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2013-02-21 02:02:43 AM

quiotu: Did you honestly think Sony was going to completely blow their wad on the PS4 there and save nothing for the rest of the year?  They admitted it exists, showed specs, talked about what was on it, and gave a vague idea of when it's coming.  Now people are talking about it... mission accomplished.


Except most of the talk has been negative. You have a point about Sony not overplaying their hand, but they needed to focus more on games and less on "social media". Showing more awesome exclusives would have made the two week hype worth it, at least.
 
2013-02-21 02:10:43 AM

inglixthemad: timujin: The My Little Pony Killer: No backwards compatibility, no care.

/still working on PS2 games

I played all of three games on the PS3 and two of those were versions of Rock Band.  It's a hell of a blu-ray player, though.

/LBP
//never have liked the controller...

AC and I never had a problem with the controller. I hate the Xbox controller (and the Wii remotes) but I must agree: it's a great BD player and stream box with Playon.


And I love the Xbox controller, it fits my hand really well.  The Playstation controller just seems to get swallowed.  Maybe I just haven't played enough games on it, I never did find anything that made me keep coming back the way the Xbox games did.  A lot of that wasn't because the games were exclusive or anything, but because of the multiplayer experience.  Hell, again, it could have been better on the PS3, but I was already invested and my brain is too feeble to master two consoles.
 
2013-02-21 02:12:37 AM
i46.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-21 02:44:35 AM
Nobody has mentioned Square-Enix announced a Final Fantasy game for the PS4.  If they did there would be the "PLEASE let it be a Final Fantasy VII remake, because that is the only way they are going to bring back the prestige of the series" and the "... who the fark cares anymore" people.
 
2013-02-21 02:45:40 AM

Meethos: Someone correct me if I am wrong, but wouldnt the system being x86 limit it to only using about 4 gigs of ram at a time?


x86 these days is actually x86-64 (aka AMD64), which is 64-bit.  What x86 functionally means is that (in theory), you could take any x86 executable (like Microsoft Word) and run it on this machine, and that the exact same executable could be used for PC and PS4.

/Remember the whole Linux on the PS3 thing?  I give it 6 months after launch until mostly functional PS4 Linux, regardless of what Sony wants.
//key words there is "in theory".
 
2013-02-21 02:50:30 AM

Beerguy: The Steam Box will conquer all!

[cdn2.sbnation.com image 850x566]


You might as well just get a console and call it a day. That box start at $499 and can add up to $999 plus no mention on who's going to create aftermarket parts/upgrades of that size
 
2013-02-21 02:55:09 AM

Tax Boy: mongbiohazard: I'll still want one. I've got plenty of games I've purchased through Steam... To have access to all of them and any new ones I buy through Steam too AND in a form factor that fits nicely under my TV? Sign me the fark up.

[cdn.overclock.net image 850x542]

Dell's been selling the Alienware x51 for a long time

/expensive, but it exists. and has steam pre-loaded


Screw alienware.  I bought an m17x a while back.  Still using it.  Guess what?  I can't use drivers from Nvidia.  I gotta use dell's site.  Something about Nvidia not supporting the onboard video blah blah blah.  So check the dell site and dig up the 280m drivers for the m17x.

They're from 2010.  Oh, and dell support tells me, "There's no need to use updated drivers."

So, yeah.  Go ahead and enjoy alienware.  Let us know how it works out.
 
2013-02-21 03:02:09 AM
If the PlayStation 4 doesn't sell 250 million units in its first month, I am going to be sorely disappointed.
 
2013-02-21 03:10:02 AM

Cpl.D: Tax Boy: mongbiohazard: I'll still want one. I've got plenty of games I've purchased through Steam... To have access to all of them and any new ones I buy through Steam too AND in a form factor that fits nicely under my TV? Sign me the fark up.

[cdn.overclock.net image 850x542]

Dell's been selling the Alienware x51 for a long time

/expensive, but it exists. and has steam pre-loaded

Screw alienware.  I bought an m17x a while back.  Still using it.  Guess what?  I can't use drivers from Nvidia.  I gotta use dell's site.  Something about Nvidia not supporting the onboard video blah blah blah.  So check the dell site and dig up the 280m drivers for the m17x.

They're from 2010.  Oh, and dell support tells me, "There's no need to use updated drivers."

