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(Aint-It-Cool-News)   Mark Hamill says George Lucas said that he'd have Luke, Leia, or Han killed off if the actors didn't want to return for a sequel. Luke, Leia, and Han appear to be alive and well   (aintitcool.com) divider line 148
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2013-02-21 12:59:38 AM

contrapunctus: People that criticize the prequels REALLY need to go back and watch the original films with a critical eye.   You could easily make the case that they're as chock full of shiatty dialogue and lame plot points as the prequels are.

"What I told you was true....from a certain point of view."  <-- Ummmmmm...OK.


That last line was after Lucas lost it.  It foreshadowed the suckiness of the prequels.

But, no, you can't "easily" make the case that the OT was as bad at the Prequels.  For one thing they had an actual character arc, more than one actually.  The prequels are horrible films.  The original films - especially the first two - not so much.
 
2013-02-21 01:02:02 AM
So Luke and Leia got married and had a bunch of space retards?
 
2013-02-21 01:11:01 AM

Darth_Lukecash: knoxvelour: oh...and Cumberbatch for Thrawn

Nah. Nothing from EU.


I'm not into the EU either, but he is a popular character so I could see them including him in some way
 
2013-02-21 01:12:20 AM
Why are you people talking?

It doesn't matter what they do. You're going to hate it and I can't stand listening to any of you sick shiat farks.
 
2013-02-21 01:15:39 AM
Disney has made it clear that they're intent on cranking out a number of movies now that they have the rights to the movies. Yoda movies, Boba Fett movies, a trilogy based off of that guy who got his arm cut off in the Cantina, another trilogy about the Ewok who decided to become an accountant, but was drawn to the dark side and became a whistle blower in the Enron case.

I remember being so excited when "Return of the Jedi" came out. I was seven and it was all anyone talked about.

I hope that my kids are as excited about these new movies so I can take them. But after the prequels, I'm not holding out any excitement for myself.
 
2013-02-21 01:21:56 AM

knoxvelour: Darth_Lukecash: knoxvelour: oh...and Cumberbatch for Thrawn

Nah. Nothing from EU.

I'm not into the EU either, but he is a popular character so I could see them including him in some way


One if the concepts I disliked from EU was that the Empire was Human only club.

It certainly couldn't have survived long with that attitude.

The only reason why it was that way, was simply because of budgetary reasons. Lucas really couldn't afford to have a lot of makeup heavy scenes.
 
2013-02-21 01:23:27 AM

jj325: Sequels fail without Ponda Baba

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He doesn't like you. I don't like you either.
 
2013-02-21 01:28:20 AM

marcre3363: Disney has made it clear that they're intent on cranking out a number of movies now that they have the rights to the movies. Yoda movies, Boba Fett movies, a trilogy based off of that guy who got his arm cut off in the Cantina, another trilogy about the Ewok who decided to become an accountant, but was drawn to the dark side and became a whistle blower in the Enron case.

I remember being so excited when "Return of the Jedi" came out. I was seven and it was all anyone talked about.

I hope that my kids are as excited about these new movies so I can take them. But after the prequels, I'm not holding out any excitement for myself.


Did you like it? I was in my early teens...

Ewoks were my Jar Jar Binks. They damn near ruined the movie for me.

That's why Jar Jar didn't bother me. The Ewoks were a symbol of innocents return, while Jar Jar eventual disappearance was innocence lost.
 
2013-02-21 01:35:14 AM
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2013-02-21 02:02:01 AM
Goddammit, why couldn't they have done this back in '97 instead of the shiat prequels that got made?
 
2013-02-21 02:02:01 AM

Darth_Lukecash: Metaluna Mutant: As the years go by, I increasingly put the prequels into the "things that were never filmed" genre like matrix sequels, Raiders of the Lost Ark sequels or any Alien film after Aliens. My imagination of the clone wars and the making of Darth Vader when I was 15 was better than anything from the prequels.

The fact that GL won't be behind the script, camera, auditioning process etc is why I am excited about these. And while I love American grafitti, thx 1138 and ANH, everything else Lucas has directed has been shiat, frankly.

