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(GameTrailers)   Playstation 4 revealed in New York. Hot Pockets expected to see record shortages worldwide   (gametrailers.com) divider line 197
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2013-02-20 08:22:59 PM  
So no more Cell processor, instead a consumer grade x86 processor. Bright move Sony.
 
2013-02-20 08:26:57 PM  

WhyteRaven74: So no more Cell processor, instead a consumer grade x86 processor. Bright move Sony.


Well, the developers biatched up a storm about having to program on the Cell.
 
2013-02-20 08:30:11 PM  

Mentat: Well, the developers biatched up a storm about having to program on the Cell.


That's because Sony didn't bother offering much in the way of guidance and basically said they weren't going to tell them how to do stuff when it launched.
 
2013-02-20 08:31:00 PM  
No backwards compatibility, no care.

/still working on PS2 games
 
2013-02-20 08:34:06 PM  
I visited a couple of various liveblogs about it and got halfw... Zzzzzzzzz. sorry, drifted off.

Hey! isn't Archer on tonight?
 
2013-02-20 08:52:47 PM  

WhyteRaven74: So no more Cell processor, instead a consumer grade x86 processor. Bright move Sony.


I love how they made it seem like using standard PC parts in a console was a revolutionary concept. Wasn't that the whole point behind the original X-Box?
 
2013-02-20 08:57:57 PM  
I saw some things that were a little interesting but nothing that blew my socks off.  Still concerned about the used games element though.  Also, the price is still pending.  Overall, I will give it  a wait and see approach for now.

Final score: C
 
2013-02-20 09:13:03 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: No backwards compatibility, no care.

/still working on PS2 games


I played all of three games on the PS3 and two of those were versions of Rock Band.  It's a hell of a blu-ray player, though.

/LBP
//never have liked the controller...
 
2013-02-20 09:15:04 PM  

NeoCortex42: Wasn't that the whole point behind the original X-Box?


Pretty much
 
2013-02-20 09:25:23 PM  
The Steam Box will conquer all!

cdn2.sbnation.com
 
2013-02-20 09:31:13 PM  
a freaking "share" button on the controller?
 
2013-02-20 09:35:20 PM  
Doesn't "revealed" imply people actually saw one?

Link
 
2013-02-20 10:09:41 PM  

WhyteRaven74: So no more Cell processor, instead a consumer grade x86 processor. Bright move Sony.


This

Your console is now a PC

msnbcmedia.msn.com
 
2013-02-20 10:13:12 PM  
Literally nothing to see.
 
2013-02-20 10:13:24 PM  

cretinbob: WhyteRaven74: So no more Cell processor, instead a consumer grade x86 processor. Bright move Sony.

This

Your console is now a PC

[msnbcmedia.msn.com image 631x351]


Wow and the PC I built two years ago is already better.... probably cheaper too
 
2013-02-20 10:16:11 PM  

cretinbob: This

Your console is now a PC

msnbcmedia.msn.com


If only PC gaming weren't dead.

Oh wait, it isn't.
 
2013-02-20 10:17:16 PM  
No wireless, less space than a nomad, lame.
 
2013-02-20 10:20:27 PM  
This just in: Sony reinvents the mini-ITX PC architecture.  Just with a restrictive BIOS and OS.
 
2013-02-20 10:24:20 PM  
The only even remotely interesting aspect to this thing is its use of DDR5, which means a huge channel for data transfers between the APU (graphics) and CPU cores. Standard PCs will have that in another year or two anyway, and beyond that the proposed AMD processor is decidedly modest by current standards.

All of that means that PC gaming is looking at at least another five or six years of being retarded (in its actual, literal definition) by console hardware.
 
2013-02-20 10:27:03 PM  
Surprised by the amount of hate in this thread. I'm actually pretty excited to see where they go from here. Being able to stream games to your Vita (or hopefully other mobile devices since, well, who owns a Vita) is interesting. The whole 'Share' aspect is appealing to me, but I also have friends I can pass clips back and forth with. Demoing the first hour of any game is awesome.

The presentation was an E3 quality show. Lots of details, lots of info, and a surprisingly large amount of gameplay footage.

/never owned a Sony product
//was a NES kid back in the day
///primarily a PC gamer now
 
2013-02-20 10:28:03 PM  
Meh...
I am underwhelmed by their progress.
 
2013-02-20 10:29:50 PM  

Beerguy: The Steam Box will conquer all!

[cdn2.sbnation.com image 850x566]


All I see in that picture.
NSFW
http://i.imgur.com/Uxk5FtH.jpg
 
2013-02-20 10:29:59 PM  

5 star chef of tv dinners: Still concerned about the used games element though.


img.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-20 10:31:33 PM  
Does this mean that the console wars can begin again on alt.games.video.*?

/blig merk, we need you now more than ever
 
2013-02-20 10:32:07 PM  
The most interesting thing about this is that it heralds the death of the console as we've known it and cements the future dominance of the glorious PC master race.
 
2013-02-20 10:33:05 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Mentat: Well, the developers biatched up a storm about having to program on the Cell.

That's because Sony didn't bother offering much in the way of guidance and basically said they weren't going to tell them how to do stuff when it launched.


No, it's because programming for the Cell was akin to competing against an asian autistic kid in accurately reproducing Mozart on the piano. Pointless, confusing and at the end of the day, you gained very little in the process.
 
2013-02-20 10:34:00 PM  
Also

img.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-20 10:36:48 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: The most interesting thing about this is that it heralds the death of the console as we've known it and cements the future dominance of the glorious PC master race.


I'll be happy if it puts an end to bad port jobs from console to PC.
 
2013-02-20 10:37:18 PM  

5 star chef of tv dinners: I saw some things that were a little interesting but nothing that blew my socks off.  Still concerned about the used games element though.  Also, the price is still pending.  Overall, I will give it  a wait and see approach for now.

Final score: C


I think its cute you believe that games will continue to be delivered via physical media.  That Gamestop you love so much?  In a year or two that space will be full of halloween costumes or christmas trees.
 
2013-02-20 10:39:08 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: The most interesting thing about this is that it heralds the death of the console as we've known it and cements the future dominance of the glorious PC master race.


The very same PC that is dying off?
 
2013-02-20 10:40:08 PM  

gingerjet: J. Frank Parnell: The most interesting thing about this is that it heralds the death of the console as we've known it and cements the future dominance of the glorious PC master race.

The very same PC that is dying off?


Oh Jeebus, can we PLEASE not do this?
 
2013-02-20 10:40:18 PM  

gingerjet: 5 star chef of tv dinners: I saw some things that were a little interesting but nothing that blew my socks off.  Still concerned about the used games element though.  Also, the price is still pending.  Overall, I will give it  a wait and see approach for now.

Final score: C

I think its cute you believe that games will continue to be delivered via physical media.  That Gamestop you love so much?  In a year or two that space will be full of halloween costumes or christmas trees.


One can only hope
 
2013-02-20 10:40:35 PM  

gingerjet: J. Frank Parnell: The most interesting thing about this is that it heralds the death of the console as we've known it and cements the future dominance of the glorious PC master race.

The very same PC that is dying off?


Netcraft Confirms it?

/feels old just typing that.
 
2013-02-20 10:41:03 PM  
And nothing revealed really appeals to me.

Sorry, I play games for my enjoyment, not for sharing videos of my gameplay with anyone/everyone. I could care less about the sharability of myself or my gameplay. I care about the quality of the game I play, and my ability to at least recoup some of the cost for a game that I am either done with or found lackluster compared to reviews or expectations (aliens: colonial marines, anyone?).

Lack of release date, pricing, or more detailed specs makes having your own press conference kind of pointless.
 
2013-02-20 10:41:49 PM  
Would have been nice to have a comments thread during the well publicized press conference. The sports tab get wrestling and champions league and we geeks can't get a comments thread for major console releases?
 
2013-02-20 10:42:02 PM  

Beerguy: The Steam Box will conquer all!


SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY
 
rpm
2013-02-20 10:46:23 PM  

msupf: Sorry, I play games for my enjoyment, not for sharing videos of my gameplay with anyone/everyone. I could care less about the sharability of myself or my gameplay. I care about the quality of the game I play, and my ability to at least recoup some of the cost for a game that I am either done with or found lackluster compared to reviews or expectations (aliens: colonial marines, anyone?).


This. Messages popping up on screen? Sharing? Automatically gets friends lists? I hope you can turn all that shiat off with one option, because I don't want anything to do with it.

Want Second Son, iffy on Witness, most of the other stuff I don't care about one whit.
 
2013-02-20 10:46:34 PM  

Sinister Plans: Would have been nice to have a comments thread during the well publicized press conference. The sports tab get wrestling and champions league and we geeks can't get a comments thread for major console releases?


Why?  I mean I'd be all for it except for the fact it would devolve into a PC trollfest within minutes.
 
2013-02-20 10:47:03 PM  
I see no future in streaming games, which seems to be a big part of the backwards compatibility. Watching the damn live conference was horrible and I can't imagine having a ton of users on Sony's servers. Not to mention there just isn't enough bandwidth (yet) for this to be worth while. Graphics on streaming games = no good.

I can't wait until Nintendo's offerings at e3. New 1st party titles that will be worth while.

Hoping that Valve actually creates and releases the steam box, as well. That will be awesome not only for console gamers, but huge for PC gamers as well.
 
2013-02-20 10:49:19 PM  

Cyno01: No wireless, less space than a nomad, lame.


It has wireless (b/g/n), and the didn't announce storage space.

Have any more bright comments you'd like to make?
 
2013-02-20 10:49:50 PM  
A lot of the social networking aspects were lame, but I did like some of the game reveals.   I'm most curious about this one:

Deep Down (working title)

Thought it was a pre-rendered cinematic at first, but you can see the HUD.  I can't figure out if it's an action adventure game or what.  I thought that maybe it was Dragon's Dogma 2 (Deep Down / Dragon's Dogma), but the email thing at the end threw me off.
 
2013-02-20 10:50:16 PM  

Flappyhead: Sinister Plans: Would have been nice to have a comments thread during the well publicized press conference. The sports tab get wrestling and champions league and we geeks can't get a comments thread for major console releases?

Why?  I mean I'd be all for it except for the fact it would devolve into a PC trollfest within minutes.


Kind of like the sports threads...

But beyond that I'm sure there would be done interesting talk. There was some interesting technical quirks to talk about as well as the game trailers. The Blizzard time would have been awesome reaction post time. I think it would have been entertaining to reactively respond and talk about the event while it was live.

And honestly is this thread much better than what you'd expect during the event?
 
2013-02-20 10:52:10 PM  
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but wouldnt the system being x86 limit it to only using about 4 gigs of ram at a time?
 
2013-02-20 10:52:16 PM  
I've never been a playstation person, always was happy with my PC/Xbox/Nintendo whatever, but I'm seriously considering picking up a PS3 for Ni No Kuni and The Last of Us.
 
2013-02-20 10:52:46 PM  

gingerjet: J. Frank Parnell: The most interesting thing about this is that it heralds the death of the console as we've known it and cements the future dominance of the glorious PC master race.

The very same PC that is dying off?


you're adorable
 
2013-02-20 10:53:33 PM  

miniflea: I've never been a playstation person, always was happy with my PC/Xbox/Nintendo whatever, but I'm seriously considering picking up a PS3 for Ni No Kuni and The Last of Us.


Ni No Kuni is AMAZING.
 
2013-02-20 10:53:36 PM  
I don't think I'm going to get the next Sony system.

Graphically, this is going to be similar to the new Xbox and I like the controller and the few exclusives that MS has in their pocket.
So I think I'm going to go with 1 system next gen and that's going to be the Xbox (whatever).

Plus, the kids have fun with the Kinect (thanks to Double Fine). So an improved system with Kinect 2 built in and those better MS designed Controllers are the win for me.
 
2013-02-20 10:55:21 PM  

Meethos: Someone correct me if I am wrong, but wouldnt the system being x86 limit it to only using about 4 gigs of ram at a time?


Sure, but no game really uses more than that yet, even with Windows eating up some.

/still bought 8gigs of RAM like everyone else
 
2013-02-20 10:55:29 PM  
Diablo 3 to PS4

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
 
2013-02-20 10:56:03 PM  

gingerjet: 5 star chef of tv dinners: I saw some things that were a little interesting but nothing that blew my socks off.  Still concerned about the used games element though.  Also, the price is still pending.  Overall, I will give it  a wait and see approach for now.

Final score: C

I think its cute you believe that games will continue to be delivered via physical media.  That Gamestop you love so much?  In a year or two that space will be full of halloween costumes or christmas trees.


meh.  I do my share of downloading games but physical media is still king right now.  I do rather enjoy just occasionally sweeping gamestop for a lower price random game.  I found some true gems doing that.  It would be nice if they didn't ban used games but it's coming and there isn't anything I can (or anyone else) can do about it.  I honestly don't get the gamestop hate on fark.  Sure, some people have bad experiences but I have a really nice store near me I go to.
 
2013-02-20 10:57:33 PM  

miniflea: I've never been a playstation person, always was happy with my PC/Xbox/Nintendo whatever, but I'm seriously considering picking up a PS3 for Ni No Kuni and The Last of Us.


