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2013-02-21 06:51:51 AM

doglover: Killing your attacker, or at least attempting to do so earnestly, adds a hundredweight of credibility to any claims you may have. It might even save your life.


Thank you, Jodi Arias. No further questions, Your Honor.
 
2013-02-21 06:52:17 AM

TheOmni: This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists. And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.


not in florida

/stand your ground state
 
2013-02-21 06:53:14 AM

Serious question:  How many documented instances are there of a gun carried outside the home preventing a rape?


I mean, they've already told us that wearing frumpy clothing is a valid form of defense, when the actual data proves otherwise, so I'm wondering what the actual data says about carrying a gun.

 
2013-02-21 06:55:25 AM

Fast Moon: Serious question:  How many documented instances are there of a gun carried outside the home preventing a rape?
I mean, they've already told us that wearing frumpy clothing is a valid form of defense, when the actual data proves otherwise, so I'm wondering what the actual data says about carrying a gun.


25.media.tumblr.com
"Would YOU rape this woman? Statistics say NO!"
 
2013-02-21 06:57:32 AM
 
2013-02-21 06:59:38 AM

basemetal: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x317]

Pray that I don't strike a lighter too.


I want that spray wand on a can. My house is tall enough on the front that it is hard to get the wasp nests that accumulate every year there unless the winds are dead calm.

No problem with women defending themselves against rape, that's what concealed carry permit classes and permits are for. Mace is not an appropriate deterrent for rape and never has been. You should check them out, you would be surprised how many women are involved in the gun scene. Don't want to be a victim? Than don't be one.
 
2013-02-21 07:00:11 AM

Fast Moon: How many documented instances are there of a gun carried outside the home preventing a rape?


Why do prevented rapes have to be documented?

Reported rapes are just the tip of the iceberg. Don't you know that for every rape survivor who bravely re-victimized herself by reporting her assault to the police, ten million go unreported? With 80,000 forcible rapes reported in 2009, that's almost 800,000,000,000 rapes a year the rape culture generates.
 
2013-02-21 07:01:26 AM
If she was raped, why didn't she try to defend herself?

Said rape culture.
/just for those doubting its existence
 
2013-02-21 07:02:10 AM

doglover: Frank N Stein: jaylectricity: Why couldn't she have strangled him in his post-coitus nap?

Because an event that last only 30 seconds is not just cause for murder.

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You also won't know if the guy trying to rape you is just after some sex or BTK until after you're tied up with the curtain strings and being vivisected. Best not to take chances.


bonus points for using vivisected

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2013-02-21 07:02:39 AM

doglover: that's almost 800,000,000,000 rapes a year the rape culture generates.


And most of them upon on Australian man.

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2013-02-21 07:08:37 AM
Women!  If there is a penis inside of you, just shoot the man attached to the penis.  If it is a legitimate rape, the weapon will fire.  Guns have a way of misfiring if the rape isn't legitimate.
 
2013-02-21 07:08:45 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: C18H27NO3: I think a woman should be able to defend herself from rape by any means necessary.

Even knocking over a child so the attacker gets the kid first? You're a farking monster.


www.cleverdonkey.com
 
2013-02-21 07:10:01 AM

Amos Quito: Donnchadha: Amos Quito: WASP spray?

That's racist.

Coming from you, that's hilarious


I'm one of the funniest guys on Fark.

Ask anyone.


That's the buzz, anyway.
 
2013-02-21 07:11:06 AM
Why are they leaving the castle in the first place? Y'all need to get a hold of your females.
 
2013-02-21 07:11:20 AM
Well, I read the article and came in here to say something relevant, but after reading my way down the thread: I can't for the life of me remember what the fark I was going to say.

/Thanks. I'm dizzy now. And dumber.
//Now I have to go read The Elegant Universe for half an hour to prevent permanent brain cell death.
///Stop grinning.
 
2013-02-21 07:11:58 AM
What happend to pissing your pants and throwing up? Thats doesnt work now?
 
2013-02-21 07:12:02 AM
Wait. What is this "Rape Culture" that's being bandied about so often here?
 