So, yeah.  Go ahead and enjoy alienware.  Let us know how it works out.




Ugh, hate Alienware. With the passion of a thousand burning suns.
Crap systems to work on back when they were independent, overpriced, and threw crap together that didn't work well when bundled. Paired with poor ventilation and design, and it was craptastic.

I won one at a game event. Thing was supposed to run half-life 2 like a demon. Kept BSODing every time you loaded up the game that rig was designed around. Alienware tried 4 times to fix it, nada. They actually refused to attempt further repairs, or replace the system. I said screw it, ordered a new heat sink for the CPU, a couple fans, stripped off the crappy plastic exterior, rearranged the wiring and added a chimney/topside fan, and changed out the video card thing worked great from then on. Finally died last year after making it through other minor upgrades.
 
2013-02-21 03:12:35 AM

ThatDarkFellow: [i46.tinypic.com image 640x427]


All consoles are computers. It's not the architecture that makes it a console. (Didn't we go through this idiot horseshiat when the XBox came out?)
 
2013-02-21 03:35:37 AM

msupf: Cpl.D: Tax Boy: mongbiohazard: I'll still want one. I've got plenty of games I've purchased through Steam... To have access to all of them and any new ones I buy through Steam too AND in a form factor that fits nicely under my TV? Sign me the fark up.

[cdn.overclock.net image 850x542]

Dell's been selling the Alienware x51 for a long time

/expensive, but it exists. and has steam pre-loaded

Screw alienware.  I bought an m17x a while back.  Still using it.  Guess what?  I can't use drivers from Nvidia.  I gotta use dell's site.  Something about Nvidia not supporting the onboard video blah blah blah.  So check the dell site and dig up the 280m drivers for the m17x.

They're from 2010.  Oh, and dell support tells me, "There's no need to use updated drivers."

So, yeah.  Go ahead and enjoy alienware.  Let us know how it works out.

Ugh, hate Alienware. With the passion of a thousand burning suns.
Crap systems to work on back when they were independent, overpriced, and threw crap together that didn't work well when bundled. Paired with poor ventilation and design, and it was craptastic.

I won one at a game event. Thing was supposed to run half-life 2 like a demon. Kept BSODing every time you loaded up the game that rig was designed around. Alienware tried 4 times to fix it, nada. They actually refused to attempt further repairs, or replace the system. I said screw it, ordered a new heat sink for the CPU, a couple fans, stripped off the crappy plastic exterior, rearranged the wiring and added a chimney/topside fan, and changed out the video card thing worked great from then on. Finally died last year after making it through other minor upgrades.


at one time they were good but then fell apart when they became too big. Gateway and dell have fallen to the same fate. Middle management pushing too hard to get product out the door when it should actually be taken care of properly.

Eventually their quality suffers and people don't buy their product anymore. They always wonder why.
 
2013-02-21 03:36:04 AM

msupf: And nothing revealed really appeals to me.

Sorry, I play games for my enjoyment, not for sharing videos of my gameplay with anyone/everyone. I could care less about the sharability of myself or my gameplay. I care about the quality of the game I play, and my ability to at least recoup some of the cost for a game that I am either done with or found lackluster compared to reviews or expectations (aliens: colonial marines, anyone?).

Lack of release date, pricing, or more detailed specs makes having your own press conference kind of pointless.


I couldn't help but think that Sony doesn't really understand their core audience by riding so heavy on the social aspects. Gamers have always leaned toward introversion, and here Sony is touting extrovert features.

I'm in the same boat, that not only do I not care about the sharing/spectating but it seems abhorrent. Gaming has always been about the games to me, and not about socializing.

That being said Witness looks pretty great, but also looks like something that could easily be done on the PS3.
 
2013-02-21 03:36:40 AM

ParagonComplex: Nobody has mentioned Square-Enix announced a Final Fantasy game for the PS4.  If they did there would be the "PLEASE let it be a Final Fantasy VII remake, because that is the only way they are going to bring back the prestige of the series" and the "... who the fark cares anymore" people.


As long as people keep buying their overpriced mobile games and dozens of Kingdom Hearts spin-offs, SE isn't going to bother with remaking FFVII. Once the money dries up, you know they'll have that game out yesterday.
 
2013-02-21 04:02:45 AM

MayoSlather: msupf: And nothing revealed really appeals to me.