Last of Us looks amazing. Hopefully for your sake the Ps3 drops in price first.

I'd also suggest the Uncharted Series. Seriously those games are excellent
 
2013-02-20 10:57:40 PM  

Sinister Plans: miniflea: I've never been a playstation person, always was happy with my PC/Xbox/Nintendo whatever, but I'm seriously considering picking up a PS3 for Ni No Kuni and The Last of Us.

Ni No Kuni is AMAZING.


That's what everyone says, and from what I've seen it's true.  Problem is I really shouldn't be dropping a few hundred bucks on videogames just now.
 
2013-02-20 10:58:33 PM  

5 star chef of tv dinners: meh. I do my share of downloading games but physical media is still king right now.


Anyone who has had to reformat their corrupted PS3 drive would be hard pressed to disagree.

Jesus, that took forever to get everything back on there.
 
2013-02-20 10:58:36 PM  

star_topology: Diablo 3 to PS4

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL


I had the same reaction, I don't think that's what they were going for.  I loved how they talked about redesigning the interface and controls to make them simpler.

/"Never been easier to play."
 
2013-02-20 10:59:45 PM  

Sinister Plans: miniflea: I've never been a playstation person, always was happy with my PC/Xbox/Nintendo whatever, but I'm seriously considering picking up a PS3 for Ni No Kuni and The Last of Us.

Ni No Kuni is AMAZING.


Sigh.

I really should pick that up.
 
2013-02-20 11:02:21 PM  

Sinister Plans: Ni No Kuni is AMAZING.


As someone who doesn't play JRPGs (watched a friend play it this last weekend), I was amused at how much like Dragon Age: Origins the core gameplay was. Then, I remembered all the controversy back when the latter was released about how the "Tactics" system was stolen wholesale from JRPGs.
 
2013-02-20 11:07:15 PM  
Just farting out of my mouth here, but you know what I'd love to see in a console?

- Officially sanctioned homebrew software and games
- No paid license required to run your own code on your console
- Inbuilt media center with support for pirate-friendly formats, and easy integreation with network file shares/external HDD's
- Easily swappable HDD bay
- Less cocking around with profiles and such - if only I had like a card or some widget with an RFID chip or something which I could plug into the controller and it would have my saves/profile on it.
- Free online multiplayer service (cost is quite prohibitive in Australia, although I believe it has gone down recently)
- TV, and TV recording

Of course, there's just too much greed involved so nothing like that will ever happen.
 
2013-02-20 11:07:19 PM  
I was hoping we could divorce console gaming and facebook.  I honestly don't know what I care about the least, requests for facebook games, or friends who post their console game accomplishments on facebook for all to see.

Count me in as one who is concerned about the ability to play used games on the PS4.  As for the comment someone made above about games not remaining forever on physical media, PS3 game disks are 50 gb.  First, I don't want to have to download an entire library of 50 gb plus games.  Secondly, I hate the idea of spending $60 for a non-physical game that I have to download first and could lose if something happened to my PS4.  The death of used games on the next gen game consoles would kill Gamestop as they would lose the only thing keeping them competitive with Walmart and other retail chains, and the reasoning that software companies are using, saying that Gamestop is making billions reselling used games and not cutting the software companies in on those profits is retarded.  That's no different than saying that all pawn shops owe movie companies money each time someone buys a pre-owned movie, or saying that when I bought my car from the used car dealership that the dealership owed Nissan a cut of the money.
 
kab
2013-02-20 11:09:45 PM  

star_topology: Diablo 3 to PS4

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL


Makes perfect sense really... dumb down the control scheme a bit, and it would be an absolutely perfect console game.

As far as the PS4 goes, from slashgear:

While the PlayStation 4 won't natively have backwards compatibility with PlayStation 3 games, it will definitely have it through the Gaikai cloud-gaming service

So it can't play PS3 games, but if you're willing to pay for the same content twice, well maybe it can.
 
2013-02-20 11:15:25 PM  
Sony decided to go with beast mode.

Sure it similar to PC architecture, but thats what Dev's really, really want to cut down costs and time.  It really isn't thought, because a closed system allows you to code to the hardware, not just the API's and spending countless hours making sure it runs ok on a billion different iterations of hardware (which then need their own damn patches anyways).  Sony uses PSGL and LibGCM, but really pushes for devs to go down to the metal.

That means you get a hell of a lot more bang for your buck on hardware that PC's can't, assuming the Dev's put in the time.

8GB on a console is total overkill though.  Seems to be insurance + their plans for lots of multitasking, video recording and instant on / resume.  But damn, even then...
 
2013-02-20 11:15:46 PM  

Meethos: Someone correct me if I am wrong, but wouldnt the system being x86 limit it to only using about 4 gigs of ram at a time?


Mainstream x86 CPUs have been 64-bit since about 2005.
 
2013-02-20 11:16:47 PM  
I love my PS3, but I doubt I'll be making the making the move to 4. Here's hoping Steambox comes to fruition.
 
2013-02-20 11:26:24 PM  
I think the Steambox is a cool concept.

But the name makes me think of a box of poop that steams when I pull the lid off.

/Cleveland Steambox.
 
2013-02-20 11:26:48 PM  

msupf: And nothing revealed really appeals to me.

Sorry, I play games for my enjoyment, not for sharing videos of my gameplay with anyone/everyone. I could care less about the sharability of myself or my gameplay. I care about the quality of the game I play, and my ability to at least recoup some of the cost for a game that I am either done with or found lackluster compared to reviews or expectations (aliens: colonial marines, anyone?).

Lack of release date, pricing, or more detailed specs makes having your own press conference kind of pointless.


Did you read any of the reviews for that game? I was hyped up as the next person, but only one reviewer gave it a positive review and he was eviscerated in the comments. Even the usual AAA game shills tore it apart, most questioning if it was actually a finished product. Hell IGN just put an article up about whether they (the developers) lied with their preview screenshots, or "bullshots".

/have there been any photos of the PS4, or prices?
 
2013-02-20 11:29:25 PM  
Watched it, was just as disappointed as most of you. Im not moving to 4.

I just want it to come out already so i can pick up a PS3 for dirt cheap.
 
2013-02-20 11:32:00 PM  

likefunbutnot: The only even remotely interesting aspect to this thing is its use of DDR5, which means a huge channel for data transfers between the APU (graphics) and CPU cores. Standard PCs will have that in another year or two anyway, and beyond that the proposed AMD processor is decidedly modest by current standards.

All of that means that PC gaming is looking at at least another five or six years of being retarded (in its actual, literal definition) by console hardware.



Yeah, but at least it'll be retarded at a higher level finally... My machine isn't the top-of-the line hardware on the market and yet it still is crazy overpowered for any of the latest games. I actually miss needing to upgrade every year or two now because it means graphics also haven't advanced all that much for quite a while now.
 
2013-02-20 11:35:08 PM  
I'm a huge PS3 fanboy, and I have to admit this was a huge letdown.

They didn't show the system, didn't set a price point, didn't explain how backwards compatibility via streaming will work, didn't show any killer launch titles or IPs, didn't address the used games lockout issue, and focused on the "social media" bullsh*t. If I want to deal with social media, i'll go on f*cking Facebook.Don't build up hype for two weeks unless you're going to bring out the big guns, Sony. This was like promising a 12 hour f*ck marathon and delivering a half-assed handjob.
 
2013-02-20 11:37:06 PM  

MaestroQuark: Cyno01: No wireless, less space than a nomad, lame.

It has wireless (b/g/n), and the didn't announce storage space.

Have any more bright comments you'd like to make?


Aww a cute little newbie.

Fyi: woosh
 
2013-02-20 11:37:45 PM  

echoshizzle: Hoping that Valve actually creates and releases the steam box, as well. That will be awesome not only for console gamers, but huge for PC gamers as well.


As soon as Valve releases Half Life 2 episode 3 I'll give a flying fark about Steambox. :)
 
2013-02-20 11:37:51 PM  

Znuh: I think the Steambox is a cool concept.

But the name makes me think of a box of poop that steams when I pull the lid off.

/Cleveland Steambox.



I don't care if they name the damn thing the "Fartbox Jebadiah Prime Ponyrapist" - I'll still want one. I've got plenty of games I've purchased through Steam... To have access to all of them and any new ones I buy through Steam too AND in a form factor that fits nicely under my TV? Sign me the fark up. I can't wait for Valve to finally settle on hardware for it.
 
2013-02-20 11:39:24 PM  
At least they showed the next inFamous, but that was already a given.

Would have been nice to see a more specific release date other than "Holiday 2013"
 
2013-02-20 11:41:24 PM  
So, a couple of notes...

1) The digital focus and de-epmasis of actual discs is going to cut traditional retailers out of the picture. Why would GameStop or Best Buy want to sell a PS4 when you're never coming back for the games? Now, this could be the plan: cutting out the traditional middle-man. Note the partnership with Amazon video. If Sony sold the PS4 through Amazon and had consoles for sale in stores like Target and Wal-Mart that don't rely on actual game sales to help drive store, profits, I could see this gamble playing off for Sony. Of course, it would be the death-knell for Best Buy and Game Stop.

2) Sony could be creating a similar situation with the video game industry that the music industry has: limited exposure of independent titles. The 'predictability' function of the PS4 sounds nice, but it's going to stymie creation of games that aren't in pre-defined niches. How would you describe a game like 'Catherine'? Or 'Katamari Damanci'? Innovative independent games could become overlooked by obscurity the same way that a lot of indie bands are overlooked because they don't fit corporate playlists.

3) The social networking situation seems to be the best of a bad situation. Being able to keep anonymous gamer tags while still having your 'real' ID and social network for contacting and sharing with your real-life friends is a good compromise instead of just eliminating gaming tags completely.

4) Secondary processor for downloading and updating while playing: very nice

5) Cloud network for PS 1-3 titles: very nice solution for the demands for backwards compatibility
 
2013-02-20 11:42:40 PM  

scottydoesntknow: msupf: And nothing revealed really appeals to me.

Sorry, I play games for my enjoyment, not for sharing videos of my gameplay with anyone/everyone. I could care less about the sharability of myself or my gameplay. I care about the quality of the game I play, and my ability to at least recoup some of the cost for a game that I am either done with or found lackluster compared to reviews or expectations (aliens: colonial marines, anyone?).

Lack of release date, pricing, or more detailed specs makes having your own press conference kind of pointless.

Did you read any of the reviews for that game? I was hyped up as the next person, but only one reviewer gave it a positive review and he was eviscerated in the comments. Even the usual AAA game shills tore it apart, most questioning if it was actually a finished product. Hell IGN just put an article up about whether they (the developers) lied with their preview screenshots, or "bullshots".

/have there been any photos of the PS4, or prices?




Oh, I canceled my pre-order well in advance of release, but I know a lot of unhappy people right now. It's even funnier watching randy pitchford ignoring the problems with the game and upset consumers on twitter. If you believed him, the game is a smash hit.

Right now I'm playing ni-no kuni, and loving it. The game actually makes me feel good when I've finished playing it. The music alone is worth a good chunk of the price of the game.
 
2013-02-20 11:44:48 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: 5) Cloud network for PS 1-3 titles: very nice solution for the demands for backwards compatibility


Assuming you dont mind paying for them again.. right?
 
2013-02-20 11:48:58 PM  

msupf: scottydoesntknow: msupf: And nothing revealed really appeals to me.

Sorry, I play games for my enjoyment, not for sharing videos of my gameplay with anyone/everyone. I could care less about the sharability of myself or my gameplay. I care about the quality of the game I play, and my ability to at least recoup some of the cost for a game that I am either done with or found lackluster compared to reviews or expectations (aliens: colonial marines, anyone?).

Lack of release date, pricing, or more detailed specs makes having your own press conference kind of pointless.

Did you read any of the reviews for that game? I was hyped up as the next person, but only one reviewer gave it a positive review and he was eviscerated in the comments. Even the usual AAA game shills tore it apart, most questioning if it was actually a finished product. Hell IGN just put an article up about whether they (the developers) lied with their preview screenshots, or "bullshots".

/have there been any photos of the PS4, or prices?



Oh, I canceled my pre-order well in advance of release, but I know a lot of unhappy people right now. It's even funnier watching randy pitchford ignoring the problems with the game and upset consumers on twitter. If you believed him, the game is a smash hit.

Right now I'm playing ni-no kuni, and loving it. The game actually makes me feel good when I've finished playing it. The music alone is worth a good chunk of the price of the game.


Haha good, just makin sure. God that game just looked pathetic. I've been meaning to check ni-no kuni, but saving money right now for Bioshock: Infinite. I hope that's as good as it looks.
 
2013-02-20 11:49:42 PM  

timujin: The My Little Pony Killer: No backwards compatibility, no care.

/still working on PS2 games

I played all of three games on the PS3 and two of those were versions of Rock Band.  It's a hell of a blu-ray player, though.

/LBP
//never have liked the controller...


AC and I never had a problem with the controller. I hate the Xbox controller (and the Wii remotes) but I must agree: it's a great BD player and stream box with Playon.
 
