First of all, - just for some background: My mom died right when I was born, (she was actually really, really hot- but this isn't about her. I guess that's farked-up up to say, but whatever.) I actually grew up with my dad's family, because my dad has all sorts of emotional issues and he bailed before I was born. So you can see, my childhood was really kind of messed up.

Anyways, growing up I feel like there was always a lot of distance between me and my sister. When I was about 17 or 18 I first noticed that my sister was a hottie.

I don't want to go into to many details about it, but basically what happened is that I accidentally found a video that she made of herself. I knew she didn't make it for me- but I thought she was so farking beautiful that I watched it twice. I probably would have watched it a hell of a lot more, except that like right around the time I found the video, all this crazy shiat went down and I had to leave home. (My dad's family who I was staying with got in bad trouble with the law. I never talk about it).

Sooo... I was totally lusting after my sister at that point. She was also having bad trouble with the law. She was actually in custody when I left home.

My friend and I went to go pick her up. When I saw her that day, after seeing the video, I have to be honest, I just wanted to fark her brains out. Looking back on it now, it's pretty messed up- but I think she had feelings for me too. She actually kissed me right after we came to get her... and it wasn't a sisterly kiss, you know? I mean, it wasn't like ridiculously sexual or anything, but it definitely wasn't sisterly.

After we left, we all went to crash with my Sister's friends. On the trip there, my friend sort of implied that he wanted to get with my Sister, and I got a little jealous. He's a good looking guy- and even though she was my sister- I just felt like he was competition. Not much else happened between us for a while except some maybe-sexy hugging.

Pretty much everyone in my life at that point was wanted by the government, so we all moved around a lot. I'm not saying that I'm proud of it or anything, but it was kind of an awesome time.

My friend and my sister never hooked up I don't think- but I thought there was some serious sexual tension going on between them. It was around that time that I got really badly hurt in an accident. It was farked up. I almost died. But when I was in recovery my sister came to see me, and out of the clear blue sky she started gives me this awesome, slow, passionate kiss on the lips.

Sadly (although, I guess for the best) nothing ever came of it. We spent some time apart... and I started to get really religious, so I tried not to think of her that way. It was actually going well for a long time- like I was totally over her. But I have to say, like a year or so after all that stuff went down, we were out sailing (not like a date or anything romantic like that), and she was wearing like the hottest bikini I've ever farking seen and it brought back all the old feelings. Sigh.

A little while later she actually wound up with my friend from before (the sexual tension guy). I can't say I was surprised.

But even after she was shacking up with my friend, there was one time we were at a party... my friend was inside, and my sister and I were outside alone. It was a really intimate moment. I think something might have happened, except that I killed the mood when I told her that Darth Vader was our father and that I had to go face him.


And then?

/just copypasta the rest pls
 
2013-02-21 03:00:17 AM  
Always a good read Oznog, but not the 1st time I'd seen that one
 
2013-02-21 03:13:40 AM  

Oznog: But even after she was shacking up with my friend, there was one time we were at a party... my friend was inside, and my sister and I were outside alone. It was a really intimate moment. I think something might have happened, except that I killed the mood when I told her that Darth Vader was our father and that I had to go face him.


Well played!
Can't go wrong with the classics
 
2013-02-21 03:32:26 AM  
I got a little on the ceiling.
 
2013-02-21 03:35:44 AM  
One can only hope this plays out like a good George R.R. Martin incest yarn.....

/everybody dies
 
2013-02-21 03:36:41 AM  
What do you win from Slate for having the most outrageous Dear Prudence letter ever?
 
2013-02-21 03:43:51 AM  
As the child of a couple who had to term to sperm donation?  This is the nightmare scenario.  A small but not zero number of individuals develop something called Genetic Sexual Attraction.  When I was a younger man in the dating scene I crossed my fingers that this wouldn't happen.  While I doubt the story?  Definitely feel for the writer if it is true and thank everything that it wasn't me.
 
2013-02-21 03:46:03 AM  
www.wearysloth.com

It matters to God!
 
2013-02-21 04:01:50 AM  

blottoman: Oznog: ng2810: Why are there so many people calling this fake? It may be extremely bizarre and disturbing, yes, but it could happen!


[24.media.tumblr.com image 350x263]

Beautiful


It brings me great pleasure to see Paul Darrow in the GIF. What a tremendous character was Avon, especially when conversing contra Orac.
 
2013-02-21 04:02:40 AM  

GAT_00: This did not farking happen.  But thanks for another dose of manufactured tabloid bullshiat.


it was a boston legal episode
 
2013-02-21 04:03:12 AM  

Trocadero: Mattevil: Cancel the series?
[screencrave.com image 580x400]

fark you, that series was so much better than Girls. The comedy Emmy's are a goddamn joke.
/that said, OMG A MOVIE!!!

Hey I'm on your side. Loved the show just sad it left right after introducing Stacy Keach and leaving the aforementioned loose end.
 
2013-02-21 04:12:51 AM  

postnobills: In my case, so far I've been pretty healthy but the genetic counselor did suggest that I shouldn't try to have kids myself.


So long as you fark someone who is completely unrelated to you, there should be no more risk than anyone else having children.
 
2013-02-21 04:16:23 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Oznog: But even after she was shacking up with my friend, there was one time we were at a party... my friend was inside, and my sister and I were outside alone. It was a really intimate moment. I think something might have happened, except that I killed the mood when I told her that Darth Vader was our father and that I had to go face him.

Well played!
Can't go wrong with the classics


Should have ended with a /not mine or something though. That yarn, awesome as it is, is at least 2 years old. (Link to apparently original source.)
 
2013-02-21 04:17:56 AM  

James F. Campbell: It's not terribly surprising that people are intensely sexually attracted to others who share similar genes.


That's been documented.  It's offset by another biological tendency to find the people you were raised with as siblings sexually repulsive.  This safety mechanism fails when siblings are raised separately.
 
2013-02-21 04:26:10 AM  

100 Watt Walrus: Uchiha_Cycliste: Oznog: But even after she was shacking up with my friend, there was one time we were at a party... my friend was inside, and my sister and I were outside alone. It was a really intimate moment. I think something might have happened, except that I killed the mood when I told her that Darth Vader was our father and that I had to go face him.

Well played!
Can't go wrong with the classics

Should have ended with a /not mine or something though. That yarn, awesome as it is, is at least 2 years old. (Link to apparently original source.)


I would be shocked if that didn't actually originate on /b/
 
2013-02-21 04:30:07 AM  
I sympathise with the rather dull last letter.  I work with someone who is an awful storyteller.  If he wants to describe a chain of events to you in order to ask you a question it is long, meandering, full of unnecessary detail, and actually impossible to tell what the important points are to pay attention to so you can reasonably answer the inevitable question.

Any attempts to hurry him along so you can get back to work, get him to tell you the question first so you know what to listen for, or ask what his actual point is and he gets offended and sulks like a child for the rest of the day.

/Can I punch him
//Just once...
 
