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2013-02-20 08:55:31 PM
Oh, pyrethrums? How creative! Home bug spray has just the perfect concentration to send your attacker into homicidal rage towards your face, while doing nothing to stop legitimate rape.

Leave the roach spray, and bring the radroach spray. 9mm or above.
 
2013-02-20 09:01:27 PM
FTFA : "Wasp spray goes 20 feet and you can really direct it at somebody and it really brings them down," said Christensen. "Mace you have to be a little closer and someone could actually get the mace and put it on you," she said.


But not bug spray ?


lh3.ggpht.com


You gonna' get raped ...and your paralyzed body covered with hungry larvae.
 
2013-02-20 09:10:46 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com

Pray that I don't strike a lighter too.
 
2013-02-20 09:12:41 PM
How long before Law & Order: SVU arrest a rape victim for wasp spray?  Next season opener maybe.
 
2013-02-20 09:23:26 PM
WASP spray?

That's racist.
 
2013-02-20 09:24:48 PM
Democrats: the real war on women.
 
2013-02-20 09:32:02 PM

Amos Quito: WASP spray?

That's racist.


Coming from you, that's hilarious
 
2013-02-20 09:32:18 PM
Bear spray is pretty effective, too.

Though I keep a can of chemical stripper handy.  I've accidentally gotten it on myself more than once.

Nasty stuff.  Your skin will burn and peel if you don't wash it off right away.
 
2013-02-20 09:33:19 PM
Do they make a Kosher JAP spray version?
 
2013-02-20 09:36:06 PM
And these women say it's how the spray shoots that appeals to them.

Dickinson said, "It shoots farther than pepper spray so that was the advantage."

"Wasp spray goes 20 feet and you can really direct it at somebody and it really brings them down," said Christensen.


Good thing I can rape from beyond 20 feet. See you in the park, Ms. Christensen.
 
2013-02-20 09:38:40 PM
This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists. And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.
 
2013-02-20 09:45:41 PM

Donnchadha: Amos Quito: WASP spray?

That's racist.

Coming from you, that's hilarious



I'm one of the funniest guys on Fark.

Ask anyone.
 
2013-02-20 09:53:12 PM

TheOmni: This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists. And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.


No it won't. Not for long, anyway.
 
2013-02-20 09:58:18 PM

Amos Quito: I'm one of the funniest guys on Fark.


I've seen plenty of people laughing at you, so sure.
 
2013-02-20 10:00:36 PM

TheOmni: This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists.


Well, true.

TheOmni: And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.


Well, false. In every state that has laws allowing the use of concealed firearms in self defense, the fear of impending rape during a physical attack is justification to use lethal force by a CCW holder.

Of course, you better hope that the forensics hold up on that. They CAN tell when you've been faking things.

Amos Quito: I'm one of the funniest guys on Fark.

Ask anyone.


You're funny in the same venue as Multi-Drug Resistant Gonorrhea in a 9 year old is.
 
2013-02-20 10:06:04 PM

BronyMedic: Amos Quito: I'm one of the funniest guys on Fark.

Ask anyone.

You're funny in the same venue as Multi-Drug Resistant Gonorrhea in a 9 year old is.



Gonorrhea?

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clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap...
 
2013-02-20 10:08:33 PM

doglover: TheOmni: This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists. And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.

No it won't. Not for long, anyway.


Because rape victims are always believed?

BronyMedic: Well, false. In every state that has laws allowing the use of concealed firearms in self defense, the fear of impending rape during a physical attack is justification to use lethal force by a CCW holder.Of course, you better hope that the forensics hold up on that. They CAN tell when you've been faking things.


Already subtly trying to bring up the concept of false rape accusations. Rape victims are frequently not believed, accused of making it up, or otherwise blamed. This will not change that fact.
 
2013-02-20 10:09:59 PM
One Bad Apple:
But not bug spray ?


[lh3.ggpht.com image 850x680]


You gonna' get raped ...and your paralyzed body covered with hungry larvae.


EVERY SINGLE NOUN AND VERB IN THAT SENTENCE TOTALLY AROUSES ME!

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-20 10:10:52 PM

TheOmni: BronyMedic: Well, false. In every state that has laws allowing the use of concealed firearms in self defense, the fear of impending rape during a physical attack is justification to use lethal force by a CCW holder.Of course, you better hope that the forensics hold up on that. They CAN tell when you've been faking things.

Already subtly trying to bring up the concept of false rape accusations. Rape victims are frequently not believed, accused of making it up, or otherwise blamed. This will not change that fact.


Well, just get an abortion before you file the police report.  Being pregnant is a dead giveaway that it wasn't a legitimate rape.
 
2013-02-20 10:15:49 PM

TheOmni: Already subtly trying to bring up the concept of false rape accusations. Rape victims are frequently not believed, accused of making it up, or otherwise blamed. This will not change that fact.


24.media.tumblr.com

If I had wanted to go into a discussion about false rape accusations, I would have done so. Instead, you decided to run with something blatantly offensive and never said at all because you were shown to be wrong about your statement. A statement that has just as much propaganda as the previous one you decried.

The Point: Person A shoots an attacker who is attempting to rape her. Person B shoots someone she invited into her home, with no signs of defensive wounds, a struggle, or any violence to her person. Person A has a clear case for the use of stand your ground/self-defense. Person B has a lot HARDER case than Person A.

This does not take a genius to figure out.
 
2013-02-20 10:18:25 PM

TheOmni: doglover: TheOmni: This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists. And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.

No it won't. Not for long, anyway.

Because rape victims are always believed?

BronyMedic: Well, false. In every state that has laws allowing the use of concealed firearms in self defense, the fear of impending rape during a physical attack is justification to use lethal force by a CCW holder.Of course, you better hope that the forensics hold up on that. They CAN tell when you've been faking things.

Already subtly trying to bring up the concept of false rape accusations. Rape victims are frequently not believed, accused of making it up, or otherwise blamed. This will not change that fact.


Rape victims are only doubted because of people who make dubious rape claims. Like that Duke scandal.

Killing your attacker, or at least attempting to do so earnestly, adds a hundredweight of credibility to any claims you may have. It might even save your life.
 
2013-02-20 10:20:40 PM

BronyMedic: TheOmni: Already subtly trying to bring up the concept of false rape accusations. Rape victims are frequently not believed, accused of making it up, or otherwise blamed. This will not change that fact.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 400x400]

If I had wanted to go into a discussion about false rape accusations, I would have done so. Instead, you decided to run with something blatantly offensive and never said at all because you were shown to be wrong about your statement. A statement that has just as much propaganda as the previous one you decried.

The Point: Person A shoots an attacker who is attempting to rape her. Person B shoots someone she invited into her home, with no signs of defensive wounds, a struggle, or any violence to her person. Person A has a clear case for the use of stand your ground/self-defense. Person B has a lot HARDER case than Person A.

This does not take a genius to figure out.


You're still doing it. Using the fact that she invited the person into her home or didn't struggle hard enough to leave marks as evidence that it wasn't a rape. Most rapes aren't stranger leaping from bushes. They are dates and people the victim knows. Afterwards the rapist declares it was consensual, people don't believe her because it was someone she knew, invited up for coffee, didn't struggle enough to be believed. If the would be rapist ends up shot that will not help her be believed.

The idea that guns are any sort of a solution or help to the issue of rape depends on a complete and deliberate misunderstanding of actual rape and rape culture.
 
2013-02-20 10:26:44 PM

TheOmni: You're still doing it. Using the fact that she invited the person into her home or didn't struggle hard enough to leave marks as evidence that it wasn't a rape. Most rapes aren't stranger leaping from bushes. They are dates and people the victim knows. Afterwards the rapist declares it was consensual, people don't believe her because it was someone she knew, invited up for coffee, didn't struggle enough to be believed. If the would be rapist ends up shot that will not help her be believed.


Please don't lecture me on rape culture. I've spoken enough about it, and about how rape is glorified by many posters on FARK through several threads that the fact you seem to think because I point out that "I shot him because he attacked me" is a common claim made by people in shootings means I'm some sort of Anti-feminist Mens Rights Activist is laughable.

I didn't even mention rape. I mentioned the use of a firearm. A woman who says she was being raped will ALWAYS have an uphill legal battle in the climate of the US Justice System if the forensic evidence or eyewitness statements do NOT back up her story in the use of lethal force against her attacker. That was the original point, and the point you seem to continue to miss.

At any rate, if you're going to carry a firearm, be sure you shoot to kill. Scumbags can't claim they're being framed for rape if they have a bullet in their cranium.

TheOmni: The idea that guns are any sort of a solution or help to the issue of rape depends on a complete and deliberate misunderstanding of actual rape and rape culture.


Rape is about power, control, and violence. Sexual gratification plays a small part in the pathology that predators, both men and women, exhibit when they target others. Seems to me that empowering a woman, or man, to defend themselves against their rapist would be a pretty good solution.

Especially given the fact that most people who rape are NOT on their first victim, OR going to stop with one, and removing them from the equation by lead poisoning protects more down the road.
 
2013-02-20 10:28:05 PM
Rale culture?

Go fark yourself.
 
2013-02-20 10:29:50 PM
0bama's war on woman continues.
 
2013-02-20 10:30:06 PM
More like White Anglo Sexy Prostitute spray, am I right?
 
2013-02-20 10:30:09 PM

doglover: Rale culture?

Go fark yourself.


STOP RALE CULTURE!

USE CPAP FIRST!

ems.pgpic.com

:)
 
2013-02-20 10:32:02 PM
img.21food.com
Fight back with 100% pure Rape Spray!




/Made in Germany (of course)
 
2013-02-20 10:34:44 PM

BronyMedic: Rape is about power, control, and violence.


How do you know what motivates rapists so well?
 
2013-02-20 10:34:49 PM

TheOmni: This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists. And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.


Gun lobbyists ignoring statistically valid outcomes? There's absolutely no evidence for that...
 
2013-02-20 10:36:45 PM

Tigger: TheOmni: This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists. And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.

Gun lobbyists ignoring statistically valid outcomes? There's absolutely no evidence for that...


I guess both of you missed the end of the article? The federal law is using bug spray not consistent with its labeling. Nothing to do with guns. NOTHING.
 
2013-02-20 10:36:47 PM

BronyMedic: doglover: Rale culture?

Go fark yourself.

STOP RALE CULTURE!

USE CPAP FIRST!

[ems.pgpic.com image 300x174]

:)


Lulz
 
2013-02-20 10:38:01 PM

jaylectricity: How do you know what motivates rapists so well?


4.bp.blogspot.com

Why do you think he wanted them, along with the Methodists?
 
2013-02-20 10:41:34 PM

BronyMedic: jaylectricity: How do you know what motivates rapists so well?

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 600x409]

Why do you think he wanted them, along with the Methodists?


I appreciate your humor, and in no way was I actually claiming you were a rapist, but the minute that one-liner came to mind it made me think...

Who is it that's telling us what rape is really about?
 
2013-02-20 10:43:44 PM
This won't even go green until tomorrow morning and it's already been derailed from a gun thread to rape culture thread.
 
2013-02-20 10:44:34 PM
jaylectricity: Nothing to do with guns. NOTHING.

like that's ever stopped anybody.
 
2013-02-20 10:44:35 PM

One Bad Apple: This won't even go green until tomorrow morning and it's already been derailed from a gun thread to rape culture thread.


It was never a gun thread.
 
2013-02-20 10:45:19 PM

ultraholland: jaylectricity: Nothing to do with guns. NOTHING.

like that's ever stopped anybody.


I'm seeing that.
 
2013-02-20 10:46:46 PM

One Bad Apple: This won't even go green until tomorrow morning and it's already been derailed from a gun thread to rape culture thread.


I dabbled in rape culture for a bit, after my youth exploring various steampunk and act-like-a-college-professor subcultures.

Interestingly enough, it's extremely offensive in rape culture for the victim to enjoy it. That and don't eat food with your left hand.
 
2013-02-20 10:46:49 PM

jaylectricity: Tigger: TheOmni: This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists. And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.

Gun lobbyists ignoring statistically valid outcomes? There's absolutely no evidence for that...

I guess both of you missed the end of the article? The federal law is using bug spray not consistent with its labeling. Nothing to do with guns. NOTHING.


I'm going to put a few grand down on it's not me that missed the point little buddy.
 
2013-02-20 10:49:19 PM

jaylectricity: BronyMedic: jaylectricity: How do you know what motivates rapists so well?

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 600x409]

Why do you think he wanted them, along with the Methodists?

I appreciate your humor, and in no way was I actually claiming you were a rapist, but the minute that one-liner came to mind it made me think...

Who is it that's telling us what rape is really about?


Mostly criminal psychologists.

If it's just sex, prostitutes are everywhere. But after years of interviews with felons who do and don't rape, the consensus is that it's more about domination than just a sexual thing. That theme comes up again and again, I'm told.