At least you're honest. Most people won't admit that their ideas didn't match George Lucas vision.

Of course your idea is better because YOU thought of it. I happen to like the Prequels because Uncle George thought of them. You know, the guy whose prequels were critically well received and did great box office?

But of course, I'm sure your films are equally good...



With Lucas casting, plotting, writing, directing, its wasted effort. The prequels ( esp 1 and 2) sucked balls, by any measure of good films. Sith had its moments because it actually had a coherent plot -- for the last half.

My own ideas were just that, ideas, I loved the idea of a long complicated backstory. Like reading Lord of the Rings, for every place or adventure there was a story behind it, only hinted at. After 20 years of waiting and wondering about sith, jedi, clone wars, palpatine and yoda, etc we got Stepin fetchit jar jar, midiclorians, deadpan acting, shiatty screenwriting and unimaginative yet still grossly overused cgi. None of the slick film making and genuine fun of ANH or Empire. As for effects, theres a reason The matrix wiped phantom menace and Two towers beat Clones at the oscars for fx. Jake Lloyd? Christ, a perfect special edition would be all his painful scenes on the cutting room floor. Only Liam Neeson comes off fairly well.

And when we finally see adult Anakin in Aotc, christiansens acting makes it shiat too, and the same worthless dialogue. Youll notice in Rots all the longer dialogue and speeches are shifted to the better actors, ewan, mcdiarmid, even Frank oz, and as little dialogue as possible done by Christiansen because he sucked. Lucas cannot direct his actors, hell they complained about it in 1976 -Fords comments about Lucas during ANH filming were particularly sharp. Terrence Stamp after TPM swore hed never work with Lucas again saying he was the worst director ever to deal with his actors. Since Stamp just had a small non recurring part he didnt have to hold his tongue unlike the stars with 3 pic contracted paychecks.

Again, I'll reiterate, with Lucas casting, plotting, writing, directing, its wasted effort. The fact that he won't have anything more to contribute than a story outline makes me optimistic. Frankly I'd love to see different SW standalone films by different directors just to see how others interpret the space fantasy opera motif. I'd love to see Del Toros vision. How about Tarantino or someone else with a love for SF/ fantasy and the vision to do something different.
 
2013-02-21 02:19:50 AM
What if a new trilogy were to follow a group of rebels, who are waging a civil war against the galactic republic. Make the original trilogy heroes the corrupted party?

You could have a perfect chance for know it all kids to rebel against their hero parents.
 
2013-02-21 02:27:41 AM

hawcian: You know what's great about this new trilogy? The fact that it will (probably) destroy the EU set after the movies.. Especially the newer stuff.


Ugh, the newer stuff was so bad I stopped reading....I realized that if I replaced the names of the major characters with something like John, Sally, Fred...I could not tell it was Star Wars.

/when the characters aren't recognizable beyond their names, it's time to stop reading.
//older stuff was good though!
 
2013-02-21 02:34:08 AM

LectertheChef: I really don't like the idea of their children being somehow destined for greatness. It's just stupid. It'd make sense to see Luke, as the head Jedi, rebuilding the order, but the rest of the main cast doesn't really make much sense. Maybe Han as a burned out, drunken old whoremonger of a warhorse, occasionally trotted out for the cameras, mourning his lost youth, wanting to relive the glory days. Leia, I don't know, Carrie Fisher's just in no way in any condition to reprise that role. Unless, after she and Han split up, she fell into a depression, fell in with the Hutts, and ate them.
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Not exactly obese, here.
 
2013-02-21 02:56:21 AM

Metaluna Mutant: Darth_Lukecash: Metaluna Mutant: As the years go by, I increasingly put the prequels into the "things that were never filmed" genre like matrix sequels, Raiders of the Lost Ark sequels or any Alien film after Aliens. My imagination of the clone wars and the making of Darth Vader when I was 15 was better than anything from the prequels.

The fact that GL won't be behind the script, camera, auditioning process etc is why I am excited about these. And while I love American grafitti, thx 1138 and ANH, everything else Lucas has directed has been shiat, frankly.

