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(Aint-It-Cool-News)   Mark Hamill says George Lucas said that he'd have Luke, Leia, or Han killed off if the actors didn't want to return for a sequel. Luke, Leia, and Han appear to be alive and well   (aintitcool.com) divider line 33
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2013-02-21 06:14:47 AM  
4 votes:
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Best part - when the next one opens, me, both my sons and my grandson will be sitting in the audience reading, "A long long time ago...."

THAT, my friends, is what it's about.
2013-02-20 11:24:33 PM  
3 votes:
You know what's great about this new trilogy? The fact that it will (probably) destroy the EU set after the movies.. Especially the newer stuff.
2013-02-20 11:14:13 PM  
3 votes:
Sequels fail without Ponda Baba

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2013-02-20 11:12:39 PM  
3 votes:
Because we all got assraped by the Prequels to the point we fart silently. Having your inner child stomped out with utter crap tends to do that.
2013-02-21 02:28:58 PM  
2 votes:

Champion of the Sun: I trust Bill Murray.  He didn't want to do Ghostbusters 3 because no one wants to see old people fighting ghosts, and no one wants to see Egon giving a proton pac to Jonah Hill.  Trust Bill Murray.


Jonah Hill? Hell no.

But give a proton pack to Nathan Fillion and I might be interested. Give one to Matt Smith and the Internet will explode. Give one to Emma Stone and every seat will sell.
2013-02-21 10:37:31 AM  
2 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: Metaluna Mutant: As the years go by, I increasingly put the prequels into the "things that were never filmed" genre like matrix sequels, Raiders of the Lost Ark sequels or any Alien film after Aliens. My imagination of the clone wars and the making of Darth Vader when I was 15 was better than anything from the prequels.

The fact that GL won't be behind the script, camera, auditioning process etc is why I am excited about these. And while I love American grafitti, thx 1138 and ANH, everything else Lucas has directed has been shiat, frankly.

At least you're honest. Most people won't admit that their ideas didn't match George Lucas vision.

Of course your idea is better because YOU thought of it. I happen to like the Prequels because Uncle George thought of them. You know, the guy whose prequels were critically well received and did great box office?

But of course, I'm sure your films are equally good...


You're missing the point. The world GL describes in the original trilogy doesn't match what he put into the prequels. Not only did he fark up his own timelines but the characters don't make any sense.

Case and point: Anakin is fatally flawed the moment you meet him in episode 2. His character is brash, stupid, impatient, asinine, and all around annoying. That's not the Anakin that GL originally laid out for the viewer in the original movies. By all accounts he was an honorable jedi knight who was THEN corrupted by the dark side. He was smart, rational and calculating. He was an honorable man at one point. In fact, he was always an honorable man but his pursuit of power and corruption by the dark side changed him...until the end.

GL failed to even understand the story he created and that is why the prequels are trash.
2013-02-21 10:20:01 AM  
2 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: knoxvelour: Darth_Lukecash: knoxvelour: oh...and Cumberbatch for Thrawn

Nah. Nothing from EU.

I'm not into the EU either, but he is a popular character so I could see them including him in some way

One if the concepts I disliked from EU was that the Empire was Human only club.

It certainly couldn't have survived long with that attitude.

The only reason why it was that way, was simply because of budgetary reasons. Lucas really couldn't afford to have a lot of makeup heavy scenes.


What part about space Nazis did you not get?
2013-02-21 07:07:03 AM  
2 votes:

Mentat: AnotherBluesStringer: Add me to this list. I was even semi-apologetic towards the sequels. Thought maybe that I was just holding them to a gold standard they would never reach. Truth is, they just bungled it. They made three, really solid movies. Way too many years later, they say let's make more movies, and instead of doing sequels then, when the original actors could have passed the torch in a dignified way, they do prequels. Cool. Whatever. That should have been the end of it. Especially after those movies. Now, the original actors are old, I doubt they really care all that much. It's quite obvious Disney just wants to cash in on the franchise. They're planning a plethora of spin-offs. It just seems like their heart isn't in it, so why should mine.

Eventually someone's going to come in here and complain about whiny nostalgic Gen-Xers, but that's really not it for me.  George Lucas is brilliant at creating worlds.  He's a shiatty writer and director.  He can't write dialog to save his life and he is probably the only man in the universe that could make a Meryl Streep performance look wooden.  He should never be anything but a producer.  Star Wars was at its best when he had a core groups around him (namely Marsha Lucas and Gary Kurtz) who would tell him to fark off when he started getting stupid.  But once he was too big to be told off, the franchise suffered.