Personally, I think rapists just long for the gift of flight. Right out of a catapult on top of a skyscraper.
 
2013-02-20 10:49:44 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: One Bad Apple: This won't even go green until tomorrow morning and it's already been derailed from a gun thread to rape culture thread.

I dabbled in rape culture for a bit, after my youth exploring various steampunk and act-like-a-college-professor subcultures.

Interestingly enough, it's extremely offensive in rape culture for the victim to enjoy it. That and don't eat food with your left hand.


The secret is to combine them.  Fake-college-professor rape subculture is a wonderful thing to behold.
 
2013-02-20 10:51:04 PM

Tigger: jaylectricity: Tigger: TheOmni: This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists. And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.

Gun lobbyists ignoring statistically valid outcomes? There's absolutely no evidence for that...

I guess both of you missed the end of the article? The federal law is using bug spray not consistent with its labeling. Nothing to do with guns. NOTHING.

I'm going to put a few grand down on it's not me that missed the point little buddy.


Admittedly, you were merely responding to somebody who missed the point, but by replying with something without mentioning the point, you were complicit in missing the point.
 
2013-02-20 10:51:51 PM

doglover: I'm told.


Exactly.
 
2013-02-20 10:52:06 PM

jaylectricity: One Bad Apple: This won't even go green until tomorrow morning and it's already been derailed from a gun thread to rape culture thread.

It was never a gun thread.


Who says it can't be both?

oi50.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-20 10:54:09 PM
Frank N Stein: oi50.tinypic.com

Why couldn't she have strangled him in his post-coitus nap?
 
2013-02-20 10:57:29 PM

jaylectricity: Why couldn't she have strangled him in his post-coitus nap?


Because an event that last only 30 seconds is not just cause for murder.

oi45.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-20 10:57:42 PM

TheOmni: BronyMedic: TheOmni: Already subtly trying to bring up the concept of false rape accusations. Rape victims are frequently not believed, accused of making it up, or otherwise blamed. This will not change that fact.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 400x400]

If I had wanted to go into a discussion about false rape accusations, I would have done so. Instead, you decided to run with something blatantly offensive and never said at all because you were shown to be wrong about your statement. A statement that has just as much propaganda as the previous one you decried.

The Point: Person A shoots an attacker who is attempting to rape her. Person B shoots someone she invited into her home, with no signs of defensive wounds, a struggle, or any violence to her person. Person A has a clear case for the use of stand your ground/self-defense. Person B has a lot HARDER case than Person A.

This does not take a genius to figure out.

You're still doing it. Using the fact that she invited the person into her home or didn't struggle hard enough to leave marks as evidence that it wasn't a rape. Most rapes aren't stranger leaping from bushes. They are dates and people the victim knows. Afterwards the rapist declares it was consensual, people don't believe her because it was someone she knew, invited up for coffee, didn't struggle enough to be believed. If the would be rapist ends up shot that will not help her be believed.

The idea that guns are any sort of a solution or help to the issue of rape depends on a complete and deliberate misunderstanding of actual rape and rape culture.


Rape culture?
 
2013-02-20 10:58:40 PM

Frank N Stein: jaylectricity: Why couldn't she have strangled him in his post-coitus nap?

Because an event that last only 30 seconds is not just cause for murder.

[oi45.tinypic.com image 640x360]


Are those for real ?


"murder" is an illegal killing btw
 
2013-02-20 10:59:37 PM
OK...who farking invited Jamie Kilstein to this party?
 
2013-02-20 10:59:41 PM

R.A.Danny: Rape culture?


Feminist bullshiat. Best to simply ignore.
 
2013-02-20 11:01:46 PM

One Bad Apple: "murder" is an illegal killing btw



Now I'm pissed that I procrastinated taking a picture of a billboard near my house that says "Murder is not OK."

It'll be there tomorrow...I will take a picture of it and return to this thread with it. It will likely only be about 5-6 hours after this gets greenlit.
 
2013-02-20 11:01:56 PM

One Bad Apple: Are those for real ?


"murder" is an illegal killing btw


No, they were made a while back to troll the brady campaign facebook page
 
2013-02-20 11:01:59 PM

Frank N Stein: jaylectricity: Why couldn't she have strangled him in his post-coitus nap?

Because an event that last only 30 seconds is not just cause for murder.

[oi45.tinypic.com image 640x360]


You also won't know if the guy trying to rape you is just after some sex or BTK until after you're tied up with the curtain strings and being vivisected. Best not to take chances.
 
2013-02-20 11:15:57 PM

One Bad Apple: This won't even go green until tomorrow morning


And one other thing about this site...this won't go green until the morning which means us paying customers with TF can pretty much assume there will be nothing new on this site for the rest of the night. Even if some cool stuff h appens between now and then.
 
2013-02-20 11:19:24 PM
No one in their right mind would charge a woman for using it on an attacker

But, considering it is the federal government we are talking about...
 
2013-02-20 11:20:01 PM

jaylectricity:

And one other thing about this site...this won't go green until the morning which means us paying customers with TF can pretty much assume there will be nothing new on this site for the rest of the night. Even if some cool stuff h appens between now and then.


I'm not entirely sure but I don't think the queue works like that. Stuff gets added or moved all the time.
 
2013-02-20 11:22:16 PM

One Bad Apple: jaylectricity:

And one other thing about this site...this won't go green until the morning which means us paying customers with TF can pretty much assume there will be nothing new on this site for the rest of the night. Even if some cool stuff h appens between now and then.

I'm not entirely sure but I don't think the queue works like that. Stuff gets added or moved all the time.


Well maybe you don't have as much time as me to notice how the queue works.
 
2013-02-20 11:44:54 PM

doglover: Rape victims are only doubted because of people who make dubious rape claims. Like that Duke scandal. of a culture based on "Christian values" that assumes any women wearing a miniskirt and heels is asking for it and showing any skin beyond their ankle is asking for it since men cannot control themselves and are nothing more then savage animals holding it in


FTFY
 
2013-02-20 11:45:37 PM

Frank N Stein: jaylectricity: Why couldn't she have strangled him in his post-coitus nap?

Because an event that last only 30 seconds is not just cause for murder.

[oi45.tinypic.com image 640x360]


Any woman who kills her rapist is owed a great deal of thanks by society in general, and especially by any women the bastard didn't get to rape in the future.
 
2013-02-20 11:48:01 PM

cman: No one in their right mind would charge a woman for using it on an attacker

But, considering it is the federal government we are talking about...


I'm sure we'd have seen such a case on Fark.
 
FNG [TotalFark]
2013-02-20 11:52:01 PM
Without reading the thread, that is actually a good idea.
 
2013-02-21 12:14:04 AM
Rapist:  "RAAAAAAAAID?!"
 
2013-02-21 12:21:17 AM

jaylectricity: BronyMedic: Rape is about power, control, and violence.

How do you know what motivates rapists so well?


All people really want is to feel that either:

A. They are in control of their life.

or

B. Someone with their interests in mind is in control of their life.

In practice, perceptions tends to move between the two in a sliding scale. Of course, some people don't feel that either of the above are true. That is when they act badly. Rape is an attempt to feel control.

Is that really general? Yes. It's also the most concise explanation of human behavior I have been able to create.
 
2013-02-21 12:37:03 AM

Sid_6.7: In practice, perceptions tends to move between the two in a sliding scale. Of course, some people don't feel that either of the above are true. That is when they act badly. Rape is an attempt to feel control.

Is that really general? Yes. It's also the most concise explanation of human behavior I have been able to create.


So Nietzsche and the Unabomber were right?
 
2013-02-21 12:42:22 AM

zedster: doglover: Rape victims are only doubted because of people who make dubious rape claims. Like that Duke scandal. of a culture based on "Christian values" that assumes any women wearing a miniskirt and heels is asking for it and showing any skin beyond their ankle is asking for it since men cannot control themselves and are nothing more then savage animals holding it in

FTFY


You can say it 100 times, that don't make it true.

We have to keep rapists and pedos in their own section of jail or they get abused. Even criminals don't like 'em.
 
2013-02-21 01:01:20 AM

doglover: We have to keep rapists and pedos in their own section of jail or they get abused. Even criminals don't like 'em.


Heard of that with pedos, any source on it with rapists? I kind of doubt it based on the number of gang bangers with sexual assault convictions
 
2013-02-21 01:04:46 AM

zedster: number of gang bangers


Wait...are we talking about murder or rape?
 
2013-02-21 01:13:50 AM

jaylectricity: zedster: number of gang bangers

Wait...are we talking about murder or rape?


Rape is one of those weird status. Raping a "biatch" or a "ho" or "stuck-up member another race/sexuality" is commended. If its a nice person, a family member, then it's horrific.

Pedos are totally hated. Instant death sentence.

Rape in prison...happens all the time.
 
2013-02-21 01:21:45 AM

jaylectricity: zedster: number of gang bangers

Wait...are we talking about murder or rape?


rape, I'm guessing that rapist in prison who raped women of age and aren't a Lifetime/L & O characture are not targeted. I'm also guessing a significant portion(by no means a majority) of the prison population has crimes against women somewhere on their rap sheet but it's not the primary reason they are in prison.

doglover was saying rapist are on similar footing to pedos in prison who often need protective custody
 
2013-02-21 01:29:12 AM

Amos Quito: [img.21food.com image 576x720]
Fight back with 100% pure Rape Spray!

/Made in Germany (of course)


I hate to admit it, but you are funny sometimes.
 
2013-02-21 01:36:49 AM
I give all the women in my life the same rape tip: go to a dialect coach and learn how to speak with some kid of New England accent, be it Boston, CT, or Mainer. Then if you ever encounter a rapist, just start talking in said accent. Not even the most excited rapist could maintain arousal in the face of that audible assault.
 
2013-02-21 01:52:33 AM

zedster: doglover: We have to keep rapists and pedos in their own section of jail or they get abused. Even criminals don't like 'em.

Heard of that with pedos, any source on it with rapists? I kind of doubt it based on the number of gang bangers with sexual assault convictions


Sexual assault =! rape to criminals.

Hell rape =! rape sometimes. Once the social contract breaks down rules get bent.

But seriously, while sex crimes are Bad with a capital B, most people treat them as BAD caps lock. Nobody likes a pervert. Even the twisted morality of violent thugs has lines. Rape is almost always the worst thing. That's why I don't get this "rape culture" bullshiat. If that were true, we'd see mujadeen style attacks as just ho hum and not evidence North Africa is hell.
 
2013-02-21 02:04:30 AM

jaylectricity: I guess both of you missed the end of the article? The federal law is using bug spray not consistent with its labeling. Nothing to do with guns. NOTHING.


Yeah, with the trolly troll troll headline there's no way anyone got that far.
 
2013-02-21 02:39:05 AM
I WAS RIGHT!

http://www.joetheso.com/sex-offender-survival-guide.html

Look at item 3. "All Gremlins(deliberately violent inmates) assume sex offenders are chomos(child molesters) and treat them accordingly." (paraphrased)

I learned two new prison slang terms and got one testimonial. It's not hard math to figure out how people behave, though. Most people on the outside, the logical and rational ones, immediately assume "sex offender" means child rapist. These are the logical and tolerant people. You think someone in jail for shootin' a guy they didn't even know for the $5 an hour they average slingin' crack in Detroit is gonna be MORE reasonable?
 
2013-02-21 05:29:08 AM

Frank N Stein: jaylectricity: Why couldn't she have strangled him in his post-coitus nap?

Because an event that last only 30 seconds is not just cause for murder.

[oi45.tinypic.com image 640x360]


What the bull?!

Rape isn't about getting sex and maybe embarrassing her, it is about taking all control that person has of themselves away.  A power that ends when the attacker either stops or is stopped.  Here is a crazy thought, how often does rape end in murder and how is the woman to know that sex is all the rapist wants, because that's what rapist are good for is telling you ahead of time so you are cool with it.  Even if he isn't carrying a weapon, doesn't mean he won't kill her.
 
2013-02-21 06:07:39 AM
I think a woman should be able to defend herself from rape by any means necessary.
 
2013-02-21 06:07:55 AM
The logistics of carrying around a huge can of bug spray makes the whole idea of using bug spray as a rape deterrent suspect.
 
2013-02-21 06:08:42 AM

C18H27NO3: I think a woman should be able to defend herself from rape by any means necessary.


Even knocking over a child so the attacker gets the kid first? You're a farking monster.
 
2013-02-21 06:10:05 AM

doglover: Rape victims are only doubted because of people who make dubious rape claims. Like that Duke scandal.


You have people in this world are saying that rape often isn't rape because "the woman might enjoy it".

I'd say the notion that false rape claims can and do occur is only a fraction of the reason rape victims are often accused of lying.
 
2013-02-21 06:11:55 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: C18H27NO3: I think a woman should be able to defend herself from rape by any means necessary.