Sorry, I play games for my enjoyment, not for sharing videos of my gameplay with anyone/everyone. I could care less about the sharability of myself or my gameplay. I care about the quality of the game I play, and my ability to at least recoup some of the cost for a game that I am either done with or found lackluster compared to reviews or expectations (aliens: colonial marines, anyone?).

Lack of release date, pricing, or more detailed specs makes having your own press conference kind of pointless.

I couldn't help but think that Sony doesn't really understand their core audience by riding so heavy on the social aspects. Gamers have always leaned toward introversion, and here Sony is touting extrovert features.

I'm in the same boat, that not only do I not care about the sharing/spectating but it seems abhorrent. Gaming has always been about the games to me, and not about socializing.

That being said Witness looks pretty great, but also looks like something that could easily be done on the PS3.




Eh, expect a lot of the games the first two or three years to be PS3 releases as well. You may have a handful of ps4 exclusive titles, but I don't see game studios abandoning the ps3 or Xbox360 as a sales platform anytime soon.
 
2013-02-21 04:02:53 AM

MayoSlather: msupf: And nothing revealed really appeals to me.

Sorry, I play games for my enjoyment, not for sharing videos of my gameplay with anyone/everyone. I could care less about the sharability of myself or my gameplay. I care about the quality of the game I play, and my ability to at least recoup some of the cost for a game that I am either done with or found lackluster compared to reviews or expectations (aliens: colonial marines, anyone?).

Lack of release date, pricing, or more detailed specs makes having your own press conference kind of pointless.

I couldn't help but think that Sony doesn't really understand their core audience by riding so heavy on the social aspects. Gamers have always leaned toward introversion, and here Sony is touting extrovert features.

I'm in the same boat, that not only do I not care about the sharing/spectating but it seems abhorrent. Gaming has always been about the games to me, and not about socializing.


You, and I, are hopelessly out of touch. Game recording boxes sell brilliantly.. my nephews and their mates watch thousands of videos of people playing games. It is a huge thing and only getting bigger.

Us '14 hour sessions with no human contact while we play a game end to end' folks are farking dinosaurs.
 
2013-02-21 04:09:45 AM
Deep Down kind of looks like an iPhone game.....

That's......depressing.....
 
2013-02-21 04:10:09 AM

gaspode: MayoSlather: msupf: And nothing revealed really appeals to me.

Sorry, I play games for my enjoyment, not for sharing videos of my gameplay with anyone/everyone. I could care less about the sharability of myself or my gameplay. I care about the quality of the game I play, and my ability to at least recoup some of the cost for a game that I am either done with or found lackluster compared to reviews or expectations (aliens: colonial marines, anyone?).

Lack of release date, pricing, or more detailed specs makes having your own press conference kind of pointless.

I couldn't help but think that Sony doesn't really understand their core audience by riding so heavy on the social aspects. Gamers have always leaned toward introversion, and here Sony is touting extrovert features.

I'm in the same boat, that not only do I not care about the sharing/spectating but it seems abhorrent. Gaming has always been about the games to me, and not about socializing.

You, and I, are hopelessly out of touch. Game recording boxes sell brilliantly.. my nephews and their mates watch thousands of videos of people playing games. It is a huge thing and only getting bigger.

Us '14 hour sessions with no human contact while we play a game end to end' folks are farking dinosaurs.


I disagree. Obviously there are people that record and share their gaming, but I wouldn't call it anything close to a majority. E.g. The last COD had to take extra measures to sell their theater mode because they found few people were actually using it, and that's a game based on the multiplayer experience.
 
2013-02-21 04:17:05 AM

Tax Boy: mongbiohazard: I'll still want one. I've got plenty of games I've purchased through Steam... To have access to all of them and any new ones I buy through Steam too AND in a form factor that fits nicely under my TV? Sign me the fark up.

[cdn.overclock.net image 850x542]

Dell's been selling the Alienware x51 for a long time

/expensive, but it exists. and has steam pre-loaded


You're aware that you don't need a special computer to hook it up to a big flat panel, right?  I know.  I've seen me do it.  Within minutes of unboxing my first big HDTV, it was connected to my computer back in '07.  Or was it '06?
 