At least you're honest. Most people won't admit that their ideas didn't match George Lucas vision.

Of course your idea is better because YOU thought of it. I happen to like the Prequels because Uncle George thought of them. You know, the guy whose prequels were critically well received and did great box office?

But of course, I'm sure your films are equally good...


With Lucas casting, plotting, writing, directing, its wasted effort. The prequels ( esp 1 and 2) sucked balls, by any measure of good films. Sith had its moments because it actually had a coherent plot -- for the last half.

My own ideas were just that, ideas, I loved the idea of a long complicated backstory. Like reading Lord of the Rings, for every place or adventure there was a story behind it, only hinted at. After 20 years of waiting and wondering about sith, jedi, clone wars, palpatine and yoda, etc we got Stepin fetchit jar jar, midiclorians, deadpan acting, shiatty screenwriting and unimaginative yet still grossly overused cgi. None of the slick film making and genuine fun of ANH or Empire. As for effects, theres a reason The matrix wiped phantom menace and Two towers beat Clones at the oscars for fx. Jake Lloyd? Christ, a perfect special edition would be all his painful scenes on the cutting room floor. Only Liam Neeson comes off fairly well.

And when we finally see adult Anakin in Aotc, christiansens acting makes it shiat too, and the same worthless dialogue. Youll notice in Rots all the longer dialogue and speeches are shifted to the better actors, ewan, mcdiarmid, even Frank oz, and as little dialogue as possible done by Christiansen because he sucked. Lucas cannot direct his actors, hell they complained about it in 1976 -Fords comments about Lucas during ANH filming were particularly sharp. Terrence Stamp after TPM swore hed never work with Lucas again saying he was the worst director ever to deal with his actors. Since Stamp just had a small non recurring part he didnt have to hold his tongue unlike the stars with 3 pic contracted paychecks.

Again, I'll reiterate, with Lucas casting, plotting, writing, directing, its wasted effort. The fact that he won't have anything more to contribute than a story outline makes me optimistic. Frankly I'd love to see different SW standalone films by different directors just to see how others interpret the space fantasy opera motif. I'd love to see Del Toros vision. How about Tarantino or someone else with a love for SF/ fantasy and the vision to do something different.


Del Torros would be a damn cool one to see. Tarantino, no. I like a lot of his work, but he's far too in love with pop culture to do a decent film that's not his "style" Star Wars does have tips of the hat to culture, history and the like...but it's far more subtle

As far as your issues, I understand them, just don't agree with you on every point. As a writer, Lucas acknowledges he sucks. He tried to get his old writer back. The writer thought Lucas wouldn't be happy no matter who wrote it, so he encouraged Lucas do it himself.

Personally, i love his concepts- his dialog sucks ass.

However, the point of Star Wars was to replicate the cheesy movie serials of the golden age of cinema. Just with better special effects. That included bad acting and horrible writing. As a director of actors, he's view has been, "I hired you to act, so you create the character." Some thrive on this freedom, some struggle. Most noticeably the younger ones had issues.

As far as CGI goes, I'm pretty sure that most people have no concept what CGI is...but a good chunk of The Prequels were still practical.

Your other issues are a matter of taste and opinions. But I enjoyed The Prequels for what they were... Star Wars Movies. If I wanted a great sci fi movie I'd watch Moon or District 9.
 
2013-02-21 03:09:31 AM
Having Ford, Fisher and Hamill return is either gonna suck or be unbelievably awesome. Quite frankly, I would rather they return and so do most fans. Those complaining about it are ageists and are just plain nuts.
 
2013-02-21 03:14:32 AM

Darth_Lukecash: As a writer, Lucas acknowledges he sucks.


If only there were SOME WAY that you could HIRE other writers to write stuff for you.
If only there were more than two writers in the whole universe.
If only people were smart enough to acknowledge their strengths and weaknesses.

"hmmmm I have a couple of ideas, but I cant write. I will hire a bunch of writers. pay them to develop my ideas. I can hire some other professionals to help me decide which scripts suck and which parts work."

"we could go through a number of iterations, improving the material until we have something which doesnt completely suck worse than my ballz"

If only there were professional SF writers who had written other material in the Star Wars universe and had some chops.