2013-02-20 11:55:08 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: So, a couple of notes...

1) The digital focus and de-epmasis of actual discs is going to cut traditional retailers out of the picture. Why would GameStop or Best Buy want to sell a PS4 when you're never coming back for the games? Now, this could be the plan: cutting out the traditional middle-man. Note the partnership with Amazon video. If Sony sold the PS4 through Amazon and had consoles for sale in stores like Target and Wal-Mart that don't rely on actual game sales to help drive store, profits, I could see this gamble playing off for Sony. Of course, it would be the death-knell for Best Buy and Game Stop.

2) Sony could be creating a similar situation with the video game industry that the music industry has: limited exposure of independent titles. The 'predictability' function of the PS4 sounds nice, but it's going to stymie creation of games that aren't in pre-defined niches. How would you describe a game like 'Catherine'? Or 'Katamari Damanci'? Innovative independent games could become overlooked by obscurity the same way that a lot of indie bands are overlooked because they don't fit corporate playlists.

3) The social networking situation seems to be the best of a bad situation. Being able to keep anonymous gamer tags while still having your 'real' ID and social network for contacting and sharing with your real-life friends is a good compromise instead of just eliminating gaming tags completely.

4) Secondary processor for downloading and updating while playing: very nice

5) Cloud network for PS 1-3 titles: very nice solution for the demands for backwards compatibility


As to point/comment 5: that is not a solution unless there is a way to verify you have a physical copy of a game and it allows you to then get the digital version for free. I have quite a few ps 1-3 games that I still own, and would see having to pay for all that content again just so I could play it from a 'cloud' to be a deal-breaker. Unless there is accommodation for owners of physical copies of content, it is neither a solution, or nice.

And as for the social networking aspect: blow that for a game of soldiers. I honestly couldn't care less about sharing my gameplay videos, let alone making them for others. I usually avoid the big social games because honestly, people suck at fair play and sportsmanship. Sure, I get suckered into something every now and then thinking it will be different, and then I am reminded of why I only play online with a very small group of people, and why MMOs are the trolling grounds of the young or infantile of mind.

Heck, I can rarely go into a public Borderlands 2 game without my blood pressure wanting to spike, and that's only 3 other people at best.
 
2013-02-20 11:55:25 PM  

mongbiohazard: Znuh: I think the Steambox is a cool concept.

But the name makes me think of a box of poop that steams when I pull the lid off.

/Cleveland Steambox.


I don't care if they name the damn thing the "Fartbox Jebadiah Prime Ponyrapist" - I'll still want one. I've got plenty of games I've purchased through Steam... To have access to all of them and any new ones I buy through Steam too AND in a form factor that fits nicely under my TV? Sign me the fark up. I can't wait for Valve to finally settle on hardware for it.


I think that is the best villain name I've ever heard.
 
2013-02-21 12:02:24 AM  

echoshizzle: I see no future in streaming games, which seems to be a big part of the backwards compatibility. Watching the damn live conference was horrible and I can't imagine having a ton of users on Sony's servers. Not to mention there just isn't enough bandwidth (yet) for this to be worth while. Graphics on streaming games = no good.

I can't wait until Nintendo's offerings at e3. New 1st party titles that will be worth while.

Hoping that Valve actually creates and releases the steam box, as well. That will be awesome not only for console gamers, but huge for PC gamers as well.


Christ, the PS store bareful functions on a fast network connection as is. It's slow, and it's not only shiatty servers, it's the PS itself being bogged down a godawful interface/system.

It's worrisome that the developers who own and created the hardware can't write something that doesn't run worse than hammered inbred shiat.
 
2013-02-21 12:08:16 AM  
I love that touchpad on the controller -- it almost looks like a photoshop of some pixels slapped in there it is so bad looking.  And really out of place.
 
2013-02-21 12:28:30 AM  
The albatross in this announcement (IMO) is the gamers argument to his / her non-gaming SO for buying this thing.

The PS2 was a DVD player when not every household had one. PS3 was similar for BluRay and streaming and other format movies. With this announcement they missed any killer app for those who need to sell a non gamer on the product.

That said they could figure out a combo DVR/cable box combo for this system that would help sales right off the bat. But yeah that wasn't there.
 
2013-02-21 12:29:26 AM  
Eh, I'm done with gaming by-and-large once media starts being delivered primarily through downloads unless one of two things happens:

- We pass legislation that allows me to actually own that downloaded game so that I can trade it, re-sell it, etc. rather than just paying for a license to play the game.

- Game prices go WAY down to reflect the fact that I am essentially renting the game rather than buying it.

Otherwise, there are thousands of games that I can play that I can also actually own. I can wait a couple of years for GTA VII to be put on Steam for five or ten bucks during a sale. That's about how much a game is worth to me if I don't actually own it.
 
2013-02-21 12:30:02 AM  

MisterTweak: ey! isn't Archer on tonight?


That's Thursday night I believe. One night too early. :(
 
2013-02-21 12:32:11 AM  
PS2>PS3 was a huge leap.  I'm thinking we're starting to see diminishing returns kicking in.
 
2013-02-21 12:43:26 AM  

azmoviez: The albatross in this announcement (IMO) is the gamers argument to his / her non-gaming SO for buying this thing.

The PS2 was a DVD player when not every household had one. PS3 was similar for BluRay and streaming and other format movies. With this announcement they missed any killer app for those who need to sell a non gamer on the product.

That said they could figure out a combo DVR/cable box combo for this system that would help sales right off the bat. But yeah that wasn't there.


I don't remember the last time I played a game on my PS3.  I use mine mostly for Hulu, Netflix and the BluRay player.  Lacking a next generation media format to follow BluRay for Sony to use is going to hurt the PS4.

But I will admit that using BluRay on the PS4 is still a smarter move than the rumors that the Xbox 720 will be using HD DVD.
 
2013-02-21 12:47:04 AM  

mongbiohazard: I'll still want one. I've got plenty of games I've purchased through Steam... To have access to all of them and any new ones I buy through Steam too AND in a form factor that fits nicely under my TV? Sign me the fark up.


cdn.overclock.net

Dell's been selling the Alienware x51 for a long time

/expensive, but it exists. and has steam pre-loaded
 
2013-02-21 12:49:17 AM  

azmoviez: That said they could figure out a combo DVR/cable box combo for this system that would help sales right off the bat. But yeah that wasn't there.


A buddy of mine has his Xbox setup as some sort of Windows Media Center (he works for MSFT so I'm not sure if this is something that all of them do).  Anyway it is really pretty nice DVR and tv guide.  The netflix client is like 11x better than the PS3 one.

Without that killer feature (DVD / BluRay) Sony better watch out that MSFT will take over the home entertainment system.
 
2013-02-21 12:52:30 AM  

Sinister Plans: miniflea: I've never been a playstation person, always was happy with my PC/Xbox/Nintendo whatever, but I'm seriously considering picking up a PS3 for Ni No Kuni and The Last of Us.

Ni No Kuni is AMAZING.


Ni No Kuni is incredibly beautiful, but I am 2 hours in so far and wondering when all the tutorials are going to end. Older games by the same developers don't dumb this stuff down nearly as hard. It's an RPG, just let me run around and explore things.
 
2013-02-21 12:54:56 AM  
Someoen needs to cut in the Rubio water grab in this vid. Metzen did not look happy to make this announcement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6H309NrwvIs
 
2013-02-21 12:56:00 AM  

spamdog: Just farting out of my mouth here, but you know what I'd love to see in a console?

- Officially sanctioned homebrew software and games
- No paid license required to run your own code on your console
- Inbuilt media center with support for pirate-friendly formats, and easy integreation with network file shares/external HDD's
- Easily swappable HDD bay
- Less cocking around with profiles and such - if only I had like a card or some widget with an RFID chip or something which I could plug into the controller and it would have my saves/profile on it.
- Free online multiplayer service (cost is quite prohibitive in Australia, although I believe it has gone down recently)
- TV, and TV recording

Of course, there's just too much greed involved so nothing like that will ever happen.


What you basically want is an Ouya with more functionality.  Good luck with that.
 
2013-02-21 12:59:17 AM  

Beerguy: The Steam Box will conquer all!

[cdn2.sbnation.com image 850x566]


Yeah, those Piston boxes you see there are priced at $1000 to start, and that's without any upgrades.  So no, it's not conquering anything with that pricetag.
 
2013-02-21 01:06:01 AM  

FuryOfFirestorm: I'm a huge PS3 fanboy, and I have to admit this was a huge letdown.

They didn't show the system, didn't set a price point, didn't explain how backwards compatibility via streaming will work, didn't show any killer launch titles or IPs, didn't address the used games lockout issue, and focused on the "social media" bullsh*t. If I want to deal with social media, i'll go on f*cking Facebook.Don't build up hype for two weeks unless you're going to bring out the big guns, Sony. This was like promising a 12 hour f*ck marathon and delivering a half-assed handjob.


Dude, this was a by-invitation-only event just for Sony.  It's about 9 months from when the console's going to be released, and both E3 and TGS are between now and release.

Did you honestly think Sony was going to completely blow their wad on the PS4 there and save nothing for the rest of the year?  They admitted it exists, showed specs, talked about what was on it, and gave a vague idea of when it's coming.  Now people are talking about it... mission accomplished.

Plus... this is them softballing it back to Microsoft.  They're gonna wait for Microsoft to unveil their next console and get a definitive street date and price.  Sony wants them to give specifics first so they can stay competitive.
 
2013-02-21 01:09:35 AM  

quiotu: What you basically want is an Ouya with more functionality. Good luck with that.


I don't see what's so unrealistic about it.
 
2013-02-21 01:12:56 AM  
msupf:


I agree that there has to be some concession made to owners of physical disks, and ideally, it should be free. All of this is contingent (as I see it) on how unique the PS 1-3 game discs are. If each disc has a unique serial code, then there's no reason why the could service shouldn't be free. Now, make no mistake that Sony will try to squeeze every last drop of money out of it, so there's more than likely going to be a charge. But, if they do a huge discount for owners of a physical disc, I'd be willing to pay maybe $0.50 for PS1, $1.50 for PS2, and $3 for PS3 titles I own being transferred to the cloud, while people without the disc pay, say, $5 for PS1, $15 for PS2, and $25 for PS3.

As to the the social networking issue, I'm with you in that I don't normally play with anyone outside of my known circle of friends  so it's not a big deal for me. However, it looks like Sony has learned from the mistake Blizzard made when they tried to force implement the Real ID system a few years back. There are plenty of valid reasons for having an anonymous gamer tag, such as female gamers who don't want to be stalked because they have to show their real name to play in a multiplayer gamer where microphones aren't generally used. While I agree that there are massive amounts of immature tools playing MMO's and FPS's, I have made a few solid friendships via those kinds of games by chatting with some fellow players.
 
2013-02-21 01:14:12 AM  
On the used games thing:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-sony-tells-eurogamer-pl ay station-4-will-not-block-used-games

Sony Worldwide Studios boss Shuhei Yoshida says it will play them fine.

As for tonights event?  They showed enough to get me interested, but i'll be waiting to see things like price, launch list, etc, before I throw down for that pre-order.  If it doesn't have what i'm looking for at launch, i've no issue waiting on a purchase.
 
2013-02-21 01:15:42 AM  

echoshizzle: Last of Us looks amazing. Hopefully for your sake the Ps3 drops in price first.


I had been wanting to buy a PS3 for a long time (already had the Wii and Xbox 360 since launch). Picked one up during this previous black Friday for $199, including Uncharted 1 & 2. I can't friggn' wait for The Last of Us.
 
2013-02-21 01:20:01 AM  

spamdog: quiotu: What you basically want is an Ouya with more functionality. Good luck with that.

I don't see what's so unrealistic about it.


Are you talking about what you're asking for, or are you talking about the Ouya itself?  The top half of your requests are already given on the Ouya, but I'd like to see if the device works long term or not.  Ouya's basically getting ported versions of smartphone games, so it's not doing anything spectacular.

The problem lies in people able to do whatever they want with the hardware, firmware, and the programs they buy and download.  Thousands of hackers and pirates working on this hardware in tandem... it's either going to show what white hats can truly do when working together, or it's going to turn into the Lament Configuration... and show you all why you can't have nice things.
 
2013-02-21 01:24:53 AM  
It'll play used games is good but no backwards capability unless you stream it pissed me off. So far, I'll need to wait for the price, the launch games & release date to be announced at E3 to see if I'll pull the trigger. 2nd Son & Killzone look sweet while Watch Dogs looks insane. Nice to see the Vita actually has a use again with Remote Play but a new Move game? Nope.

/Bioshock has Move why?
 
2013-02-21 01:34:15 AM  
I watched it and it was the best demonstration of how the all cut scenes in your new games will look.
 
2013-02-21 01:52:19 AM  

spamdog: - Officially sanctioned homebrew software and games


What's interesting is that homebrew stuff was a big deal in Japan for ages in part because developer decks were sold like regular consoles in Japan. Though with the advent of Android consoles, there's two on the way, get something where not only do you get homebrew those games have the means to sell a ton of copies if they're good.
 
