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(Aint-It-Cool-News)   Mark Hamill says George Lucas said that he'd have Luke, Leia, or Han killed off if the actors didn't want to return for a sequel. Luke, Leia, and Han appear to be alive and well   (aintitcool.com) divider line 148
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2013-02-20 09:46:56 PM
Isn't it farked up that as a Star Wars fan from birth, I somehow don't care about this? I'm not a hater by any means. I want to care, I really do. What's wrong with me? Is it the alcohol? Because I've been drunk through and have supportive the Prequels so that's not it.
 
2013-02-20 10:05:29 PM

Mugato: Isn't it farked up that as a Star Wars fan from birth, I somehow don't care about this? I'm not a hater by any means. I want to care, I really do. What's wrong with me? Is it the alcohol? Because I've been drunk through and have supportive the Prequels so that's not it.


I'm the same way.  I think the prequels just burned me out.  The other problem is that I was really really hoping they wouldn't bring back the old actors OR old characters.  They should have started totally fresh with a new plotline, new characters, and a different period of galactic history.  I just don't think they can tie the old actors into it without it seeming gimmicky or restricting the script's possibilities too much.
 
2013-02-20 10:55:13 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Mugato: Isn't it farked up that as a Star Wars fan from birth, I somehow don't care about this? I'm not a hater by any means. I want to care, I really do. What's wrong with me? Is it the alcohol? Because I've been drunk through and have supportive the Prequels so that's not it.

I'm the same way.  I think the prequels just burned me out.  The other problem is that I was really really hoping they wouldn't bring back the old actors OR old characters.  They should have started totally fresh with a new plotline, new characters, and a different period of galactic history.  I just don't think they can tie the old actors into it without it seeming gimmicky or restricting the script's possibilities too much.


Same here.  I guess I've grown up, but I just have no interest in the franchise at all.  Oh well, let the younger generation have it.
 
2013-02-20 11:03:39 PM
I wonder what it's like to be held hostage by George Lucas.
 
2013-02-20 11:07:51 PM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I wonder what it's like to be held hostage by George Lucas.


Like butter.
 
2013-02-20 11:12:39 PM
Because we all got assraped by the Prequels to the point we fart silently. Having your inner child stomped out with utter crap tends to do that.
 
2013-02-20 11:13:07 PM
Who cares what George "Fatbeard" Lucas has to say? Nobody's letting him write or direct anymore.
 
2013-02-20 11:14:13 PM
Sequels fail without Ponda Baba

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2013-02-20 11:14:39 PM

HMS_Blinkin: The other problem is that I was really really hoping they wouldn't bring back the old actors OR old characters. They should have started totally fresh with a new plotline, new characters, and a different period of galactic history. I just don't think they can tie the old actors into it without it seeming gimmicky or restricting the script's possibilities too much.


I think they can get a good story out of it, one that would benefit by having the old characters in it.
I don't think there's a high likelihood that this will happen, but I also don't think that this will, by itself, make things any worse.
 
2013-02-20 11:15:57 PM
CGI renders the need for specific actors irrelevant. You can limp around their absence enough to get the story across.

That said, one of the nice things about star wars was that it had a fairly well tied off "Happily ever after" ending.
Going back to kill characters seems like a dick move at this point.
They'd have been better off to pick the story up well after the time period of the main cast, just as the prequel took place before them.
 
2013-02-20 11:18:28 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: HMS_Blinkin: The other problem is that I was really really hoping they wouldn't bring back the old actors OR old characters. They should have started totally fresh with a new plotline, new characters, and a different period of galactic history. I just don't think they can tie the old actors into it without it seeming gimmicky or restricting the script's possibilities too much.

I think they can get a good story out of it, one that would benefit by having the old characters in it.
I don't think there's a high likelihood that this will happen, but I also don't think that this will, by itself, make things any worse.


I'd be more interested in old republic era movies. I'm finding it hard to give a shiat about the whiny ass kid of whiny ass Luke.
 