LOLOLOLOLOL
/yes, he is still a filthy rich bastard. And we will still go see the next shiat which is produced. sigh
 
2013-02-21 03:16:57 AM

chewielouie: Having Ford, Fisher and Hamill return is either gonna suck or be unbelievably awesome. Quite frankly, I would rather they return and so do most fans. Those complaining about it are ageists and are just plain nuts.


You write a great story. You hire the people to play those roles. That is how great movies get made. (mostly)

When you hire the cast to play the roles the FANBOIS want to see, you get dreck.

scene 1: han and leia do something inane
scene 2: swish swich luke
scene 3: panic
scene 4: SUPER AWESOME AMAZING space battles
scene 5: ewoks flying pod racers around jar jar
scene 6: GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
 
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2013-02-21 03:30:46 AM
With how much those three will be made up or cgi'd,  I'll be happy to have the equivalent of Mark Hamill voice over work. I'll pretend the joker has learned to use the darkside of the force.
 
2013-02-21 03:32:26 AM

Nem Wan: Spanky_McFarksalot: what has gotten me back to being excited? Lucas won't be involved.

What's got me excited is that Disney went all in. They can't make their $4 billion back from one movie. They have to make a lot of successful movies. They're obligated to not just make a profitable film but to make something of value, that will make money for a long time and that will make people want more.


I wouldn't be surprised if a new trilogy will easily make over $4 billion. You have to remember all the money merchandising, music and video games make.
 
2013-02-21 03:59:06 AM

Mugato: Isn't it farked up that as a Star Wars fan from birth, I somehow don't care about this? I'm not a hater by any means. I want to care, I really do. What's wrong with me? Is it the alcohol? Because I've been drunk through and have supportive the Prequels so that's not it.


Is that why you post liberally in every single Star Wars thread that hits Fark?
 
2013-02-21 04:19:56 AM

contrapunctus: People that criticize the prequels REALLY need to go back and watch the original films with a critical eye.   You could easily make the case that they're as chock full of shiatty dialogue and lame plot points as the prequels are.

"What I told you was true....from a certain point of view."  <-- Ummmmmm...OK.


Let's see..."Star Wars" and "The Empire Strikes Back" are brilliantly plotted films with compelling narratives, fascinating and likeable characters who engage on a human level (most notably Yoda, an alien character who manages to speak and act more profoundly than any of the human characters), two of the best musical scores ever produced for film, and state-of-the-art special effects that to this day remain highly effective and convincing, and for their day were utterly groundbreaking and revolutionary.

You're right - they're just like the prequels on every count!  Oh, wait...

(No, I'm not including "Return of the Jedi", which most people readily acknowledge does not live up to the first two movies.  However, it is still head and shoulders above any of the prequels for most of the same reasons given above.)

Still don't believe me?  Let's do a simple test:  off the top of your head, quote 5 highly quotable lines from any of the first 3 movies.  That was easy, wasn't it?  Now, do the same for the last 3 movies.  Yeah, it's not quite the same, is it, especially when the first line that comes to my mind has something to do with not liking sand.
 
2013-02-21 04:24:17 AM
I never watched the new trilogy after hearing the reviews....Yea, I'm one of those.

I have my SW on a pristine old VHS box set from before Lucas began diddling with the changes. Damn Lucas for refusing to let that original version come out on digital media. The new franchise could make bank if they included the originals as a perk on a compilation set but I'm not holding my breath.

The raw aspects of 4-6 helped the experience. I forgive the mistakes and occasionally watch the tapes as is. Sad that going forward, unless you have the original VHS, the original movies can't be seen.
 
2013-02-21 04:29:48 AM

Metaluna Mutant: As the years go by, I increasingly put the prequels into the "things that were never filmed" genre like matrix sequels, Raiders of the Lost Ark sequels or any Alien film after Aliens. My imagination of the clone wars and the making of Darth Vader when I was 15 was better than anything from the prequels.


