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(Think Progress)   Fantasy: Well, thank goodness we Americans are safe from that whole horsemeat scandal. Reality: Our beef is way more disgusting than any European meat, horse or otherwise   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 110
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2013-02-20 05:35:52 PM
8 votes:
Depends on where you get your beef.

/unzips.......
2013-02-20 04:44:22 PM
7 votes:
If wishes were horses we'd all be eating steak for dinner. Think about that.

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2013-02-20 07:01:40 PM
4 votes:
This steak still has marks where the jockey was hitting it.

www.carlspackler.com
2013-02-20 04:41:56 PM
4 votes:
Yes, but consider the alternative:
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2013-02-20 06:52:24 PM
3 votes:
Just remember, you can't spell slaughterhouse without laughter.
2013-02-20 06:40:59 PM
3 votes:
WOW

15% of Americans get food illness EVERY YEAR!

Lets see, no one in my family has ever had a serious food illness. The only instance of food poisoning that we can relate is an under cooked piece of restaurant chicken ten years ago that produces a single episode of vomiting.

Its worse than that though, my uncle is a primary care physician and he mentioned coincidentally last thanksgiving that food poisoning, salmonella and e coli are reasonably rare events in our area.  He was in no way poking fun at my wife's turkey dinner.

But if 15% of all Americans are getting sick EVERY YEAR, then there have to be people who are literally getting sick every month from food contaminents.....thats the only way that statistic can be accurate.

So Im just going to say BS and cook your meat thouroughly. And dont eat tripe, that shiat is disgusting, they eat that crap  all over in Europe.
2013-02-20 06:32:01 PM
3 votes:
I just stick with sausage. You know whats in it
2013-02-20 06:30:50 PM
3 votes:
I pick at my ass down at the supermarket, and then I touch your foods without washing my hands.
2013-02-20 04:53:54 PM
3 votes:

johnnieconnie: If wishes were horses we'd all be eating steak for dinner. Think about that.

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2013-02-20 07:58:24 PM
2 votes:
ih3.redbubble.net
2013-02-20 07:58:21 PM
2 votes:

Matthew Keene: tonygotskilz: You are an animal. An omnivore, if you didn't live in civilization and you were hungry and a horse walked, you would try to kill and eat the horse just the same as if a cow walked by.

MOO!!!

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She broke my heart man...she broke my farking heart.   I'll never get over it..I'm loving and kissing all over her one day....and I meet some dude,loving and kissing all over her,coming up the other side.
2013-02-20 07:47:51 PM
2 votes:

Propain_az: Why is America such a horrible place?  Why are Americans such horrible people?


Manifest Douchetiny
2013-02-20 07:38:42 PM
2 votes:

Propain_az: FilmBELOH20: namegoeshere: Venison FTW

Venison is only good for sausage and pepper sticks.

There is only one perfect meat on the planet, and it looks like this:

[www.erschools.com image 450x336]

Yes, but how do you harvest it, without being a menace to society.  You are so violent!  I fear for the safety of your family, friends and neighbors.


I call them over to me and whisper that I'm hungry.  They lay down and stop their own heart from beating.  It's very peaceful.
2013-02-20 07:23:34 PM
2 votes:

theMagni: OscarTamerz: It's incredibly easy to sterilize meat with gamma rays which is how many things from spices  to drugs to medical supplies are sterilized.  The whackos stop this from being done because it's scary radiation and the deaths from food infections exceed gun murders every year.  And just so the vegans don't feel smug the food borne infections from fruits and vegetables exceed the food borne infections from meat every year too.  Better fry up that salad if you want it to be actually healthy.

FWIW, I haven't had food poisoning since I went full academy* (haven't been sick at all, come to think of it.) Where you do get problems is with commercial pre-sliced onion and tomato IIRC.  Those are brutal for contamination but a lot of the time that's from knife re-use.  Sprouts, too.  I don't eat sprouts because you just can't clean them.  And if you aren't washing your food before you prep it, you're asking for trouble, and that's just as true for lettuce and pork chops.

*The reason I stopped eating meat was due to the reduction in slaughterhouse regulation in 2000 and the noticable degradation in quality.


Don't forget using the same cutting boards and knives for meats and vegetables without washing either.

Americans are so used to eating food out of a box that by god when you actually have to chop something or cut fat from meat, etc, they clam up (no pun intended) and  fark themselves with bad cooking practices.