2013-02-21 04:33:40 AM  

Oh, and just because we've wandered into territory where "Star Wars," sex and sisters have all intertwined...

img801.imageshack.us
 
2013-02-21 04:34:37 AM  

if_i_really_have_to: I sympathise with the rather dull last letter.  I work with someone who is an awful storyteller.  If he wants to describe a chain of events to you in order to ask you a question it is long, meandering, full of unnecessary detail, and actually impossible to tell what the important points are to pay attention to so you can reasonably answer the inevitable question.

Any attempts to hurry him along so you can get back to work, get him to tell you the question first so you know what to listen for, or ask what his actual point is and he gets offended and sulks like a child for the rest of the day.

/Can I punch him
//Just once...


You actually can punch him, and conveniently enough, you do get to do it *just* once.
 
2013-02-21 04:44:09 AM  

postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.


In researching my and my husbands family tree, I found lots of examples of cousins marrying. Mostly above 1rst cousin level, but it appears it just wasn't that big a deal until recently.

...also discovered that husband and I share at least one ancestor several generations ago. Kind of neat.
 
2013-02-21 04:47:08 AM  

postnobills: Darth_Lukecash: postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.

Roosevelt?

Nope.

If you do the research, this kind of thing is actually far more common than most of us would like to believe.  In the west it simply isn't talked about, but in some cultures second or even first cousins are considered the best candidates for marriage.  In my case, so far I've been pretty healthy but the genetic counselor did suggest that I shouldn't try to have kids myself.


That's odd to me, as no matter what, you're only donating half your genetic material to a child. Maybe get a second opinion.
 
2013-02-21 04:49:51 AM  

ng2810: Why are there so many people calling this fake?


Because it's Prudence.
 
2013-02-21 05:14:57 AM  

foxyshadis: GAT_00: This did not farking happen.  But thanks for another dose of manufactured tabloid bullshiat.

I'd say Prudie jumped the shark, except I couldn't remember a time I actually believed one of her headlining letters. (The rest are much more real and sad, though.)

It's like The Onion, consider it entertainment for the easily amused, naive, and prurient.


Her headline  letter typically echoes some hot topic that was in MSM a few months earlier.  This is no exception.
 
2013-02-21 05:16:02 AM  

themasterdebater: What do you win from Slate for having the most outrageous Dear Prudence letter ever?


Prudie's job.
 
2013-02-21 05:17:36 AM  

InitialCommentGuy: As the child of a couple who had to term to sperm donation?  This is the nightmare scenario.  A small but not zero number of individuals develop something called Genetic Sexual Attraction.  When I was a younger man in the dating scene I crossed my fingers that this wouldn't happen.  While I doubt the story?  Definitely feel for the writer if it is true and thank everything that it wasn't me.


Man, you turkey baster babies are farked up.
 
2013-02-21 05:36:45 AM  
www.deviantart.com
 
2013-02-21 05:39:33 AM  
You know, for YEARS, I've been waiting for the opportunity to look at someone saying "I'd like you to meet my wife and my sister" (and there's one woman standing there) and have it be TRUE!!!

Oh, the jokes...
/straight family tree
/blue skinned kids
/deliverance

Never before has that old hillbilly joke been SO APPROPOS

//leaving satisfied
 
2013-02-21 05:52:43 AM  
Move to Kentucky. No one will notice.
 
2013-02-21 05:53:55 AM  

snowballinhell: You know, for YEARS, I've been waiting for the opportunity to look at someone saying "I'd like you to meet my wife and my sister" (and there's one woman standing there) and have it be TRUE!!!

Oh, the jokes...
/straight family tree
/blue skinned kids
/deliverance

Never before has that old hillbilly joke been SO APPROPOS

//leaving satisfied


The kids have blue skin?
J/K
 
2013-02-21 06:05:38 AM  
This sounds like a classic Dear Abby prank.
 
ows
2013-02-21 06:07:15 AM  
...........just don't cut the tail off your baby, because they're just so cute when their tail wags when they're laughing.
 
2013-02-21 06:16:26 AM  

ows: ...........just don't cut the tail off your baby, because they're just so cute when their tail wags when they're laughing.


So true... ; )
heylady.net
 
2013-02-21 06:37:53 AM  
Dear Prudence is a bunch of drunk people in a room making up stories. Much like Weekly World News.

"Dear Prudence, my cousin says she was raped by Batboy and now is pregnant with a reincarnated pirate..."
 
2013-02-21 06:56:48 AM  
Honestly, who cares.
Even if this were real, I can't bring myself to think it's weird.  If you're raised with your sibling like normal brothers and sisters and then marry them, THAT'S weird.  Even if you haven't been raised together but you know ahead of time that they're your sibling and you have a relationship anyway... that's weird, even if the feelings are more understandable.  But if you were raised completely separately, grew up totally apart from each other, happened to meet under normal circumstances, fell in love got married and had kids, and now are JUST finding out that you're half-related?  Frankly I think the weird thing would be to let that fact change anything at all.  At that point it is of no real importance.
 
2013-02-21 06:59:44 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: postnobills: My point is there are plenty of people out there with trees like that who aren't even royalty.

I'd say chances are every genetic line has had it happen several times, at least.

Would only become a serious problem if you do it for many consecutive generations, and even then it would be worked out after a few generations of breeding outside of your family. They breed horses within the same families all the time. The logic is supposedly that it amplifies any existing traits within family genetics, but it's kind of a crap shoot on whether what gets amplified are good traits or bad. If that applies the same to humans it wouldn't always mean bad things happen.


We do the same thing with dogs... Line breeding... But never to the same degree of relation as discussed in the article... They may share a "great grandpa" or similar. However, with dogs, I don't believe genetic information is transmitted 50/50 as it is with humans... I think the dam contributes more. Even if that isn't true, the dogs don't care... The boys aren't picky when a girl is in season. I wonder what the neighbors think when they hear from our property "Bennie! That's your sister! Leave her alone!"

/wishes humans had a breed warden program set up like dogs have
//that might eliminate the need for a Florida tag in a few generations though
/// I also breed slashies
 
2013-02-21 07:03:39 AM  

Gawdzila: Honestly, who cares.
Even if this were real, I can't bring myself to think it's weird.  If you're raised with your sibling like normal brothers and sisters and then marry them, THAT'S weird.  Even if you haven't been raised together but you know ahead of time that they're your sibling and you have a relationship anyway... that's weird, even if the feelings are more understandable.  But if you were raised completely separately, grew up totally apart from each other, happened to meet under normal circumstances, fell in love got married and had kids, and now are JUST finding out that you're half-related?  Frankly I think the weird thing would be to let that fact change anything at all.  At that point it is of no real importance.


Wow, that was really well said, and I believe it to be correct. I didn't expect that on fark congrats ; )
 
2013-02-21 07:19:36 AM  
WOW... this should have been like Weeners or 2...

www.myfellowamerican.tv

/Incest is best
//Fark... I am disappoint.
 
2013-02-21 07:36:07 AM  

James F. Campbell: It's not terribly surprising that people are intensely sexually attracted to others who share similar genes.


It is called genetic sexual attraction (GSA). Adoptees who go through counselling before meeting their birth family learn about it.
See, when you grow up with someone your brain gets wired to see them in a non sexual way. When you don't grow up with them you don't get that wiring. If you meet someone as an adult that you happen to be related too your brain can then see them as a possible sexual partner without all the internal mental prohibitions that would be there if you had grown up together.
Adding to that, people in this situation often mistake facial resemblance for attractiveness in the other person. Your brain doesn't know what to do with a face that looks like your own and often interprets that similarity incorrectly as attractiveness.