2013-02-21 07:12:47 AM

HAMMERTOE: Wait. What is this "Rape Culture" that's being bandied about so often here?


Could be one of them fancy yogurts. Like the one with the arrows and the pooping.
 
2013-02-21 07:12:55 AM

jaylectricity: zedster: number of gang bangers

Wait...are we talking about murder or rape?


files.myfrogbag.com

What about arson? And rape?
 
2013-02-21 07:14:57 AM

way south: Officials at the St. Louis County Police Department responded to the story saying it's better to use items for their intended purpose and added it's against federal law to use wasp spray for purposes other than what's listed on the can.

...And here I am, agreeing with the cops.
The mornings off to a weird start.

You are always responsible for your actions, and your attacker is responsible for his.
If he forces you to fight for your life, fark him and the horse he rode in on. Show him the consequences of being a dick.

/If you've got something against guns or killing, get some mace or pony up for a taser.
/Really... bug spray?  How the hell did that get to be a plan?!


Wasp spray; more toxic than Pepper spray, no doubt painful, and may cause permanent blindness
FWW G. Gordon Liddy  used to recommend it.
BTW mace and pepper spray are not the same. Mace is tear gas and is harder to use.
 
2013-02-21 07:17:05 AM
"Wasp spray goes 20 feet and you can really direct it at somebody and it really brings them down,"

If you're needing to spray it 20 feet you may be a tad paranoid. How exactly do you know who's about to rape/attack you at that distance?
 
2013-02-21 07:19:21 AM

Krusty_the_Barbarian: Well, flame me if you wish, but I completely disagree with Frank N Stein: Because an event that last only 30 seconds is not just cause for murder

It's not murder in my eyes. In nature when a predator attacks prey and the prey turns on it and fatally wounds the predator, it's just the way that goes sometimes.
When that rapist attacked he had no care for the the target, and thus deserves no care in return.
And please don't drop to human live is precious. From what I have encountered from traveling to a handful of (I hate the term) third-world countries, a human live isn't worth a dime. There are far to many on the planet who would sell their mothers for a beer.

To quote Texas "Some people just need killin' "


Best damn post in the thread. Wish more people could deal with reality. People should be encouraged to defend themselves. When the shiat hits the fan and all is said and done, typical police involvement is LEO's doing paperwork and such. Police aren't magic fairies buzzing around like guardian angels. Young fellows in Boy Scouts are taught: "Be Prepared". That should be taught to everyone.

IMHO rapists are not mentally well. A person not in a sane mind, or a person willing and able to attack you, should have to take whatever they have coming back at them. Rapists, paedophiles, murderers, politicians and all others who want to oppress you, cause you harm and control you negatively should be dealt with harshly.
 
2013-02-21 07:21:34 AM

jtown: I don't understand the wasp spray angle.  Why that?  I've got a can of bear spray that claims a 35' range in still air.  Seems more effective than their 20' wasp  spray and just as illegal to use to deter humans.



Why need something that sprays 35 feet? Most rapes probably occur at closer range. Unless it's Paul Bunyan or the Jolly Green Giant attacking.
 
2013-02-21 07:23:53 AM
"Wasp spray goes 20 feet and you can really direct it at somebody"

I can see that as being affective if you're running from somebody who has made their intentions clear, but to get it out and shoot someone at 20 feet you have to know by about at least 30 feet their intent.....so unless their wiener is out while running at you screaming "I'M GOING TO RAPE YOU", I don't get the point about the distance.

Then again it seems like we've evolved into a culture that once the sun starts to go down everyone thinks everyone else is going to rape or shoot someone.

/might be true in Chicago
 
2013-02-21 07:24:51 AM

Onkel Buck: What happend to pissing your pants and throwing up? Thats doesnt work now?


fark if I know. If I ever find myself in this "rape culture" everyone is going on about, I guess I better start bleeding all over myself, fumbling for bug spray, all while wearing an unironed pantsuit...oh, and I better confirm if it's "legit" or not, because that will decide the tone of the whole affair to begin with.