I agree.  It used to pain me when a series went south, because it never occurred to me that I could choose to ignore what I didn't like.  If GL did one thing I appreciate with the Star Wars prequels, it was teaching me that yes, it's perfectly ok to simply ignore a crappy movie and pretend it doesn't exist.  Basically, he broke me of the habit of relying on "canon", which I now realize is a pretty weak concept to begin with.  It's art, it can be anything we want it to be, or nothing at all.

"Star Trek V"?  Never heard of it.  For that matter, I ignore STI as well.  When I watched the ST movies with my kids, we went II, III, IV, VI.  It was awesome.  "Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope - Special Edition"?  A pox on that.  I have Harmy's brilliant restorations and those are what I watch with my kids.  Thank you George, for showing me the way.
 
2013-02-21 04:44:00 AM
Wait...

If the Star Wars ended after killing the emperor then what are they going to call the new series?

Star Enduring Freedom?
Star Police Action?
Star Surge?

/That last one works as a porn.
 
2013-02-21 05:04:00 AM

rkane1: I for one can't wait to see an old Mark Hamill joke it up with a cgi Gungan.

Can't you just picture him cock his head to the side, smile and say 'Oh JarJar Junior!'


"Funny" because I could totally picture it, but... fark you, NO.
 
2013-02-21 05:07:05 AM

karmachameleon: Still don't believe me?  Let's do a simple test:  off the top of your head, quote 5 highly quotable lines from any of the first 3 movies.  That was easy, wasn't it?  Now, do the same for the last 3 movies.  Yeah, it's not quite the same, is it, especially when the first line that comes to my mind has something to do with not liking sand.


Okay, here's my attempt at 5 lines of greatness from the sequels:

1. "WHEEEEEEEE!!!!"  - Little Anakin

2. "Wesa got a grand army. That's why you no liking us meesa thinks.  "  - Jar Jar

3. "Hold me, Anakin. Hold me like you did by the lake on Naboo"  - Queen Amadala

4. .......

Oh fark it, I give up. God those sequels sucked.
 
2013-02-21 06:00:42 AM
Mark Hamill says George Lucas said that he'd have Luke, Leia, or Han killed off if the actors didn't want to return for a sequel. Luke, Leia, and Han appear to be alive and well


He also sold Star Wars. Not his anymore. Hearing him blather about what he would have done is like listening to some guy go on about some chick you know and you know he didnt actually close the deal with her.

Annoying, grating, and more than a bit pathetic.
 
2013-02-21 06:05:16 AM

Darth_Lukecash: As far as your issues, I understand them, just don't agree with you on every point. As a writer, Lucas acknowledges he sucks. He tried to get his old writer back. The writer thought Lucas wouldn't be happy no matter who wrote it, so he encouraged Lucas do it himself.

Personally, i love his concepts- his dialog sucks ass.

However, the point of Star Wars was to replicate the cheesy movie serials of the golden age of cinema. Just with better special effects. That included bad acting and horrible writing. As a director of actors, he's view has been, "I hired you to act, so you create the character." Some thrive on this freedom, some struggle. Most noticeably the younger ones had issues.

As far as CGI goes, I'm pretty sure that most people have no concept what CGI is...but a good chunk of The Prequels were still practical.

Your other issues are a matter of taste and opinions. But I enjoyed The Prequels for what they were... Star Wars Movies. If I wanted a great sci fi movie I'd watch Moon or District 9.


I get that you're geeky for Star Wars - that's cool, so am I.  But you really don't understand, and maybe don't care that you don't understand, anything about filmmaking, do you?  Because the contention that the prequels are every bit on the same level of filmmaking quality as the originals (or worse, that the originals are just as bad as the prequels and we just refuse to recognize that out of a sense of nostalgia) is completely inane.

Yes, it's been absent from the thread so far, but here it comes, because it's rightfully the definitive resource:  the Red Letter Media reviews make a bulletproof argument for why the prequel films are objectively bad films, in fact some of the worst films ever made, despite their rich production values.  I don't care if you like RLM's style or not, but he's a guy who obviously knows his stuff (especially when it comes to writing), and if you get past the tasteless humor and the funny voice and the sidelines in the videos, and just focus on the basic arguments, explanations and examples, it's crystal clear and inarguable why the prequels are awful, awful movies.  I think two of the very best examples come from the Phantom Menace review:  the comparison of opening shots between "Star Wars" and "Phantom Menace", and the exercise in describing characters without using their names, costumes or occupations.  Brilliant segments that inescapably drive the point home.
 