Even knocking over a child so the attacker gets the kid first? You're a farking monster.


"Ho con me lo stampo per farne degli altri!."
 
2013-02-21 06:12:34 AM

BronyMedic: Leave the roach spray, and bring the radroach spray. 9mm or above.


Nobody wastes ammo on a radroach. That's what the melee skill is for.
 
2013-02-21 06:16:40 AM

TravelingFreakshow: Nobody wastes ammo on a radroach.


Almost no one.

geektyrant.com
 
2013-02-21 06:18:13 AM
I didn't read the article, I scrolled through all the comments really fast, and I'm wondering why there are giant insect rapists shooting flying prehensile barbed penises at humans armed with cans of Raid.
 
2013-02-21 06:24:54 AM
But it's still OK to cap a punk kid for being black and in your housing estate?

/ Skittles
 
2013-02-21 06:26:34 AM
Officials at the St. Louis County Police Department responded to the story saying it's better to use items for their intended purpose and added it's against federal law to use wasp spray for purposes other than what's listed on the can.

...And here I am, agreeing with the cops.
The mornings off to a weird start.

You are always responsible for your actions, and your attacker is responsible for his.
If he forces you to fight for your life, fark him and the horse he rode in on. Show him the consequences of being a dick.

/If you've got something against guns or killing, get some mace or pony up for a taser.
/Really... bug spray?  How the hell did that get to be a plan?!
 
2013-02-21 06:29:07 AM

TheOmni: Because rape victims are always believed?



So instead of using something that might get the victim arrested under state law, the obvious solution is to use something that's guaranteed to get the victim arrested under federal law?

What can possibly go wrong?
 
2013-02-21 06:30:12 AM

FunkOut: I didn't read the article, I scrolled through all the comments really fast, and I'm wondering why there are giant insect rapists shooting flying prehensile barbed penises at humans armed with cans of Raid.


I've been watching too much Archer.

I hear that in Krieger's voice
 
2013-02-21 06:33:20 AM

Frank N Stein: jaylectricity: Why couldn't she have strangled him in his post-coitus nap?

Because an event that last only 30 seconds is not just cause for murder.

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Okay that makes me want to kill someone, grrrrrrr
 
2013-02-21 06:34:56 AM

jaylectricity: Now I'm pissed that I procrastinated taking a picture of a billboard near my house that says "Murder is not OK."


Yeah, right.  Like anyone is going to believe you over Hollywood.

ParaHandy: But it's still OK to cap a punk kid for being black and in your housing estate?

/ Skittles



Little known fact:  He chose Lipton over Arizona Sweet Tea; he chose poorly.  If he'd chosen Minute Maid, Zimmerman would have given him a fatal case of scabies.
 
2013-02-21 06:36:07 AM

Frank N Stein: jaylectricity: One Bad Apple: This won't even go green until tomorrow morning and it's already been derailed from a gun thread to rape culture thread.

It was never a gun thread.

Who says it can't be both?

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It's gonna take a lot longer to restore her dignity if the poster features her crying face..
 
2013-02-21 06:36:43 AM

Frank N Stein: One Bad Apple: Are those for real ?


"murder" is an illegal killing btw

No, they were made a while back to troll the brady campaign facebook page


You, sir. Are my hero.
 
2013-02-21 06:38:22 AM
Why are people still using those fake Brady Campaign posters?  Please tell me it's some fark ironic thing we're doing.
 
2013-02-21 06:38:42 AM
Most rapes are women who forgot to say no.
 
2013-02-21 06:38:53 AM
Well, flame me if you wish, but I completely disagree with

Frank N Stein: Because an event that last only 30 seconds is not just cause for murder


It's not murder in my eyes. In nature when a predator attacks prey and the prey turns on it and fatally wounds the predator, it's just the way that goes sometimes.
When that rapist attacked he had no care for the the target, and thus deserves no care in return.
And please don't drop to human live is precious. From what I have encountered from traveling to a handful of (I hate the term) third-world countries, a human live isn't worth a dime. There are far to many on the planet who would sell their mothers for a beer.

To quote Texas "Some people just need killin' "
 
2013-02-21 06:40:00 AM

Lenny and Carl: Why are people still using those fake Brady Campaign posters?  Please tell me it's some fark ironic thing we're doing.


I forgot about how the Brady Bunch caused nation wide killing sprees back in the 1970s. I'm glad the show was banned.
 
2013-02-21 06:42:24 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I give all the women in my life the same rape tip: go to a dialect coach and learn how to speak with some kid of New England accent, be it Boston, CT, or Mainer. Then if you ever encounter a rapist, just start talking in said accent. Not even the most excited rapist could maintain arousal in the face of that audible assault.


There are no accents in Connecticut you filthy, lying sonofabiatch.  It's the dickheads that surround us that ignore their "r"s. Everyone in the nation should speak like a Nutmegger, the rest of you sound like you've got orange thermos in your mouth.
 
2013-02-21 06:42:30 AM
I don't understand the wasp spray angle.  Why that?  I've got a can of bear spray that claims a 35' range in still air.  Seems more effective than their 20' wasp  spray and just as illegal to use to deter humans.

Because it's against federal law to use any pesticide in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.

In case y'all missed it,  that is what the headline means by "violating federal law".  It has nothing at all to do with guns or gun control laws.  It's about the fact that it's illegal to use wasp spray in this manner.
 
2013-02-21 06:49:08 AM

jtown: It has nothing at all to do with guns or gun control laws. It's about the fact that it's illegal to use wasp spray in this manner.


That's mostly because no one knows what the fark will happen. We can guesstimate because the pesticides are known, but really almost all research and legislation has gone to keeping humans AWAY from these chemicals. If you're that fearful, just buy pepper spray or a gun. Not only do we know they work, but they're legal and have a better range.

Wasp spray has like 30' tops. Pepper spray isn't like the movies. It's not a mist. They have a gel version that's at a higher PSI and goes 30' or more as well as not breaking up into drops like wasp spray will.
 
2013-02-21 06:51:27 AM
Its stupid to use bug spay.
Use oven cleaner instead.
 
2013-02-21 06:51:51 AM

doglover: Killing your attacker, or at least attempting to do so earnestly, adds a hundredweight of credibility to any claims you may have. It might even save your life.


Thank you, Jodi Arias. No further questions, Your Honor.
 
2013-02-21 06:52:17 AM

TheOmni: This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists. And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.


not in florida

/stand your ground state
 
2013-02-21 06:53:14 AM

Serious question:  How many documented instances are there of a gun carried outside the home preventing a rape?


I mean, they've already told us that wearing frumpy clothing is a valid form of defense, when the actual data proves otherwise, so I'm wondering what the actual data says about carrying a gun.

 
2013-02-21 06:55:25 AM

Fast Moon: Serious question:  How many documented instances are there of a gun carried outside the home preventing a rape?
I mean, they've already told us that wearing frumpy clothing is a valid form of defense, when the actual data proves otherwise, so I'm wondering what the actual data says about carrying a gun.


25.media.tumblr.com
"Would YOU rape this woman? Statistics say NO!"
 
2013-02-21 06:57:32 AM
 
2013-02-21 06:59:38 AM

basemetal: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x317]

Pray that I don't strike a lighter too.


I want that spray wand on a can. My house is tall enough on the front that it is hard to get the wasp nests that accumulate every year there unless the winds are dead calm.

No problem with women defending themselves against rape, that's what concealed carry permit classes and permits are for. Mace is not an appropriate deterrent for rape and never has been. You should check them out, you would be surprised how many women are involved in the gun scene. Don't want to be a victim? Than don't be one.
 
2013-02-21 07:00:11 AM

Fast Moon: How many documented instances are there of a gun carried outside the home preventing a rape?


Why do prevented rapes have to be documented?

Reported rapes are just the tip of the iceberg. Don't you know that for every rape survivor who bravely re-victimized herself by reporting her assault to the police, ten million go unreported? With 80,000 forcible rapes reported in 2009, that's almost 800,000,000,000 rapes a year the rape culture generates.
 
2013-02-21 07:01:26 AM
If she was raped, why didn't she try to defend herself?

Said rape culture.
/just for those doubting its existence
 
2013-02-21 07:02:10 AM

doglover: Frank N Stein: jaylectricity: Why couldn't she have strangled him in his post-coitus nap?

Because an event that last only 30 seconds is not just cause for murder.

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You also won't know if the guy trying to rape you is just after some sex or BTK until after you're tied up with the curtain strings and being vivisected. Best not to take chances.


bonus points for using vivisected

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2013-02-21 07:02:39 AM

doglover: that's almost 800,000,000,000 rapes a year the rape culture generates.


And most of them upon on Australian man.

oyster.ignimgs.com
 
2013-02-21 07:08:37 AM
Women!  If there is a penis inside of you, just shoot the man attached to the penis.  If it is a legitimate rape, the weapon will fire.  Guns have a way of misfiring if the rape isn't legitimate.
 
2013-02-21 07:08:45 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: C18H27NO3: I think a woman should be able to defend herself from rape by any means necessary.

Even knocking over a child so the attacker gets the kid first? You're a farking monster.


www.cleverdonkey.com
 
2013-02-21 07:10:01 AM

Amos Quito: Donnchadha: Amos Quito: WASP spray?

That's racist.

Coming from you, that's hilarious


I'm one of the funniest guys on Fark.

Ask anyone.


That's the buzz, anyway.
 
2013-02-21 07:11:06 AM
Why are they leaving the castle in the first place? Y'all need to get a hold of your females.
 
2013-02-21 07:11:20 AM
Well, I read the article and came in here to say something relevant, but after reading my way down the thread: I can't for the life of me remember what the fark I was going to say.

/Thanks. I'm dizzy now. And dumber.
//Now I have to go read The Elegant Universe for half an hour to prevent permanent brain cell death.
///Stop grinning.
 
2013-02-21 07:11:58 AM
What happend to pissing your pants and throwing up? Thats doesnt work now?
 
2013-02-21 07:12:02 AM
Wait. What is this "Rape Culture" that's being bandied about so often here?
 
2013-02-21 07:12:47 AM

HAMMERTOE: Wait. What is this "Rape Culture" that's being bandied about so often here?


Could be one of them fancy yogurts. Like the one with the arrows and the pooping.
 
2013-02-21 07:12:55 AM

jaylectricity: zedster: number of gang bangers

Wait...are we talking about murder or rape?


files.myfrogbag.com

What about arson? And rape?
 
2013-02-21 07:14:57 AM

way south: Officials at the St. Louis County Police Department responded to the story saying it's better to use items for their intended purpose and added it's against federal law to use wasp spray for purposes other than what's listed on the can.

...And here I am, agreeing with the cops.
The mornings off to a weird start.

You are always responsible for your actions, and your attacker is responsible for his.
If he forces you to fight for your life, fark him and the horse he rode in on. Show him the consequences of being a dick.

/If you've got something against guns or killing, get some mace or pony up for a taser.
/Really... bug spray?  How the hell did that get to be a plan?!


Wasp spray; more toxic than Pepper spray, no doubt painful, and may cause permanent blindness
FWW G. Gordon Liddy  used to recommend it.
BTW mace and pepper spray are not the same. Mace is tear gas and is harder to use.
 
2013-02-21 07:17:05 AM
"Wasp spray goes 20 feet and you can really direct it at somebody and it really brings them down,"

If you're needing to spray it 20 feet you may be a tad paranoid. How exactly do you know who's about to rape/attack you at that distance?
 
2013-02-21 07:19:21 AM

Krusty_the_Barbarian: Well, flame me if you wish, but I completely disagree with Frank N Stein: Because an event that last only 30 seconds is not just cause for murder

It's not murder in my eyes. In nature when a predator attacks prey and the prey turns on it and fatally wounds the predator, it's just the way that goes sometimes.
When that rapist attacked he had no care for the the target, and thus deserves no care in return.
And please don't drop to human live is precious. From what I have encountered from traveling to a handful of (I hate the term) third-world countries, a human live isn't worth a dime. There are far to many on the planet who would sell their mothers for a beer.

To quote Texas "Some people just need killin' "


Best damn post in the thread. Wish more people could deal with reality. People should be encouraged to defend themselves. When the shiat hits the fan and all is said and done, typical police involvement is LEO's doing paperwork and such. Police aren't magic fairies buzzing around like guardian angels. Young fellows in Boy Scouts are taught: "Be Prepared". That should be taught to everyone.

IMHO rapists are not mentally well. A person not in a sane mind, or a person willing and able to attack you, should have to take whatever they have coming back at them. Rapists, paedophiles, murderers, politicians and all others who want to oppress you, cause you harm and control you negatively should be dealt with harshly.
 
2013-02-21 07:21:34 AM

jtown: I don't understand the wasp spray angle.  Why that?  I've got a can of bear spray that claims a 35' range in still air.  Seems more effective than their 20' wasp  spray and just as illegal to use to deter humans.