I'm starting to wonder if the kitchen really IS the safest place for me, after all...
 
2013-02-21 07:26:00 AM

MNguy: jtown: I don't understand the wasp spray angle.  Why that?  I've got a can of bear spray that claims a 35' range in still air.  Seems more effective than their 20' wasp  spray and just as illegal to use to deter humans.


Why need something that sprays 35 feet? Most rapes probably occur at closer range. Unless it's Paul Bunyan or the Jolly Green Giant attacking.


Most people reach for the herbicide when giant leafy green cock starts chasing them around.
 
2013-02-21 07:26:48 AM
Officials at the St. Louis County Police Department responded to the story saying it's better to use items for their intended purpose and added it's against federal law to use wasp spray for purposes other than what's listed on the can.

Oh well that's nice, sorry women being raped but you'll just have to submit to it or you'll go to jail
 
2013-02-21 07:27:31 AM
Ths stuff works great on rape....kills the roots.
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2013-02-21 07:29:06 AM

rogue_L_chick: Onkel Buck: What happend to pissing your pants and throwing up? Thats doesnt work now?

fark if I know. If I ever find myself in this "rape culture" everyone is going on about, I guess I better start bleeding all over myself, fumbling for bug spray, all while wearing an unironed pantsuit...oh, and I better confirm if it's "legit" or not, because that will decide the tone of the whole affair to begin with.

I'm starting to wonder if the kitchen really IS the safest place for me, after all...


All those knives in the kitchen and hot surfaces! I take a gun into my kitchen, well I used too, but I was told to turn it in because I would be even safer that way.
 
2013-02-21 07:29:25 AM

Nuclear Monk: Ths stuff works great on rape....kills the roots.
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I've always used WD-40
 
2013-02-21 07:29:37 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Officials at the St. Louis County Police Department responded to the story saying it's better to use items for their intended purpose and added it's against federal law to use wasp spray for purposes other than what's listed on the can.

Oh well that's nice, sorry women being raped but you'll just have to submit to it or you'll go to jail


Or, y'know, use a real weapon, which would be legal and more effective.
 
2013-02-21 07:29:51 AM

jaylectricity: Frank N Stein: [oi50.tinypic.com image 515x322]

Why couldn't she have strangled him in his post-coitus nap?


That can't be real, please tell me that's fake
 
2013-02-21 07:30:52 AM
Oddly enough, I have no problem believing that a woman might be in more trouble for using bug spray (or other non-lethal self-defense means) to defend herself than if she used a knife, club, or firearm. Several states in which I have lived have had more regulations for non-lethal devices such as pepper spray or stun guns than on firearms. Want to reduce the number of people carrying firearms? Allow them to carry non-lethal alternatives.

As I mentioned in another rape thread, someone needs to develop a non-lethal spray weapon based on triple-distilled essence of skunk- mixed with neon yellow paint or dye like that used in bank dye packs. Not only will the skunk funk remove both desire and ability to copulate (or even remain in the general area), but the smell and dye will mark the attacker for days.
 
2013-02-21 07:31:07 AM

doglover: Or, y'know, use a real weapon, which would be legal and more effective.


No the whole point of the story is women are afraid of defending themselves with a gun and going to jail for it, so they're using bug spray but then a law enforcement official says they'll still go to jail for using that.
 
2013-02-21 07:32:27 AM
Does it work for rape, rape?
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/Never forget she actually defended that pedo-rapist Polanski
 
2013-02-21 07:32:52 AM
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2013-02-21 07:35:45 AM
This guy sprays himself in the face with wasp spray all the time. Usualy because he just stuck his bare face in a wasp nest.

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Feel sorry for the lady who uses pyrethrin wasp spray on an attacker. She'll get raped and smell of crysthanamums after.
 
2013-02-21 07:43:03 AM

Tat'dGreaser: No the whole point of the story is women are afraid of defending themselves with a gun and going to jail for it


Yeah but that's a lie.
 
2013-02-21 07:43:24 AM

I hope all the people advocating the use of wasp spray to deter rape always take the time to explain the "proper" use of the spray.