2013-02-21 04:29:58 AM

Mike_LowELL: If the PlayStation 4 doesn't sell 250 million units in its first month, I am going to be sorely disappointed.


You're going to be sorely disappointed
 
2013-02-21 04:44:01 AM

spamdog: Just farting out of my mouth here, but you know what I'd love to see in a console?

- Officially sanctioned homebrew software and games


XBox 360 and PSN both have indie games

- No paid license required to run your own code on your console

Unlikely, you'll pretty much always need a dev kit/license

- Inbuilt media center with support for pirate-friendly formats, and easy integreation with network file shares/external HDD's

Xbox 360 and PS3 have home media streaming. Pirate friendly formats? Video formats? HAHAHAHA. External HDDs just plug in and there it all is.

- Easily swappable HDD bay

Meh, I'm guessing this is so you can take your games with you and play elsewhere.

- Less cocking around with profiles and such - if only I had like a card or some widget with an RFID chip or something which I could plug into the controller and it would have my saves/profile on it.

Certainly you can store profiles on the 360 memory card, and in the cloud if you're Gold. Can't remember  how PSN does it.

- Free online multiplayer service (cost is quite prohibitive in Australia, although I believe it has gone down recently)

Is PSN still free? Otherwise yeah, it's a pain but you can get the odd deal here and there for XBL Gold

- TV, and TV recording

Coming soon I'm sure. 

Of course, there's just too much greed involved so nothing like that will ever happen.

True, but then they are consoles built by corporations, entities whose sole purpose is to take money from consumers and redistribute it to themselves and their shareholders. It'll be interesting to see what the Valve machine will do and how well it does it. Will it get homebrewed within minutes and what levels of copy protection is it going to have.
 
2013-02-21 04:54:55 AM
After being a loyal supporter of Playstation for about 15 years now I can honestly say it took them less than 2 hours to lose me as a customer.
 
2013-02-21 04:55:48 AM

cretinbob: Mike_LowELL: If the PlayStation 4 doesn't sell 250 million units in its first month, I am going to be sorely disappointed.

You're going to be sorely disappointed


That's why I stopped buying Chinese made sarcasm detectors, I was tired of being disappointed.  Only the finest, vintage Yugoslavian detectors for me now; I know the secret code on monoprice.
 
2013-02-21 05:03:55 AM
Colour me underwhelmed. I have a PS3...

There've been no updates to the music player (can't queue music up), and none to the visualisations in the last 6 years.  I realise this is pretty minor, but surely that's all the reason it should've been done. I mean, all those farking updates but NEVER anything in there that gives me anything I want or need.

It doesn't play many formats natively although I can stream film and television to it. But the streaming can be patchy and it really doesn't like MKVs - unless I mux them - and even then that'shiat and miss.  That's about 1/3 of my entertainment unwatchable. Oh and good luck streaming something with subtitles and having it sync.

Now I see they've updated the store (to make it look iPad friendly it seems) and - huzzah! -  you can download apps.  BUT, oh nope, they're all built for the handheld thing so that's another half-assed feature.

Sony's lack of imagination and effort when it comes to it's user base really doesn't impress me and it certainly doesn't inspire me to go through this again, especially not after that incredible security debacle (No, Sony, I haven't forgotten).

I strongly doubt I'll get a PS4.
 
2013-02-21 05:08:18 AM

skodabunny: It doesn't play many formats natively although I can stream film and television to it. But the streaming can be patchy and it really doesn't like MKVs - unless I mux them - and even then that'shiat and miss. That's about 1/3 of my entertainment unwatchable. Oh and good luck streaming something with subtitles and having it sync.


I bet if you got something like the Vuze bit torrent client you could transcode and serve up your media pretty effortlessly.
 
2013-02-21 05:14:58 AM

Tickle Mittens: skodabunny: It doesn't play many formats natively although I can stream film and television to it. But the streaming can be patchy and it really doesn't like MKVs - unless I mux them - and even then that'shiat and miss. That's about 1/3 of my entertainment unwatchable. Oh and good luck streaming something with subtitles and having it sync.

I bet if you got something like the Vuze bit torrent client you could transcode and serve up your media pretty effortlessly.


I've been using (various iterations of) PS3 Media Server. I tried something else (can't remember it's name) that was very similar but the problems were the same. I'll look into it though, never heard of Vuze.

In my PS3's defence I will say it's damn quiet.
 