2013-02-21 02:02:43 AM  

quiotu: Did you honestly think Sony was going to completely blow their wad on the PS4 there and save nothing for the rest of the year?  They admitted it exists, showed specs, talked about what was on it, and gave a vague idea of when it's coming.  Now people are talking about it... mission accomplished.


Except most of the talk has been negative. You have a point about Sony not overplaying their hand, but they needed to focus more on games and less on "social media". Showing more awesome exclusives would have made the two week hype worth it, at least.
 
2013-02-21 02:10:43 AM  

inglixthemad: timujin: The My Little Pony Killer: No backwards compatibility, no care.

/still working on PS2 games

I played all of three games on the PS3 and two of those were versions of Rock Band.  It's a hell of a blu-ray player, though.

/LBP
//never have liked the controller...

AC and I never had a problem with the controller. I hate the Xbox controller (and the Wii remotes) but I must agree: it's a great BD player and stream box with Playon.


And I love the Xbox controller, it fits my hand really well.  The Playstation controller just seems to get swallowed.  Maybe I just haven't played enough games on it, I never did find anything that made me keep coming back the way the Xbox games did.  A lot of that wasn't because the games were exclusive or anything, but because of the multiplayer experience.  Hell, again, it could have been better on the PS3, but I was already invested and my brain is too feeble to master two consoles.
 
2013-02-21 02:12:37 AM  
i46.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-21 02:44:35 AM  
Nobody has mentioned Square-Enix announced a Final Fantasy game for the PS4.  If they did there would be the "PLEASE let it be a Final Fantasy VII remake, because that is the only way they are going to bring back the prestige of the series" and the "... who the fark cares anymore" people.
 
2013-02-21 02:45:40 AM  

Meethos: Someone correct me if I am wrong, but wouldnt the system being x86 limit it to only using about 4 gigs of ram at a time?


x86 these days is actually x86-64 (aka AMD64), which is 64-bit.  What x86 functionally means is that (in theory), you could take any x86 executable (like Microsoft Word) and run it on this machine, and that the exact same executable could be used for PC and PS4.

/Remember the whole Linux on the PS3 thing?  I give it 6 months after launch until mostly functional PS4 Linux, regardless of what Sony wants.
//key words there is "in theory".
 
2013-02-21 02:50:30 AM  

Beerguy: The Steam Box will conquer all!

[cdn2.sbnation.com image 850x566]


You might as well just get a console and call it a day. That box start at $499 and can add up to $999 plus no mention on who's going to create aftermarket parts/upgrades of that size
 
2013-02-21 02:55:09 AM  

Tax Boy: mongbiohazard: I'll still want one. I've got plenty of games I've purchased through Steam... To have access to all of them and any new ones I buy through Steam too AND in a form factor that fits nicely under my TV? Sign me the fark up.

[cdn.overclock.net image 850x542]

Dell's been selling the Alienware x51 for a long time

/expensive, but it exists. and has steam pre-loaded


Screw alienware.  I bought an m17x a while back.  Still using it.  Guess what?  I can't use drivers from Nvidia.  I gotta use dell's site.  Something about Nvidia not supporting the onboard video blah blah blah.  So check the dell site and dig up the 280m drivers for the m17x.

They're from 2010.  Oh, and dell support tells me, "There's no need to use updated drivers."

So, yeah.  Go ahead and enjoy alienware.  Let us know how it works out.
 
2013-02-21 03:02:09 AM  
If the PlayStation 4 doesn't sell 250 million units in its first month, I am going to be sorely disappointed.
 
2013-02-21 03:10:02 AM  

Cpl.D: Tax Boy: mongbiohazard: I'll still want one. I've got plenty of games I've purchased through Steam... To have access to all of them and any new ones I buy through Steam too AND in a form factor that fits nicely under my TV? Sign me the fark up.

[cdn.overclock.net image 850x542]

Dell's been selling the Alienware x51 for a long time

/expensive, but it exists. and has steam pre-loaded

Screw alienware.  I bought an m17x a while back.  Still using it.  Guess what?  I can't use drivers from Nvidia.  I gotta use dell's site.  Something about Nvidia not supporting the onboard video blah blah blah.  So check the dell site and dig up the 280m drivers for the m17x.

They're from 2010.  Oh, and dell support tells me, "There's no need to use updated drivers."

So, yeah.  Go ahead and enjoy alienware.  Let us know how it works out.




Ugh, hate Alienware. With the passion of a thousand burning suns.
Crap systems to work on back when they were independent, overpriced, and threw crap together that didn't work well when bundled. Paired with poor ventilation and design, and it was craptastic.

I won one at a game event. Thing was supposed to run half-life 2 like a demon. Kept BSODing every time you loaded up the game that rig was designed around. Alienware tried 4 times to fix it, nada. They actually refused to attempt further repairs, or replace the system. I said screw it, ordered a new heat sink for the CPU, a couple fans, stripped off the crappy plastic exterior, rearranged the wiring and added a chimney/topside fan, and changed out the video card thing worked great from then on. Finally died last year after making it through other minor upgrades.
 
2013-02-21 03:12:35 AM  

ThatDarkFellow: [i46.tinypic.com image 640x427]


All consoles are computers. It's not the architecture that makes it a console. (Didn't we go through this idiot horseshiat when the XBox came out?)
 
2013-02-21 03:35:37 AM  

msupf: Cpl.D: Tax Boy: mongbiohazard: I'll still want one. I've got plenty of games I've purchased through Steam... To have access to all of them and any new ones I buy through Steam too AND in a form factor that fits nicely under my TV? Sign me the fark up.

[cdn.overclock.net image 850x542]

Dell's been selling the Alienware x51 for a long time

/expensive, but it exists. and has steam pre-loaded

Screw alienware.  I bought an m17x a while back.  Still using it.  Guess what?  I can't use drivers from Nvidia.  I gotta use dell's site.  Something about Nvidia not supporting the onboard video blah blah blah.  So check the dell site and dig up the 280m drivers for the m17x.

They're from 2010.  Oh, and dell support tells me, "There's no need to use updated drivers."

So, yeah.  Go ahead and enjoy alienware.  Let us know how it works out.

Ugh, hate Alienware. With the passion of a thousand burning suns.
Crap systems to work on back when they were independent, overpriced, and threw crap together that didn't work well when bundled. Paired with poor ventilation and design, and it was craptastic.

I won one at a game event. Thing was supposed to run half-life 2 like a demon. Kept BSODing every time you loaded up the game that rig was designed around. Alienware tried 4 times to fix it, nada. They actually refused to attempt further repairs, or replace the system. I said screw it, ordered a new heat sink for the CPU, a couple fans, stripped off the crappy plastic exterior, rearranged the wiring and added a chimney/topside fan, and changed out the video card thing worked great from then on. Finally died last year after making it through other minor upgrades.


at one time they were good but then fell apart when they became too big. Gateway and dell have fallen to the same fate. Middle management pushing too hard to get product out the door when it should actually be taken care of properly.

Eventually their quality suffers and people don't buy their product anymore. They always wonder why.
 
2013-02-21 03:36:04 AM  

msupf: And nothing revealed really appeals to me.

Sorry, I play games for my enjoyment, not for sharing videos of my gameplay with anyone/everyone. I could care less about the sharability of myself or my gameplay. I care about the quality of the game I play, and my ability to at least recoup some of the cost for a game that I am either done with or found lackluster compared to reviews or expectations (aliens: colonial marines, anyone?).

Lack of release date, pricing, or more detailed specs makes having your own press conference kind of pointless.


I couldn't help but think that Sony doesn't really understand their core audience by riding so heavy on the social aspects. Gamers have always leaned toward introversion, and here Sony is touting extrovert features.

I'm in the same boat, that not only do I not care about the sharing/spectating but it seems abhorrent. Gaming has always been about the games to me, and not about socializing.

That being said Witness looks pretty great, but also looks like something that could easily be done on the PS3.
 
2013-02-21 03:36:40 AM  

ParagonComplex: Nobody has mentioned Square-Enix announced a Final Fantasy game for the PS4.  If they did there would be the "PLEASE let it be a Final Fantasy VII remake, because that is the only way they are going to bring back the prestige of the series" and the "... who the fark cares anymore" people.


As long as people keep buying their overpriced mobile games and dozens of Kingdom Hearts spin-offs, SE isn't going to bother with remaking FFVII. Once the money dries up, you know they'll have that game out yesterday.
 
2013-02-21 04:02:45 AM  

MayoSlather: msupf: And nothing revealed really appeals to me.

Sorry, I play games for my enjoyment, not for sharing videos of my gameplay with anyone/everyone. I could care less about the sharability of myself or my gameplay. I care about the quality of the game I play, and my ability to at least recoup some of the cost for a game that I am either done with or found lackluster compared to reviews or expectations (aliens: colonial marines, anyone?).

Lack of release date, pricing, or more detailed specs makes having your own press conference kind of pointless.

I couldn't help but think that Sony doesn't really understand their core audience by riding so heavy on the social aspects. Gamers have always leaned toward introversion, and here Sony is touting extrovert features.

I'm in the same boat, that not only do I not care about the sharing/spectating but it seems abhorrent. Gaming has always been about the games to me, and not about socializing.

That being said Witness looks pretty great, but also looks like something that could easily be done on the PS3.




Eh, expect a lot of the games the first two or three years to be PS3 releases as well. You may have a handful of ps4 exclusive titles, but I don't see game studios abandoning the ps3 or Xbox360 as a sales platform anytime soon.
 
2013-02-21 04:02:53 AM  

MayoSlather: msupf: And nothing revealed really appeals to me.

Sorry, I play games for my enjoyment, not for sharing videos of my gameplay with anyone/everyone. I could care less about the sharability of myself or my gameplay. I care about the quality of the game I play, and my ability to at least recoup some of the cost for a game that I am either done with or found lackluster compared to reviews or expectations (aliens: colonial marines, anyone?).

Lack of release date, pricing, or more detailed specs makes having your own press conference kind of pointless.

I couldn't help but think that Sony doesn't really understand their core audience by riding so heavy on the social aspects. Gamers have always leaned toward introversion, and here Sony is touting extrovert features.

I'm in the same boat, that not only do I not care about the sharing/spectating but it seems abhorrent. Gaming has always been about the games to me, and not about socializing.


You, and I, are hopelessly out of touch. Game recording boxes sell brilliantly.. my nephews and their mates watch thousands of videos of people playing games. It is a huge thing and only getting bigger.

Us '14 hour sessions with no human contact while we play a game end to end' folks are farking dinosaurs.
 
2013-02-21 04:09:45 AM  
Deep Down kind of looks like an iPhone game.....

That's......depressing.....
 
2013-02-21 04:10:09 AM  

gaspode: MayoSlather: msupf: And nothing revealed really appeals to me.

Sorry, I play games for my enjoyment, not for sharing videos of my gameplay with anyone/everyone. I could care less about the sharability of myself or my gameplay. I care about the quality of the game I play, and my ability to at least recoup some of the cost for a game that I am either done with or found lackluster compared to reviews or expectations (aliens: colonial marines, anyone?).

Lack of release date, pricing, or more detailed specs makes having your own press conference kind of pointless.

I couldn't help but think that Sony doesn't really understand their core audience by riding so heavy on the social aspects. Gamers have always leaned toward introversion, and here Sony is touting extrovert features.

I'm in the same boat, that not only do I not care about the sharing/spectating but it seems abhorrent. Gaming has always been about the games to me, and not about socializing.

You, and I, are hopelessly out of touch. Game recording boxes sell brilliantly.. my nephews and their mates watch thousands of videos of people playing games. It is a huge thing and only getting bigger.

Us '14 hour sessions with no human contact while we play a game end to end' folks are farking dinosaurs.


I disagree. Obviously there are people that record and share their gaming, but I wouldn't call it anything close to a majority. E.g. The last COD had to take extra measures to sell their theater mode because they found few people were actually using it, and that's a game based on the multiplayer experience.
 
2013-02-21 04:17:05 AM  

Tax Boy: mongbiohazard: I'll still want one. I've got plenty of games I've purchased through Steam... To have access to all of them and any new ones I buy through Steam too AND in a form factor that fits nicely under my TV? Sign me the fark up.

[cdn.overclock.net image 850x542]

Dell's been selling the Alienware x51 for a long time

/expensive, but it exists. and has steam pre-loaded


You're aware that you don't need a special computer to hook it up to a big flat panel, right?  I know.  I've seen me do it.  Within minutes of unboxing my first big HDTV, it was connected to my computer back in '07.  Or was it '06?
 
2013-02-21 04:29:58 AM  

Mike_LowELL: If the PlayStation 4 doesn't sell 250 million units in its first month, I am going to be sorely disappointed.


You're going to be sorely disappointed
 
2013-02-21 04:44:01 AM  

spamdog: Just farting out of my mouth here, but you know what I'd love to see in a console?