2013-02-20 11:19:22 PM

Mentat: HMS_Blinkin: Mugato: Isn't it farked up that as a Star Wars fan from birth, I somehow don't care about this? I'm not a hater by any means. I want to care, I really do. What's wrong with me? Is it the alcohol? Because I've been drunk through and have supportive the Prequels so that's not it.

I'm the same way.  I think the prequels just burned me out.  The other problem is that I was really really hoping they wouldn't bring back the old actors OR old characters.  They should have started totally fresh with a new plotline, new characters, and a different period of galactic history.  I just don't think they can tie the old actors into it without it seeming gimmicky or restricting the script's possibilities too much.

Same here.  I guess I've grown up, but I just have no interest in the franchise at all.  Oh well, let the younger generation have it.


Add me to this list. I was even semi-apologetic towards the sequels. Thought maybe that I was just holding them to a gold standard they would never reach. Truth is, they just bungled it. They made three, really solid movies. Way too many years later, they say let's make more movies, and instead of doing sequels then, when the original actors could have passed the torch in a dignified way, they do prequels. Cool. Whatever. That should have been the end of it. Especially after those movies. Now, the original actors are old, I doubt they really care all that much. It's quite obvious Disney just wants to cash in on the franchise. They're planning a plethora of spin-offs. It just seems like their heart isn't in it, so why should mine.


Oh well, maybe Nolan will get back into Batman and release a film every year a Star Wars is released. That'd be fun.
 
2013-02-20 11:20:52 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Mugato: Isn't it farked up that as a Star Wars fan from birth, I somehow don't care about this? I'm not a hater by any means. I want to care, I really do. What's wrong with me? Is it the alcohol? Because I've been drunk through and have supportive the Prequels so that's not it.

I'm the same way.  I think the prequels just burned me out.  The other problem is that I was really really hoping they wouldn't bring back the old actors OR old characters.  They should have started totally fresh with a new plotline, new characters, and a different period of galactic history.  I just don't think they can tie the old actors into it without it seeming gimmicky or restricting the script's possibilities too much.


I enjoyed the prequels. I've waited years to see Anakins and Obiwans story, and I got it!

For me, it's the fact that Star Wars will never be "over". Before, it was like a little epic story of a family that had a beginning, middle, and end. It's why I liked Simalarion-Hobbit/Lord if the Rings.

It will be great to see different takes- but at the same time- there will be people who will try to be "kewel", "Radical", "Extreme" or "grim and gritty"
 
2013-02-20 11:24:33 PM
You know what's great about this new trilogy? The fact that it will (probably) destroy the EU set after the movies.. Especially the newer stuff.
 
2013-02-20 11:25:20 PM

jj325: Sequels fail without Ponda Baba

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good ole testicles chin
 
2013-02-20 11:34:43 PM
I really don't like the idea of their children being somehow destined for greatness. It's just stupid. It'd make sense to see Luke, as the head Jedi, rebuilding the order, but the rest of the main cast doesn't really make much sense. Maybe Han as a burned out, drunken old whoremonger of a warhorse, occasionally trotted out for the cameras, mourning his lost youth, wanting to relive the glory days. Leia, I don't know, Carrie Fisher's just in no way in any condition to reprise that role. Unless, after she and Han split up, she fell into a depression, fell in with the Hutts, and ate them.

The problem with having their kids in it, is that it goes totally against the original trilogy. Look at Luke's life and upbringing. He was a nobody, one of the common people, a farmboy from a backwater world. And when Han was in trouble with the Hutts, it's not like he could call his dad to bail him out, he had to deal with that shiat, to survive by his own cunning, skill, and those very few he called friend. That sort of thing isn't inherited.

New characters are really a requirement. And none of that bloodline crap. If the old characters appear at all, they should be supporting roles.
 
2013-02-20 11:36:44 PM

hawcian: You know what's great about this new trilogy? The fact that it will (probably) destroy the EU set after the movies.. Especially the newer stuff.