Still, it's only a matter of time before we see the Fark headline:

WASP sprays own va-jay-jay to deter unwanted sex play

/I'll laugh and laugh and feel bad about the state of humanity and laugh some more.
 
2013-02-21 07:47:09 AM

BronyMedic: Well, false. In every state that has laws allowing the use of concealed firearms in self defense, the fear of impending rape during a physical attack is justification to use lethal force by a CCW holder.

Of course, you better hope that the forensics hold up on that. They CAN tell when you've been faking things.



You mean like when your body doesn't shut that whole thing down because it wasn't legitimate rape?
 
2013-02-21 07:49:10 AM
i can think of 100 things worse than someone putting a penis in your vagina??

i'm sure i can think of 1

nope i can't

vaginas were made for reproduction not for dirty dirty sex
 
2013-02-21 07:50:53 AM

NameDot: BTW mace and pepper spray are not the same. Mace is tear gas and is harder to use.


Gas?
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Point is that, if you're willing to cause harm, you should buy a weapon that harms by approved methods.
If you don't want to create a permanent injury, buy something that's designed with that in mind.

When you improvise you can create all kinds of unintentional issues that the law isn't written to protect you from.
We've got tested and approved technology. Use it.

ReapTheChaos: "Wasp spray goes 20 feet and you can really direct it at somebody and it really brings them down,"

If you're needing to spray it 20 feet you may be a tad paranoid. How exactly do you know who's about to rape/attack you at that distance?


Its possible.
Someone chasing a woman across a parking lot, someone forcing their way into a house, angry/crazy people can make their intentions clear from a pretty good distance.

The 20 foot thing reminds me of the Tueller drill, which proposes than an attacker can cover that distance and maul you before you can pull a gun.   It wasn't an argument against guns so much as justification for why  you might draw on threats who otherwise seem to be a safe distance away.

If the weapon only makes contact in the last five feet when someones charging at you, you're going for a roll in the dirt even if its a successful hit.

/Shootings past twenty feet are very rare.
/But there we go, gambling on statistics.
 
2013-02-21 07:52:20 AM

Onkel Buck: What happend to pissing your pants and throwing up? Thats doesnt work now?


I don't see how pissing your pants and throwing up is going to keep someone from spraying you with wasp spray.  I mean sure, if you shoot them first, that works, but then you're a necrophiliac and that's just wrong.
 
2013-02-21 07:52:32 AM
FTA: South County resident Carol Dickinson hasn't left home without it since buying a can about a month ago.

"I keep a can of wasp spray in my car in the console where the cup holder is," said Dickinson.


Hilarity to ensue in 5, 4, 3, July, August...
 
2013-02-21 07:55:04 AM
"And we keep it right here so if you came to the counter with the cash register I would just get this on you and zap you right in the face,"

Whatever you do, don't go to the counter with the cash register, there's a bad-ass there.
 
2013-02-21 07:56:46 AM

lewismarktwo: Most rapes are women who forgot to say no.


*cough*
Any non-consensual sex can be classified as rape. And yes, that includes them being too intoxicated to say no.

/Studied criminal psych
//Psychopathology of sex offenders makes you hate the world with a passion
 
2013-02-21 07:57:34 AM
Maybe we could just make some places, like schools, rape free zones. Any woman who leaves the area takes her chances.
 
2013-02-21 08:00:24 AM
Women wouldn't have to worry about being raped if they didn't dress like they wanted it.

/compulsory.

Sorry, a dead rapist sans brains is much better than one that you just sprayed with mosquito repellent.
 
2013-02-21 08:00:58 AM

badhatharry: Maybe we could just make some places, like schools, rape free zones. Any woman who leaves the area takes her chances.


i like it

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2013-02-21 08:02:43 AM

Legios: lewismarktwo: Most rapes are women who forgot to say no.

*cough*
Any non-consensual sex can be classified as rape. And yes, that includes them being too intoxicated to say no.

/Studied criminal psych
//Psychopathology of sex offenders makes you hate the world with a passion


Just to clarify what I meant was consent is explicit, not implicit.
 
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