Why need something that sprays 35 feet? Most rapes probably occur at closer range. Unless it's Paul Bunyan or the Jolly Green Giant attacking.
 
2013-02-21 07:23:53 AM
"Wasp spray goes 20 feet and you can really direct it at somebody"

I can see that as being affective if you're running from somebody who has made their intentions clear, but to get it out and shoot someone at 20 feet you have to know by about at least 30 feet their intent.....so unless their wiener is out while running at you screaming "I'M GOING TO RAPE YOU", I don't get the point about the distance.

Then again it seems like we've evolved into a culture that once the sun starts to go down everyone thinks everyone else is going to rape or shoot someone.

/might be true in Chicago
 
2013-02-21 07:24:51 AM

Onkel Buck: What happend to pissing your pants and throwing up? Thats doesnt work now?


fark if I know. If I ever find myself in this "rape culture" everyone is going on about, I guess I better start bleeding all over myself, fumbling for bug spray, all while wearing an unironed pantsuit...oh, and I better confirm if it's "legit" or not, because that will decide the tone of the whole affair to begin with.

I'm starting to wonder if the kitchen really IS the safest place for me, after all...
 
2013-02-21 07:26:00 AM

MNguy: jtown: I don't understand the wasp spray angle.  Why that?  I've got a can of bear spray that claims a 35' range in still air.  Seems more effective than their 20' wasp  spray and just as illegal to use to deter humans.


Why need something that sprays 35 feet? Most rapes probably occur at closer range. Unless it's Paul Bunyan or the Jolly Green Giant attacking.


Most people reach for the herbicide when giant leafy green cock starts chasing them around.
 
2013-02-21 07:26:48 AM
Officials at the St. Louis County Police Department responded to the story saying it's better to use items for their intended purpose and added it's against federal law to use wasp spray for purposes other than what's listed on the can.

Oh well that's nice, sorry women being raped but you'll just have to submit to it or you'll go to jail
 
2013-02-21 07:27:31 AM
Ths stuff works great on rape....kills the roots.
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-21 07:29:06 AM

rogue_L_chick: Onkel Buck: What happend to pissing your pants and throwing up? Thats doesnt work now?

fark if I know. If I ever find myself in this "rape culture" everyone is going on about, I guess I better start bleeding all over myself, fumbling for bug spray, all while wearing an unironed pantsuit...oh, and I better confirm if it's "legit" or not, because that will decide the tone of the whole affair to begin with.

I'm starting to wonder if the kitchen really IS the safest place for me, after all...


All those knives in the kitchen and hot surfaces! I take a gun into my kitchen, well I used too, but I was told to turn it in because I would be even safer that way.
 
2013-02-21 07:29:25 AM

Nuclear Monk: Ths stuff works great on rape....kills the roots.
[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 225x225]


I've always used WD-40
 
2013-02-21 07:29:37 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Officials at the St. Louis County Police Department responded to the story saying it's better to use items for their intended purpose and added it's against federal law to use wasp spray for purposes other than what's listed on the can.

Oh well that's nice, sorry women being raped but you'll just have to submit to it or you'll go to jail


Or, y'know, use a real weapon, which would be legal and more effective.
 
2013-02-21 07:29:51 AM

jaylectricity: Frank N Stein: [oi50.tinypic.com image 515x322]

Why couldn't she have strangled him in his post-coitus nap?


That can't be real, please tell me that's fake
 
2013-02-21 07:30:52 AM
Oddly enough, I have no problem believing that a woman might be in more trouble for using bug spray (or other non-lethal self-defense means) to defend herself than if she used a knife, club, or firearm. Several states in which I have lived have had more regulations for non-lethal devices such as pepper spray or stun guns than on firearms. Want to reduce the number of people carrying firearms? Allow them to carry non-lethal alternatives.

As I mentioned in another rape thread, someone needs to develop a non-lethal spray weapon based on triple-distilled essence of skunk- mixed with neon yellow paint or dye like that used in bank dye packs. Not only will the skunk funk remove both desire and ability to copulate (or even remain in the general area), but the smell and dye will mark the attacker for days.
 
2013-02-21 07:31:07 AM

doglover: Or, y'know, use a real weapon, which would be legal and more effective.


No the whole point of the story is women are afraid of defending themselves with a gun and going to jail for it, so they're using bug spray but then a law enforcement official says they'll still go to jail for using that.
 
2013-02-21 07:32:27 AM
Does it work for rape, rape?
i571.photobucket.com

/Never forget she actually defended that pedo-rapist Polanski
 
2013-02-21 07:32:52 AM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-21 07:35:45 AM
This guy sprays himself in the face with wasp spray all the time. Usualy because he just stuck his bare face in a wasp nest.

cp91278.aetv.com

Feel sorry for the lady who uses pyrethrin wasp spray on an attacker. She'll get raped and smell of crysthanamums after.
 
2013-02-21 07:43:03 AM

Tat'dGreaser: No the whole point of the story is women are afraid of defending themselves with a gun and going to jail for it


Yeah but that's a lie.
 
2013-02-21 07:43:24 AM

I hope all the people advocating the use of wasp spray to deter rape always take the time to explain the "proper" use of the spray.

Still, it's only a matter of time before we see the Fark headline:

WASP sprays own va-jay-jay to deter unwanted sex play

/I'll laugh and laugh and feel bad about the state of humanity and laugh some more.
 
2013-02-21 07:47:09 AM

BronyMedic: Well, false. In every state that has laws allowing the use of concealed firearms in self defense, the fear of impending rape during a physical attack is justification to use lethal force by a CCW holder.

Of course, you better hope that the forensics hold up on that. They CAN tell when you've been faking things.



You mean like when your body doesn't shut that whole thing down because it wasn't legitimate rape?
 
2013-02-21 07:49:10 AM
i can think of 100 things worse than someone putting a penis in your vagina??

i'm sure i can think of 1

nope i can't

vaginas were made for reproduction not for dirty dirty sex
 
2013-02-21 07:50:53 AM

NameDot: BTW mace and pepper spray are not the same. Mace is tear gas and is harder to use.


Gas?
dl.dropbox.com

Point is that, if you're willing to cause harm, you should buy a weapon that harms by approved methods.
If you don't want to create a permanent injury, buy something that's designed with that in mind.

When you improvise you can create all kinds of unintentional issues that the law isn't written to protect you from.
We've got tested and approved technology. Use it.

ReapTheChaos: "Wasp spray goes 20 feet and you can really direct it at somebody and it really brings them down,"

If you're needing to spray it 20 feet you may be a tad paranoid. How exactly do you know who's about to rape/attack you at that distance?


Its possible.
Someone chasing a woman across a parking lot, someone forcing their way into a house, angry/crazy people can make their intentions clear from a pretty good distance.

The 20 foot thing reminds me of the Tueller drill, which proposes than an attacker can cover that distance and maul you before you can pull a gun.   It wasn't an argument against guns so much as justification for why  you might draw on threats who otherwise seem to be a safe distance away.

If the weapon only makes contact in the last five feet when someones charging at you, you're going for a roll in the dirt even if its a successful hit.

/Shootings past twenty feet are very rare.
/But there we go, gambling on statistics.
 
2013-02-21 07:52:20 AM

Onkel Buck: What happend to pissing your pants and throwing up? Thats doesnt work now?


I don't see how pissing your pants and throwing up is going to keep someone from spraying you with wasp spray.  I mean sure, if you shoot them first, that works, but then you're a necrophiliac and that's just wrong.
 
2013-02-21 07:52:32 AM
FTA: South County resident Carol Dickinson hasn't left home without it since buying a can about a month ago.

"I keep a can of wasp spray in my car in the console where the cup holder is," said Dickinson.


Hilarity to ensue in 5, 4, 3, July, August...
 
2013-02-21 07:55:04 AM
"And we keep it right here so if you came to the counter with the cash register I would just get this on you and zap you right in the face,"

Whatever you do, don't go to the counter with the cash register, there's a bad-ass there.
 
2013-02-21 07:56:46 AM

lewismarktwo: Most rapes are women who forgot to say no.


*cough*
Any non-consensual sex can be classified as rape. And yes, that includes them being too intoxicated to say no.

/Studied criminal psych
//Psychopathology of sex offenders makes you hate the world with a passion
 
2013-02-21 07:57:34 AM
Maybe we could just make some places, like schools, rape free zones. Any woman who leaves the area takes her chances.
 
2013-02-21 08:00:24 AM
Women wouldn't have to worry about being raped if they didn't dress like they wanted it.

/compulsory.

Sorry, a dead rapist sans brains is much better than one that you just sprayed with mosquito repellent.
 
2013-02-21 08:00:58 AM

badhatharry: Maybe we could just make some places, like schools, rape free zones. Any woman who leaves the area takes her chances.


i like it

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-21 08:02:43 AM

Legios: lewismarktwo: Most rapes are women who forgot to say no.

*cough*
Any non-consensual sex can be classified as rape. And yes, that includes them being too intoxicated to say no.

/Studied criminal psych
//Psychopathology of sex offenders makes you hate the world with a passion


Just to clarify what I meant was consent is explicit, not implicit.
 
2013-02-21 08:08:06 AM
yes, finally a new smell in the Axe body spray line.

St. Louis Raidpe?
 
2013-02-21 08:10:14 AM

TheOmni: This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists. And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.


Using a gun to prevent a rape will *NOT* land a woman in jail.  That is false, and in fact, I can prove it.  This is Missouri law:

Use of force in defense of persons.
563.031. 1. A person may, subject to the provisions of subsection 2 of this section, use physical force upon another person when and to the extent he or she reasonably believes such force to be necessary to defend himself or herself or a third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful force by such other person, unless:

(1) The actor was the initial aggressor; except that in such case his or her use of force is nevertheless justifiable provided:

(a) He or she has withdrawn from the encounter and effectively communicated such withdrawal to such other person but the latter persists in continuing the incident by the use or threatened use of unlawful force; or

(b) He or she is a law enforcement officer and as such is an aggressor pursuant to section 563.046; or

(c) The aggressor is justified under some other provision of this chapter or other provision of law;

(2) Under the circumstances as the actor reasonably believes them to be, the person whom he or she seeks to protect would not be justified in using such protective force;

(3) The actor was attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of a forcible felony.

2. A person may not use deadly force upon another person under the circumstances specified in subsection 1 of this section unless:


(1) He or she reasonably believes that such deadly force is necessary to protect himself, or herself or her unborn child, or another against death, serious physical injury, or any forcible felony;

Last I checked, rape is a forcible felony.  You can use a gun to defend yourself against a rapist.

Also, there is an economic reason why women are facing this dilemma.

A can of Wasp spray costs under $20.

To get a concealed carry permit in Saint Louis, you need to:
1. take a training class.  The class costs $125 and it takes 8 hours.
2. Apply to the police.  The fee for that is $76.

So, just to get a permit to carry, it's going to cost you a minimum of $201.  That doesn't include the cost of the gun (likely another $200 bare minimum, and more likely double that for a decent carry gun), and of course a couple boxes of ammo, and a holster.  So you're looking at costs of around $600 to $800 just to carry a handgun legally and safely, vs. $20 for a can of wasp spray.

Gee, wonder why the wasp spray is more popular?
 
2013-02-21 08:12:00 AM

Legios: lewismarktwo: Most rapes are women who forgot to say no.

*cough*
Any non-consensual sex can be classified as rape. And yes, that includes them being too intoxicated to say no.

/Studied criminal psych
//Psychopathology of sex offenders makes you hate the world with a passion


What about retroactively removing consent (ie., literally after the act, not during)?  That happens too.
 
2013-02-21 08:13:43 AM
Officials at the St. Louis County Police Department responded to the story saying it's better to use items for their intended purpose and added it's against federal law to use wasp spray for purposes other than what's listed on the can.

"Repels pests"
 
2013-02-21 08:17:49 AM

ReapTheChaos: "Wasp spray goes 20 feet and you can really direct it at somebody and it really brings them down,"

If you're needing to spray it 20 feet you may be a tad paranoid. How exactly do you know who's about to rape/attack you at that distance?


Well in that case, if your attacker is closer than that, a gun in a holster or purse won't exactly help you either. Or all these "guns solve everything" advocates thinking women walk around with their gun in their hands to stop a potential rape at all times?
 
2013-02-21 08:19:02 AM

MNguy: [25.media.tumblr.com image 475x360]


I remember first seeing that episode.  I laughed way too hard at that.

/Dammit Bobby!
 
2013-02-21 08:22:04 AM

dittybopper: TheOmni: This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists. And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.