2013-02-21 05:25:37 AM

King Keepo: Unlikely, you'll pretty much always need a dev kit/license


The dev kits for the Ouya is freeware available to anyone who wants to download it. As for selling the games, they're putting together their own marketplace where anyone will be able to sell their games.
 
2013-02-21 05:36:15 AM
I'll be picking one up for Watch Dogs and the new Infamous games alone.  I mean, Watch Dogs looks like GTA if you were a good guy with the hacking ability of Zero Cool.  While I am disappointed that I have to wait for a new console release, at least I know they'll likely have a AAA game out the gate this time.
 
2013-02-21 05:39:43 AM

skodabunny: Tickle Mittens: skodabunny: It doesn't play many formats natively although I can stream film and television to it. But the streaming can be patchy and it really doesn't like MKVs - unless I mux them - and even then that'shiat and miss. That's about 1/3 of my entertainment unwatchable. Oh and good luck streaming something with subtitles and having it sync.

I bet if you got something like the Vuze bit torrent client you could transcode and serve up your media pretty effortlessly.

I've been using (various iterations of) PS3 Media Server. I tried something else (can't remember it's name) that was very similar but the problems were the same. I'll look into it though, never heard of Vuze.

In my PS3's defence I will say it's damn quiet.


I think the program you are talking about is "TVersity."  It works ok.  But yeah, MKV issues.

I downloaded Freemake and just convert everything to MP4 now.  Works like a charm.
 
2013-02-21 05:41:52 AM
I guess I should now keep that $20k $13k of Sony I've been sitting on since I thought "every tech compnay bounces back from the panic selling after a hack". Their stock took a kicking on the Nikkei last night our time. :-P
 
2013-02-21 05:42:56 AM
I deserve a free one for loyalty .... I've now bought about ten PSx devices, not to mention holding their crappy stock.
 
2013-02-21 05:45:15 AM
I stopped playing video games a while back and started playing musical... well, lets call them instruments.

www.futuremusic.com

I think I'm going to preorder the new Ableton Push controller and the Premium package of 9. It's only $1200 for the maximum package, and if I manage to publish stuff the whole thing might be tax deductible. But this new era of gear is a whole lotta fun.
 
2013-02-21 05:52:33 AM

star_topology: Diablo 3 to PS4

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL


Yeah, I saw that while skimming the video. I don't get it. Why?
 
2013-02-21 05:55:52 AM

ParaHandy: I guess I should now keep that $20k $13k of Sony I've been sitting on since I thought "every tech compnay bounces back from the panic selling after a hack". Their stock took a kicking on the Nikkei last night our time. :-P


I believe Sony's problems aren't necessarily related to the playstation, and when it looked like one of their more successful ventures was also taking a hit people reacted. Since then the Vita hasn't exactly inspired hope, and I wouldn't bank on the PS4 changing their fortunes anytime soon even if it ultimately is regarded as a success a few years from now. That being said the stock may see an uptick occasionally as more news is released leading up to the launch.
 
2013-02-21 06:13:47 AM

Nightenstaff: Surprised by the amount of hate in this thread.
/never owned a Sony product


The second one leads directly into why you don't understand the first one.  fark Sony, and to a lesser extent MS too
/For the glory of the master gaming race
 
2013-02-21 06:31:09 AM
Sony sucks these days. More than happy with Steam on my pc although i did pre-order an Ouya.  http://www.ouya.tv
 
2013-02-21 06:48:18 AM

jso2897: Yeah, I saw that while skimming the video. I don't get it. Why?


I think it's because Diablo 3 didn't hit like the first two did.  The first two got a huge following, and people are still playing them today.  But D3 lost me before it even went on sale with their real-money auction house.  Why even pretend to have a working in game economy?  And a lot of their accessibility attempts just made it so bland that the hardcore lost interest fairly quickly.

I think this is an attempt to milk the property further.
 
2013-02-21 06:57:17 AM
Meh.

I think that just about sums it up.
 
2013-02-21 07:00:20 AM

WhyteRaven74: King Keepo: Unlikely, you'll pretty much always need a dev kit/license

The dev kits for the Ouya is freeware available to anyone who wants to download it. As for selling the games, they're putting together their own marketplace where anyone will be able to sell their games.