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As is EU is basically fanfic. Some good, some bad, some horrible. A new trilogy set after the events of the original isn't going to get rid of the stuff that's out there already. Hell if anything it'll spark off a whole new torrent of various fanfics.
 
2013-02-20 11:37:55 PM
We can de-age them. We have the CGI .
 
2013-02-20 11:38:33 PM
As it should be.
 
2013-02-20 11:40:57 PM

LectertheChef: New characters are really a requirement. And none of that bloodline crap. If the old characters appear at all, they should be supporting roles.


Agreed. Hamill already said he'd like an Obi-Wan like role.
Depending on Han's involvement, he could still be like a Chewwy without hogging too much of the main characters' screentime while still getting a lot of facetime.
No idea what Fischer could do. I'd imagine it's some kind of senatorial role like Amidala. Those senate robes can cover up a lot of Fischer, that's for sure.
 
2013-02-20 11:41:13 PM

Darth_Lukecash: It will be great to see different takes- but at the same time- there will be people who will try to be "kewel", "Radical", "Extreme" or "grim and gritty"


I recall the original ROTJ ending was pretty grim.
Han dies, Lukes runs off into seclusion and Leiah is left with a mess on her hands despite the success of the rebellion.
...This ending was also the kind of bullshiat that didn't satisfy anyone but Lucas.

The expanded universe of Star wars keeps going till every character yet to be born has met an inglorious or absurd fate under the crushing weight of their respective bridges. People may say they want to know what happens to Leiah, Han, and Luke, but inactuality they probably don't. Its best left as them all riding off into the sunset after the evil empire isconquered.

The amount of retconning needed to keep the plot together over nine movies is going to be beyond annoying, especially if they start altering the existing epilogue for something that will be more palatable to fans.

You might as well let JJ Abrams do a time travel bit and start from scratch, cause anything less is going to make an even bigger mess of the existing canon.
 
2013-02-20 11:41:47 PM

jj325: Sequels fail without Ponda Baba

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Is that George Lucas in blackface?
 
2013-02-20 11:45:14 PM

Mugato: sn't it farked up that as a Star Wars fan from birth, I somehow don't care about this? I'm not a hater by any means. I want to care, I really do. What's wrong with me? Is it the alcohol? Because I've been drunk through and have supportive the Prequels so that's not it.


I was the same way, grew up on it, love it, then the prequels.

what has gotten me back to being excited? Lucas won't be involved.
 
2013-02-20 11:48:11 PM
I hope they all return just for cameos and their kids do most of the action.
 
2013-02-20 11:50:28 PM

rickycal78: hawcian: You know what's great about this new trilogy? The fact that it will (probably) destroy the EU set after the movies.. Especially the newer stuff.

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As is EU is basically fanfic. Some good, some bad, some horrible. A new trilogy set after the events of the original isn't going to get rid of the stuff that's out there already. Hell if anything it'll spark off a whole new torrent of various fanfics.


I was really referring to books most of all, which are in that sort of semi-fuzzy-canon area. They were my guilty reading pleasures for awhile, but they got...pretty god-awful. Hoping this will let writers sort of ignore all of that and sort of reboot that era.
 
2013-02-20 11:51:46 PM
And hopefully they'll eliminate all of the crap from the Prequels entirely:

/Midichlorians
//Well, everything about the Prequels.
 
2013-02-20 11:57:47 PM
Picture, if you will, Princess Leia in a  bikini today.

Bleeeeuaaaagggghhhhh!!!
 
2013-02-20 11:58:01 PM

hawcian: You know what's great about this new trilogy? The fact that it will (probably) destroy the EU set after the movies.. Especially the newer stuff.


To be fair, if they were like "fark those republic chumps, the rest of SW is about THRAWN MOTHERfarkER" that would be entirely acceptable even if it stayed within the defined EU.

Or, episode 7: Shadows of the Empire
episode 8: Thrawn part 1
episode 9: Thrawn part 2

It'd be like having "where eagles dare: Satr Wars edition" followed by "The Blue and the Grey: in SPAAAACE".