Using a gun to prevent a rape will *NOT* land a woman in jail.  That is false, and in fact, I can prove it.  This is Missouri law:

Use of force in defense of persons.
563.031. 1. A person may, subject to the provisions of subsection 2 of this section, use physical force upon another person when and to the extent he or she reasonably believes such force to be necessary to defend himself or herself or a third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful force by such other person, unless:

(1) The actor was the initial aggressor; except that in such case his or her use of force is nevertheless justifiable provided:

(a) He or she has withdrawn from the encounter and effectively communicated such withdrawal to such other person but the latter persists in continuing the incident by the use or threatened use of unlawful force; or

(b) He or she is a law enforcement officer and as such is an aggressor pursuant to section 563.046; or

(c) The aggressor is justified under some other provision of this chapter or other provision of law;

(2) Under the circumstances as the actor reasonably believes them to be, the person whom he or she seeks to protect would not be justified in using such protective force;

(3) The actor was attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of a forcible felony.

2. A person may not use deadly force upon another person under the circumstances specified in subsection 1 of this section unless:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such deadly force is necessary to protect himself, or herself or her unborn child, or another against death, serious physical injury, or any forcible felony;

Last I checked, rape is a forcible felony.  You can use a gun to defen ...


I really hate this circumventing the second stuff with the crazy regs and fees and such. Although it's just where we are as a country. I wish I could say it would get better but I doubt that's the case.
 
2013-02-21 08:25:33 AM

dittybopper: So you're looking at costs of around $600 to $800 just to carry a handgun legally and safely, vs. $20 for a can of wasp spray.



Or just get pepper spray for the same price as the wasp spray, which comes with all the same protections under state law as a gun, none of the federal law violations as wasp spray, and zero chance of being charged for causing permanent injury or blindness to anyone within 30 feet.
 
2013-02-21 08:25:49 AM
defend against rape?  NEVAR!!
 
2013-02-21 08:29:08 AM

GAT_00: Amos Quito: I'm one of the funniest guys on Fark.

I've seen plenty of people laughing at you, so sure.


Oh the irony.
 
2013-02-21 08:30:41 AM

Tat'dGreaser: doglover: Or, y'know, use a real weapon, which would be legal and more effective.

No the whole point of the story is women are afraid of defending themselves with a gun and going to jail for it, so they're using bug spray but then a law enforcement official says they'll still go to jail for using that.


Pepper spray is still legal.
 
2013-02-21 08:32:11 AM

doglover: Tat'dGreaser: doglover: Or, y'know, use a real weapon, which would be legal and more effective.

No the whole point of the story is women are afraid of defending themselves with a gun and going to jail for it, so they're using bug spray but then a law enforcement official says they'll still go to jail for using that.

Pepper spray is still legal.


so is eating a slice of cheese pizza
 
2013-02-21 08:33:47 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: I really hate this circumventing the second stuff with the crazy regs and fees and such. Although it's just where we are as a country. I wish I could say it would get better but I doubt that's the case.


Well, in this instance, the cost of training and licensing aren't incredibly out of line for the going average.  In Ohio, the best class I've found is $175 and $67 for the permit.  The cost of the handgun itself is the largest single line item.

However, staying proficient is much more expensive.  Depending what firearm you select, rounds are going to run anywhere from $0.20 to $0.54/round for ball ammo.  Quality defense ammo can run updates of $1/round.  Personally, I've got a .45ACP and if I were to hit the range every other week and put 100 rounds down range, it'd be $1,400 - not counting range time.

/looking into reloading
 
2013-02-21 08:35:09 AM
doglover:Fast Moon: How many documented instances are there of a gun carried outside the home preventing a rape?

Why do prevented rapes have to be documented?

Reported rapes are just the tip of the iceberg. Don't you know that for every rape survivor who bravely re-victimized herself by reporting her assault to the police, ten million go unreported? With 80,000 forcible rapes reported in 2009, that's almost 800,000,000,000 rapes a year the rape culture generates.


I realize this. However, if a shooting is involved, that tends to be much more well-documented, with "I was preventing him from raping me" as the defense. I took the advice from above and Googled "woman shoots rapist". It returns about 2.2 million results, however from browsing the first 10 pages, they're mostly repeats of the same 4-5 incidents, with about 75% of them referring to a single incident in Turkey, and almost all of the American ones dealing with a man breaking into the woman's home.

Whenever the word "rape" comes up, it seems like people immediately envision a woman walking alone in a remote area and being attacked by a man hiding in the dark who was turned on by her skimpy attire, when this type of incident is by far a statistical anomaly. But the majority of our "rape-prevention" suggestions deal primarily with that scenario. I'm all for women defending themselves, but it seems that defense preparation should be more focused on a more common scenario than a dramatic statistical outlier.
 
2013-02-21 08:35:34 AM

doglover: Tat'dGreaser: doglover: Or, y'know, use a real weapon, which would be legal and more effective.

No the whole point of the story is women are afraid of defending themselves with a gun and going to jail for it, so they're using bug spray but then a law enforcement official says they'll still go to jail for using that.

Pepper spray is still legal.


And the point of the story has nothing to do with jail time for the use of a firearm.  There's a passing mention of the responsibilities that come with firearm ownership, but nothing else.
 
2013-02-21 08:36:09 AM

dittybopper: So you're looking at costs of around $600 to $800 just to carry a handgun legally and safely, vs. $20 for a can of wasp spray.

Gee, wonder why the wasp spray is more popular?


Fair enough point.
Not to mention that we're at the peak of the Barakapocalypse firearmageddon (Sorry, I just like saying that).
The country is buying up stock as if it was on war footing, so anything decent is going to be even harder to come by.
 
2013-02-21 08:36:28 AM

TheOmni: This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists. And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.


Actually, in many, if not most states it's quite legal to shoot and kill someone trying to rape you.
 
2013-02-21 08:41:39 AM
Encouraging guns use to stop rapes is as useless as outlawing AR15s to stop mass shootings. Most rapes are committed by someone the victim knows well and trusts or while intoxicated not by a stranger while walking down a dark alley.
 
2013-02-21 08:46:03 AM

Fast Moon: I realize this. However, if a shooting is involved, that tends to be much more well-documented, with "I was preventing him from raping me" as the defense. I took the advice from above and Googled "woman shoots rapist". It returns about 2.2 million results, however from browsing the first 10 pages, they're mostly repeats of the same 4-5 incidents, with about 75% of them referring to a single incident in Turkey, and almost all of the American ones dealing with a man breaking into the woman's home.

Whenever the word "rape" comes up, it seems like people immediately envision a woman walking alone in a remote area and being attacked by a man hiding in the dark who was turned on by her skimpy attire, when this type of incident is by far a statistical anomaly. But the majority of our "rape-prevention" suggestions deal primarily with that scenario. I'm all for women defending themselves, but it seems that defense preparation should be more focused on a more common scenario than a dramatic statistical outlier.

http://www.cato.org/guns-and-self-defense

This site has a map of defensive gun uses.  It leaves a bit to be desired, in terms of explanations of where the data came from, however, if you click on the individual icons, you can get a description of why it's included.

No argument that there are outliers in the numbers.  However, none of that diminishes the point that a women should be allowed to defend herself with whatever means she can afford and choose - just like any other person.  There are lots of things that folks can do to prevent crimes against themselves.  They won't always work, but there's no reason to demonize one.  Explain the pros and cons, let the person decide what they want to go with.
 
2013-02-21 08:46:04 AM

way south: dittybopper: So you're looking at costs of around $600 to $800 just to carry a handgun legally and safely, vs. $20 for a can of wasp spray.

Gee, wonder why the wasp spray is more popular?

Fair enough point.
Not to mention that we're at the peak of the Barakapocalypse firearmageddon (Sorry, I just like saying that).
The country is buying up stock as if it was on war footing, so anything decent is going to be even harder to come by.


I am *SO* stealing that portmanteau.

As for the country buying up stock, this has to be what it felt like during The Powder Alarm.
 
2013-02-21 08:47:25 AM

topcon: TheOmni: This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists. And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.

Actually, in many, if not most states it's quite legal to shoot and kill someone trying to rape you.


Actually, I think it's legal in all 50 states to use deadly force to defend yourself against forcible rape.
 
2013-02-21 08:47:52 AM

doglover: Pepper spray is still legal.


Come on man, at least try and read the article
 
2013-02-21 08:50:10 AM

jaylectricity: Tigger: TheOmni: This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists. And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.

Gun lobbyists ignoring statistically valid outcomes? There's absolutely no evidence for that...

I guess both of you missed the end of the article? The federal law is using bug spray not consistent with its labeling. Nothing to do with guns. NOTHING.


Are you denying that the St. Louis County Police Department is a prominent voice of the "gun lobby"?
 
2013-02-21 08:50:11 AM
I wonder when the first black/brown dude that is just going get their car in a parking garage gets sprayed by some scared white woman?
 
2013-02-21 08:50:36 AM
The government does not grant you the right to defend yourself.  You have natural rights like life, liberty, & the pursuit of happiness. If a government attempts to take away these rights, it is your responsibility to resist.
 
2013-02-21 08:52:48 AM

the ha ha guy: dittybopper: So you're looking at costs of around $600 to $800 just to carry a handgun legally and safely, vs. $20 for a can of wasp spray.


Or just get pepper spray for the same price as the wasp spray, which comes with all the same protections under state law as a gun, none of the federal law violations as wasp spray, and zero chance of being charged for causing permanent injury or blindness to anyone within 30 feet.


Didn't read the article, huh?  The women are carrying the wasp spray because it has a longer range spray than commercially available pepper spray.
 
2013-02-21 08:54:10 AM

BronyMedic: doglover: Rale culture?

Go fark yourself.

STOP RALE CULTURE!

USE CPAP FIRST!



:)


This gave me an irl lol
 
2013-02-21 08:55:55 AM

ronaprhys: looking into reloading


Do it. It's really not that hard. You probably won't save any money but you'll get more ammo for the same cost.

Just be sure to verify a reloading recipe (e.g. quantity and type of powder, primer type, bullet weight, case dimensions, etc.) from at least two independent sources before using it to make sure there wasn't a typo or something. Don't trust reloading recipes from the internet unless you really know what you're doing. You don't want stuff blowing up in your face.

For learning the basics, the Lee Anniversary Kit from Midway is pretty decent. All the major manufacturers have compatible stuff, so you can use an RCBS press with a Lee die, for example.
 
2013-02-21 09:01:32 AM

doglover: Reported rapes are just the tip


I amuse myself.
 
2013-02-21 09:01:53 AM
Hairspray+lighter+aiming for the face=So Mr.Blinded by fire rapey guy and possibly rolling on the ground to put yourself out,now what?
 
2013-02-21 09:02:49 AM

topcon: TheOmni: This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists. And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.

Actually, in many, if not most states it's quite legal to shoot and kill someone trying to rape you.


So if I hear a noise coming from my bathroom and I think it's a burglar/rapist I can go ahead and shoot through the closed bathroom door and kill him/her?
 
2013-02-21 09:03:35 AM

A Terrible Human: Hairspray+lighter+aiming for the face=So Mr.Blinded by fire rapey guy and possibly rolling on the ground to put yourself out,now what?


Yeah, that sounds like a convenient, easy to carry and use defensive weapon.
 
2013-02-21 09:09:17 AM

DrSkeet: If

she was raped, why didn't she try to defend herself?

Said rape culture.
/just for those doubting its existence


If he was mugged, why didn't he try to defend himself?
Said mug culture.

If he was assaulted. why didn't he try to defend himself?
Said assault culture.

If he was burgled, why didn't he try to stop it?
Said Hamburgler culture.
 
2013-02-21 09:17:58 AM

L.D. Ablo: Bear spray is pretty effective, too.

Though I keep a can of chemical stripper handy.  I've accidentally gotten it on myself more than once.

Nasty stuff.  Your skin will burn and peel if you don't wash it off right away.


How often have you been raped ?
If I had to carry a weapon like that constantly Id be considering "maybe the place I am living is worth leaving"

So far it sounds like you have done more injury to yourself than anyone else has.

// Rape is horrible but seriously if you are not being raped you might want to reconsider your choice of accessories. If you are being raped ... sorry to hear that, contact your local police or move away from whatever shiathole you are in
 
2013-02-21 09:21:12 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: doglover: Tat'dGreaser: doglover: Or, y'know, use a real weapon, which would be legal and more effective.

No the whole point of the story is women are afraid of defending themselves with a gun and going to jail for it, so they're using bug spray but then a law enforcement official says they'll still go to jail for using that.

Pepper spray is still legal.

so is eating a slice of cheese pizza


Ideally you could defend yourself with nothing but the calories in a slice of cheese pizza fueling your brain to make wise choices in advance that will keep you safe before you need to consider wasp spray.
 
2013-02-21 09:22:39 AM
Raid: kills thugs dead!
 
2013-02-21 09:22:43 AM

Amos Quito: WASP spray?