/adoptee
//Been through the counselling.
///Met my birth mom and she is awesome.
////Yay birth families!!!!
 
2013-02-21 07:43:34 AM  

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: So they're half-siblings. As long as their mother's weren't related their kids would likely be fine (and they are - they have three).  The main concern would be if the father had some genetic disease or was a carrier of one as they would have an increased risk of having kids with the disease.

 It may seem gross, but they should just continue as they are if they're happy.


I agree with the genetic counseling advice (just to be sure for the kids). I don't know that I'd recommend telling the spouse...it really depends on the person and the relationship. I'd have said go talk to a marriage counselor (alone) and have them take it from there on whether or not to disclose. I think there are some people who just couldn't handle it, and it would take a good situation and ruin it for everyone...for no purpose. That being said, there are people who'd want to know no matter what, and she might be that type of person. Extremely situational.

And probably fake, but one of those 'could've happened's
 
2013-02-21 08:07:48 AM  
I didn't feel like going into work today so I called my boss
me : Boss, I can't come in today I'm sick
boss : Well how sick are you?
me : I just got done farking my sister, that's pretty farking sick

/ stolen
// sick
 
2013-02-21 08:09:55 AM  
See what happens when you let the gays marry?
 
2013-02-21 08:11:41 AM  
how long has ivf been around? lesbians were allowed to get sperm more then 20 years ago?
 
2013-02-21 08:20:57 AM  
The only possible conclusion is that some European prince wrote in, and "sperm donor" is a euphemism for a wayward royal.
 
2013-02-21 08:26:06 AM  

Oznog: except that I killed the mood when I told her that Darth Vader was our father and that I had to go face him.


Well played
 
2013-02-21 08:36:14 AM  
snag.gy
 
2013-02-21 08:55:28 AM  

IAMTHEINTARWEBS: See, when you grow up with someone your brain gets wired to see them in a non sexual way. When you don't grow up with them you don't get that wiring. If you meet someone as an adult that you happen to be related too your brain can then see them as a possible sexual partner without all the internal mental prohibitions that would be there if you had grown up together.


pciszek: That's been documented. It's offset by another biological tendency to find the people you were raised with as siblings sexually repulsive. This safety mechanism fails when siblings are raised separately.


I am already aware of the Westermarck effect. I also know that recent studies have begun to show evidence that the Westermarck effect does not exist.
 
2013-02-21 09:21:14 AM  

James F. Campbell: IAMTHEINTARWEBS: See, when you grow up with someone your brain gets wired to see them in a non sexual way. When you don't grow up with them you don't get that wiring. If you meet someone as an adult that you happen to be related too your brain can then see them as a possible sexual partner without all the internal mental prohibitions that would be there if you had grown up together.

pciszek: That's been documented. It's offset by another biological tendency to find the people you were raised with as siblings sexually repulsive. This safety mechanism fails when siblings are raised separately.

I am already aware of the Westermarck effect. I also know that recent studies have begun to show evidence that the Westermarck effect does not exist.


Sounds like you boned your sister
 
2013-02-21 09:26:20 AM  
These freakouts always remind me of this story.

http://everything2.com/title/If+All+Men+Were+Brothers%252C+Would+You +L et+One+Marry+Your+Sister%253F

It's what happens when you actually think about the matter instead of just going for the joke.
 
2013-02-21 09:27:44 AM  
Hotness trumps sisterness.
 
2013-02-21 09:35:09 AM  
If the kids asked why the all have oversized jaws and sloping foreheads just tell them the family comes from British royalty.
 
2013-02-21 09:41:53 AM  

100 Watt Walrus: Uchiha_Cycliste: Oznog: But even after she was shacking up with my friend, there was one time we were at a party... my friend was inside, and my sister and I were outside alone. It was a really intimate moment. I think something might have happened, except that I killed the mood when I told her that Darth Vader was our father and that I had to go face him.

Well played!
Can't go wrong with the classics

Should have ended with a /not mine or something though. That yarn, awesome as it is, is at least 2 years old. (Link to apparently original source.)


No, that was copypasta from 4chan in like 2005, probably even before then and probably from someplace completely else. There was a phase on 4chan of trying to disguise well known movie/game plots as someone's "own story". I think the best one I have seen was actually a 6 page story that turned out to be the lyrics of Mr. Brightside. That, my friends, was a pretty awesome one. Reddit has no original material, its all copied from other places.

/A lot like fark.
 
2013-02-21 09:54:36 AM  

boinkingbill: If the kids asked why the all have oversized jaws and sloping foreheads just tell them the family comes from British royalty.


images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-02-21 10:18:10 AM  

Oznog: ng2810: Why are there so many people calling this fake? It may be extremely bizarre and disturbing, yes, but it could happen!

I just discovered I have a brother who is around my age. Dad farked a hooker when he came to the US, and she became pregnant. Mom and Dad nearly broke up because of it, but they instead paid her to keep her trap shut and tried to keep him a secret. Once I became an adult and had access to our family financial records, I found out.

He is a sailor in the US Navy and frequents the same areas as me when in San Diego. My dad is a Navy veteran and I am at the Naval base all the time. We could have easily met up sometime before I found out he was my brother.

I also know of people who found long-lost siblings by meeting them at parties. It really isn't unusual for siblings raised apart and who have no knowledge of each other to become attracted to one another.

Wow... okay, I wasn't sure if I was ever going to tell anyone about this, but it's late and I'm sleep deprived so i guess I'll just write it now and regret it in the morning :(

First of all, - just for some background: My mom died right when I was born, (she was actually really, really hot- but this isn't about her. I guess that's farked-up up to say, but whatever.) I actually grew up with my dad's family, because my dad has all sorts of emotional issues and he bailed before I was born. So you can see, my childhood was really kind of messed up.

Anyways, growing up I feel like there was always a lot of distance between me and my sister. When I was about 17 or 18 I first noticed that my sister was a hottie.

I don't want to go into to many details about it, but basically what happened is that I accidentally found a video that she made of herself. I knew she didn't make it for me- but I thought she was so farking beautiful that I watched it twice. I probably would have watched it a hell of a lot more, except that like right around the time I found the video, all this crazy shiat went down an ...


+1 internets
 
2013-02-21 10:19:44 AM  
Ha! This thread is a bit timely for me! No I am not inbred..but I did (briefly) date someone who was in high school. I broke it off as soon as he told me: My grandfather is also my father and my mother is his daughter. 0_o His parents lived together and did look alike. He ended up stalking me like the psycho he was after I broke up with him. Fast forward to 2013. I'm bored on FB. So I search some old names of people I used to know including inbred ex. Turns out he's married with two kids. So I email his wife: do you know your husband is the product of incest? (hopefully not) And now that you know you have an obligation to tell your children when they are old enough. I doubt he told her. I cannot make myself think she already knows and would knowingly have children with him.
/wonder how long my message will sit in her FB other box before she sees it?
 