Android dev kits are ten-a-penny and open source by nature. Yes it's a console, but essentially phone hardware you plug into the tv. And that marketplace is going to have good games and a lot of bad ones unless there's some kind of policy and quality control sitting behind it all. Great if you want to get into it and hope your game is spotted as the next big IP.
 
2013-02-21 07:50:34 AM

Cpl.D: Tax Boy: mongbiohazard: I'll still want one. I've got plenty of games I've purchased through Steam... To have access to all of them and any new ones I buy through Steam too AND in a form factor that fits nicely under my TV? Sign me the fark up.

[cdn.overclock.net image 850x542]

Dell's been selling the Alienware x51 for a long time

/expensive, but it exists. and has steam pre-loaded

Screw alienware.  I bought an m17x a while back.  Still using it.  Guess what?  I can't use drivers from Nvidia.  I gotta use dell's site.  Something about Nvidia not supporting the onboard video blah blah blah.  So check the dell site and dig up the 280m drivers for the m17x.

They're from 2010.  Oh, and dell support tells me, "There's no need to use updated drivers."

So, yeah.  Go ahead and enjoy alienware.  Let us know how it works out.


It's a commercially-available pc in a console form-factor w/similar dimensions to an xbox 360. Didn't say it was any good.

/is dirty console-playing peasant
 
2013-02-21 08:01:36 AM

spamdog: Just farting out of my mouth here, but you know what I'd love to see in a console?

- Officially sanctioned homebrew software and games
- No paid license required to run your own code on your console
- Inbuilt media center with support for pirate-friendly formats, and easy integreation with network file shares/external HDD's
- Easily swappable HDD bay
- Less cocking around with profiles and such - if only I had like a card or some widget with an RFID chip or something which I could plug into the controller and it would have my saves/profile on it.
- Free online multiplayer service (cost is quite prohibitive in Australia, although I believe it has gone down recently)
- TV, and TV recording

Of course, there's just too much greed involved so nothing like that will ever happen.


So... you want a PC?
 
2013-02-21 08:02:30 AM

Sinister Plans: Would have been nice to have a comments thread during the well publicized press conference. The sports tab get wrestling and champions league and we geeks can't get a comments thread for major console releases?


would have been a disaster since the livestream was having a heart attack at most websites...

as for the ps4 as we know it so far, the only things that stood out to me as cool in the long run was being able to play a game while downloading it, and being able to share video clips instantly

the system architecture is ok i guess, 8gb gddr5 was definitely a surprise but whats up with an x86 cpu? obviously only using 8gb would only require an x86 architecture but everybody is moving on to x64

the other stuff was whatever, don't care about sony's kinect, don't care for dualshock 4's touchpad or giant light, the cross-game invite is good i guess but it's also already been done on multiple platforms, the emphasis on facebook-esque features doesn't interest me... also, killzone - seriously don't give a damn about that franchise anymore after playing the ps3 games, those games were chock full of amazing scripted sequences as well and looked better than most other ps3/360 games but guess what? games were still awful!
 
2013-02-21 08:12:39 AM
Did anyone else notice the blatant switch in image quality during the killzone 4 demo? The draw distance was almost completely destroyed when it switched to having a HUD. The dirt getting thrown on the camera before ending the movie and having the protagonist look directly at the ground before going back to the movie were cheap tricks.
 
2013-02-21 08:15:56 AM

Beerguy: The Steam Box will conquer all!

[cdn2.sbnation.com image 850x566]


That's cute that Steam thinks selling a console is going to replace the millions of installs on PCs. Why the hell would I spend more money to do something I can already do?
 
2013-02-21 08:30:36 AM

AdamK: also, killzone - seriously don't give a damn about that franchise anymore after playing the ps3 games, those games were chock full of amazing scripted sequences as well and looked better than most other ps3/360 games but guess what? games were still awful!


I don't think they were awful so much as generic.  It's like Halo for me:  Well done in the genre, but just very bland to the point of flavorless. There's nothing in the universe that really stands out as interesting or unique (ugly aliens threaten, we fight them) but they were incredibly well done for what they are.  The controls were tight and had a sense of weight to them.  The guns were satisfying.  The multiplayer was fun, but forgettable.  

If they could do something with the same team and make it like a MAG-type game, only in the future with future weapons, I think they could make something interesting.  But as it is, it's a "Me Too!" of Halo a couple years too late.
 