For gods sakes, America is the country who gave the world Sandra Lee!!! That alone should be punishable by nuclear hellfire.
2013-02-20 06:57:23 PM
2 votes:

OscarTamerz: It's incredibly easy to sterilize meat with gamma rays


What I'm interested in is the effect of gamma rays on man in the moon marigolds.
2013-02-20 06:48:25 PM
2 votes:
Infected Waste Runoff is my new band name.
2013-02-20 06:40:54 PM
2 votes:
Article is pure B.S.  Author seems to think that Europe is better than the States in all things.  Now it is horse meat, a decade ago it was mad cow disease causing Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease.  That was again a European problem.  Its why you can't donate blood if you spent more than 6 months in  Europe during the 80s and 90s.
2013-02-20 06:29:35 PM
2 votes:
neigh
2013-02-20 06:24:39 PM
2 votes:

mahuika: Nabb1: It is, but it's a lot cheaper here than in Europe.  And you can get higher quality meat on a par with Europe as long as you find a butcher you trust.

You know why it's cheaper, right? I'll give you a hint, it starts with a G and ends with an OVERNMENT HANDOUT


GOfarkYOURMOTHEROVERNMENT HANDOT?
2013-02-20 05:42:15 PM
2 votes:
That's almost literally what I thought when this news broke.
2013-02-20 05:32:11 PM
2 votes:

Nabb1: It is, but it's a lot cheaper here than in Europe.  And you can get higher quality meat on a par with Europe as long as you find a butcher you trust.


You know why it's cheaper, right? I'll give you a hint, it starts with a G and ends with an OVERNMENT HANDOUT
2013-02-20 08:37:37 PM
1 votes:

AcesFull: Propain_az: Why is America such a horrible place?  Why are Americans such horrible people?

Manifest Douchetiny


Yes, we're horrible people. Please stay the fark away from us. You can even get contaminated by taking money from us, reading our web sites, watching our movies and listening to our music.
2013-02-20 08:18:32 PM
1 votes:

dr_blasto: This is complete bullshiat.


I'm sure there's a little of that in your burger, too.
2013-02-20 08:02:55 PM
1 votes:

rooftop235: And why do we call it a hamburger when it's made of beef?


...I'd like to know where in Germany the town of Cheeseburg is.
2013-02-20 07:43:54 PM
1 votes:

Propain_az: Why is America such a horrible place?  Why are Americans such horrible people?


Because we're number one at everything.
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LA-LA-LA-LA-LA! WE'RE NUMBER ONE! LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!
2013-02-20 07:42:12 PM
1 votes:

FilmBELOH20: Propain_az: FilmBELOH20: namegoeshere: Venison FTW

Venison is only good for sausage and pepper sticks.

There is only one perfect meat on the planet, and it looks like this:

[www.erschools.com image 450x336]

Yes, but how do you harvest it, without being a menace to society.  You are so violent!  I fear for the safety of your family, friends and neighbors.

I call them over to me and whisper that I'm hungry.  They lay down and stop their own heart from beating.  It's very peaceful.


I once ate at this restaurant where the cow came out to the table and pointed out which bits were the tastiest. Then it nipped off to the kitchen and shot itself. It told us not to worry; it would be very humane. Now THAT was a fresh steak.
2013-02-20 07:31:12 PM
1 votes:

timujin: iheartscotch: freewill: iheartscotch: chicken fried rabbit

We had chicken fried rabbit at the Fourth of July barbecue one year when I was a teenager.

Oh my God. So great.

Yes; my grandparents raised meat rabbits from the 30's well into the early 90's. Chicken fried rabbit, rabbit stew and rabbit pot pie were family favorites.

I'd do it too; but, cultivating eatin' rabbits is frowned upon nowadays

Really?  I didn't know that, but I have a soft spot for the things so I don't think I could eat ones I raised.  The only way I get them is if someone I know kills one in the wild or I buy them at the local market.  Much like duck, I really prefer the wild variety.


The key is; don't give them names and don't play with the ones that you know are going to get eaten.

The fondness thing is the reason why raising rabbits for meat is frowned upon; especially in cities.

I haven't eaten domesticated rabbit in a number of years. When it's all you've got though; you start seeing the rabbit as food.
2013-02-20 07:30:41 PM
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: There is only one good way to obtain ground beef in America.