That's racist.


t0.gstatic.com

Agrees
 
2013-02-21 09:26:30 AM

dittybopper: Didn't read the article, huh?  The women are carrying the wasp spray because it has a longer range spray than commercially available pepper spray.



Does it? TFA says the wasp spray has a range of 20 feet, and I've literally never seen any decent pepper spray with a range of under 25 feet.

Even looking online, the only spray I can find with a range under 20 feet are the cheap keychain-sized bottles with 2-3 shots, and most of those have a range of 15-20 feet
 
2013-02-21 09:28:16 AM

BronyMedic: Rape is about power, control, and violence.


If that were true, men would just beat up women, not rape them. It would be easier and safer (no risk of STDs, less risk of leaving DNA (or a baby) behind, etc).
 
2013-02-21 09:32:32 AM
So, women can face jail time for defending themselves with bug spray.  Sounds like a damn good reason for them to carry a gun.  Longer range, protected by the constitution, and no one is going to cry that a woman used lethal force to take out a rapist.
 
2013-02-21 09:36:36 AM
It's barely seven bucks, but it makes Ms. X feel a whole lot safer.

That right there is the whole reason the myth of rape culture exists. Who needs facts, experiences, or research when you've got feelings. Clearly anyone who dashes your feelings by saying something like "For ten bucks more you can get the same size can of real pepper spray which totally legal and sprays better." is only trying to rape you.

Ugh, I'm going to be.
 
2013-02-21 09:36:44 AM
What if we just make the rape victim marry the attacker?
 
2013-02-21 09:37:48 AM
Aren't articles like this just political fear-mongering? You'd better carry some sort of weapon because there's a big bad man waiting to rape you around every corner. (So people focus on the question of which weapon to carry instead of focusing on whether or not they realistically need to carry one)

My naive understanding is that the majority of rapes are committed by someone that the victims knows (and trusts, to some degree), or are committed when the victim is incapacitated (too drunk to give consent, etc.). How would a weapon help in those situations?
 
2013-02-21 09:41:01 AM
Wouldn't be particularly worried about stupid LEO comments about it being against Federal Law.

Show me the Federal Prosecutor who is going to file charges against a woman who fought off an attacker using a can of Wasp Spray.
 
2013-02-21 09:41:45 AM

the ha ha guy: dittybopper: Didn't read the article, huh?  The women are carrying the wasp spray because it has a longer range spray than commercially available pepper spray.


Does it? TFA says the wasp spray has a range of 20 feet, and I've literally never seen any decent pepper spray with a range of under 25 feet.

Even looking online, the only spray I can find with a range under 20 feet are the cheap keychain-sized bottles with 2-3 shots, and most of those have a range of 15-20 feet


Plus in a panic situation (like... impending rape) she's going to spray it right in her own face, or at best miss the target by a mile. Mace canisters are usually designed so you can only hold them the one way, making it slightly better than impossible to get on target.
Guns have sights. Just saying.
 
2013-02-21 09:44:29 AM

ph0rk: Yeah, that sounds like a convenient, easy to carry and use defensive weapon.


I never said it was easy to carry. Honestly I just carry a pocket knife with me.
 
2013-02-21 09:47:01 AM

TheOmni: This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists. And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.


Woah... how so? If they have a ccw in no way is that statement true.
 
2013-02-21 09:47:44 AM
This thread bugs me
 
2013-02-21 09:49:38 AM

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Show me the Federal Prosecutor who is going to file charges against a woman who fought off an attacker using a can of Wasp Spray.


You won't find one, mostly because no one is going to fight off an attacker with wasp spray.
 
2013-02-21 09:52:58 AM

WhippingBoy: Aren't articles like this just political fear-mongering? You'd better carry some sort of weapon because there's a big bad man waiting to rape you around every corner. (So people focus on the question of which weapon to carry instead of focusing on whether or not they realistically need to carry one)

My naive understanding is that the majority of rapes are committed by someone that the victims knows (and trusts, to some degree), or are committed when the victim is incapacitated (too drunk to give consent, etc.). How would a weapon help in those situations?


You're right. This whole debate is manufactured by gun advocates so they can point out how superior a gun would be and how it is protected by the Constitution.
 
2013-02-21 09:54:52 AM

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Show me the Federal Prosecutor who is going to file charges against a woman who fought off an attacker using a can of Wasp Spray.



Show me the innocent bystander who is going to refuse to press charges or file a civil suit against the woman who aims the can sideways in a panic and blinds someone stepping out of their car.

Pepper spray might sting for a little while, but at least it doesn't leave permanent damage if everything goes wrong.
 
2013-02-21 10:06:22 AM

the ha ha guy


Show me the innocent bystander who is going to refuse to press charges or file a civil suit against the woman who aims the can sideways in a panic and blinds someone stepping out of their car.


Show me the attacker who is going to commit a dastardly deed when there is someone getting out of a car no more than 20 feet away.
 
2013-02-21 10:18:17 AM

jtown: Because it's against federal law to use any pesticide in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.


I fail to see the issue. It's being used to kill a pest. What else is pesticide for?
 
2013-02-21 10:18:21 AM
Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: One Bad Apple: This won't even go green until tomorrow morning and it's already been derailed from a gun thread to rape culture thread.
I dabbled in rape culture for a bit, after my youth exploring various steampunk and act-like-a-college-professor subcultures.
Interestingly enough, it's extremely offensive in rape culture for the victim to enjoy it. That and don't eat food with your left hand.


Unless they're Japanese.
 
2013-02-21 10:20:22 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: Show me the attacker who is going to commit a dastardly deed when there is someone getting out of a car no more than 20 feet away.


Maybe it's a gang rape and he just texted all his friends to get over there.
 
2013-02-21 10:29:06 AM

BronyMedic: TheOmni: And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.

Well, false. In every state that has laws allowing the use of concealed firearms in self defense, the fear of impending rape during a physical attack is justification to use lethal force by a CCW holder.

Of course, you better hope that the forensics hold up on that. They CAN tell when you've been faking things.


I would think that a woman using a gun on an attacker would be in the exact same position as George Zimmerman.  You have to prove you were being attacked and that you were in danger ... which is going to be hard if the only other person there is dead.
 
2013-02-21 10:30:53 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: so is eating a slice of cheese pizza


And if she's lactose intolerant she could have explosive diarrhea all over her attacker.
 
2013-02-21 10:32:32 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: Show me the attacker who is going to commit a dastardly deed when there is someone getting out of a car no more than 20 feet away.



Whether the intended target actually is an attacker or not is irrelevant. When they convince enough women that rapists are lurking under every rock would rape you in the middle of a crowded grocery store if they could, and they convince these same women to start arming themselves with a long-distance spray that has been known cause permanent blindness, someone is going to get hurt sooner rather than later.

That's not to say a gun would be less harmful, but someone holding a gun would go through the proper training first and less likely to reason "if I'm wrong he can just wash it off and go away". And for those who are scared of guns, pepper spray operates nearly identical to the wasp spray they claim is so much safer, at a similar price, but with no chance of lasting harm to anyone who is sprayed.
 
2013-02-21 10:33:01 AM

jtown: I don't understand the wasp spray angle.  Why that?  I've got a can of bear spray that claims a 35' range in still air.  Seems more effective than their 20' wasp  spray and just as illegal to use to deter humans.

Because it's against federal law to use any pesticide in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.

In case y'all missed it,  that is what the headline means by "violating federal law".  It has nothing at all to do with guns or gun control laws.  It's about the fact that it's illegal to use wasp spray in this manner.


Because spraying a rapist affects interstate or foreign commerce.
 
2013-02-21 10:34:27 AM
BronyMedic:

[24.media.tumblr.com image 400x400]

Interesting, that's the first time I've ever seen "you've flown over the point" instead of "the point flew over you".
 
2013-02-21 10:37:51 AM

heypete: Do it. It's really not that hard. You probably won't save any money but you'll get more ammo for the same cost.

Just be sure to verify a reloading recipe (e.g. quantity and type of powder, primer type, bullet weight, case dimensions, etc.) from at least two independent sources before using it to make sure there wasn't a typo or something. Don't trust reloading recipes from the internet unless you really know what you're doing. You don't want stuff blowing up in your face.

For learning the basics, the Lee Anniversary Kit from Midway is pretty decent. All the major manufacturers have compatible stuff, so you can use an RCBS press with a Lee die, for example.


Agreed - any recipes I use will definitely be verified.  From what I can see, the Lee kit is where I'm headed, though I'm thinking of getting their turret press.  The one with 4 dies.  From there I'll do a bit of best of breed for the ancillary stuff.  It's just the start up costs right now.
 
2013-02-21 10:42:27 AM
Rape has a culture?

Are there special clothes?  Musical traditions?  Rules about appropriate food?
 
2013-02-21 10:43:19 AM
Now that rape is against the law, there shouldn't ever be another one, right?
Laws fix every
 
2013-02-21 10:44:07 AM
I cannot F*CKING believe it, they changed the damn billboard today or yesterday.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2012/05/20/m ot hers_of_homicide_victims_target_violence_with_billboards/

I couldn't even find a picture online.
 
2013-02-21 11:00:43 AM

BronyMedic: Oh, pyrethrums? How creative! Home bug spray has just the perfect concentration to send your attacker into homicidal rage towards your face, while doing nothing to stop legitimate rape.

Leave the roach spray, and bring the radroach spray. 9mm or above.


Tustin PD told me a while back that HotShot Wasp Spray will do the job. The perp may have homicidal rage, but he will have difficulty acting on it 'cause he will be too busy trying to breath. It will put them into toxic shock. The local PDs won't bust you for wasp spray, either, unlike a gun.
 
2013-02-21 11:03:02 AM

doglover: Rape victims are only doubted because of people who make dubious rape claims. Like that Duke scandal.

Killing your attacker, or at least attempting to do so earnestly, adds a hundredweight of credibility to any claims you may have. It might even save your life.


...You're an idiot.

Rape victims are typically doubted because they're in a misogynist culture. In America, doubting rape victims has been brought to the spotlight because the GOP, wanting to deny women abortions, started attacking pregnant rape victims. That is not actually because of false rape claims. That's because of assholes.

Killing\attacking an attacker does  not add credibility if the lawyers are clever, because again, rape victims are typically doubted because of misogyny. Yes, even male rape victims--after all, how can a big strong man get raped, everyone knows that only happens to those weak women.

Seriously, what must it be like to go through life with no idea that sexism exists, much less that it could be you if you get unlucky? God, I would love to be male some days.

/...Well, not really, I like being a girl.
//But so little sexism I can claim some idiocy like that? Yes please.
 
2013-02-21 11:07:15 AM

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Wouldn't be particularly worried about stupid LEO comments about it being against Federal Law.

Show me the Federal Prosecutor who is going to file charges against a woman who fought off an attacker using a can of Wasp Spray.


We're talking about a country with a penchant for prosecuting children as adults for producing child porn of themselves.
 
2013-02-21 11:08:42 AM
Never bring bug spray to a gunfight.
 
2013-02-21 11:10:12 AM

Frank N Stein: jaylectricity: Why couldn't she have strangled him in his post-coitus nap?

Because an event that last only 30 seconds is not just cause for murder.

[oi45.tinypic.com image 640x360]


We could try an actual experiment to test that statement. Let's find someone to violently rape you for 30 seconds, then you can tell us how you feel about it.

Oh, BTW, 30 seconds is an extreme low time. Try 10 or 15 minutes for a more reasonable estimate. Somethings victims are tied up somewhere soundproofed and raped repeatedly for days.

Do you have a cutoff time, before which murder is not the answer, and after which it is? Just wondering. All rhetorical questions, since I doubt that you will respond to them....
 
2013-02-21 11:10:39 AM

the ha ha guy: dittybopper: Didn't read the article, huh?  The women are carrying the wasp spray because it has a longer range spray than commercially available pepper spray.


Does it? TFA says the wasp spray has a range of 20 feet, and I've literally never seen any decent pepper spray with a range of under 25 feet.

Even looking online, the only spray I can find with a range under 20 feet are the cheap keychain-sized bottles with 2-3 shots, and most of those have a range of 15-20 feet


Good point.

What is the law on acquisition in Missouri and in St. Louis?  I know that in my state (NY), there isn't a restriction on owning it, *BUT* you must purchase it at either a licensed gun store or a pharmacy, and you must fill out a registration form, and you can only buy at most 2 cans at a time.

That makes access to it a bit harder.
 
2013-02-21 11:18:59 AM

MythDragon: This guy sprays himself in the face with wasp spray all the time. Usualy because he just stuck his bare face in a wasp nest.

[cp91278.aetv.com image 480x360]

Feel sorry for the lady who uses pyrethrin wasp spray on an attacker. She'll get raped and smell of crysthanamums after.


You should call Tustin PD and correct their misapprehensions.
 
2013-02-21 11:22:47 AM

PsiChick: doglover: Rape victims are only doubted because of people who make dubious rape claims. Like that Duke scandal.