- Officially sanctioned homebrew software and games


XBox 360 and PSN both have indie games

- No paid license required to run your own code on your console

Unlikely, you'll pretty much always need a dev kit/license

- Inbuilt media center with support for pirate-friendly formats, and easy integreation with network file shares/external HDD's

Xbox 360 and PS3 have home media streaming. Pirate friendly formats? Video formats? HAHAHAHA. External HDDs just plug in and there it all is.

- Easily swappable HDD bay

Meh, I'm guessing this is so you can take your games with you and play elsewhere.

- Less cocking around with profiles and such - if only I had like a card or some widget with an RFID chip or something which I could plug into the controller and it would have my saves/profile on it.

Certainly you can store profiles on the 360 memory card, and in the cloud if you're Gold. Can't remember  how PSN does it.

- Free online multiplayer service (cost is quite prohibitive in Australia, although I believe it has gone down recently)

Is PSN still free? Otherwise yeah, it's a pain but you can get the odd deal here and there for XBL Gold

- TV, and TV recording

Coming soon I'm sure. 

Of course, there's just too much greed involved so nothing like that will ever happen.

True, but then they are consoles built by corporations, entities whose sole purpose is to take money from consumers and redistribute it to themselves and their shareholders. It'll be interesting to see what the Valve machine will do and how well it does it. Will it get homebrewed within minutes and what levels of copy protection is it going to have.
 
2013-02-21 04:54:55 AM  
After being a loyal supporter of Playstation for about 15 years now I can honestly say it took them less than 2 hours to lose me as a customer.
 
2013-02-21 04:55:48 AM  

cretinbob: Mike_LowELL: If the PlayStation 4 doesn't sell 250 million units in its first month, I am going to be sorely disappointed.

You're going to be sorely disappointed


That's why I stopped buying Chinese made sarcasm detectors, I was tired of being disappointed.  Only the finest, vintage Yugoslavian detectors for me now; I know the secret code on monoprice.
 
2013-02-21 05:03:55 AM  
Colour me underwhelmed. I have a PS3...

There've been no updates to the music player (can't queue music up), and none to the visualisations in the last 6 years.  I realise this is pretty minor, but surely that's all the reason it should've been done. I mean, all those farking updates but NEVER anything in there that gives me anything I want or need.

It doesn't play many formats natively although I can stream film and television to it. But the streaming can be patchy and it really doesn't like MKVs - unless I mux them - and even then that'shiat and miss.  That's about 1/3 of my entertainment unwatchable. Oh and good luck streaming something with subtitles and having it sync.

Now I see they've updated the store (to make it look iPad friendly it seems) and - huzzah! -  you can download apps.  BUT, oh nope, they're all built for the handheld thing so that's another half-assed feature.

Sony's lack of imagination and effort when it comes to it's user base really doesn't impress me and it certainly doesn't inspire me to go through this again, especially not after that incredible security debacle (No, Sony, I haven't forgotten).

I strongly doubt I'll get a PS4.
 
2013-02-21 05:08:18 AM  

skodabunny: It doesn't play many formats natively although I can stream film and television to it. But the streaming can be patchy and it really doesn't like MKVs - unless I mux them - and even then that'shiat and miss. That's about 1/3 of my entertainment unwatchable. Oh and good luck streaming something with subtitles and having it sync.


I bet if you got something like the Vuze bit torrent client you could transcode and serve up your media pretty effortlessly.
 
2013-02-21 05:14:58 AM  

Tickle Mittens: skodabunny: It doesn't play many formats natively although I can stream film and television to it. But the streaming can be patchy and it really doesn't like MKVs - unless I mux them - and even then that'shiat and miss. That's about 1/3 of my entertainment unwatchable. Oh and good luck streaming something with subtitles and having it sync.

I bet if you got something like the Vuze bit torrent client you could transcode and serve up your media pretty effortlessly.


I've been using (various iterations of) PS3 Media Server. I tried something else (can't remember it's name) that was very similar but the problems were the same. I'll look into it though, never heard of Vuze.

In my PS3's defence I will say it's damn quiet.
 
2013-02-21 05:25:37 AM  

King Keepo: Unlikely, you'll pretty much always need a dev kit/license


The dev kits for the Ouya is freeware available to anyone who wants to download it. As for selling the games, they're putting together their own marketplace where anyone will be able to sell their games.
 
2013-02-21 05:36:15 AM  
I'll be picking one up for Watch Dogs and the new Infamous games alone.  I mean, Watch Dogs looks like GTA if you were a good guy with the hacking ability of Zero Cool.  While I am disappointed that I have to wait for a new console release, at least I know they'll likely have a AAA game out the gate this time.
 
2013-02-21 05:39:43 AM  

skodabunny: Tickle Mittens: skodabunny: It doesn't play many formats natively although I can stream film and television to it. But the streaming can be patchy and it really doesn't like MKVs - unless I mux them - and even then that'shiat and miss. That's about 1/3 of my entertainment unwatchable. Oh and good luck streaming something with subtitles and having it sync.

I bet if you got something like the Vuze bit torrent client you could transcode and serve up your media pretty effortlessly.

I've been using (various iterations of) PS3 Media Server. I tried something else (can't remember it's name) that was very similar but the problems were the same. I'll look into it though, never heard of Vuze.

In my PS3's defence I will say it's damn quiet.


I think the program you are talking about is "TVersity."  It works ok.  But yeah, MKV issues.

I downloaded Freemake and just convert everything to MP4 now.  Works like a charm.
 
2013-02-21 05:41:52 AM  
I guess I should now keep that $20k $13k of Sony I've been sitting on since I thought "every tech compnay bounces back from the panic selling after a hack". Their stock took a kicking on the Nikkei last night our time. :-P
 
2013-02-21 05:42:56 AM  
I deserve a free one for loyalty .... I've now bought about ten PSx devices, not to mention holding their crappy stock.
 
2013-02-21 05:45:15 AM  
I stopped playing video games a while back and started playing musical... well, lets call them instruments.

www.futuremusic.com

I think I'm going to preorder the new Ableton Push controller and the Premium package of 9. It's only $1200 for the maximum package, and if I manage to publish stuff the whole thing might be tax deductible. But this new era of gear is a whole lotta fun.
 
2013-02-21 05:52:33 AM  

star_topology: Diablo 3 to PS4

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL


Yeah, I saw that while skimming the video. I don't get it. Why?
 
2013-02-21 05:55:52 AM  

ParaHandy: I guess I should now keep that $20k $13k of Sony I've been sitting on since I thought "every tech compnay bounces back from the panic selling after a hack". Their stock took a kicking on the Nikkei last night our time. :-P


I believe Sony's problems aren't necessarily related to the playstation, and when it looked like one of their more successful ventures was also taking a hit people reacted. Since then the Vita hasn't exactly inspired hope, and I wouldn't bank on the PS4 changing their fortunes anytime soon even if it ultimately is regarded as a success a few years from now. That being said the stock may see an uptick occasionally as more news is released leading up to the launch.
 
2013-02-21 06:13:47 AM  

Nightenstaff: Surprised by the amount of hate in this thread.
/never owned a Sony product


The second one leads directly into why you don't understand the first one.  fark Sony, and to a lesser extent MS too
/For the glory of the master gaming race
 
2013-02-21 06:31:09 AM  
Sony sucks these days. More than happy with Steam on my pc although i did pre-order an Ouya.  http://www.ouya.tv
 
2013-02-21 06:48:18 AM  

jso2897: Yeah, I saw that while skimming the video. I don't get it. Why?


I think it's because Diablo 3 didn't hit like the first two did.  The first two got a huge following, and people are still playing them today.  But D3 lost me before it even went on sale with their real-money auction house.  Why even pretend to have a working in game economy?  And a lot of their accessibility attempts just made it so bland that the hardcore lost interest fairly quickly.

I think this is an attempt to milk the property further.
 
2013-02-21 06:57:17 AM  
Meh.

I think that just about sums it up.
 
2013-02-21 07:00:20 AM  

WhyteRaven74: King Keepo: Unlikely, you'll pretty much always need a dev kit/license

The dev kits for the Ouya is freeware available to anyone who wants to download it. As for selling the games, they're putting together their own marketplace where anyone will be able to sell their games.


Android dev kits are ten-a-penny and open source by nature. Yes it's a console, but essentially phone hardware you plug into the tv. And that marketplace is going to have good games and a lot of bad ones unless there's some kind of policy and quality control sitting behind it all. Great if you want to get into it and hope your game is spotted as the next big IP.
 
2013-02-21 07:50:34 AM  

Cpl.D: Tax Boy: mongbiohazard: I'll still want one. I've got plenty of games I've purchased through Steam... To have access to all of them and any new ones I buy through Steam too AND in a form factor that fits nicely under my TV? Sign me the fark up.

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Dell's been selling the Alienware x51 for a long time

/expensive, but it exists. and has steam pre-loaded

Screw alienware.  I bought an m17x a while back.  Still using it.  Guess what?  I can't use drivers from Nvidia.  I gotta use dell's site.  Something about Nvidia not supporting the onboard video blah blah blah.  So check the dell site and dig up the 280m drivers for the m17x.

They're from 2010.  Oh, and dell support tells me, "There's no need to use updated drivers."

So, yeah.  Go ahead and enjoy alienware.  Let us know how it works out.


It's a commercially-available pc in a console form-factor w/similar dimensions to an xbox 360. Didn't say it was any good.

/is dirty console-playing peasant
 
2013-02-21 08:01:36 AM  

spamdog: Just farting out of my mouth here, but you know what I'd love to see in a console?

- Officially sanctioned homebrew software and games
- No paid license required to run your own code on your console
- Inbuilt media center with support for pirate-friendly formats, and easy integreation with network file shares/external HDD's
- Easily swappable HDD bay
- Less cocking around with profiles and such - if only I had like a card or some widget with an RFID chip or something which I could plug into the controller and it would have my saves/profile on it.
- Free online multiplayer service (cost is quite prohibitive in Australia, although I believe it has gone down recently)
- TV, and TV recording

Of course, there's just too much greed involved so nothing like that will ever happen.


So... you want a PC?
 
2013-02-21 08:02:30 AM  

Sinister Plans: Would have been nice to have a comments thread during the well publicized press conference. The sports tab get wrestling and champions league and we geeks can't get a comments thread for major console releases?


would have been a disaster since the livestream was having a heart attack at most websites...

as for the ps4 as we know it so far, the only things that stood out to me as cool in the long run was being able to play a game while downloading it, and being able to share video clips instantly

the system architecture is ok i guess, 8gb gddr5 was definitely a surprise but whats up with an x86 cpu? obviously only using 8gb would only require an x86 architecture but everybody is moving on to x64

the other stuff was whatever, don't care about sony's kinect, don't care for dualshock 4's touchpad or giant light, the cross-game invite is good i guess but it's also already been done on multiple platforms, the emphasis on facebook-esque features doesn't interest me... also, killzone - seriously don't give a damn about that franchise anymore after playing the ps3 games, those games were chock full of amazing scripted sequences as well and looked better than most other ps3/360 games but guess what? games were still awful!
 
2013-02-21 08:12:39 AM  
Did anyone else notice the blatant switch in image quality during the killzone 4 demo? The draw distance was almost completely destroyed when it switched to having a HUD. The dirt getting thrown on the camera before ending the movie and having the protagonist look directly at the ground before going back to the movie were cheap tricks.
 
2013-02-21 08:15:56 AM  

Beerguy: The Steam Box will conquer all!

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That's cute that Steam thinks selling a console is going to replace the millions of installs on PCs. Why the hell would I spend more money to do something I can already do?
 
2013-02-21 08:30:36 AM  

AdamK: also, killzone - seriously don't give a damn about that franchise anymore after playing the ps3 games, those games were chock full of amazing scripted sequences as well and looked better than most other ps3/360 games but guess what? games were still awful!


I don't think they were awful so much as generic.  It's like Halo for me:  Well done in the genre, but just very bland to the point of flavorless. There's nothing in the universe that really stands out as interesting or unique (ugly aliens threaten, we fight them) but they were incredibly well done for what they are.  The controls were tight and had a sense of weight to them.  The guns were satisfying.  The multiplayer was fun, but forgettable.  

If they could do something with the same team and make it like a MAG-type game, only in the future with future weapons, I think they could make something interesting.  But as it is, it's a "Me Too!" of Halo a couple years too late.
 
2013-02-21 08:37:04 AM  

RoxtarRyan: Beerguy: The Steam Box will conquer all!

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That's cute that Steam thinks selling a console is going to replace the millions of installs on PCs. Why the hell would I spend more money to do something I can already do?


You may wan't to do some research.

The Steam Box will allow you to access any of the controller enabled games that ARE ALREADY ON YOUR STEAM ACCOUNT so that you can play them on your T.V.
 
kab
2013-02-21 08:39:44 AM  

Shadowknight: I think it's because Diablo 3 didn't hit like the first two did. The first two got a huge following, and people are still playing them today. But D3 lost me before it even went on sale with their real-money auction house. Why even pretend to have a working in game economy? And a lot of their accessibility attempts just made it so bland that the hardcore lost interest fairly quickly.

I think this is an attempt to milk the property further.