2013-02-21 10:24:19 AM  

dee231: Ha! This thread is a bit timely for me! No I am not inbred..but I did (briefly) date someone who was in high school. I broke it off as soon as he told me: My grandfather is also my father and my mother is his daughter. 0_o His parents lived together and did look alike. He ended up stalking me like the psycho he was after I broke up with him. Fast forward to 2013. I'm bored on FB. So I search some old names of people I used to know including inbred ex. Turns out he's married with two kids. So I email his wife: do you know your husband is the product of incest? (hopefully not) And now that you know you have an obligation to tell your children when they are old enough. I doubt he told her. I cannot make myself think she already knows and would knowingly have children with him.
/wonder how long my message will sit in her FB other box before she sees it?


I can't believe he didn't pick different parents. What a sicko.
 
2013-02-21 10:29:15 AM  
Is she hot?
 
2013-02-21 10:37:17 AM  

Snarfangel: dee231: Ha! This thread is a bit timely for me! No I am not inbred..but I did (briefly) date someone who was in high school. I broke it off as soon as he told me: My grandfather is also my father and my mother is his daughter. 0_o His parents lived together and did look alike. He ended up stalking me like the psycho he was after I broke up with him. Fast forward to 2013. I'm bored on FB. So I search some old names of people I used to know including inbred ex. Turns out he's married with two kids. So I email his wife: do you know your husband is the product of incest? (hopefully not) And now that you know you have an obligation to tell your children when they are old enough. I doubt he told her. I cannot make myself think she already knows and would knowingly have children with him.
/wonder how long my message will sit in her FB other box before she sees it?

I can't believe he didn't pick different parents. What a sicko.


Well obviously you cannot control who your parents are but if you know your parents are father and daughter don't have kids yourself!
 
2013-02-21 10:43:44 AM  

postnobills: Darth_Lukecash: postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.

Roosevelt?

Nope.

If you do the research, this kind of thing is actually far more common than most of us would like to believe.  In the west it simply isn't talked about, but in some cultures second or even first cousins are considered the best candidates for marriage.  In my case, so far I've been pretty healthy but the genetic counselor did suggest that I shouldn't try to have kids myself.


Well, first cousins apparently have no genetic risk if they have kids, but yeah, if the counselor said don't have kids, don't. Adopt, it'll make your life happier. Mostly because you can adopt a kid old enough so you won't have to change diapers.

/I speak as someone who has had to change small-child diapers. That shiat is nasty.
 
Ant
2013-02-21 10:45:36 AM  
FTFA:This is a seminal question about the nature of assisted reproduction.

Ha! That's so punny!
 
2013-02-21 10:45:57 AM  

Oznog: ng2810: Why are there so many people calling this fake? It may be extremely bizarre and disturbing, yes, but it could happen!

I just discovered I have a brother who is around my age. Dad farked a hooker when he came to the US, and she became pregnant. Mom and Dad nearly broke up because of it, but they instead paid her to keep her trap shut and tried to keep him a secret. Once I became an adult and had access to our family financial records, I found out.

He is a sailor in the US Navy and frequents the same areas as me when in San Diego. My dad is a Navy veteran and I am at the Naval base all the time. We could have easily met up sometime before I found out he was my brother.

I also know of people who found long-lost siblings by meeting them at parties. It really isn't unusual for siblings raised apart and who have no knowledge of each other to become attracted to one another.

Wow... okay, I wasn't sure if I was ever going to tell anyone about this, but it's late and I'm sleep deprived so i guess I'll just write it now and regret it in the morning :(

First of all, - just for some background: My mom died right when I was born, (she was actually really, really hot- but this isn't about her. I guess that's farked-up up to say, but whatever.) I actually grew up with my dad's family, because my dad has all sorts of emotional issues and he bailed before I was born. So you can see, my childhood was really kind of messed up.

Anyways, growing up I feel like there was always a lot of distance between me and my sister. When I was about 17 or 18 I first noticed that my sister was a hottie.

I don't want to go into to many details about it, but basically what happened is that I accidentally found a video that she made of herself. I knew she didn't make it for me- but I thought she was so farking beautiful that I watched it twice. I probably would have watched it a hell of a lot more, except that like right around the time I found the video, all this crazy shiat went down an ...



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/brillant
/newsletter, etc, etc, etc...
 
2013-02-21 10:49:16 AM  

Town Called Bumpass: J. Frank Parnell: postnobills: My point is there are plenty of people out there with trees like that who aren't even royalty.

I'd say chances are every genetic line has had it happen several times, at least.

Would only become a serious problem if you do it for many consecutive generations, and even then it would be worked out after a few generations of breeding outside of your family. They breed horses within the same families all the time. The logic is supposedly that it amplifies any existing traits within family genetics, but it's kind of a crap shoot on whether what gets amplified are good traits or bad. If that applies the same to humans it wouldn't always mean bad things happen.

We do the same thing with dogs... Line breeding... But never to the same degree of relation as discussed in the article... They may share a "great grandpa" or similar. However, with dogs, I don't believe genetic information is transmitted 50/50 as it is with humans... I think the dam contributes more. Even if that isn't true, the dogs don't care... The boys aren't picky when a girl is in season. I wonder what the neighbors think when they hear from our property "Bennie! That's your sister! Leave her alone!"

/wishes humans had a breed warden program set up like dogs have
//that might eliminate the need for a Florida tag in a few generations though
/// I also breed slashies


My Roommate's Mom used to breed Persian Cats and go to cat shows (they had grand champions! BLECH) and apparently breeding brother to sister and parent to child was "okay".

There's a lot of genetic defects in show breeds because of those practices. An ex-BF's Step-Mom was obsessed with King Charles Cavalier Spaniels and would brag how one of their grandpas was a Westminster Show Winner (or something).

Those dogs were seriously broken, sad, neurotic, and always sick. They took it to Penn State's Vet hospital for all their health issues!

The only normal one was a rescue KCCS one that wasn't purebred and had some other spaniel in it. Only issue with that one was it went blind.

An ex-mormon friend of mine knew a first cousin couple from his mission days. Their kids all had weird health issues and muscular-skeletal deformities.
 
2013-02-21 10:49:40 AM  

zez: I'm pretty sure that she made up the article, but why couldn't it happen? More and more females are cutting out the middleman and going straight to the source and that source has vials all over the area.


Yeah.  Whether or not this letter is real I'm sure it's happened by now.  The only question is if the couple found out.

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: So they're half-siblings. As long as their mother's weren't related their kids would likely be fine (and they are - they have three).  The main concern would be if the father had some genetic disease or was a carrier of one as they would have an increased risk of having kids with the disease.

 It may seem gross, but they should just continue as they are if they're happy.


Note that he has already had a vasectomy.  If anything bad is going to come of it it already has.  At this point the only issue left is the ick factor.
 