Killing your attacker, or at least attempting to do so earnestly, adds a hundredweight of credibility to any claims you may have. It might even save your life.

...You're an idiot.

Rape victims are typically doubted because they're in a misogynist culture. In America, doubting rape victims has been brought to the spotlight because the GOP, wanting to deny women abortions, started attacking pregnant rape victims. That is not actually because of false rape claims. That's because of assholes.

Killing\attacking an attacker does  not add credibility if the lawyers are clever, because again, rape victims are typically doubted because of misogyny. Yes, even male rape victims--after all, how can a big strong man get raped, everyone knows that only happens to those weak women.

Seriously, what must it be like to go through life with no idea that sexism exists, much less that it could be you if you get unlucky? God, I would love to be male some days.

/...Well, not really, I like being a girl.
//But so little sexism I can claim some idiocy like that? Yes please.


www.lobshots.com
 
2013-02-21 11:31:18 AM

PsiChick: Seriously, what must it be like to go through life with no idea that sexism exists, much less that it could be you if you get unlucky? God, I would love to be male some days.

/...Well, not really, I like being a girl.
//But so little sexism I can claim some idiocy like that? Yes please.


It must be nice to be a little biatch that blames everything on the opposite sex without recognizing all the other ways I benefit from sexism that I choose to ignore.
 
2013-02-21 11:40:13 AM

spiderpaz: PsiChick: Seriously, what must it be like to go through life with no idea that sexism exists, much less that it could be you if you get unlucky? God, I would love to be male some days.

/...Well, not really, I like being a girl.
//But so little sexism I can claim some idiocy like that? Yes please.

It must be nice to be a little biatch that blames everything on the opposite sex without recognizing all the other ways I benefit from sexism that I choose to ignore.


So how does sexism work out for, say, male rape victims? Bet they're just choosing to ignore all the benefits.
 
2013-02-21 11:53:41 AM

PsiChick: spiderpaz: PsiChick: Seriously, what must it be like to go through life with no idea that sexism exists, much less that it could be you if you get unlucky? God, I would love to be male some days.

/...Well, not really, I like being a girl.
//But so little sexism I can claim some idiocy like that? Yes please.

It must be nice to be a little biatch that blames everything on the opposite sex without recognizing all the other ways I benefit from sexism that I choose to ignore.

So how does sexism work out for, say, male rape victims? Bet they're just choosing to ignore all the benefits.


What?  I was just responding to your implication that being a man is so easy because they never get discriminated against.  I know we're in a rape thread here, but that's not what I was talking about.  Clearly the balance is heavily tilted against women on the subject of rape -> Statistically women get raped, and men do the raping, and in the vast majority of cases, they get away with it, and that sucks.

But that doesn't mean all us men who DON'T rape anyone (and actually have a conscience about how we use our penises and deal with the aftermath) have some kind of cushy life where everything is systematically working in our favor.
 
2013-02-21 11:59:20 AM
Official Democrat Position

Abort your child
But don't shoot the rapist
 
2013-02-21 12:22:06 PM

BronyMedic: Oh, pyrethrums? How creative! Home bug spray has just the perfect concentration to send your attacker into homicidal rage towards your face, while doing nothing to stop legitimate rape.

Leave the roach spray, and bring the radroach spray. 9mm or above.


Sigh, Fallout, I need them to release a new one now dammit!
 
2013-02-21 12:52:09 PM
WASP spray!

///Works on Negroes, Asians and Latinos as well

///I'm a card-carrying White Anglo-Saxon Protestant too
 
2013-02-21 01:15:17 PM

spiderpaz: PsiChick: spiderpaz: PsiChick: Seriously, what must it be like to go through life with no idea that sexism exists, much less that it could be you if you get unlucky? God, I would love to be male some days.

/...Well, not really, I like being a girl.
//But so little sexism I can claim some idiocy like that? Yes please.

It must be nice to be a little biatch that blames everything on the opposite sex without recognizing all the other ways I benefit from sexism that I choose to ignore.

So how does sexism work out for, say, male rape victims? Bet they're just choosing to ignore all the benefits.

What?  I was just responding to your implication that being a man is so easy because they never get discriminated against.  I know we're in a rape thread here, but that's not what I was talking about.  Clearly the balance is heavily tilted against women on the subject of rape -> Statistically women get raped, and men do the raping, and in the vast majority of cases, they get away with it, and that sucks.

But that doesn't mean all us men who DON'T rape anyone (and actually have a conscience about how we use our penises and deal with the aftermath) have some kind of cushy life where everything is systematically working in our favor.


No, I implied that men are usually discriminated against in what we consider positive ways--higher wages, less expectations, etc.--and that therefore, if you tend not to be hugely empathetic, which some people aren't, it's very easy to forget that misogyny exists and has serious consequences for  both genders.

As far as rape goes, part of the reason for those statistics is that until I think about five years ago, female-on-male or male-on-male rape was not legally considered rape. That, again, traces back to misogyny. What you're complaining about, that men are considered predators? That originated in misogyny--a woman's job is to 'tame' a man, it goes as far back as  Gilgamesh--but it's also used today as a way for Muslim and Christian fundies (and probably other religions) to explain why women have to dress modestly, stay in the kitchen, and generally be someone's b*tch.

It's very easy to forget that misogyny is a problem if you're a man, because there are mild amounts of misandry aimed at you and a lot of  positive (or what we pretend is positive, I don't see how being expected to want to lay around playing COD instead of being expected to have goals and a career is positive myself, but whatever) effects from misogyny. That causes serious problems in almost every arena of life. Pretending that it doesn't--or that women somehow  benefit from it--is farking insane.

/Seriously, I'm stunned you think women benefit at all from misogyny. What, the man paying for a date somehow makes up for a lifetime of low wages, being seen as representative of your gender no matter what you do, being expected to 'civilize' a man, being called a frigid biatch for not dating stalkers, and all the other shiat that comes with it?
 
2013-02-21 01:16:16 PM

badhatharry: The government does not grant you the right to defend yourself.  You have natural rights like life, liberty, & the pursuit of happiness. If a government attempts to take away these rights, it is your responsibility to resist.


But if government actions legitimately attempt to take away your rights, the body has ways to shut that whole thing down.
 
2013-02-21 01:29:54 PM

PsiChick: No, I implied that men are usually discriminated against in what we consider positive ways--higher wages, less expectations, etc.--and that therefore, if you tend not to be hugely empathetic, which some people aren't, it's very easy to forget that misogyny exists and has serious consequences for  both genders.


How exactly do you "know" how easy it is to be a man?
 
2013-02-21 01:37:47 PM

PsiChick: Seriously, I'm stunned you think women benefit at all from misogyny. What, the man paying for a date somehow makes up for a lifetime of low wages, being seen as representative of your gender no matter what you do, being expected to 'civilize' a man, being called a frigid biatch for not dating stalkers, and all the other shiat that comes with it?


So you're replacing sexism with misogyny hoping nobody will notice now.  I can see the level of intellectual dishonesty I'm dealing with here.

If you don't think the legal system, and family court specifically discriminates against men, and favors women (especially white women), you've been living under a rock, or you're completely deluded.

Also ... the fact that women statistically make less than men isn't necessarily because they're being discriminated against.  There are a lot of other factors you're choosing to ignore, so that you can blame discrimination for women's problems.
 
2013-02-21 01:45:23 PM

davidphogan: Amos Quito: [img.21food.com image 576x720]
Fight back with 100% pure Rape Spray!

/Made in Germany (of course)

I hate to admit it, but you are funny sometimes.


You're not the only one.

Thanks!


:-)
 
2013-02-21 02:31:04 PM

WhippingBoy: PsiChick: No, I implied that men are usually discriminated against in what we consider positive ways--higher wages, less expectations, etc.--and that therefore, if you tend not to be hugely empathetic, which some people aren't, it's very easy to forget that misogyny exists and has serious consequences for  both genders.

How exactly do you "know" how easy it is to be a man?


It is pretty obvious that she is right. If men had it so rough then the government programs for combatting problems like domestic violence and homelessness would apply to them as well instead of being for women and children. The family courts would stop screwing them over too. Real men are self-sufficient and don't deserve any help even if they say that they need it.
 
2013-02-21 02:43:41 PM

WhippingBoy: PsiChick: No, I implied that men are usually discriminated against in what we consider positive ways--higher wages, less expectations, etc.--and that therefore, if you tend not to be hugely empathetic, which some people aren't, it's very easy to forget that misogyny exists and has serious consequences for  both genders.

How exactly do you "know" how easy it is to be a man?


She's got a degree in Womyn'z Studies, that's how.
 
2013-02-21 02:44:17 PM

spiderpaz: If you don't think the legal system, and family court specifically discriminates against men, and favors women (especially white women), you've been living under a rock, or you're completely deluded.

Also ... the fact that women statistically make less than men isn't necessarily because they're being discriminated against.  There are a lot of other factors you're choosing to ignore, so that you can blame discrimination for women's problems.


The fact that men fair worse in some family court situations is not necessarily because they're being discriminated against.  There are a lot of other factors you're choosing to ignore so that you can blame discrimination for men's problems.
 
2013-02-21 02:56:34 PM

DrSkeet: If she was raped, why didn't she try to defend herself?

Said rape culture.
/just for those doubting its existence


Wait... rape culture can talk now?? We're all farked.
 
2013-02-21 03:00:41 PM

heili skrimsli: WhippingBoy: PsiChick: No, I implied that men are usually discriminated against in what we consider positive ways--higher wages, less expectations, etc.--and that therefore, if you tend not to be hugely empathetic, which some people aren't, it's very easy to forget that misogyny exists and has serious consequences for  both genders.

How exactly do you "know" how easy it is to be a man?

She's got a degree in Womyn'z Studies, that's how.


I doubt she has a degree yet. I'd say either first year or second year University student taking a healthy does of gender studies, psychology, and sociology courses. Almost no critical thinking skills (so anything her professors tell her becomes the unassailable truth), with a low-average IQ. Someone with middle to upper class privilege who filters everything so that it reinforces her static, bigoted world view.
 
2013-02-21 03:03:32 PM
I want to be clear about this.  I have never attacked anyone.  Much less a woman.  I have never raped anyone.  I have never punched a woman, or a man that didn't swing first.

I will beat the ever loving shiat out of anyone that so much as points a can of raid at me.
 
2013-02-21 03:17:38 PM

Graffito: The fact that men fair worse in some family court situations is not necessarily because they're being discriminated against. There are a lot of other factors you're choosing to ignore so that you can blame discrimination for men's problems.


So you mean it is exactly like the "pay gap"? That never stopped anyone from claiming discrimination before.
 
2013-02-21 03:19:14 PM

WhippingBoy: heili skrimsli: WhippingBoy: PsiChick: No, I implied that men are usually discriminated against in what we consider positive ways--higher wages, less expectations, etc.--and that therefore, if you tend not to be hugely empathetic, which some people aren't, it's very easy to forget that misogyny exists and has serious consequences for  both genders.

How exactly do you "know" how easy it is to be a man?

She's got a degree in Womyn'z Studies, that's how.

I doubt she has a degree yet. I'd say either first year or second year University student taking a healthy does of gender studies, psychology, and sociology courses. Almost no critical thinking skills (so anything her professors tell her becomes the unassailable truth), with a low-average IQ. Someone with middle to upper class privilege who filters everything so that it reinforces her static, bigoted world view.


You're probably right. The last time I dealt with such attitudes on a regular basis was when I was still in university myself. Fortunately for me the attempts to indoctrinate me by telling me how 'biased' the hard sciences are didn't work because I had more than just those 'unassailable' truths to go on, and I never became a member of the hive.

Although there are those who never progress past it even though they're well into their thirties. One of them even uses a moniker containing the word 'chick'...
 
2013-02-21 03:21:46 PM

Schroedinger's Glory Hole: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I give all the women in my life the same rape tip: go to a dialect coach and learn how to speak with some kid of New England accent, be it Boston, CT, or Mainer. Then if you ever encounter a rapist, just start talking in said accent. Not even the most excited rapist could maintain arousal in the face of that audible assault.

There are no accents in Connecticut you filthy, lying sonofabiatch.  It's the dickheads that surround us that ignore their "r"s. Everyone in the nation should speak like a Nutmegger, the rest of you sound like you've got orange thermos in your mouth.


Punkin, I'm from NY and I only have an accent when I say "coffee." All my "r"s are where they belong and not in words like "wash" or "Pizza"
 
2013-02-21 03:26:22 PM

umad: Graffito: The fact that men fair worse in some family court situations is not necessarily because they're being discriminated against. There are a lot of other factors you're choosing to ignore so that you can blame discrimination for men's problems.

So you mean it is exactly like the "pay gap"? That never stopped anyone from claiming discrimination before.