2013-02-21 08:37:04 AM

RoxtarRyan: Beerguy: The Steam Box will conquer all!

[cdn2.sbnation.com image 850x566]

That's cute that Steam thinks selling a console is going to replace the millions of installs on PCs. Why the hell would I spend more money to do something I can already do?


You may wan't to do some research.

The Steam Box will allow you to access any of the controller enabled games that ARE ALREADY ON YOUR STEAM ACCOUNT so that you can play them on your T.V.
 
kab
2013-02-21 08:39:44 AM

Shadowknight: I think it's because Diablo 3 didn't hit like the first two did. The first two got a huge following, and people are still playing them today. But D3 lost me before it even went on sale with their real-money auction house. Why even pretend to have a working in game economy? And a lot of their accessibility attempts just made it so bland that the hardcore lost interest fairly quickly.

I think this is an attempt to milk the property further.


I've done more than my share of D3 bashing, but you have to admit that this game actually is a hit from a sales perspective.  And while the latest patch is still fairly new and probably skews population numbers, there's a surprisingly large number of folks playing the game.

The game definitely could have been more than it is, but I'd certainly never say that it bombed.

In some alternate universe, the game was released as an isometric as it is now, but also allowed players to jump, and for maps to have z-axis.   It also shipped with a toolkit for players to create their own dungeons.  And there was much celebration heard from basements worldwide.
 
kab
2013-02-21 08:47:36 AM

Beerguy: The Steam Box will allow you to access any of the controller enabled games that ARE ALREADY ON YOUR STEAM ACCOUNT so that you can play them on your T.V.


Lets approach it from this angle then.  Why do I want a separate box to do this when I can simply lug my theoretical uber-desktop PC out of the office, go plug that into the living room TV, and essentially accomplish the same thing?

This thing will live or die entirely by its price point, IMO.
 
2013-02-21 08:57:25 AM

Beerguy: RoxtarRyan: Beerguy: The Steam Box will conquer all!

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That's cute that Steam thinks selling a console is going to replace the millions of installs on PCs. Why the hell would I spend more money to do something I can already do?

You may wan't to do some research.

The Steam Box will allow you to access any of the controller enabled games that ARE ALREADY ON YOUR STEAM ACCOUNT so that you can play them on your T.V.


You may want to do some research yourself, as you can already do that with a PC. Get a USB controller (wired xbox 360 controllers work also), and use your big screen as a monitor. Not difficult, and less expensive than buying another console. This offers nothing that my PC already does, and seems like a cheap cash grab by Valve.
 
2013-02-21 09:03:01 AM

AdamK: the system architecture is ok i guess, 8gb gddr5 was definitely a surprise but whats up with an x86 cpu? obviously only using 8gb would only require an x86 architecture but everybody is moving on to x64


It is x86-64 (or x64). Most people just use "x86" as a generic term now, meaning the overall instruction set compatibility. Even the Intel Atom has built-in 64-bit support nowadays, although it needs to be "enabled" by the integrator (right chipset, etc). And even then, they're generally referred to not as an "x86 CPU", but simply as "Atom". Neither AMD nor Intel has really made a mainstream x86 CPU w/out 64-bit support for the past 5+ years.
 
2013-02-21 09:25:02 AM

kab: I've done more than my share of D3 bashing, but you have to admit that this game actually is a hit from a sales perspective.  And while the latest patch is still fairly new and probably skews population numbers, there's a surprisingly large number of folks playing the game.

The game definitely could have been more than it is, but I'd certainly never say that it bombed.

In some alternate universe, the game was released as an isometric as it is now, but also allowed players to jump, and for maps to have z-axis.   It also shipped with a toolkit for players to create their own dungeons.  And there was much celebration heard from basements worldwide.


No, it certainly didn't bomb.  But you have to think:  They put the auction house with real money in it so that they could make huge money off the game for a long time.  It stood to reason, after all, since the first two games had/has such a large, loyal following.  But D3, while still a decent seller, doesn't have the replay it's predecessors had.  Be it a botched release, dumbing down of beloved features, or just a change in artistic style, it doesn't seem to have the staying power.

Then, I've heard compelling arguments about design choices present in the original PC version being decidedly console-like, so this very well could have been planned since the start.
 
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