The Disney buyout is a double-edged sword.  On the one hand, it cuts Lucas out and frees the franchise up to be reexamined by fresh eyes.  Unfortunately, those fresh eyes belong to JJ Abrams.  I can't wait for Damon Lindelof's interpretation of Star Wars.  The fact that Disney is brazenly promoting the "Fark it, we're putting out a new movie every year!" strategy seals it for me.

But again, I'm not the demographic they're after anymore.  So be it.


"This world is made of WATER. This one is made of SAND. It's desert! This planet is made of LAVA! This planet is made of CITY!"

Yeah, he's a super-genius at world-building, fer sure.
2013-02-21 03:09:31 AM  
2 votes:
Having Ford, Fisher and Hamill return is either gonna suck or be unbelievably awesome. Quite frankly, I would rather they return and so do most fans. Those complaining about it are ageists and are just plain nuts.
2013-02-21 12:44:51 AM  
2 votes:
oh...and Cumberbatch for Thrawn
2013-02-21 12:32:55 AM  
2 votes:
If they need to introduce elements of the EU into the new films, then may I suggest Polly Walker as an older Mara Jade?

/actually used to picture Nimoy as Thrawn...
2013-02-20 11:13:07 PM  
2 votes:
Who cares what George "Fatbeard" Lucas has to say? Nobody's letting him write or direct anymore.
2013-02-21 05:32:03 PM  
1 votes:

xria: karmachameleon: Yeah, I said "highly quotable".  :-)  Meaning, lines that most people (even non-geeks) would easily recognize.  "Use the force, Luke."  "Size matters not.  Judge me by my size, do you?"  "May the force be with you."  "I find your lack of faith disturbing."  "No, I am your father."  (Frequently misquoted as, "Luke, I am your father," or some variant.)  Instantly recognizable by virtually everyone, and I could come up with dozens more.  The lines you quoted up above, not so much.

That really isn't much of a judgment though - popular films from 3 decades ago the quotes will be more widely known than much more recent films, regardless of their relative quality. There are much better things to criticize about the prequels.


That's not why they're better known, and you know it.  Yes, there are better things to criticize; this is just an exercise similar to Red Letter Media's exercise about the characterizations.  There are a number of exercises along these lines you could perform that demonstrate the vast superiority of the original films over the prequels.
2013-02-21 01:57:04 PM  
1 votes:
I trust Bill Murray.  He didn't want to do Ghostbusters 3 because no one wants to see old people fighting ghosts, and no one wants to see Egon giving a proton pac to Jonah Hill.  Trust Bill Murray.
2013-02-21 10:34:17 AM  
1 votes:
Attack of the Clones had one (maybe two) saving graces.....

Natalie Portman was smugglin' some nice grapes there.
2013-02-21 09:47:50 AM  
1 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: knoxvelour: oh...and Cumberbatch for Thrawn

Nah. Nothing from EU.


Agreed.

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2013-02-21 08:17:53 AM  
1 votes:
Best thing about the prequels was John Williams "Duel of the Fates" which was the only single part of the films that rose to the level of anything in the originals.
2013-02-21 06:05:16 AM  
1 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: As far as your issues, I understand them, just don't agree with you on every point. As a writer, Lucas acknowledges he sucks. He tried to get his old writer back. The writer thought Lucas wouldn't be happy no matter who wrote it, so he encouraged Lucas do it himself.

Personally, i love his concepts- his dialog sucks ass.

However, the point of Star Wars was to replicate the cheesy movie serials of the golden age of cinema. Just with better special effects. That included bad acting and horrible writing. As a director of actors, he's view has been, "I hired you to act, so you create the character." Some thrive on this freedom, some struggle. Most noticeably the younger ones had issues.

As far as CGI goes, I'm pretty sure that most people have no concept what CGI is...but a good chunk of The Prequels were still practical.

Your other issues are a matter of taste and opinions. But I enjoyed The Prequels for what they were... Star Wars Movies. If I wanted a great sci fi movie I'd watch Moon or District 9.