1. Start with a beef shoulder, chuck, sirloin, rib, or other cut
2. Run it through your meat grinder twice.
3. Bleach meat grinder when finished.

That's it.


TBH, there aren't a lot of "healthy" meals that are based around ground beef so I try to avoid it anyways. (Having an unhealthy meal with ground beef for dinner tonight, heh, irony)
2013-02-20 07:29:32 PM
1 votes:

Mr. Right: rooftop235: And why do we call it a hamburger when it's made of beef?

Because that style of serving (originally) minced beef originated in Hamburg, Germany.


DING!  :-)
2013-02-20 07:28:37 PM
1 votes:

Beta Tested: Lucidz: Uhhhhhh.  This article pisses me off to no end.  First off, of course meat is better in Europe, and it has nothing to do with cleanliness.  It has to do with diet.  Who cares if the cows live in shiat, so do pigs.  The stuff you eat is on the INSIDE of the animals people...

Also, most all foodborne ilnesses come from improper cooking.  It has nothing to do with the quality of the product.

You are totally right, there is absolutely no established correlation between pathogens and overcrowding/sanitation.  They are completely unrelated.

/Sarcasm


Assuming you're not just arguing for the sake of arguing...

http://www.livestrong.com/article/114674-common-foods-causing-poison in g-united/

The above link says that some of the most common foods that cause poisoning due to overcrowding, chicken and beef, (almost exclusively, ground beef amongst cow products) are resolved with proper cooking.
2013-02-20 07:27:07 PM
1 votes:

jigger: Don't worry the government will protect us from this.

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My uncle is an inspector for that agency... You don't want to know what he finds on a bad day.

/which is why we buy 1/4 Steer from trusted friends AND a trusted butcher every year.
2013-02-20 07:27:04 PM
1 votes:

iheartscotch: namegoeshere: That's why I only eat beef that once had a name.

Poor Fred. He was tasty.

But, your boloney; does it have a first name?


Yes. Oscar'slipsandasshole.
2013-02-20 07:26:00 PM
1 votes:
Venison FTW
2013-02-20 07:25:28 PM
1 votes:

iheartscotch: freewill: iheartscotch: chicken fried rabbit

We had chicken fried rabbit at the Fourth of July barbecue one year when I was a teenager.

Oh my God. So great.

Yes; my grandparents raised meat rabbits from the 30's well into the early 90's. Chicken fried rabbit, rabbit stew and rabbit pot pie were family favorites.

I'd do it too; but, cultivating eatin' rabbits is frowned upon nowadays


I can buy rabbit tenderloins and leg quarters at my local grocery store.  I like to make chili with them.
2013-02-20 07:25:06 PM
1 votes:
There is only one good way to obtain ground beef in America.

1. Start with a beef shoulder, chuck, sirloin, rib, or other cut
2. Run it through your meat grinder twice.
3. Bleach meat grinder when finished.

That's it.
2013-02-20 07:24:47 PM
1 votes:

Matthew Keene: I pick at my ass down at the supermarket, and then I touch your foods without washing my hands.


Not quite as bad as touching our food without using your hands.
/saw this act in a club in Hamburg once...
2013-02-20 07:24:33 PM
1 votes:
Argentina and Brazil have decent beef, but they know how to cook it.

Most of south america everything is grass feed, in the sense the cow had to fend for itself, I never saw a bale of hay in Colombia, just some anorexic cows wandering around eating whatever they could reach.

But give me a big tbone USDA stamped with the fat marbled through it any day.
2013-02-20 07:23:56 PM
1 votes:

namegoeshere: That's why I only eat beef that once had a name.

Poor Fred. He was tasty.


But, your boloney; does it have a first name?
2013-02-20 07:22:10 PM
1 votes:

Phony_Soldier: No, only raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans will solve this problem.


That can't be right. That sounds like common sense..... common sense is never the right thing to do.
2013-02-20 07:22:07 PM
1 votes:

iheartscotch: freewill: iheartscotch: chicken fried rabbit

We had chicken fried rabbit at the Fourth of July barbecue one year when I was a teenager.

Oh my God. So great.

Yes; my grandparents raised meat rabbits from the 30's well into the early 90's. Chicken fried rabbit, rabbit stew and rabbit pot pie were family favorites.