No.  I'm saying that the men's rights whingers are not looking at the big picture.  They are certain that discrimination against them is real whilst discrimination against women is not.
 
2013-02-21 03:27:45 PM

heili skrimsli: WhippingBoy: heili skrimsli: WhippingBoy: PsiChick: No, I implied that men are usually discriminated against in what we consider positive ways--higher wages, less expectations, etc.--and that therefore, if you tend not to be hugely empathetic, which some people aren't, it's very easy to forget that misogyny exists and has serious consequences for  both genders.

How exactly do you "know" how easy it is to be a man?

She's got a degree in Womyn'z Studies, that's how.

I doubt she has a degree yet. I'd say either first year or second year University student taking a healthy does of gender studies, psychology, and sociology courses. Almost no critical thinking skills (so anything her professors tell her becomes the unassailable truth), with a low-average IQ. Someone with middle to upper class privilege who filters everything so that it reinforces her static, bigoted world view.

You're probably right. The last time I dealt with such attitudes on a regular basis was when I was still in university myself. Fortunately for me the attempts to indoctrinate me by telling me how 'biased' the hard sciences are didn't work because I had more than just those 'unassailable' truths to go on, and I never became a member of the hive.

Although there are those who never progress past it even though they're well into their thirties. One of them even uses a moniker containing the word 'chick'...


Yeah, it's basically a phase everyone goes through in their first few of years of University. Most people tend to grow out of it once they mature a bit.
 
2013-02-21 03:30:30 PM

PsiChick: spiderpaz: PsiChick: spiderpaz: PsiChick: Seriously, what must it be like to go through life with no idea that sexism exists, much less that it could be you if you get unlucky? God, I would love to be male some days.

/...Well, not really, I like being a girl.
//But so little sexism I can claim some idiocy like that? Yes please.

It must be nice to be a little biatch that blames everything on the opposite sex without recognizing all the other ways I benefit from sexism that I choose to ignore.

So how does sexism work out for, say, male rape victims? Bet they're just choosing to ignore all the benefits.

What?  I was just responding to your implication that being a man is so easy because they never get discriminated against.  I know we're in a rape thread here, but that's not what I was talking about.  Clearly the balance is heavily tilted against women on the subject of rape -> Statistically women get raped, and men do the raping, and in the vast majority of cases, they get away with it, and that sucks.

But that doesn't mean all us men who DON'T rape anyone (and actually have a conscience about how we use our penises and deal with the aftermath) have some kind of cushy life where everything is systematically working in our favor.

No, I implied that men are usually discriminated against in what we consider positive ways--higher wages, less expectations, etc.--and that therefore, if you tend not to be hugely empathetic, which some people aren't, it's very easy to forget that misogyny exists and has serious consequences for  both genders.

As far as rape goes, part of the reason for those statistics is that until I think about five years ago, female-on-male or male-on-male rape was not legally considered rape. That, again, traces back to misogyny. What you're complaining about, that men are considered predators? That originated in misogyny--a woman's job is to 'tame' a man, it goes as far back as  Gilgamesh--but it's also used today as a way for Muslim and Christ ...


oh man, I remember when I was young, idealistic and utterly wrong about everything.  Good times.
 
2013-02-21 03:31:13 PM

Graffito: So if I hear a noise coming from my bathroom and I think it's a burglar/rapist I can go ahead and shoot through the closed bathroom door and kill him/her?


Hey it's effective. He didn't get raped did he? Another rape prevented.
 
2013-02-21 03:36:13 PM

FunkOut: "Would YOU rape this woman? Statistics say NO!"


Actually, it's more likely because she's old.  Rape of old ladies is very rare.

In fact, the age profile of female rape victims is kind of weird compared to other violent crime.  For pretty much all violent crimes except rape, the age of the victim peaks in the early 20's, then falls in a linear fashion with age.

Rape is different.

It peaks in the late teens/early 20's, like the others, but by the mid 20's it drops to a "plateau", until right about the expected time of menopause, when it drops like a rock to almost none.

That suggests to me that there is a sexual component to rape, and that it's not *SOLELY* about power over the victim.   If it were, then the profile should match other violent crime like murder, aggravated assault, and robbery.
 
2013-02-21 03:39:18 PM

Graffito: umad: Graffito: The fact that men fair worse in some family court situations is not necessarily because they're being discriminated against. There are a lot of other factors you're choosing to ignore so that you can blame discrimination for men's problems.

So you mean it is exactly like the "pay gap"? That never stopped anyone from claiming discrimination before.

No.  I'm saying that the men's rights whingers are not looking at the big picture.  They are certain that discrimination against them is real whilst discrimination against women is not.


So exactly like "women's rights whingers" then.
 
2013-02-21 04:17:21 PM

dittybopper: FunkOut: "Would YOU rape this woman? Statistics say NO!"

Actually, it's more likely because she's old.  Rape of old ladies is very rare.

In fact, the age profile of female rape victims is kind of weird compared to other violent crime.  For pretty much all violent crimes except rape, the age of the victim peaks in the early 20's, then falls in a linear fashion with age.

Rape is different.

It peaks in the late teens/early 20's, like the others, but by the mid 20's it drops to a "plateau", until right about the expected time of menopause, when it drops like a rock to almost none.

That suggests to me that there is a sexual component to rape, and that it's not *SOLELY* about power over the victim.   If it were, then the profile should match other violent crime like murder, aggravated assault, and robbery.


Um, no. It reflects the fact that children and teenagers (girls and boys) are more vulnerable to rape than older people. Many of the perpetrators are family members or family friends. Or other adult authorities, like teachers.
 
2013-02-21 04:33:06 PM
Of course rape is a sexual crime. It's literally forcible sex.
 
2013-02-21 05:00:59 PM

ParaHandy: But it's still OK to cap a punk kid for being black and in your housing estate?

/ Skittles


It's in my CC&R's.
 
2013-02-21 06:22:43 PM
Snopes did it a few years back....http://www.snopes.com/crime/prevent/waspspray.asp
 
2013-02-21 06:29:33 PM

doglover: Jon iz teh kewl: doglover: Tat'dGreaser: doglover: Or, y'know, use a real weapon, which would be legal and more effective.

No the whole point of the story is women are afraid of defending themselves with a gun and going to jail for it, so they're using bug spray but then a law enforcement official says they'll still go to jail for using that.

Pepper spray is still legal.

so is eating a slice of cheese pizza

Ideally you could defend yourself with nothing but the calories in a slice of cheese pizza fueling your brain to make wise choices in advance that will keep you safe before you need to consider wasp spray.


also who would violate a woman eating a greasy slice of cheese pizza no one.  serves as a repellant!
 
2013-02-21 06:31:51 PM
The problem with this argument is that, at 20 ft., most rapists haven't announced their intention, so these women will be randomly spraying the homeless guy who wants a dollar, the black guy, the guy with long hair and just about anyone else.

A better version of mace would be combined mace and air horn with a built in 911 call.  Actually, I saw a clever jacket once that had a built in Taser effect on the outside, with a deadman switch in the pocket.  You see someone suspicious, you are the deadman, and if you let go (because say, they grab you) it zaps them.  Another good idea would be a panic button on cell phones so your camera automatically starts filming and an announcement blares out that the video is being sent to the local police department with your 911 call.

Of course, the problem with all that, even the deadman switch, is most of the time, you'll get grabbed before you know what happened, with overwhelming force.  The only time a self-defense weapon will be really useful unless you are very well trained is if you hear someone breaking into your house, or someone is refusing to leave the store as you lock up.  At home, statistics say you are way more likely to accidentally (or 'accidentally') shoot a family member sneaking in late.  It's usually better to lock yourself in another room and call 911.
 
2013-02-21 07:05:53 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Um, no. It reflects the fact that children and teenagers (girls and boys) are more vulnerable to rape than older people. Many of the perpetrators are family members or family friends. Or other adult authorities, like teachers.


You didn't check my link, did you?  It's to victim age statistics for violent crimes, from the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

Your statement doesn't explain why the pattern deviates so radically from other violent crime, nor does it adequately explain why it drops to near zero after menopause.
 
2013-02-21 07:11:36 PM

dittybopper: nor does it adequately explain why it drops to near zero after menopause.


Because any woman getting sex after menopause ain't complaining!
 
2013-02-21 08:16:26 PM

MNguy: jtown: I don't understand the wasp spray angle.  Why that?  I've got a can of bear spray that claims a 35' range in still air.  Seems more effective than their 20' wasp  spray and just as illegal to use to deter humans.


Why need something that sprays 35 feet? Most rapes probably occur at closer range. Unless it's Paul Bunyan or the Jolly Green Giant attacking.


Construction workers who whistle at passersby are rapists.
 
2013-02-21 08:25:58 PM

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Wouldn't be particularly worried about stupid LEO comments about it being against Federal Law.

Show me the Federal Prosecutor who is going to file charges against a woman who fought off an attacker using a can of Wasp Spray.


The law in question is enforced by the EPA and state environmental agencies.  It's intended to prevent pollution by inappropriate applications of regulated pesticides.  The criminal penalty for a private person is up to $1000 and/or 30 days in Club Fed.  It will never be used against a woman defending herself.
 
2013-02-21 08:29:52 PM

spiderpaz: BronyMedic: TheOmni: And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.

Well, false. In every state that has laws allowing the use of concealed firearms in self defense, the fear of impending rape during a physical attack is justification to use lethal force by a CCW holder.

Of course, you better hope that the forensics hold up on that. They CAN tell when you've been faking things.

I would think that a woman using a gun on an attacker would be in the exact same position as George Zimmerman.  You have to prove you were being attacked and that you were in danger ... which is going to be hard if the only other person there is dead.


No, that's the easiest scenario.
 
2013-02-21 08:33:24 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Of course rape is a sexual crime. It's literally forcible sex.


That word, "forcible," has caused a lot of controversy.
 
2013-02-22 03:01:16 AM

TheOmni: This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists. And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.


What? Yeah, I don't think so.
 
2013-02-22 07:26:19 AM

HoratioGates: At home, statistics say you are way more likely to accidentally (or 'accidentally') shoot a family member sneaking in late. It's usually better to lock yourself in another room and call 911.


I'm glad I don't get my self defense advice from someone whose advice is 'Just don't.'

Those 'statistics' you refer to are the dishonest results of a poorly done study that not even its author stands behind today. Arthur Kellermann is the Andrew Wakefield of the gun control lobby.
 
2013-02-22 08:07:00 AM

jaylectricity: dittybopper: nor does it adequately explain why it drops to near zero after menopause.

Because any woman getting sex after menopause ain't complaining!


You've obviously never had sex with a woman after she's gone into menopause.

/distaffbopper went into premature menopause about 20 years ago.
 
2013-02-22 01:09:43 PM

heili skrimsli: Those 'statistics' you refer to are the dishonest results of a poorly done study that not even its author stands behind today. Arthur Kellermann is the Andrew Wakefield of the gun control lobby.


Citation please?
 
2013-02-22 03:30:22 PM

HoratioGates: heili skrimsli: Those 'statistics' you refer to are the dishonest results of a poorly done study that not even its author stands behind today. Arthur Kellermann is the Andrew Wakefield of the gun control lobby.

Citation please?


Arthur Kellermann's assertion that someone is 43 times more likely to be killed with a firearm if they have one in their home is one he no longer supports. After two more studies, he now claims it's 2.7 times more likely, not 43 times.

But the original number is still very often cited by anti-gun lobbyists.
 
2013-02-24 04:46:47 AM

heili skrimsli: Arthur Kellermann's assertion that someone is 43 times more likely to be killed with a firearm if they have one in their home is one he no longer supports. After two more studies, he now claims it's 2.7 times more likely, not 43 times.

But the original number is still very often cited by anti-gun lobbyists.


That's still not a citation.  I'd also argue that 2.7, or anything over 1.0, is still a pretty compelling reason not to keep guns around for self-defense.  It would also be nice if the NRA would support allowing better studies instead of lobbying against CDC studies on gun violence.  You could break out numbers and see if that reflects average gun users or includes 'nuts', adjust for the increased lethality in gun suicides, and all other sorts of useful information if, you know, we actually funded some studies.

You can also argue, although I don't many gun owners would agree, that sometimes, in the bigger picture, it's better to let someone run out of the store with the cash.  Not all 'justified' shootings are necessary (as the extremes in stand your ground law craziness demonstrates pretty well).  Again, that would be something nice to see broken down in a real study.

I was pretty pro-gun rights until recently (although not a gun enthusiast).  It wasn't looking up homicide rates differences from country to country that changed my mind- it was seeing how rabidly many gun rights activists resist even studying the problem, to the point that the studies don't get funded.  This is why we can't have nice things, like a Steyr AMR with a night scope and a ghillie suit with lead lined Superman Underoos and a tin foil hat and a LAW rocket for the government mind control waves and tanks.
 
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