2013-02-21 10:50:36 AM  

dee231: Ha! This thread is a bit timely for me! No I am not inbred..but I did (briefly) date someone who was in high school. I broke it off as soon as he told me: My grandfather is also my father and my mother is his daughter. 0_o His parents lived together and did look alike. He ended up stalking me like the psycho he was after I broke up with him. Fast forward to 2013. I'm bored on FB. So I search some old names of people I used to know including inbred ex. Turns out he's married with two kids. So I email his wife: do you know your husband is the product of incest? (hopefully not) And now that you know you have an obligation to tell your children when they are old enough. I doubt he told her. I cannot make myself think she already knows and would knowingly have children with him.
/wonder how long my message will sit in her FB other box before she sees it?


Minding your own farking business? Have you heard of that? You should try it. Get a life.
 
2013-02-21 11:33:08 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.

Roosevelt?


Do you have a Hapsburg chin?
 
2013-02-21 11:36:19 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: GreatGlavinsGhost: Best part of the "article" was the video of her appearance on Colbert.

They must rotate her videos because I got an entirely different one.  Would love to see her on Colbert's show!

I read Prudie to see what concerns rich, white, East Coast people have.


Here is the link that I saw. The guest was actually *not* this "Dear Prudence" character (whose real name is Emily), but another woman who works at Slate also named Emily.

Still funny though.
 
2013-02-21 11:36:58 AM  
Dear reader
Threesomes can indeed be fun but unless your husband is REALLY into it, maybe next time you could sub in another woman and see if she has the same effect.
 
2013-02-21 12:03:22 PM  

Oznog: ng2810: Why are there so many people calling this fake? It may be extremely bizarre and disturbing, yes, but it could happen!

I just discovered I have a brother who is around my age. Dad farked a hooker when he came to the US, and she became pregnant. Mom and Dad nearly broke up because of it, but they instead paid her to keep her trap shut and tried to keep him a secret. Once I became an adult and had access to our family financial records, I found out.

He is a sailor in the US Navy and frequents the same areas as me when in San Diego. My dad is a Navy veteran and I am at the Naval base all the time. We could have easily met up sometime before I found out he was my brother.

I also know of people who found long-lost siblings by meeting them at parties. It really isn't unusual for siblings raised apart and who have no knowledge of each other to become attracted to one another.

Wow... okay, I wasn't sure if I was ever going to tell anyone about this, but it's late and I'm sleep deprived so i guess I'll just write it now and regret it in the morning :(

First of all, - just for some background: My mom died right when I was born, (she was actually really, really hot- but this isn't about her. I guess that's farked-up up to say, but whatever.) I actually grew up with my dad's family, because my dad has all sorts of emotional issues and he bailed before I was born. So you can see, my childhood was really kind of messed up.

Anyways, growing up I feel like there was always a lot of distance between me and my sister. When I was about 17 or 18 I first noticed that my sister was a hottie.

I don't want to go into to many details about it, but basically what happened is that I accidentally found a video that she made of herself. I knew she didn't make it for me- but I thought she was so farking beautiful that I watched it twice. I probably would have watched it a hell of a lot more, except that like right around the time I found the video, all this crazy shiat went down an ...


(Yub-nub ensues)

I have to wonder how long you've been holding onto that to use it so effectively.
 
2013-02-21 12:10:15 PM  
Scotty doesn't know.  Worst twins ever.  crackedajester.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-21 12:40:42 PM  

nubzers: 100 Watt Walrus: Uchiha_Cycliste: Oznog: But even after she was shacking up with my friend, there was one time we were at a party... my friend was inside, and my sister and I were outside alone. It was a really intimate moment. I think something might have happened, except that I killed the mood when I told her that Darth Vader was our father and that I had to go face him.

Well played!
Can't go wrong with the classics

Should have ended with a /not mine or something though. That yarn, awesome as it is, is at least 2 years old. (Link to apparently original source.)

No, that was copypasta from 4chan in like 2005, probably even before then and probably from someplace completely else. There was a phase on 4chan of trying to disguise well known movie/game plots as someone's "own story". I think the best one I have seen was actually a 6 page story that turned out to be the lyrics of Mr. Brightside. That, my friends, was a pretty awesome one. Reddit has no original material, its all copied from other places.

/A lot like fark.


And of course Google Answers trollz.
 
2013-02-21 12:43:40 PM  
nilestylepolitics.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-21 02:09:53 PM  

shortymac: Town Called Bumpass: J. Frank Parnell: postnobills: My point is there are plenty of people out there with trees like that who aren't even royalty.

I'd say chances are every genetic line has had it happen several times, at least.

Would only become a serious problem if you do it for many consecutive generations, and even then it would be worked out after a few generations of breeding outside of your family. They breed horses within the same families all the time. The logic is supposedly that it amplifies any existing traits within family genetics, but it's kind of a crap shoot on whether what gets amplified are good traits or bad. If that applies the same to humans it wouldn't always mean bad things happen.

We do the same thing with dogs... Line breeding... But never to the same degree of relation as discussed in the article... They may share a "great grandpa" or similar. However, with dogs, I don't believe genetic information is transmitted 50/50 as it is with humans... I think the dam contributes more. Even if that isn't true, the dogs don't care... The boys aren't picky when a girl is in season. I wonder what the neighbors think when they hear from our property "Bennie! That's your sister! Leave her alone!"

/wishes humans had a breed warden program set up like dogs have
//that might eliminate the need for a Florida tag in a few generations though
/// I also breed slashies

My Roommate's Mom used to breed Persian Cats and go to cat shows (they had grand champions! BLECH) and apparently breeding brother to sister and parent to child was "okay".

There's a lot of genetic defects in show breeds because of those practices. An ex-BF's Step-Mom was obsessed with King Charles Cavalier Spaniels and would brag how one of their grandpas was a Westminster Show Winner (or something).

Those dogs were seriously broken, sad, neurotic, and always sick. They took it to Penn State's Vet hospital for all their health issues!

The only normal one was a rescue KCCS one that wasn't purebred and had some other spaniel in it. Only issue with that one was it went blind.

An ex-mormon friend of mine knew a first cousin couple from his mission days. Their kids all had weird health issues and muscular-skeletal deformities.


Just as I was not serious in implementing a breed warden program for people or eliminating the Florida tag, I'm sure that you did not mean to imply that because you had experiences with cat people and irresponsible breeders that show in conformation that it is wrong, or more specifically that I or my family fall into either of those catagories.

In the last 3 years, we made exactly 4 dogs. We did the medical and genetic testing on both the sire and dam above and beyond what is acceptable and customary for our breed. Had there been a poor or failed result, we wouldn't have bred those animals. In this case, neither of these dogs were related except very, very far back since the bloodlines came from 2 different continents.

While it is unfortunate that the breeder you know had genetic difficulties in her line, you didn't mention what she did with the puppies. Considering she spent the money and effort to go to Cornell indicates a level of awareness and caring that you may not have been aware of. Cornell is among (if not) the best, and if there was anything wrong with my show dog and my vet (graduated out of Cornell) thinks it will help, that's where I will be the next day. Did she keep the dogs? Did she adopt them out with disclosure about their disease on a spay/neuter contract? Many years ago, we had a litter that included a dwarf (little dog?). Seriously, a full on Little Dog Big Kennel dwarf. She stayed with us. When people came to visit the puppies, EVERYONE wanted her. A couple people wanted to make Miniatures of my breed and breed her! Well, those people did not get any puppy, and Fancy lived out her days with us. We made her, we were responsible for her.