I've done more than my share of D3 bashing, but you have to admit that this game actually is a hit from a sales perspective.  And while the latest patch is still fairly new and probably skews population numbers, there's a surprisingly large number of folks playing the game.

The game definitely could have been more than it is, but I'd certainly never say that it bombed.

In some alternate universe, the game was released as an isometric as it is now, but also allowed players to jump, and for maps to have z-axis.   It also shipped with a toolkit for players to create their own dungeons.  And there was much celebration heard from basements worldwide.
 
kab
2013-02-21 08:47:36 AM  

Beerguy: The Steam Box will allow you to access any of the controller enabled games that ARE ALREADY ON YOUR STEAM ACCOUNT so that you can play them on your T.V.


Lets approach it from this angle then.  Why do I want a separate box to do this when I can simply lug my theoretical uber-desktop PC out of the office, go plug that into the living room TV, and essentially accomplish the same thing?

This thing will live or die entirely by its price point, IMO.
 
2013-02-21 08:57:25 AM  

Beerguy: RoxtarRyan: Beerguy: The Steam Box will conquer all!

[cdn2.sbnation.com image 850x566]

That's cute that Steam thinks selling a console is going to replace the millions of installs on PCs. Why the hell would I spend more money to do something I can already do?

You may wan't to do some research.

The Steam Box will allow you to access any of the controller enabled games that ARE ALREADY ON YOUR STEAM ACCOUNT so that you can play them on your T.V.


You may want to do some research yourself, as you can already do that with a PC. Get a USB controller (wired xbox 360 controllers work also), and use your big screen as a monitor. Not difficult, and less expensive than buying another console. This offers nothing that my PC already does, and seems like a cheap cash grab by Valve.
 
2013-02-21 09:03:01 AM  

AdamK: the system architecture is ok i guess, 8gb gddr5 was definitely a surprise but whats up with an x86 cpu? obviously only using 8gb would only require an x86 architecture but everybody is moving on to x64


It is x86-64 (or x64). Most people just use "x86" as a generic term now, meaning the overall instruction set compatibility. Even the Intel Atom has built-in 64-bit support nowadays, although it needs to be "enabled" by the integrator (right chipset, etc). And even then, they're generally referred to not as an "x86 CPU", but simply as "Atom". Neither AMD nor Intel has really made a mainstream x86 CPU w/out 64-bit support for the past 5+ years.
 
2013-02-21 09:25:02 AM  

kab: I've done more than my share of D3 bashing, but you have to admit that this game actually is a hit from a sales perspective.  And while the latest patch is still fairly new and probably skews population numbers, there's a surprisingly large number of folks playing the game.

The game definitely could have been more than it is, but I'd certainly never say that it bombed.

In some alternate universe, the game was released as an isometric as it is now, but also allowed players to jump, and for maps to have z-axis.   It also shipped with a toolkit for players to create their own dungeons.  And there was much celebration heard from basements worldwide.


No, it certainly didn't bomb.  But you have to think:  They put the auction house with real money in it so that they could make huge money off the game for a long time.  It stood to reason, after all, since the first two games had/has such a large, loyal following.  But D3, while still a decent seller, doesn't have the replay it's predecessors had.  Be it a botched release, dumbing down of beloved features, or just a change in artistic style, it doesn't seem to have the staying power.

Then, I've heard compelling arguments about design choices present in the original PC version being decidedly console-like, so this very well could have been planned since the start.
 
2013-02-21 09:26:46 AM  

RoxtarRyan: You may want to do some research yourself, as you can already do that with a PC. Get a USB controller (wired xbox 360 controllers work also), and use your big screen as a monitor. Not difficult, and less expensive than buying another console. This offers nothing that my PC already does, and seems like a cheap cash grab by Valve.


It will be easier than lugging your system down, and you won't have to move your PC.  Play on it or your TV, doesn't matter.

Valve has built up a lot of good will with gamers over the years.  So long as they price it reasonably, I can see it selling well.
 
2013-02-21 09:29:48 AM  

echoshizzle: I see no future in streaming games, which seems to be a big part of the backwards compatibility. Watching the damn live conference was horrible and I can't imagine having a ton of users on Sony's servers. Not to mention there just isn't enough bandwidth (yet) for this to be worth while. Graphics on streaming games = no good.

I can't wait until Nintendo's offerings at e3. New 1st party titles that will be worth while.

Hoping that Valve actually creates and releases the steam box, as well. That will be awesome not only for console gamers, but huge for PC gamers as well.


Uh, isn't that what Steam is?

I don't get it, what's with the endless hard-on everyone has for Valve and their Steam Box?  Consoles are dying except for this new console that hasn't come out yet.  Streaming is a terrible idea except that Valve is going to do it soon.  DRM is the devil and I'll never deal with a company that uses it, except for Valve.

Can we at least wait to see what how the little Steam Box actually does in reality before we make grand proclamations about it?  For all their faults, XBOX and PSN have been running and delivering games for years.  Steam seems to be popular with the PC gamers merely because of the cheap deals they have from time to time.
 
2013-02-21 09:41:35 AM  

theurge14: I don't get it, what's with the endless hard-on everyone has for Valve and their Steam Box?


Thank farking Christ someone else sees this like I do. Yes, we all love Steam because they have kickass deals in the summertime and around Christmas... But farkin 'aye, some of these people remind me of Apple cult members, where they can do no wrong. "Why, yes, I already own a laptop, but why would I want to lug that around if I want to surf the net? I'll just pay another few hundred dollars for a crippled version of something I already own."

Shadowknight: It will be easier than lugging your system down, and you won't have to move your PC. Play on it or your TV, doesn't matter.


Anyone who has no idea how to set up a TV as a second monitor without the PC being right there next to it deserves to waste their money buying another computer.
 
2013-02-21 09:41:53 AM  

Meethos: Someone correct me if I am wrong, but wouldnt the system being x86 limit it to only using about 4 gigs of ram at a time?


The 4gb of RAM limitation is a 32-bit OS limitation with regards to memory addressing. PAE can get around it but PAE is basically disabled in 32 bit versions of Windows except for some of the higher end Windows Server OSes (hence why 32-bit Server 2008 Enteprise can support 64GB of RAM, but Windows 7 32-bit can only support 4GB of RAM).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension

The "Design" section should explain it pretty clearly.

They don't specify whether the chip will be x86-32 or x86-64 (though I'd be scratching my head if it was the former) but even with a 32-bit OS running on a 64-biatchip, it probably won't be an issue as I believe the current PS3 OS is based on some Linux distro, and the Linux kernel has supported PAE for quite some time.
 
2013-02-21 09:48:22 AM  

kab: Beerguy: The Steam Box will allow you to access any of the controller enabled games that ARE ALREADY ON YOUR STEAM ACCOUNT so that you can play them on your T.V.

Lets approach it from this angle then.  Why do I want a separate box to do this when I can simply lug my theoretical uber-desktop PC out of the office, go plug that into the living room TV, and essentially accomplish the same thing?

This thing will live or die entirely by its price point, IMO.


Yep, I built a home entertainment PC a few years ago that I play my Steam games on with a wireless 360 controller for many of the games.  HDMI outlets, able to record TV, and so on.  I can even get some classic games like Luigi's Mansion to run on there if I want.
 
2013-02-21 09:53:22 AM  

Joe_diGriz: AdamK: the system architecture is ok i guess, 8gb gddr5 was definitely a surprise but whats up with an x86 cpu? obviously only using 8gb would only require an x86 architecture but everybody is moving on to x64

It is x86-64 (or x64). Most people just use "x86" as a generic term now, meaning the overall instruction set compatibility. Even the Intel Atom has built-in 64-bit support nowadays, although it needs to be "enabled" by the integrator (right chipset, etc). And even then, they're generally referred to not as an "x86 CPU", but simply as "Atom". Neither AMD nor Intel has really made a mainstream x86 CPU w/out 64-bit support for the past 5+ years.


gotcha, i guess either way they learned their lesson from the cell processor and ports will be far simpler and more consistent from the very beginning, advantage wise for sony who knows - microsoft doesn't necessarily have to match volume just bandwidth and they'd likely be on par for what 3rd parties will truly end up being able to afford to develop, either way it's better than going with something exotic - now they just have to price it well or end up with an xbox 1

Shadowknight: AdamK: also, killzone - seriously don't give a damn about that franchise anymore after playing the ps3 games, those games were chock full of amazing scripted sequences as well and looked better than most other ps3/360 games but guess what? games were still awful!

I don't think they were awful so much as generic.  It's like Halo for me:  Well done in the genre, but just very bland to the point of flavorless. There's nothing in the universe that really stands out as interesting or unique (ugly aliens threaten, we fight them) but they were incredibly well done for what they are.  The controls were tight and had a sense of weight to them.  The guns were satisfying.  The multiplayer was fun, but forgettable.  

If they could do something with the same team and make it like a MAG-type game, only in the future with future weapons, I think they could make something interesting.  But as it is, it's a "Me Too!" of Halo a couple years too late.


well sure, sonic 2006 is truly awful from a bigger perspective, but talking strictly in the realm of investing $60 and countless hours into a shooter for the sake of fun? it wasn't great in the end, not even good really, they screwed up the multiplayer in 2 and the campaign in 3... i'm sure this next killzone will be polished but i'm also sure the campaign will be 4 hours like the previous ones and the mutliplayer won't be balanced right - and those things might as well make a AAA-budget shooter awful
 
2013-02-21 10:06:41 AM  

DanZero: Also

[img.photobucket.com image 700x250]


Interesting, an unfunny webcomic from someone who's never played a PS3...
 
2013-02-21 10:11:14 AM  

theurge14: echoshizzle: I see no future in streaming games, which seems to be a big part of the backwards compatibility. Watching the damn live conference was horrible and I can't imagine having a ton of users on Sony's servers. Not to mention there just isn't enough bandwidth (yet) for this to be worth while. Graphics on streaming games = no good.

I can't wait until Nintendo's offerings at e3. New 1st party titles that will be worth while.

Hoping that Valve actually creates and releases the steam box, as well. That will be awesome not only for console gamers, but huge for PC gamers as well.

Uh, isn't that what Steam is?

I don't get it, what's with the endless hard-on everyone has for Valve and their Steam Box?  Consoles are dying except for this new console that hasn't come out yet.  Streaming is a terrible idea except that Valve is going to do it soon.  DRM is the devil and I'll never deal with a company that uses it, except for Valve.

Can we at least wait to see what how the little Steam Box actually does in reality before we make grand proclamations about it?  For all their faults, XBOX and PSN have been running and delivering games for years.  Steam seems to be popular with the PC gamers merely because of the cheap deals they have from time to time.


steam is popular on PC's because it offers the best user experience atm, sales opened the doors to the masses and made investing in a gaming PC worth it for many sure, but it's the overall service in the end that matters

as for DRM, there are two things going on here: 1) for pc users it really boils down to trust-factor and convenience: "does your DRM get in the way of me enjoying the game?" is the issue in the end, some games do it well, some don't it really is that simple and 2) for console users DRM is alien and completely destroys the way the market has functioned for the most part so far, so for them it's basically flipping their entertainment of choice on its head... can't blame them either, it took 5-6 years for people to warm up to steam too and that was with valve of all companies, now sony/microsoft/ea/activision/ubisoft/etc. want the same trust from console gamers of all consumers instantly? that's a stretch
 
2013-02-21 10:14:50 AM  

spamdog: Just farting out of my mouth here, but you know what I'd love to see in a console?

- Officially sanctioned homebrew software and games There was mention of publishing your own games last night very briefly for PS4
- No paid license required to run your own code on your console ummm, buy/build a PC
- Inbuilt media center with support for pirate-friendly formats, and easy integreation with network file shares/external HDD's currently PS3 has greatly expanded media formats
- Easily swappable HDD bay already on PS3
- Less cocking around with profiles and such - if only I had like a card or some widget with an RFID chip or something which I could plug into the controller and it would have my saves/profile on it. Because a few clicks is too hard? Seems loosing that RFID chip would be a disaster
- Free online multiplayer service (cost is quite prohibitive in Australia, although I believe it has gone down recently) Already on PS3
- TV, and TV recording That doesn't even make sense as a feature for a gaming console.

Of course, there's just too much greed involved so nothing like that will ever happen.


 
2013-02-21 10:16:35 AM  

AdamK: theurge14: echoshizzle: I see no future in streaming games, which seems to be a big part of the backwards compatibility. Watching the damn live conference was horrible and I can't imagine having a ton of users on Sony's servers. Not to mention there just isn't enough bandwidth (yet) for this to be worth while. Graphics on streaming games = no good.

I can't wait until Nintendo's offerings at e3. New 1st party titles that will be worth while.

Hoping that Valve actually creates and releases the steam box, as well. That will be awesome not only for console gamers, but huge for PC gamers as well.

Uh, isn't that what Steam is?

I don't get it, what's with the endless hard-on everyone has for Valve and their Steam Box?  Consoles are dying except for this new console that hasn't come out yet.  Streaming is a terrible idea except that Valve is going to do it soon.  DRM is the devil and I'll never deal with a company that uses it, except for Valve.