2013-02-21 06:14:47 AM
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Best part - when the next one opens, me, both my sons and my grandson will be sitting in the audience reading, "A long long time ago...."

THAT, my friends, is what it's about.
 
2013-02-21 06:31:24 AM
This makes sense to me - it is not like you could get a different actor to do them without it being a disaster, and the plot would have to be pretty convoluted to come up with a reason why they wouldn't help out if the galaxy was in danger, so the obvious solution is they died off in the intervening years before the sequels (which presumably were going to be set 3 or so decades later to avoid the need for excessive makeup - it would fit well with a new generation of skywalkers/solos or whoever in their late teens/early twenties to be the main focus of the sequels)
 
2013-02-21 06:38:32 AM

karmachameleon: the Red Letter Media reviews


You might not have noticed it -- but your BRAIN did...
 
2013-02-21 06:44:00 AM
That makes sense.  Luke, Lei and Han just wouldn't be the same with different actors.

/remembers King Jared as Luke
 
2013-02-21 07:07:03 AM

Mentat: AnotherBluesStringer: Add me to this list. I was even semi-apologetic towards the sequels. Thought maybe that I was just holding them to a gold standard they would never reach. Truth is, they just bungled it. They made three, really solid movies. Way too many years later, they say let's make more movies, and instead of doing sequels then, when the original actors could have passed the torch in a dignified way, they do prequels. Cool. Whatever. That should have been the end of it. Especially after those movies. Now, the original actors are old, I doubt they really care all that much. It's quite obvious Disney just wants to cash in on the franchise. They're planning a plethora of spin-offs. It just seems like their heart isn't in it, so why should mine.

Eventually someone's going to come in here and complain about whiny nostalgic Gen-Xers, but that's really not it for me.  George Lucas is brilliant at creating worlds.  He's a shiatty writer and director.  He can't write dialog to save his life and he is probably the only man in the universe that could make a Meryl Streep performance look wooden.  He should never be anything but a producer.  Star Wars was at its best when he had a core groups around him (namely Marsha Lucas and Gary Kurtz) who would tell him to fark off when he started getting stupid.  But once he was too big to be told off, the franchise suffered.

The Disney buyout is a double-edged sword.  On the one hand, it cuts Lucas out and frees the franchise up to be reexamined by fresh eyes.  Unfortunately, those fresh eyes belong to JJ Abrams.  I can't wait for Damon Lindelof's interpretation of Star Wars.  The fact that Disney is brazenly promoting the "Fark it, we're putting out a new movie every year!" strategy seals it for me.

But again, I'm not the demographic they're after anymore.  So be it.


"This world is made of WATER. This one is made of SAND. It's desert! This planet is made of LAVA! This planet is made of CITY!"

Yeah, he's a super-genius at world-building, fer sure.
 
2013-02-21 07:24:00 AM

karmachameleon: contrapunctus: People that criticize the prequels REALLY need to go back and watch the original films with a critical eye.   You could easily make the case that they're as chock full of shiatty dialogue and lame plot points as the prequels are.

"What I told you was true....from a certain point of view."  <-- Ummmmmm...OK.

Let's see..."Star Wars" and "The Empire Strikes Back" are brilliantly plotted films with compelling narratives, fascinating and likeable characters who engage on a human level (most notably Yoda, an alien character who manages to speak and act more profoundly than any of the human characters), two of the best musical scores ever produced for film, and state-of-the-art special effects that to this day remain highly effective and convincing, and for their day were utterly groundbreaking and revolutionary.

You're right - they're just like the prequels on every count!  Oh, wait...

(No, I'm not including "Return of the Jedi", which most people readily acknowledge does not live up to the first two movies.  However, it is still head and shoulders above any of the prequels for most of the same reasons given above.)