My point is twofold. First, there are bad breeders. Some are worse than others. Some are downright hideous. People that complain about breeders rarely follow up with "there are good breeders! Here is a story demonstrating how wonderful they are using superlatives as I did when I was telling my horror story!"

Second, if you outlaw breeding kennels, only people that have no interest in "following the rules" will make more dogs. This leaves only "rescue dogs" or backyard breedings. I don't want that. Many people want a healthy dog with predictible traits, attributes and functions. It is a preference, like mac or windows or linux. You get what you want for what you want to do. Don't stigmatize or outlaw my choice because of other morons.

So now, next time someone talks about dog breeders or dog show people or purebred dogs,you can tell them about those kccs people and follow up with "they aren't all like that though. I know a girl with a kennel and man, her dogs live better than some people I know." Follow up with Googling "breed warden" and "line breeding". Go to a dog show sometime and talk to the owners if they have a minute. If they are halfway decent they will find the time.

/ I make damn fine German Shepherd Dogs
// Threadjack over
/// apparently I also breed slashies
 
2013-02-21 02:21:54 PM  

postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.


One of my sets of great grandparents were uncle and niece. The scientific/biological problems with incest are all about the probability of reinforcing bad recessives. It's a bad plan to inbreed over the course of generations, but in this and your and my cases, if nothing bad happened then the objections are all of the cultural taboo/icky sort.

/it is icky to marry your niece
//I'm pretty sure it was icky in the late 19th century too
 
2013-02-21 03:26:31 PM  

Town Called Bumpass: shortymac: Town Called Bumpass: J. Frank Parnell: postnobills: My point is there are plenty of people out there with trees like that who aren't even royalty.

I'd say chances are every genetic line has had it happen several times, at least.

Would only become a serious problem if you do it for many consecutive generations, and even then it would be worked out after a few generations of breeding outside of your family. They breed horses within the same families all the time. The logic is supposedly that it amplifies any existing traits within family genetics, but it's kind of a crap shoot on whether what gets amplified are good traits or bad. If that applies the same to humans it wouldn't always mean bad things happen.

We do the same thing with dogs... Line breeding... But never to the same degree of relation as discussed in the article... They may share a "great grandpa" or similar. However, with dogs, I don't believe genetic information is transmitted 50/50 as it is with humans... I think the dam contributes more. Even if that isn't true, the dogs don't care... The boys aren't picky when a girl is in season. I wonder what the neighbors think when they hear from our property "Bennie! That's your sister! Leave her alone!"

/wishes humans had a breed warden program set up like dogs have
//that might eliminate the need for a Florida tag in a few generations though
/// I also breed slashies

My Roommate's Mom used to breed Persian Cats and go to cat shows (they had grand champions! BLECH) and apparently breeding brother to sister and parent to child was "okay".

There's a lot of genetic defects in show breeds because of those practices. An ex-BF's Step-Mom was obsessed with King Charles Cavalier Spaniels and would brag how one of their grandpas was a Westminster Show Winner (or something).

Those dogs were seriously broken, sad, neurotic, and always sick. They took it to Penn State's Vet hospital for all their health issues!

The only normal one was a rescue KCCS one t ...


I know there are good breeders out there (like yourself) and I think DNA testing is going to help improve breeds in the long term, my issue is with the industry as a whole, especially with the standard setters.

The breed standards aren't going enough to prevent this sort of behavior and sometimes encourage the breeding of unhealthy traits such as Brachycephalic heads and "miniaturizing" breeds. Why aren't incestuous breeding practices banded from showing?

There's lots of money to be made on the show circuit and I think it's a reason why the standards setters turn a blind eye to it.

Roommate's mom got out of the show business a while back and sold her whole cattery, part of the reason was her whole cattery had some sort of defective genes. They had about 30 cats total I think. I have no idea if those cats are breeding or not.

Ex-bf's Step-Mom wasn't a breeder, just little obsessed with the KCCS breed (had it plastered everywhere in their house, it was a little odd) and bought the 2 neurotic dogs from a breeder. She never had kids so the dogs became her "kids". One had food anxiety and had to be fed in a cage, they shook all the time (which I now think is a disease the breed has because their skulls are too small for their brains), it was very very sad to watch.

Breeds have their place, but when I get a dog though I'm going to the Humane Society.

/4 awesome mutt kitties now
 
2013-02-21 03:33:08 PM  

BoothbyTCD: postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.

One of my sets of great grandparents were uncle and niece. The scientific/biological problems with incest are all about the probability of reinforcing bad recessives. It's a bad plan to inbreed over the course of generations, but in this and your and my cases, if nothing bad happened then the objections are all of the cultural taboo/icky sort.

/it is icky to marry your niece
//I'm pretty sure it was icky in the late 19th century too


Very icky, not only because of inbreeding but age difference and the power dynamics at play.

The Spanish Hapsburgs did it a lot and the last Hasburg was more inbred then the product of a brother-sister pairing.
 
2013-02-21 03:48:20 PM  
This story might not be completely true, but it's a scary thought. When I was 8 or 9 my parents were divorced and my father ended up marrying my mothers cousin, they had two boys I never met. I always had this weird thought that I would meet one of them not knowing who they were and, well you know the rest. It never happened but having two half-brothers who were also my cousins was just really weird. And no, we aren't from 'Kentucky'.
 
2013-02-21 03:50:11 PM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: it appears it just wasn't that big a deal until recently


It wasn't. It still shouldn't be. The whole "don't marry cousins" thing is based on pre-genetics theories of eugenics. The fact that we not only shame people for marrying their cousins, but actually outlaw it in many states, is a great example of how a charismatic speaker can get the population to do ridiculous, oppressive things that stick around for generations.
 
2013-02-21 04:03:34 PM  

shortymac: BoothbyTCD: postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.

One of my sets of great grandparents were uncle and niece. The scientific/biological problems with incest are all about the probability of reinforcing bad recessives. It's a bad plan to inbreed over the course of generations, but in this and your and my cases, if nothing bad happened then the objections are all of the cultural taboo/icky sort.

/it is icky to marry your niece
//I'm pretty sure it was icky in the late 19th century too

Very icky, not only because of inbreeding but age difference and the power dynamics at play.

The Spanish Hapsburgs did it a lot and the last Hasburg was more inbred then the product of a brother-sister pairing.


Yeah, not sure what was going on there, though he was one of the younger of like 13 and the niece was the daughter of a much older brother, so they weren't all that far off in age. And they were married for like 70 years, so I guess it all worked out.
 
2013-02-21 04:34:46 PM  

profplump: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: it appears it just wasn't that big a deal until recently

It wasn't. It still shouldn't be. The whole "don't marry cousins" thing is based on pre-genetics theories of eugenics. The fact that we not only shame people for marrying their cousins, but actually outlaw it in many states, is a great example of how a charismatic speaker can get the population to do ridiculous, oppressive things that stick around for generations.


The issue isn't a one-off cousin pairing, it's that when it's allowed it CAN lead to Hapsburg family-like situations. Especially in rural settings.

Apparently it's very bad in Afganistan, they prefer cousin marriages to keep land and money in the family, but due to poverty and no one keeping records you're getting family bushes instead of family trees, which is causing defects.
 