Can we at least wait to see what how the little Steam Box actually does in reality before we make grand proclamations about it?  For all their faults, XBOX and PSN have been running and delivering games for years.  Steam seems to be popular with the PC gamers merely because of the cheap deals they have from time to time.

steam is popular on PC's because it offers the best user experience atm, sales opened the doors to the masses and made investing in a gaming PC worth it for many sure, but it's the overall service in the end that matters

as for DRM, there are two things going on here: 1) for pc users it really boils down to trust-factor and convenience: "does your DRM get in the way of me enjoying the game?" is the issue in the end, some games do it well, some don't it really is that simple and 2) for console users DRM is alien and completely destroys the way the market has functioned for the most part so far, so for them it's basically flipping their entertainment of choice on its head... can't blame them either, it took 5-6 ...


Funny thing is, the Steam network is so popular because it basically brought PSN/Marketplace to PC...
 
rpm
2013-02-21 10:16:52 AM  

Yuri Futanari: Thought it was a pre-rendered cinematic at first, but you can see the HUD.


Right, because you could never render a HUD into cinematics.

Treat everything shown as video until the games are actually out.
 
rpm
2013-02-21 10:20:35 AM  

AdamK: 2) for console users DRM is alien


It's the exact opposite of alien. Consoles are one freaking big dongle. Online DRM is common on consoles too - limited installs, need to be signed in (on non-native console), one console only playing and bound to a user (Bionic Commando).
 
2013-02-21 10:20:45 AM  

RoxtarRyan: Beerguy: RoxtarRyan: Beerguy: The Steam Box will conquer all!

[cdn2.sbnation.com image 850x566]

That's cute that Steam thinks selling a console is going to replace the millions of installs on PCs. Why the hell would I spend more money to do something I can already do?

You may wan't to do some research.

The Steam Box will allow you to access any of the controller enabled games that ARE ALREADY ON YOUR STEAM ACCOUNT so that you can play them on your T.V.

You may want to do some research yourself, as you can already do that with a PC. Get a USB controller (wired xbox 360 controllers work also), and use your big screen as a monitor. Not difficult, and less expensive than buying another console. This offers nothing that my PC already does, and seems like a cheap cash grab by Valve.



That's why they're a business and not a charity... Also, this is the bridge between the PC market with some daunting entry level hurdles for the newcomer, or those without the skills or knowledge to build a PC for gaming and the console market's plug n play model.

 This is genius, and with the announcement of PS4 using the x86system to make porting games easier I see the line all but being a thing of the past in 2-3 years...
 
2013-02-21 10:26:56 AM  

AdamK: theurge14: echoshizzle: I see no future in streaming games, which seems to be a big part of the backwards compatibility. Watching the damn live conference was horrible and I can't imagine having a ton of users on Sony's servers. Not to mention there just isn't enough bandwidth (yet) for this to be worth while. Graphics on streaming games = no good.

I can't wait until Nintendo's offerings at e3. New 1st party titles that will be worth while.

Hoping that Valve actually creates and releases the steam box, as well. That will be awesome not only for console gamers, but huge for PC gamers as well.

Uh, isn't that what Steam is?

I don't get it, what's with the endless hard-on everyone has for Valve and their Steam Box?  Consoles are dying except for this new console that hasn't come out yet.  Streaming is a terrible idea except that Valve is going to do it soon.  DRM is the devil and I'll never deal with a company that uses it, except for Valve.

Can we at least wait to see what how the little Steam Box actually does in reality before we make grand proclamations about it?  For all their faults, XBOX and PSN have been running and delivering games for years.  Steam seems to be popular with the PC gamers merely because of the cheap deals they have from time to time.

steam is popular on PC's because it offers the best user experience atm, sales opened the doors to the masses and made investing in a gaming PC worth it for many sure, but it's the overall service in the end that matters

as for DRM, there are two things going on here: 1) for pc users it really boils down to trust-factor and convenience: "does your DRM get in the way of me enjoying the game?" is the issue in the end, some games do it well, some don't it really is that simple and 2) for console users DRM is alien and completely destroys the way the market has functioned for the most part so far, so for them it's basically flipping their entertainment of choice on its head... can't blame them either, it took 5-6 ...


Not as much of a stretch as you may think.
Both systems have had the the ability to buy current gen games online without a physicial copy for the last few years. This would just be an increase in that side of the equation.

It'll take 1 more revision until they remove the BD player from the box entirely I suppose. Bandwidth just isn't there yet.
 
2013-02-21 10:30:58 AM  

RoxtarRyan: Beerguy: RoxtarRyan: Beerguy: The Steam Box will conquer all!

You may wan't to do some research.

The Steam Box will allow you to access any of the controller enabled games that ARE ALREADY ON YOUR STEAM ACCOUNT so that you can play them on your T.V.

...This offers nothing that my PC already does, and seems like a cheap cash grab by Valve.


With the added bonus that they won't be getting any sales from games that have already been purchased for the PC. They'll essentially be starting at zero. Or even minus one as if you already enjoy steam then effectively it comes bundled with games.

Given that hardware is (in the early stages) sold at a loss, the games and attach rate are hugely important in how the machine does financially.
 
2013-02-21 10:31:59 AM  

KingPsyz: Funny thing is, the Steam network is so popular because it basically brought PSN/Marketplace to PC...


pretty sure steam started offering full-size games to download years before PSN/Marketplace

also, that's an insult to steam since both marketplace and PSN suck as stores comparatively

rpm: AdamK: 2) for console users DRM is alien

It's the exact opposite of alien. Consoles are one freaking big dongle. Online DRM is common on consoles too - limited installs, need to be signed in (on non-native console), one console only playing and bound to a user (Bionic Commando).


when it comes to where most dollars get spent on consoles, it's still not common or accepted
 
2013-02-21 10:42:30 AM  

AdamK: KingPsyz: Funny thing is, the Steam network is so popular because it basically brought PSN/Marketplace to PC...

pretty sure steam started offering full-size games to download years before PSN/Marketplace


If by years you mean the same year Playstation Store went online, then yes.

Before then the only thing Steam was used for was to download Counterstrike.
 
2013-02-21 10:45:35 AM  

theurge14: AdamK: KingPsyz: Funny thing is, the Steam network is so popular because it basically brought PSN/Marketplace to PC...

pretty sure steam started offering full-size games to download years before PSN/Marketplace

If by years you mean the same year Playstation Store went online, then yes.

Before then the only thing Steam was used for was to download Counterstrike.


uh, the year the playstation store went online it had flow... after a year it had a few more games like super stardust hd, calling all cars, and that sixaxis bowling game

even wiiware blew that shiat store out of the water, PSN store wasn't worth it until 2009, i would know i bought a ps3 after it launched
 
2013-02-21 10:46:26 AM  
I'll probably get one. I skipped out on the PS1-3 in favor of Microsoft and Nintendo, so nows the time to get in on the Sony exclusives, and being able to stream all the old games I missed will be nice, plus all the new titles. And it will give me more uses for my PS Vita, which I actually enjoy despite the lack of games.

Now it's Microsoft's turn to impress me
 
2013-02-21 10:52:51 AM  

AdamK: theurge14: AdamK: KingPsyz:

even wiiware blew that shiat store out of the water, PSN store wasn't worth it until 2009, i would know i bought a ps3 after it launched


I think Steam and PSN are both fine nowadays. But wiiware was and still is garbage. I bought a wii launch day and there's been about 3 games for wiiware of interest, and several like World of Goo were ports. The wii VC games are nice but subject to all the same whining everyone upthread has about PS3 streaming, "arg I gotta pay for this again!"

Although Ntendo made a boatload of cash, so at some level Sony has to look at that and say "maybe geek forum posters will throw shiat at this, but for average joe there's money to be made" and whatever beans they counted made that more attractive than including Cell architecture in every PS4.
 
rpm
2013-02-21 10:55:24 AM  

AdamK: when it comes to where most dollars get spent on consoles, it's still not common or accepted


What part of "the console is a dongle" did you not get? The whole thing is DRM, that's the POINT of a console from the manufacturer's view. (if it's not, please demonstrate where I can get games not approved by MS / Sony / Nintendo, without jailbreaking)

And where the dollars are spent? How many of those in the top 10 have online passes? (hint: the majority) That's DRM.
 
2013-02-21 11:03:36 AM  

rpm: AdamK: when it comes to where most dollars get spent on consoles, it's still not common or accepted

What part of "the console is a dongle" did you not get? The whole thing is DRM, that's the POINT of a console from the manufacturer's view. (if it's not, please demonstrate where I can get games not approved by MS / Sony / Nintendo, without jailbreaking)

And where the dollars are spent? How many of those in the top 10 have online passes? (hint: the majority) That's DRM.


re: console is a dongle - because it's irrelevant to the consumer? what's next, windows is DRM because a game programmed for windows won't work on a mac even if it's pirated? is linux drm too?

the point is in the console market it's been accepted since the beginning of time that games that come on physical media are independent of the machine itself in such a manner as to allow buying/reselling/trading/borrowing/etc.

if DRM does not give consumers in a non-DRM dominated market a clear advantage, they won't buy it

DLC is DRM'd by default, but buying DLC does not lock you to said game, therefore it is not DRM to the actual game itself... for a lot of people, that's important
 
2013-02-21 11:14:03 AM  
 
2013-02-21 11:18:05 AM  

rpm: AdamK: when it comes to where most dollars get spent on consoles, it's still not common or accepted

What part of "the console is a dongle" did you not get? The whole thing is DRM, that's the POINT of a console from the manufacturer's view. (if it's not, please demonstrate where I can get games not approved by MS / Sony / Nintendo, without jailbreaking)

And where the dollars are spent? How many of those in the top 10 have online passes? (hint: the majority) That's DRM.


I think you're mixing DRM as "the family of things that could potentially be construed as controlling how a game is played" and what most people mean when they say DRM. A console is not "DRM" any more than an NES was "DRM" for cartridges or a Victrola was "DRM" for phonographs. You can still take your game to anyone else with that console and play it at their house or sell it to them. You can't do that with an online pass or a single-license game or something.

Claiming DRM is "the existence of a console that won't arbitrarily run universal software" is just expanding the definition to absurd scale. My digital watch is DRM, I can't load another counter script onto it! My microwave is DRM, why can't I load Linux and override the default buttons? Go read up on the video game crash of the 80s and the entire reason WHY Nintendo started limiting what could be published and companies like Ultra existed. Alternatively, look at the top 50 games on a mobile phone store and see if you really can't figure out why Sony/MSoft doesn't want the shelves at Gamestop to look like that.

When gamers complain about DRM on their PS3, they don't mean they can't play an xbox game on it. They mean they can't take the physical product and treat it on its face value. Arguing a console is a dongle is just sort of shouting a fact most people take as read and not making any new points out of it. You had it right with online passes and THAT will be how devs control used game sales in the future, THAT is what people complain about. The fact that Sony controls what games are published on their system is not in the same ballpark as EA controlling whether you get to play Dead Space online mode without a $15 pass for used games.
 
2013-02-21 11:23:12 AM  

MayoSlather: gaspode: MayoSlather: msupf: And nothing revealed really appeals to me.

Sorry, I play games for my enjoyment, not for sharing videos of my gameplay with anyone/everyone. I could care less about the sharability of myself or my gameplay. I care about the quality of the game I play, and my ability to at least recoup some of the cost for a game that I am either done with or found lackluster compared to reviews or expectations (aliens: colonial marines, anyone?).

Lack of release date, pricing, or more detailed specs makes having your own press conference kind of pointless.

I couldn't help but think that Sony doesn't really understand their core audience by riding so heavy on the social aspects. Gamers have always leaned toward introversion, and here Sony is touting extrovert features.

I'm in the same boat, that not only do I not care about the sharing/spectating but it seems abhorrent. Gaming has always been about the games to me, and not about socializing.

You, and I, are hopelessly out of touch. Game recording boxes sell brilliantly.. my nephews and their mates watch thousands of videos of people playing games. It is a huge thing and only getting bigger.

Us '14 hour sessions with no human contact while we play a game end to end' folks are farking dinosaurs.

I disagree. Obviously there are people that record and share their gaming, but I wouldn't call it anything close to a majority. E.g. The last COD had to take extra measures to sell their theater mode because they found few people were actually using it, and that's a game based on the multiplayer experience.


They aren't the majority; but they are the future. This is a strategic move to build brand loyalty in the youth demographic. These new generations find video games socially acceptable.

/video games aren't just for introverts anymore
//hook'em young
 
2013-02-21 11:31:13 AM  

jso2897: star_topology: Diablo 3 to PS4

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Yeah, I saw that while skimming the video. I don't get it. Why?


Blizzard: "Because fark you (PC) guys, that's why. Gots to make that cash"

/don't blame them, really
//Torchlight 2 is a better experience anyway
 
2013-02-21 11:34:33 AM  

star_topology: jso2897: star_topology: Diablo 3 to PS4

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Yeah, I saw that while skimming the video. I don't get it. Why?