//farking awesome.
 
2013-02-20 11:58:13 PM
Luke's going to look like he partially melted.
 
2013-02-21 12:00:23 AM

AnotherBluesStringer: Add me to this list. I was even semi-apologetic towards the sequels. Thought maybe that I was just holding them to a gold standard they would never reach. Truth is, they just bungled it. They made three, really solid movies. Way too many years later, they say let's make more movies, and instead of doing sequels then, when the original actors could have passed the torch in a dignified way, they do prequels. Cool. Whatever. That should have been the end of it. Especially after those movies. Now, the original actors are old, I doubt they really care all that much. It's quite obvious Disney just wants to cash in on the franchise. They're planning a plethora of spin-offs. It just seems like their heart isn't in it, so why should mine.


Eventually someone's going to come in here and complain about whiny nostalgic Gen-Xers, but that's really not it for me.  George Lucas is brilliant at creating worlds.  He's a shiatty writer and director.  He can't write dialog to save his life and he is probably the only man in the universe that could make a Meryl Streep performance look wooden.  He should never be anything but a producer.  Star Wars was at its best when he had a core groups around him (namely Marsha Lucas and Gary Kurtz) who would tell him to fark off when he started getting stupid.  But once he was too big to be told off, the franchise suffered.

The Disney buyout is a double-edged sword.  On the one hand, it cuts Lucas out and frees the franchise up to be reexamined by fresh eyes.  Unfortunately, those fresh eyes belong to JJ Abrams.  I can't wait for Damon Lindelof's interpretation of Star Wars.  The fact that Disney is brazenly promoting the "Fark it, we're putting out a new movie every year!" strategy seals it for me.

But again, I'm not the demographic they're after anymore.  So be it.
 
2013-02-21 12:01:06 AM

hawcian: You know what's great about this new trilogy? The fact that it will (probably) destroy the EU set after the movies.. Especially the newer stuff.


Anything that eradicates the influence of Kevin J. Anderson is a good thing.
 
2013-02-21 12:03:23 AM
I for one can't wait to see an old Mark Hamill joke it up with a cgi Gungan.

Can't you just picture him cock his head to the side, smile and say 'Oh JarJar Junior!'
 
2013-02-21 12:04:00 AM
"Luke, join me or you'll star in Corvette Summer."

/one of my all-time fave riffs
 
2013-02-21 12:06:35 AM
what kind of an abortion of a movie will have han/luke/leia ??
shudder

I guess I can go see it and laugh and boo whenever they are on screen.

/good news: lucas wont be involved
/bad news: same retarded decisions are being made
 
2013-02-21 12:08:13 AM
kill them off screen like Hicks in Alien 3

I'll never forgive what they did to Bill Pullman's character in that.


Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I wonder what it's like to be held hostage by George Lucas.


He has altered the deal. Pray he does not alter it further.
 
2013-02-21 12:14:58 AM

Spanky_McFarksalot: what has gotten me back to being excited? Lucas won't be involved.


What's got me excited is that Disney went all in. They can't make their $4 billion back from one movie. They have to make a lot of successful movies. They're obligated to not just make a profitable film but to make something of value, that will make money for a long time and that will make people want more.
 
2013-02-21 12:16:27 AM
People that criticize the prequels REALLY need to go back and watch the original films with a critical eye.   You could easily make the case that they're as chock full of shiatty dialogue and lame plot points as the prequels are.

"What I told you was true....from a certain point of view."  <-- Ummmmmm...OK.
 
2013-02-21 12:23:34 AM
That's right, blame the Lucas.
 
2013-02-21 12:26:40 AM
As the years go by, I increasingly put the prequels into the "things that were never filmed" genre like matrix sequels, Raiders of the Lost Ark sequels or any Alien film after Aliens. My imagination of the clone wars and the making of Darth Vader when I was 15 was better than anything from the prequels.