Still don't believe me?  Let's do a simple test:  off the top of your head, quote 5 highly quotable lines from any of the first 3 movies.  That was easy, wasn't it?  Now, do the same for the last 3 movies.  Yeah, it's not quite the same, is it, especially when the first line that comes to my mind has something to do with not liking sand.


Five lines from the prequels that I can recall off the top of my head:

"At last we can reveal ourselves to the Jedi, at last we will have our revenge."

"NOOOOOOOOOOOO"

"Power, absolute power!"

"Wipe them out, all of them."

"You were supposed to be the chosen one!"

Not as memorable, and almost all from the villains
 
2013-02-21 07:28:33 AM
Disney made Avengers and didn't fark it up. They won't fark this up, either. Trust your feelings.
 
2013-02-21 07:34:39 AM
I wish they would leave the jedis behind and those visually exhaustive lightsaber battles in the dust. The peak was that horribly boring lava planet battle between obi wan and anakin, where I remember wishing desperately that it was over.

I would like to see a smuggler main character or something similar. Maybe a bounty hunter.
 
2013-02-21 08:02:08 AM

rickycal78: hawcian: You know what's great about this new trilogy? The fact that it will (probably) destroy the EU set after the movies.. Especially the newer stuff.

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As is EU is basically fanfic. Some good, some bad, some horrible. A new trilogy set after the events of the original isn't going to get rid of the stuff that's out there already. Hell if anything it'll spark off a whole new torrent of various fanfics.


Anybody who buys Star Wars books (or any other of the execrable offerings in that same section at the book store) deserves what they get.  When I am eventually granted the god-like powers the Universe owes me, I will create an entire section in Hell for the writers, publishers, and purchasers of that crap.  It'll be right next to the one for popular authors' family members and former assistants who rape the deceased's legacy by writing posthumous sequels (or nearly-posthumous "collaborations.")  Also featured prominently will be people who put empty cartons of orange juice back in the fridge (you know who you are- repent now or suffer for all eternity!)

What a waste of time, creativity, and money.  And fridge space.
 
2013-02-21 08:04:44 AM

Jaws_Victim: I wish they would leave the jedis behind and those visually exhaustive lightsaber battles in the dust. The peak was that horribly boring lava planet battle between obi wan and anakin, where I remember wishing desperately that it was over.

I would like to see a smuggler main character or something similar. Maybe a bounty hunter.


The lightsaber truly jumped the shark in the prequels.  "Less is more."  In the originals, the lightsaber was awesome because it was so rarely seen.  In the prequels, they were used the way cigarettes are smoked in a film noir.  I couldn't agree with you more.

LucklessWonder: Five lines from the prequels that I can recall off the top of my head:

"At last we can reveal ourselves to the Jedi, at last we will have our revenge."

"NOOOOOOOOOOOO"

"Power, absolute power!"

"Wipe them out, all of them."

"You were supposed to be the chosen one!"

Not as memorable, and almost all from the villains


Yeah, I said "highly quotable".  :-)  Meaning, lines that most people (even non-geeks) would easily recognize.  "Use the force, Luke."  "Size matters not.  Judge me by my size, do you?"  "May the force be with you."  "I find your lack of faith disturbing."  "No, I am your father."  (Frequently misquoted as, "Luke, I am your father," or some variant.)  Instantly recognizable by virtually everyone, and I could come up with dozens more.  The lines you quoted up above, not so much.
 
2013-02-21 08:13:50 AM

karmachameleon: Yeah, I said "highly quotable".  :-)  Meaning, lines that most people (even non-geeks) would easily recognize.  "Use the force, Luke."  "Size matters not.  Judge me by my size, do you?"  "May the force be with you."  "I find your lack of faith disturbing."  "No, I am your father."  (Frequently misquoted as, "Luke, I am your father," or some variant.)  Instantly recognizable by virtually everyone, and I could come up with dozens more.  The lines you quoted up above, not so much.


That really isn't much of a judgment though - popular films from 3 decades ago the quotes will be more widely known than much more recent films, regardless of their relative quality. There are much better things to criticize about the prequels.
 