I get that you're geeky for Star Wars - that's cool, so am I.  But you really don't understand, and maybe don't care that you don't understand, anything about filmmaking, do you?  Because the contention that the prequels are every bit on the same level of filmmaking quality as the originals (or worse, that the originals are just as bad as the prequels and we just refuse to recognize that out of a sense of nostalgia) is completely inane.

Yes, it's been absent from the thread so far, but here it comes, because it's rightfully the definitive resource:  the Red Letter Media reviews make a bulletproof argument for why the prequel films are objectively bad films, in fact some of the worst films ever made, despite their rich production values.  I don't care if you like RLM's style or not, but he's a guy who obviously knows his stuff (especially when it comes to writing), and if you get past the tasteless humor and the funny voice and the sidelines in the videos, and just focus on the basic arguments, explanations and examples, it's crystal clear and inarguable why the prequels are awful, awful movies.  I think two of the very best examples come from the Phantom Menace review:  the comparison of opening shots between "Star Wars" and "Phantom Menace", and the exercise in describing characters without using their names, costumes or occupations.  Brilliant segments that inescapably drive the point home.
2013-02-21 03:59:06 AM  
1 votes:

Mugato: Isn't it farked up that as a Star Wars fan from birth, I somehow don't care about this? I'm not a hater by any means. I want to care, I really do. What's wrong with me? Is it the alcohol? Because I've been drunk through and have supportive the Prequels so that's not it.


Is that why you post liberally in every single Star Wars thread that hits Fark?
2013-02-21 01:21:56 AM  
1 votes:

knoxvelour: Darth_Lukecash: knoxvelour: oh...and Cumberbatch for Thrawn

Nah. Nothing from EU.

I'm not into the EU either, but he is a popular character so I could see them including him in some way


One if the concepts I disliked from EU was that the Empire was Human only club.

It certainly couldn't have survived long with that attitude.

The only reason why it was that way, was simply because of budgetary reasons. Lucas really couldn't afford to have a lot of makeup heavy scenes.
2013-02-21 12:54:03 AM  
1 votes:

Metaluna Mutant: As the years go by, I increasingly put the prequels into the "things that were never filmed" genre like matrix sequels, Raiders of the Lost Ark sequels or any Alien film after Aliens. My imagination of the clone wars and the making of Darth Vader when I was 15 was better than anything from the prequels.

The fact that GL won't be behind the script, camera, auditioning process etc is why I am excited about these. And while I love American grafitti, thx 1138 and ANH, everything else Lucas has directed has been shiat, frankly.


At least you're honest. Most people won't admit that their ideas didn't match George Lucas vision.

Of course your idea is better because YOU thought of it. I happen to like the Prequels because Uncle George thought of them. You know, the guy whose prequels were critically well received and did great box office?

But of course, I'm sure your films are equally good...
2013-02-21 12:43:04 AM  
1 votes:
I think anything with an episode number should follow the Skywalker family. There are a lot of themes from previous movies that can be revisited. I like the idea of the side movies to further explore the universe.

Although I think a great reveal in Revenge of the Sith was wasted. What if we found out Luke and Leia were only two of triplets and there was an unaccounted for brother or sister who grew up on a darker path?
2013-02-21 12:26:40 AM  
1 votes:
As the years go by, I increasingly put the prequels into the "things that were never filmed" genre like matrix sequels, Raiders of the Lost Ark sequels or any Alien film after Aliens. My imagination of the clone wars and the making of Darth Vader when I was 15 was better than anything from the prequels.

The fact that GL won't be behind the script, camera, auditioning process etc is why I am excited about these. And while I love American grafitti, thx 1138 and ANH, everything else Lucas has directed has been shiat, frankly.
2013-02-21 12:16:27 AM  
1 votes:
People that criticize the prequels REALLY need to go back and watch the original films with a critical eye.   You could easily make the case that they're as chock full of shiatty dialogue and lame plot points as the prequels are.

"What I told you was true....from a certain point of view."  <-- Ummmmmm...OK.
2013-02-21 12:04:00 AM  
1 votes:
"Luke, join me or you'll star in Corvette Summer."

/one of my all-time fave riffs
2013-02-21 12:03:23 AM  
1 votes:
I for one can't wait to see an old Mark Hamill joke it up with a cgi Gungan.