Blizzard: "Because fark you (PC) guys, that's why. Gots to make that cash"

/don't blame them, really
//Torchlight 2 is a better experience anyway


T2 is definitely better but Diablo 3 kind of killed the mood for those kinds of games, now people need a long break
 
2013-02-21 11:56:04 AM  
Well... They certainly succeeded in making the Cell future-proof.
 
2013-02-21 12:03:28 PM  

Yuri Futanari: Sinister Plans: miniflea: I've never been a playstation person, always was happy with my PC/Xbox/Nintendo whatever, but I'm seriously considering picking up a PS3 for Ni No Kuni and The Last of Us.

Ni No Kuni is AMAZING.

Sigh.

I really should pick that up.


Yes, you should.
 
2013-02-21 12:05:16 PM  
The whole thing seems rushed to me.  Like they had to beat MS to the punch.  Just a few weeks ago the Sony folks were saying they were in no hurry and that MS could go first.  Nice misdirection on their part but the execution sucked.
 
2013-02-21 12:13:29 PM  

rpm: Yuri Futanari: Thought it was a pre-rendered cinematic at first, but you can see the HUD.

Right, because you could never render a HUD into cinematics.

Treat everything shown as video until the games are actually out.


One of the blogs I was following said someone was up on stage playing the game.  True it could all be staged, but that's better than nothing.
 
2013-02-21 12:24:26 PM  

RoxtarRyan: theurge14: I don't get it, what's with the endless hard-on everyone has for Valve and their Steam Box?

Thank farking Christ someone else sees this like I do. Yes, we all love Steam because they have kickass deals in the summertime and around Christmas... But farkin 'aye, some of these people remind me of Apple cult members, where they can do no wrong. "Why, yes, I already own a laptop, but why would I want to lug that around if I want to surf the net? I'll just pay another few hundred dollars for a crippled version of something I already own."

Shadowknight: It will be easier than lugging your system down, and you won't have to move your PC. Play on it or your TV, doesn't matter.

Anyone who has no idea how to set up a TV as a second monitor without the PC being right there next to it deserves to waste their money buying another computer.


I'll admit that I don't know how to set up a wireless second monitor  in regards to machine (and/or router?) capabilites and additional hardware necessary. Right now, I have two desktops (one new gaming rig and upgraded hp a1450n) in my family room hard-wired to our big screen (and router) so my son and I can coop steam over lan while in the same room. (I get stuck with desktop monitor naturally). Idk if the steambox would better fill the role of that old pc, but we'll see how it shapes out.

That said, Steam does have imo pretty good deals almost bi-weekly. I wish we could coop some games with my brother and his son (who have xboxes). Idk where, if at all, that's possible though.
 
rpm
2013-02-21 01:56:16 PM  

Electromax: I think you're mixing DRM as "the family of things that could potentially be construed as controlling how a game is played" and what most people mean when they say DRM. A console is not "DRM" any more than an NES was "DRM" for cartridges or a Victrola was "DRM" for phonographs. You can still take your game to anyone else with that console and play it at their house or sell it to them. You can't do that with an online pass or a single-license game or something.


So what was the requirement for a "Sega" image in carts on the Genesis? The custom chips in NES? Atari suing Activision over 2600 carts? It's more than the form factor.

Can I make a backup disk before giving it to a toddler? No? Why not, even if my computer does have the hardware to burn BD or DVD?

Claiming DRM is "the existence of a console that won't arbitrarily run universal software"
I'm not saying universal, quit miscontruing my point. I don't expect a PS3 to run 360 software. I expect a disk with code written for the platform to be put in and run without the maker of the platform having any say about it. Anything that prevents that is DRM.
 
2013-02-21 02:14:22 PM  

phoenixdan: echoshizzle: Hoping that Valve actually creates and releases the steam box, as well. That will be awesome not only for console gamers, but huge for PC gamers as well.

As soon as Valve releases Half Life 2 episode 3 I'll give a flying fark about Steambox. :)


And what makes you think they aren't saving that FOR the launch of the Steambox?
 
2013-02-21 02:23:53 PM  

Earthen: phoenixdan: echoshizzle: Hoping that Valve actually creates and releases the steam box, as well. That will be awesome not only for console gamers, but huge for PC gamers as well.

As soon as Valve releases Half Life 2 episode 3 I'll give a flying fark about Steambox. :)

And what makes you think they aren't saving that FOR the launch of the Steambox?


tromoticons.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-21 03:02:28 PM  

rpm: Electromax: I think you're mixing DRM as "the family of things that could potentially be construed as controlling how a game is played" and what most people mean when they say DRM. A console is not "DRM" any more than an NES was "DRM" for cartridges or a Victrola was "DRM" for phonographs. You can still take your game to anyone else with that console and play it at their house or sell it to them. You can't do that with an online pass or a single-license game or something.

So what was the requirement for a "Sega" image in carts on the Genesis? The custom chips in NES? Atari suing Activision over 2600 carts? It's more than the form factor.

Can I make a backup disk before giving it to a toddler? No? Why not, even if my computer does have the hardware to burn BD or DVD?

Claiming DRM is "the existence of a console that won't arbitrarily run universal software"
I'm not saying universal, quit miscontruing my point. I don't expect a PS3 to run 360 software. I expect a disk with code written for the platform to be put in and run without the maker of the platform having any say about it. Anything that prevents that is DRM.


From my understanding the original thread was, someone said console gamers aren't used to DRM ("alien"), you said the entire console is a form of DRM. I said you're mixing DRM in the sense of "anything that prevents [playing a disc with code for that platform]" with DRM in the sense that the other guy meant, "measures that prevent another owner of the console from playing a used copy of a game someone has resold." I had GTA4 on PC and it would constantly setting up GWFL, verification with Rockstar Online which it only connected to some of the time, and wasn't allowed to install it on my 2nd PC, so I shelved it and a year later got it for $8 used on PS3 and I started playing in about 2 minutes without any of that. I think it's fair to say that DRM like that is alien to many console gamers.

I am not looking to argue with you about what DRM is, because generally I would agree with you about consoles as a means of control, only that dude up there was talking about DRM in a more colloquial sense. If you see DRM as a more abstract concept then lots of things could be DRM.

I don't know the reference you mean with Sega and 2600 carts or whatever. I mentioned NES and Ultra as a response to you saying "please demonstrate where I can get games not approved by MS / Sony / Nintendo, without jailbreaking" merely as an observation that the approval systems originally weren't merely to tightly control the platform, but to mitigate the damage to the industry from shovelware like we see with mobile nowadays. A lot of the DRM you mentioned like Bionic Commando (I'm guessing) would be the decision of the developer, not Microsoft or whatever.

Wasn't intentionally misconstruing your point, sorry buddy.
 
2013-02-21 03:28:22 PM  

Electromax: rpm: Electromax: I think you're mixing DRM as "the family of things that could potentially be construed as controlling how a game is played" and what most people mean when they say DRM. A console is not "DRM" any more than an NES was "DRM" for cartridges or a Victrola was "DRM" for phonographs. You can still take your game to anyone else with that console and play it at their house or sell it to them. You can't do that with an online pass or a single-license game or something.

So what was the requirement for a "Sega" image in carts on the Genesis? The custom chips in NES? Atari suing Activision over 2600 carts? It's more than the form factor.

Can I make a backup disk before giving it to a toddler? No? Why not, even if my computer does have the hardware to burn BD or DVD?

Claiming DRM is "the existence of a console that won't arbitrarily run universal software"
I'm not saying universal, quit miscontruing my point. I don't expect a PS3 to run 360 software. I expect a disk with code written for the platform to be put in and run without the maker of the platform having any say about it. Anything that prevents that is DRM.

From my understanding the original thread was, someone said console gamers aren't used to DRM ("alien"), you said the entire console is a form of DRM. I said you're mixing DRM in the sense of "anything that prevents [playing a disc with code for that platform]" with DRM in the sense that the other guy meant, "measures that prevent another owner of the console from playing a used copy of a game someone has resold." I had GTA4 on PC and it would constantly setting up GWFL, verification with Rockstar Online which it only connected to some of the time, and wasn't allowed to install it on my 2nd PC, so I shelved it and a year later got it for $8 used on PS3 and I started playing in about 2 minutes without any of that. I think it's fair to say that DRM like that is alien to many console gamers.

I am not looking to argue with you about what DRM is, becau ...


the argument was originally about why people accept Steam's DRM but can't accept similar DRM on consoles

TL;DR

Steam is the best possible result (currently) of a legacy of good and bad DRM on the PC

Console game consumers still expect any xbox game disc they buy to work on any xbox - independent of who bought the game or what microsoft thinks

therefore, PC DRM isn't compatible with the console market, regardless of what people think of Steam - expectations are not compatible yet
 
rpm
2013-02-21 04:00:01 PM  

AdamK: therefore, PC DRM isn't compatible with the console market, regardless of what people think of Steam - expectations are not compatible yet


Really?
 
2013-02-21 04:18:26 PM  

rpm: AdamK: therefore, PC DRM isn't compatible with the console market, regardless of what people think of Steam - expectations are not compatible yet

Really?


Interesting link. Would be fun to contrast that list with top selling disc-only games by volume, then by games available both digitally and physically. Not sure what to expect, but if those top XBLA games are all digital-only and consumers have no alternative it might be different than if you said "would you like castle crashers via XBLA or this shiny disc you can sell to Tony next month?".

Video games are quickly becoming a weird thing. Imagine someone describing these issues to a kid who just got home with Mario Bros. 3. Wonder what the VG landscape will look like in 20 more years.
 
2013-02-21 04:29:18 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm: ParagonComplex: Nobody has mentioned Square-Enix announced a Final Fantasy game for the PS4.  If they did there would be the "PLEASE let it be a Final Fantasy VII remake, because that is the only way they are going to bring back the prestige of the series" and the "... who the fark cares anymore" people.

As long as people keep buying their overpriced mobile games and dozens of Kingdom Hearts spin-offs, SE isn't going to bother with remaking FFVII. Once the money dries up, you know they'll have that game out yesterday.


The Kingdom Hearts series has a special place in my heart, so I don't have a problem with those games. You're probably right about the FF7 remake. As far as they've fallen I'm sure they still realize the blockbuster goldmine a FF7 remake would bring them especially if they make it the way it was intended: resurrecting Aerith. At least give people the option. Those that have never played could let her die, and those that have played can see what should have been.
 
2013-02-21 06:28:41 PM  

rpm: AdamK: therefore, PC DRM isn't compatible with the console market, regardless of what people think of Steam - expectations are not compatible yet

Really?


you're implying a $15 game = $60 game?
 
rpm
2013-02-21 06:38:48 PM  

Electromax: Interesting link. Would be fun to contrast that list with top selling disc-only games by volume, then by games available both digitally and physically.


I'm not so sure that works so well with XBL, that might be more interesting on PSN. The "Games on Demand" is absurdly overpriced.
 
rpm
2013-02-21 06:40:15 PM  

AdamK: rpm: AdamK: therefore, PC DRM isn't compatible with the console market, regardless of what people think of Steam - expectations are not compatible yet

Really?

you're implying a $15 game = $60 game?


Please tell me you're trolling and not really that dense.

It's digital distribution like Steam, and it's going up while traditional sales are going down. I'm not referring to the price at all.
 
2013-02-21 07:11:41 PM  

rpm: AdamK: rpm: AdamK: therefore, PC DRM isn't compatible with the console market, regardless of what people think of Steam - expectations are not compatible yet

Really?

you're implying a $15 game = $60 game?

Please tell me you're trolling and not really that dense.

It's digital distribution like Steam, and it's going up while traditional sales are going down. I'm not referring to the price at all.


that's not really what we were even talking about, it was a discussion about PC DRM on consoles meaning no resell, no used games, a disc is locked to a console or DRM that locks games on accounts, etc. stuff that would push downloading full-sized games to the #1 spot on that list, ya know drastic changes in consumer behavior - not just people downloading games on the side
 
2013-02-22 08:09:19 AM  

AdamK: rpm: AdamK: rpm: AdamK: therefore, PC DRM isn't compatible with the console market, regardless of what people think of Steam - expectations are not compatible yet

Really?

you're implying a $15 game = $60 game?

Please tell me you're trolling and not really that dense.

It's digital distribution like Steam, and it's going up while traditional sales are going down. I'm not referring to the price at all.

that's not really what we were even talking about, it was a discussion about PC DRM on consoles meaning no resell, no used games, a disc is locked to a console or DRM that locks games on accounts, etc. stuff that would push downloading full-sized games to the #1 spot on that list, ya know drastic changes in consumer behavior - not just people downloading games on the side


Just because the console games are the last stronghold of "software as an object" rather then "software as a license", it doesn't meant it won't crack sooner or later as well...and I think steam, minecraft on that live whatever, things like that are smashing those walls and perceptions pretty rapidly.
 
2013-02-22 08:18:01 PM  
What are yall going to do when steam will eventually go out of business?
 
2013-02-22 11:59:01 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: What are yall going to do when steam will eventually go out of business?


I for one will blow bubbles into my head's canister and reminisce about how much I liked steam until the 23rd century or so when they were taken over by something like EA or Activision and went the way of that company that sounds like lizzard.
 
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