2013-02-21 08:17:53 AM
Best thing about the prequels was John Williams "Duel of the Fates" which was the only single part of the films that rose to the level of anything in the originals.
 
2013-02-21 08:23:43 AM

Mattyb710: I'd be more interested in old republic era movies. I'm finding it hard to give a shiat about the whiny ass kid of whiny ass Luke.


Bingo.  The best thing to come out of the SW franchise since the original series (or possibly even since ESB) have been the KOTOR games.  Great plots, great characters.  I still play both KOTOR I and II even though it's been almost 10 years since they first came out.  That's the formula that these new movies should have followed (I mean starting fresh in the old republic era, not converting the KOTOR games into movies).
 
2013-02-21 08:34:50 AM

Corn_Fed: karmachameleon: Still don't believe me?  Let's do a simple test:  off the top of your head, quote 5 highly quotable lines from any of the first 3 movies.  That was easy, wasn't it?  Now, do the same for the last 3 movies.  Yeah, it's not quite the same, is it, especially when the first line that comes to my mind has something to do with not liking sand.

Okay, here's my attempt at 5 lines of greatness from the sequels:

1. "WHEEEEEEEE!!!!"  - Little Anakin

2. "Wesa got a grand army. That's why you no liking us meesa thinks.  "  - Jar Jar

3. "Hold me, Anakin. Hold me like you did by the lake on Naboo"  - Queen Amadala

4. .......

Oh fark it, I give up. God those sequels sucked.


1) Begun, these clone wars have. Yoda
2) We engaged in aggressive diplomacy. Aggressive diplomacy? Diplomacy with light sabers.
3) I killed them. I killed them all. Slaughtered them like animals. They ARE animals.
4) So this is how democracy dies. To thunderous applause.
5) NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

I did it! The movies still weren't great.
 
2013-02-21 08:53:35 AM
Ain't it Cool..."News" (stories that *were* actually news last week when other sites reported it)

I think that site rivals Fox News for the most misleading name, since neither site is exactly sure what constitutes "news".

"Hi folks, Harry here....last nite George Lucas called ME (yes, me!) to ask why the clock on his VCR is flashing 12:00.  Then he told ME (yes, me!) something noone (and don't say no one, or no-one.....NOONE!) else knows....he has scabbies!  Then Walt Disney called ME (yes, me!), from his freezer at Disneyland.  He said Lucas *stole* the character of Jar Jar Binks from a Mickey Mouse cartoon.  After that call I had to put on Episode 1 and rub one out, just like I used to do when I was a wee babe.  Well...perhaps I shouldn't refer to myself as 'wee'....I'm bit bigger than that...."
 
2013-02-21 08:55:02 AM

mariner314: What if a new trilogy were to follow a group of rebels, who are waging a civil war against the galactic republic. Make the original trilogy heroes the corrupted party?

You could have a perfect chance for know it all kids to rebel against their hero parents.


Episode 7: Star Wars Messiah
Episode 8: Children of Star Wars
Episode 9: God Emperor of Star Wars

Yeah, why not? I'd watch that.
 
2013-02-21 09:00:26 AM
I won't be watching it unless they kill more younglings. The murder of innocent children is a great way to drive character development and redemption.
 
2013-02-21 09:33:13 AM
My most quoted line is always "You can't go out there, your tauntaun will freeze before you reach the first marker."

www.santacarlaboardwalk.com

/really
 
2013-02-21 09:47:20 AM

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Damn Lucas for refusing to let that original version come out on digital media.


You mean like the DVD set that was released in 2006 that had Special Edition on one disc, and the untouched originals on the other?
 
2013-02-21 09:47:50 AM

Darth_Lukecash: knoxvelour: oh...and Cumberbatch for Thrawn

Nah. Nothing from EU.


Agreed.

www.angryflower.com

/oblig
 
2013-02-21 09:50:19 AM

Mugato: Isn't it farked up that as a Star Wars fan from birth, I somehow don't care about this? I'm not a hater by any means. I want to care, I really do. What's wrong with me? Is it the alcohol? Because I've been drunk through and have supportive the Prequels so that's not it.


You got old.
 
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