The fact that GL won't be behind the script, camera, auditioning process etc is why I am excited about these. And while I love American grafitti, thx 1138 and ANH, everything else Lucas has directed has been shiat, frankly.
 
2013-02-21 12:27:39 AM
YOU WERE UNWISE TO LOWER YOUR DEFENSES!


/watching Jedi now
 
2013-02-21 12:27:46 AM
Yep, writers just write stories based on which actors are available and nothing else. 

Yep, directors just threaten fans and actors alike to force the performers to agree to their demands. 

Lucas isn't just on track, he's on PHANTOM MENACE track.
 
2013-02-21 12:28:29 AM
A whole generation has grown up since 77, wouldn't be surprised if three generations are covered in this one.
 
2013-02-21 12:29:47 AM
Afterthought: Modern Family IN SPACE!
 
2013-02-21 12:32:55 AM
If they need to introduce elements of the EU into the new films, then may I suggest Polly Walker as an older Mara Jade?

/actually used to picture Nimoy as Thrawn...
 
2013-02-21 12:39:12 AM

TheManofPA: YOU WERE UNWISE TO LOWER YOUR DEFENSES!


/watching Jedi now


Yub yub motherfarker.

//In yo base, eatin' yo dudes.
 
2013-02-21 12:39:42 AM

way south: Darth_Lukecash: It will be great to see different takes- but at the same time- there will be people who will try to be "kewel", "Radical", "Extreme" or "grim and gritty"

I recall the original ROTJ ending was pretty grim.
Han dies, Lukes runs off into seclusion and Leiah is left with a mess on her hands despite the success of the rebellion.
...This ending was also the kind of bullshiat that didn't satisfy anyone but Lucas.

The expanded universe of Star wars keeps going till every character yet to be born has met an inglorious or absurd fate under the crushing weight of their respective bridges. People may say they want to know what happens to Leiah, Han, and Luke, but inactuality they probably don't. Its best left as them all riding off into the sunset after the evil empire isconquered.

The amount of retconning needed to keep the plot together over nine movies is going to be beyond annoying, especially if they start altering the existing epilogue for something that will be more palatable to fans.

You might as well let JJ Abrams do a time travel bit and start from scratch, cause anything less is going to make an even bigger mess of the existing canon.


From what I hear, the ending was bittersweet. Vader gets defeated, but Luke goes off to wander like a monk. He is searching for his sister (which was The original plot for the next three films) Leia becomes a queen to begin to rebuild the republic (the emperor wasn't finished off until the final thee movies) and Han and Chewy flies off.

But ultimately, the sister character rescues A corrupted Luke from the Emperors clutches and they overthrow him.
 
2013-02-21 12:43:04 AM
I think anything with an episode number should follow the Skywalker family. There are a lot of themes from previous movies that can be revisited. I like the idea of the side movies to further explore the universe.

Although I think a great reveal in Revenge of the Sith was wasted. What if we found out Luke and Leia were only two of triplets and there was an unaccounted for brother or sister who grew up on a darker path?
 
2013-02-21 12:44:51 AM
oh...and Cumberbatch for Thrawn
 
2013-02-21 12:54:03 AM

Metaluna Mutant: As the years go by, I increasingly put the prequels into the "things that were never filmed" genre like matrix sequels, Raiders of the Lost Ark sequels or any Alien film after Aliens. My imagination of the clone wars and the making of Darth Vader when I was 15 was better than anything from the prequels.

The fact that GL won't be behind the script, camera, auditioning process etc is why I am excited about these. And while I love American grafitti, thx 1138 and ANH, everything else Lucas has directed has been shiat, frankly.


At least you're honest. Most people won't admit that their ideas didn't match George Lucas vision.

Of course your idea is better because YOU thought of it. I happen to like the Prequels because Uncle George thought of them. You know, the guy whose prequels were critically well received and did great box office?

But of course, I'm sure your films are equally good...
 
2013-02-21 12:56:00 AM

knoxvelour: oh...and Cumberbatch for Thrawn


Nah. Nothing from EU.
 
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