2013-02-21 04:35:44 PM  

Oznog: ng2810: Why are there so many people calling this fake? It may be extremely bizarre and disturbing, yes, but it could happen!

I just discovered I have a brother who is around my age. Dad farked a hooker when he came to the US, and she became pregnant. Mom and Dad nearly broke up because of it, but they instead paid her to keep her trap shut and tried to keep him a secret. Once I became an adult and had access to our family financial records, I found out.

He is a sailor in the US Navy and frequents the same areas as me when in San Diego. My dad is a Navy veteran and I am at the Naval base all the time. We could have easily met up sometime before I found out he was my brother.

I also know of people who found long-lost siblings by meeting them at parties. It really isn't unusual for siblings raised apart and who have no knowledge of each other to become attracted to one another.

Wow... okay, I wasn't sure if I was ever going to tell anyone about this, but it's late and I'm sleep deprived so i guess I'll just write it now and regret it in the morning :(

First of all, - just for some background: My mom died right when I was born, (she was actually really, really hot- but this isn't about her. I guess that's farked-up up to say, but whatever.) I actually grew up with my dad's family, because my dad has all sorts of emotional issues and he bailed before I was born. So you can see, my childhood was really kind of messed up.

Anyways, growing up I feel like there was always a lot of distance between me and my sister. When I was about 17 or 18 I first noticed that my sister was a hottie.

I don't want to go into to many details about it, but basically what happened is that I accidentally found a video that she made of herself. I knew she didn't make it for me- but I thought she was so farking beautiful that I watched it twice. I probably would have watched it a hell of a lot more, except that like right around the time I found the video, all this crazy shiat went down an ...


...wait, wait.  You didn't even meet your sister until you saw that video...and you didn't even know she was your sister until after your father told you you had one...after he told you he was your father.

I CALL SHENANIGANS!
 
2013-02-21 04:44:47 PM  

BoothbyTCD: shortymac: BoothbyTCD: postnobills: Meh.  My parents are related - not quite this closely but close enough to have the same last name.  The extended family considered each of them unmarriageable so why not kill two birds with one stone and marry them off to each other?  The only condition was they weren't supposed to have kids.

Oops.

One of my sets of great grandparents were uncle and niece. The scientific/biological problems with incest are all about the probability of reinforcing bad recessives. It's a bad plan to inbreed over the course of generations, but in this and your and my cases, if nothing bad happened then the objections are all of the cultural taboo/icky sort.

/it is icky to marry your niece
//I'm pretty sure it was icky in the late 19th century too

Very icky, not only because of inbreeding but age difference and the power dynamics at play.

The Spanish Hapsburgs did it a lot and the last Hasburg was more inbred then the product of a brother-sister pairing.

Yeah, not sure what was going on there, though he was one of the younger of like 13 and the niece was the daughter of a much older brother, so they weren't all that far off in age. And they were married for like 70 years, so I guess it all worked out.


Ah sounds like my Mom's family then.

My great-grandma had her last kid (boy) when her oldest was having her first (girl). They went to school together, no believed that he was her Uncle, and they had a more cousin-like relationship (which may be why your relatives got married).

My Mom has double-cousins (Parent's siblings married each other), they're as close to them as siblings. Funny thing is they don't look alike at all even though they're practically siblings genetically.
 
2013-02-21 04:49:45 PM  

Oznog: ng2810: Why are there so many people calling this fake? It may be extremely bizarre and disturbing, yes, but it could happen!

I just discovered I have a brother who is around my age. Dad farked a hooker when he came to the US, and she became pregnant. Mom and Dad nearly broke up because of it, but they instead paid her to keep her trap shut and tried to keep him a secret. Once I became an adult and had access to our family financial records, I found out.

He is a sailor in the US Navy and frequents the same areas as me when in San Diego. My dad is a Navy veteran and I am at the Naval base all the time. We could have easily met up sometime before I found out he was my brother.

I also know of people who found long-lost siblings by meeting them at parties. It really isn't unusual for siblings raised apart and who have no knowledge of each other to become attracted to one another.

Wow... okay, I wasn't sure if I was ever going to tell anyone about this, but it's late and I'm sleep deprived so i guess I'll just write it now and regret it in the morning :(

First of all, - just for some background: My mom died right when I was born, (she was actually really, really hot- but this isn't about her. I guess that's farked-up up to say, but whatever.) I actually grew up with my dad's family, because my dad has all sorts of emotional issues and he bailed before I was born. So you can see, my childhood was really kind of messed up.

Anyways, growing up I feel like there was always a lot of distance between me and my sister. When I was about 17 or 18 I first noticed that my sister was a hottie.

I don't want to go into to many details about it, but basically what happened is that I accidentally found a video that she made of herself. I knew she didn't make it for me- but I thought she was so farking beautiful that I watched it twice. I probably would have watched it a hell of a lot more, except that like right around the time I found the video, all this crazy shiat went down an ...


this is awesome. You are definitely one of the greats. Nice tag BTW. backwards "Gonzo".
 
jvl
2013-02-21 04:53:23 PM  
Two people born from sperm donors in the same metro area got married without verifying they weren't related?  With that level of stupid, I have to ask, were they already inbred before getting married?
 
2013-02-21 05:06:09 PM  
This sounds like the makings of a porn flick....
 
2013-02-21 05:33:01 PM  

dee231: Ha! This thread is a bit timely for me! No I am not inbred..but I did (briefly) date someone who was in high school. I broke it off as soon as he told me: My grandfather is also my father and my mother is his daughter. 0_o His parents lived together and did look alike. He ended up stalking me like the psycho he was after I broke up with him. Fast forward to 2013. I'm bored on FB. So I search some old names of people I used to know including inbred ex. Turns out he's married with two kids. So I email his wife: do you know your husband is the product of incest? (hopefully not) And now that you know you have an obligation to tell your children when they are old enough. I doubt he told her. I cannot make myself think she already knows and would knowingly have children with him.
/wonder how long my message will sit in her FB other box before she sees it?


i950.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-21 05:40:55 PM  
This is a seminal question about the nature of assisted reproduction.

Really? You really needed to go there, Prudence?
 
2013-02-21 06:23:12 PM  

lordargent: Was the doner a Beatle?


upload.wikimedia.org

Tasted more like horse to me.
 
2013-02-21 06:57:00 PM  

TwistedFark: First cousins are actually fine to marry, the "increased genetic risk" amounts to 1.7% to 2%. As you mentioned, many other cultures first cousins marry quite frequently, in fact in some of them they account for 50% of all marriages. Just do the math - if it was actually genetically "bad" for first cousins to marry, the populations in these countries wouldn't be able to sustain themselves.

Unless your ma and pa are brother and sister you have nothing to worry about and it's highly unlikely that their genetic closeness outside of that appreciably increased your odds of any sort of genetic defects, if you have a genetic disorder like sickle cell anemia, then playing the odds it's pretty likely you were going to have it anyway.


