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(WTOP)   Got a speeding ticket from a speed camera? Here's why you should always show up for court (and plead guilty)   (wtop.com) divider line 16
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2013-02-20 11:37:52 PM  
12 votes:
And just cause I love this picture so much:

In Germany they need both the license plate and a picture of the driver to give an automated ticket. The computer automatically blurs out the passengers as a privacy matter. Some genius has a British Audi in Germany and thus the driver gets blurred out instead of the passenger. So the German police got a bunch of picture like the following:

cache.gizmodo.com

Story on Gizmodo
2013-02-20 09:40:22 PM  
6 votes:
There are better ways to challenge speed cameras:

www.thenewspaper.com
2013-02-20 11:28:38 PM  
3 votes:

Shadow Blasko: 30 seconds and a gas powered angle grinder, but (and get this) these units allegedly have vibration detectors which start video and audio recording (transmitted wirelessly), and send out a distress call if the levels are breached.


The ones here have smoke detectors and heat detectors.  Some of the ones in the UK now stream a video feed of the other cameras back someplace else because they get broken so often.

If you don't like speed cameras, remind your local homeless population that there are often $6,000 cameras in them.
2013-02-21 12:18:38 AM  
2 votes:
Speed cameras free up LEOs for nore important things like tasering epilepsy victims and shooting family pets.
2013-02-21 09:03:57 AM  
1 votes:

ReapTheChaos: I once got a speeding ticket that wasn't even mine. Cop pulled me over and said he clocked me 5 miles back going 30 over the limit, only problem was I had just turned onto that road about a half a mile back. He didn't believe me and neither did the judge when I went to court. I even had a witness testify that I was at their house and the only way from there to where I was stopped was the road I told them I had turned off of.

Moral of the story, you don't get out of a speeding ticket. The whole system is fixed.


A friend of mine once argued in court that because the officer with the radar gun was pointed toward oncoming traffic instead of perpendicular to it... get this... the Doppler effect made it seem like he was going faster than he really was.  He brought in a big hand-drawn visual aid, complete with train and bunchy sound waves.  Dumbass cop couldn't rebut the argument, and the judge bought it and let him off.  I couldn't farking believe it.
2013-02-21 07:41:20 AM  
1 votes:

biyaaatci: That was really awesome.


Well the part about the BJ was pretty cool.
2013-02-21 02:16:32 AM  
1 votes:
When am given the position of Exalted Leader and Grand Poobah, every municipal leader that ever approved a traffic light camera or speeding camera will be drug from their homes and their lifeless bodies will be left hanging from the devices as a reminder to any that would follow.

Totally serious. You can tell I mean it because I said 'totally'.

Hoisted by their own retard!
2013-02-21 12:41:55 AM  
1 votes:
So, shut the f*ck up, say you did it, give us money faster and you get a discount because f*ck "traffic safety" and laws and actual, useful court proceedings.  Why don't they just put up a f*cking tool booth at random with a gate and a basket to throw the money in while a dog sniffs your trunk?
2013-02-21 12:38:59 AM  
1 votes:
Subpoena the camera, the software and the software engineer. Sixth Amendment. Police have nothing to do with this and anything they contribute is hearsay.
2013-02-21 12:29:24 AM  
1 votes:
Photo enforcement is unconstitutional. Don't wimp out just because you value being able to do other things with your life than fight that battle.
2013-02-21 12:16:42 AM  
1 votes:

snuff3r: Governments spend a LOT of money ensuring a super low error rate for speed cameras


Have to spend money to make money.
2013-02-20 11:20:33 PM  
1 votes:

snuff3r: Here's a far easier way to avoid the ticket and time you've wasted of the court system: Don't farking speed, and if you do and get caught out, cop it on the chin and stfu.


Or let's get real about the speed limits. Go five mph below the limit so that when your car accidentally goes a little faster you are still under the limit.

People assume that if the limit is 40 you should drive 40. That's just not true. The absolute limit is 40, you should drive at 35 and if you go down a hill and it creeps up to 39 you're still safe.
2013-02-20 10:56:25 PM  
1 votes:

L.D. Ablo: Shadow Blasko: L.D. Ablo: There are better ways to challenge speed cameras:

[www.thenewspaper.com image 190x145]

Good luck getting to Elmwood's. They bought the best.

[media2.wcpo.com image 320x240]

Give me five minutes and a Sawzall.


30 seconds and a gas powered angle grinder, but (and get this) these units allegedly have vibration detectors which start video and audio recording (transmitted wirelessly), and send out a distress call if the levels are breached.

I dunno if I believe that, but I would not put it past them.
2013-02-20 10:01:26 PM  
1 votes:

Shadow Blasko: L.D. Ablo: There are better ways to challenge speed cameras:

[www.thenewspaper.com image 190x145]

Good luck getting to Elmwood's. They bought the best.

[media2.wcpo.com image 320x240]


Use a lasso?  Fill water balloons with paint & chuck 'em?  Train a monkey to disable 'em?  Chain saw?

I've got it!  Hook it up to your truck and just drive away with it.
2013-02-20 09:28:19 PM  
1 votes:

snuff3r: Here's a far easier way to avoid the ticket and time you've wasted of the court system: Don't farking speed, and if you do and get caught out, cop it on the chin and stfu.


Yeah... no.

The City of Elmwood in Cincinnati has cameras that were issuing "Pay to argue this" citations for 27 in a 25.

In a commercial district. Not a residential area.

A bankrupt little cesspool netted 1.5 MILLION in $200 automated fines in 6 months.

Oh, and they may have had a little problem with database corruption as well.

http://www.wlwt.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/Hundreds-of-spee di ng-tickets-thrown-out-in-Elmwood-Place/-/13550662/17758452/-/hiihfdz/- /index.html

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130109/NEWS01/301090172/Speed-c am era-take-1-5-million

No non-corrupt cop is going to pull you over for 27 in a 25 unless you're begging for it. The system was not designed for "yes you were speeding, no you were not" binary enforcement. Taking the humans out of the loop has made it crazy.
2013-02-20 09:21:48 PM  
1 votes:
TFA: "The trial is weighted against you. If the police officer says it's calibrated properly, then that's enough preponderance of the evidence for the judge. He didn't show me any evidence it was calibrated correctly," says Williams."

No, the countless certification and testing procedures are weighted against you. Governments spend a LOT of money ensuring a super low error rate for speed cameras and they're tested regularly for compliance. The judge knows this. Unless you have evidence otherwise you're not going to win your case. If you were serious about thinking you had a chance to beat the ticket on these grounds then you would have done your research and put in a GIPA/FOI request for test/compliance data on the camera in question.

Here's a far easier way to avoid the ticket and time you've wasted of the court system: Don't farking speed, and if you do and get caught out, cop it on the chin and stfu.
 
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