Can't you just picture him cock his head to the side, smile and say 'Oh JarJar Junior!'
2013-02-21 12:01:06 AM  
1 votes:

hawcian: You know what's great about this new trilogy? The fact that it will (probably) destroy the EU set after the movies.. Especially the newer stuff.


Anything that eradicates the influence of Kevin J. Anderson is a good thing.
2013-02-20 11:58:01 PM  
1 votes:

hawcian: You know what's great about this new trilogy? The fact that it will (probably) destroy the EU set after the movies.. Especially the newer stuff.


To be fair, if they were like "fark those republic chumps, the rest of SW is about THRAWN MOTHERfarkER" that would be entirely acceptable even if it stayed within the defined EU.

Or, episode 7: Shadows of the Empire
episode 8: Thrawn part 1
episode 9: Thrawn part 2

It'd be like having "where eagles dare: Satr Wars edition" followed by "The Blue and the Grey: in SPAAAACE".

//farking awesome.
2013-02-20 11:34:43 PM  
1 votes:
I really don't like the idea of their children being somehow destined for greatness. It's just stupid. It'd make sense to see Luke, as the head Jedi, rebuilding the order, but the rest of the main cast doesn't really make much sense. Maybe Han as a burned out, drunken old whoremonger of a warhorse, occasionally trotted out for the cameras, mourning his lost youth, wanting to relive the glory days. Leia, I don't know, Carrie Fisher's just in no way in any condition to reprise that role. Unless, after she and Han split up, she fell into a depression, fell in with the Hutts, and ate them.

The problem with having their kids in it, is that it goes totally against the original trilogy. Look at Luke's life and upbringing. He was a nobody, one of the common people, a farmboy from a backwater world. And when Han was in trouble with the Hutts, it's not like he could call his dad to bail him out, he had to deal with that shiat, to survive by his own cunning, skill, and those very few he called friend. That sort of thing isn't inherited.

New characters are really a requirement. And none of that bloodline crap. If the old characters appear at all, they should be supporting roles.
2013-02-20 11:20:52 PM  
1 votes:

HMS_Blinkin: Mugato: Isn't it farked up that as a Star Wars fan from birth, I somehow don't care about this? I'm not a hater by any means. I want to care, I really do. What's wrong with me? Is it the alcohol? Because I've been drunk through and have supportive the Prequels so that's not it.

I'm the same way.  I think the prequels just burned me out.  The other problem is that I was really really hoping they wouldn't bring back the old actors OR old characters.  They should have started totally fresh with a new plotline, new characters, and a different period of galactic history.  I just don't think they can tie the old actors into it without it seeming gimmicky or restricting the script's possibilities too much.


I enjoyed the prequels. I've waited years to see Anakins and Obiwans story, and I got it!

For me, it's the fact that Star Wars will never be "over". Before, it was like a little epic story of a family that had a beginning, middle, and end. It's why I liked Simalarion-Hobbit/Lord if the Rings.

It will be great to see different takes- but at the same time- there will be people who will try to be "kewel", "Radical", "Extreme" or "grim and gritty"
2013-02-20 11:15:57 PM  
1 votes:
CGI renders the need for specific actors irrelevant. You can limp around their absence enough to get the story across.

That said, one of the nice things about star wars was that it had a fairly well tied off "Happily ever after" ending.
Going back to kill characters seems like a dick move at this point.
They'd have been better off to pick the story up well after the time period of the main cast, just as the prequel took place before them.
2013-02-20 10:05:29 PM  
1 votes:

Mugato: Isn't it farked up that as a Star Wars fan from birth, I somehow don't care about this? I'm not a hater by any means. I want to care, I really do. What's wrong with me? Is it the alcohol? Because I've been drunk through and have supportive the Prequels so that's not it.


I'm the same way.  I think the prequels just burned me out.  The other problem is that I was really really hoping they wouldn't bring back the old actors OR old characters.  They should have started totally fresh with a new plotline, new characters, and a different period of galactic history.  I just don't think they can tie the old actors into it without it seeming gimmicky or restricting the script's possibilities too much.
2013-02-20 09:46:56 PM  
1 votes:
Isn't it farked up that as a Star Wars fan from birth, I somehow don't care about this? I'm not a hater by any means. I want to care, I really do. What's wrong with me? Is it the alcohol? Because I've been drunk through and have supportive the Prequels so that's not it.
 
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