The first generation, the odds of causing birth defects is actually lower than the risks from having a baby in your late 30's.  The odds with cousins gets worse each generation though, and are significantly worse if your family has a serious recessive genetic weakness.  That said, with modern DNA tests, from a genetic standpoint at least, blood tests for dangerous recessive genes are probably more important than not hooking up with cousins (or even siblings).  From a psychological or sociological perspective, hooking up with close relatives is probably not such a good idea.
 
2013-02-21 07:13:05 PM  

shortymac: Town Called Bumpass: shortymac: Town Called Bumpass: J. Frank Parnell: postnobills: My point is there are plenty of people out there with trees like that who aren't even royalty.

I'd say chances are every genetic line has had it happen several times, at least.

Would only become a serious problem if you do it for many consecutive generations, and even then it would be worked out after a few generations of breeding outside of your family. They breed horses within the same families all the time. The logic is supposedly that it amplifies any existing traits within family genetics, but it's kind of a crap shoot on whether what gets amplified are good traits or bad. If that applies the same to humans it wouldn't always mean bad things happen.

We do the same thing with dogs... Line breeding... But never to the same degree of relation as discussed in the article... They may share a "great grandpa" or similar. However, with dogs, I don't believe genetic information is transmitted 50/50 as it is with humans... I think the dam contributes more. Even if that isn't true, the dogs don't care... The boys aren't picky when a girl is in season. I wonder what the neighbors think when they hear from our property "Bennie! That's your sister! Leave her alone!"

/wishes humans had a breed warden program set up like dogs have
//that might eliminate the need for a Florida tag in a few generations though
/// I also breed slashies

My Roommate's Mom used to breed Persian Cats and go to cat shows (they had grand champions! BLECH) and apparently breeding brother to sister and parent to child was "okay".

There's a lot of genetic defects in show breeds because of those practices. An ex-BF's Step-Mom was obsessed with King Charles Cavalier Spaniels and would brag how one of their grandpas was a Westminster Show Winner (or something).

Those dogs were seriously broken, sad, neurotic, and always sick. They took it to Penn State's Vet hospital for all their health issues!

The only normal one was a rescue KCCS one t ...

I know there are good breeders out there (like yourself) and I think DNA testing is going to help improve breeds in the long term, my issue is with the industry as a whole, especially with the standard setters.

The breed standards aren't going enough to prevent this sort of behavior and sometimes encourage the breeding of unhealthy traits such as Brachycephalic heads and "miniaturizing" breeds. Why aren't incestuous breeding practices banded from showing?

There's lots of money to be made on the show circuit and I think it's a reason why the standards setters turn a blind eye to it.

Roommate's mom got out of the show business a while back and sold her whole cattery, part of the reason was her whole cattery had some sort of defective genes. They had about 30 cats total I think. I have no idea if those cats are breeding or not.

Ex-bf's Step-Mom wasn't a breeder, just little obsessed with the KCCS breed (had it plastered everywhere in their house, it was a little odd) and bought the 2 neurotic dogs from a breeder. She never had kids so the dogs became her "kids". One had food anxiety and had to be fed in a cage, they shook all the time (which I now think is a disease the breed has because their skulls are too small for their brains), it was very very sad to watch.

Breeds have their place, but when I get a dog though I'm going to the Humane Society.

/4 awesome mutt kitties now


Why do people think there is a lot of money in show dogs? There isn't any... In any of it... Not the breeders, not the kennel clubs, not vets...so I wish someone would tell me and the other folks at the shows where this money is. There is no cash prize that comes even close to my outlay in this. The idea is that you display examples of your breeding stock. The titles become like your street cred. If have a champion that means a consensus of mostly impartial judges agree that the dog fits the standard of the breed and is the best example of the breed over many shows against many other dogs. I then would breed that dog to another dog based on many, many factors and mitigate as much risk as I can hope I get something as nice or nicer than what I started with. If it didn't turn out like I planned and the dog isn't suffering or has some hideous and heartbreaking health problem (which I tested against more than most people do before they breed their little human puppies) I sell the puppy at a price that reflects its quality and require the dog be spayed or neutered. This is standard. I am not an exception. There are many more like me than people that aren't.

As for the "inbreeding" I'm not sure who would do that. First, the male only contributes about 30% of the genetic material involved (give or take). This is for several biological reasons that are to dense to get into here. This is why you could theoretically breed father to daughter and still have enough genetic material to prevent Deliverance puppies. If you have done the clearances for genetic diseases and the combinations work out (think high school biology class Mendellian genetics) then there isn't a problem. The nice thing about purebred dogs is I know where they come from... so if the four generation pedigree has too much copy paste in it I would ask why before I bred to it, or bought that dog. There are lots of reasons why this may be the case, good and bad. Again, this is not the exception by a long shot.

This gets me a little worked up because as riled as people get about the horror stories, that is how riled I am about misrepresentation of my way of life. Horror at the sport of purebred dogs is easy to get outraged about. Show a few pictures of dogs in cages, assign human feelings and circumstances to animals, make sweeping generalizations and ta-da outrage! It would be like showing an episode of hoarders and saying "This is how people in America live." True... But also not true at the same time. Uninformed and ridiculous ideas about this topic are trying to legislate against my way of life. The people that do what I do will never be as loud or compelling as a commercial with Sarah McLachlan, but that's because we are to busy taking care of our dogs. Sigh.
 
2013-02-21 08:42:06 PM  

dee231: Ha! This thread is a bit timely for me! No I am not inbred..but I did (briefly) date someone who was in high school. I broke it off as soon as he told me: My grandfather is also my father and my mother is his daughter. 0_o His parents lived together and did look alike. He ended up stalking me like the psycho he was after I broke up with him. Fast forward to 2013. I'm bored on FB. So I search some old names of people I used to know including inbred ex. Turns out he's married with two kids. So I email his wife: do you know your husband is the product of incest? (hopefully not) And now that you know you have an obligation to tell your children when they are old enough. I doubt he told her. I cannot make myself think she already knows and would knowingly have children with him.
/wonder how long my message will sit in her FB other box before she sees it?


Yikes. I'm hoping this post is fake. Going out of your way to ruin some poor guy's life just because you think he's defective and should live a certain way is nothing to brag about. Maybe try minding your own business next time?
 
2013-02-21 11:39:32 PM  
You already did the damage by having kids, Casanova.
 
2013-02-22 04:08:55 PM  
GreenAdder: Do you mean after you've run around in circles screaming for an hour?

THIS.
 
2013-02-23 10:44:30 PM  

dee231: Turns out he's married with two kids. So I email his wife: do you know your husband is the product of incest?


I really hope that's not true and that you're just a dumb troll.  Otherwise, why would you do that?
That's very mean and completely none of your business.  Especially since...

dee231: if you know your parents are father and daughter don't have kids yourself!


Genetics does not work that way!
i.cr3ation.co.uk

The danger of incest comes only when the two people having kids are related.  They have a greater chance of passing on harmful recessive genes or exacerbating the effects of genes they're already expressing because their partners are much more likely to contribute those exact same genes.  But if someone who is a product of incest has kids with someone who is unrelated to them, they have no more chance to pass on harmful or abnormal genes than any other member of the general population, because their partner is unlikely to be passing on the same genes as they are.  If YOU are a product of incest it has no impact on your ability to have healthy children with someone who is unrelated to you!
 
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