I'd do it too; but, cultivating eatin' rabbits is frowned upon nowadays


Really?  I didn't know that, but I have a soft spot for the things so I don't think I could eat ones I raised.  The only way I get them is if someone I know kills one in the wild or I buy them at the local market.  Much like duck, I really prefer the wild variety.
2013-02-20 07:21:42 PM
1 votes:
That's why I only eat beef that once had a name.

Poor Fred. He was tasty.
Xai
2013-02-20 07:21:14 PM
1 votes:
I think that what people in the US needs is simply accurate labeling. Put how much pink slime is in your food etc.
2013-02-20 07:18:53 PM
1 votes:

freewill: iheartscotch: chicken fried rabbit

We had chicken fried rabbit at the Fourth of July barbecue one year when I was a teenager.

Oh my God. So great.


Yes; my grandparents raised meat rabbits from the 30's well into the early 90's. Chicken fried rabbit, rabbit stew and rabbit pot pie were family favorites.

I'd do it too; but, cultivating eatin' rabbits is frowned upon nowadays
2013-02-20 07:18:51 PM
1 votes:

cptrios: Still don't get the issue with horsemeat. It's lean and delicious and billions of people worldwide have no issue eating it.


Because they weren't labeling it properly and trying to pass it off as beef.  That's called fraud.
2013-02-20 07:17:22 PM
1 votes:
The fast-approaching sequester cuts will also eliminate roughly 600 food inspector positions at meat and poultry plants.

Meh, big deal, 600 fewer government employees getting kickbacks, I think we'll live.
2013-02-20 07:17:09 PM
1 votes:

piledhigheranddeeper: Journalistic crap.  They are equating the estimated number of hospital visits in Europe to the number of estimated upset-stomach  non-hospital events in the US.  The CDC and the European CDC likely has different standards for reporting food born illnesses.


citation needed
2013-02-20 07:13:51 PM
1 votes:

dragonchild: Beta Tested: I think Norwegian beef is the only one that Japan will import (that is something I heard though and can't find confirmation).

Um, no.  They import from Australia and the United States.  However, they do have more of a mind for quality, and in that debate, America has its proper place.  The four- and five-star steakhouses serve Japanese and Australian beef; the U.S. stuff is cheap junk food.


Yes.  I should clarify that the cheap Aussie beef I found was at the supermarket.  Good Aussie beef could be found restaurants alongside Japanese beef.
2013-02-20 07:13:17 PM
1 votes:

Matthew Keene: doglover: fark off, subby. Horse is good. Eurpope's just uptight.

Try serving Flicka in the USA and see what happens.


Well we have been eating Norman for quite a while (City Slickers) .....
2013-02-20 07:12:59 PM
1 votes:

earthworm2.0: I am sick with some horrible form of dysentery right now, so I can't eat, but this thread is really yummy sounding....


well it was...
2013-02-20 07:12:39 PM
1 votes:
Why is America such a horrible place?  Why are Americans such horrible people?
2013-02-20 07:11:56 PM
1 votes:

rev. dave: Please don't remind me of any of this.  It is not healthy for me to stop eating meat, in fact, it should be 85% of my diet to better lose weight.   I did not read the article or any comments because it does not take much to turn my stomach.  I have been known to stop eating meat for 2  or more years out of disgust.    Off to fry up some Johnson's mild Italian sausage to be served with habanero munster.


Find a reputable local butcher and you're not only good to go, you'll probably find that you enjoy eating what you get more.
2013-02-20 07:11:51 PM
1 votes:
I am sick with some horrible form of dysentery right now, so I can't eat, but this thread is really yummy sounding....
2013-02-20 07:10:17 PM
1 votes:

iheartscotch: chicken fried rabbit


We had chicken fried rabbit at the Fourth of July barbecue one year when I was a teenager.

Oh my God. So great.
2013-02-20 07:07:33 PM
1 votes:

Lucidz: Uhhhhhh.  This article pisses me off to no end.  First off, of course meat is better in Europe, and it has nothing to do with cleanliness.  It has to do with diet.  Who cares if the cows live in shiat, so do pigs.  The stuff you eat is on the INSIDE of the animals people...

Also, most all foodborne ilnesses come from improper cooking.  It has nothing to do with the quality of the product.


You are totally right, there is absolutely no established correlation between pathogens and overcrowding/sanitation.  They are completely unrelated.

/Sarcasm
2013-02-20 07:06:38 PM
1 votes:
not sure where subby buys/eats, but the steak in PA is excellent,  $700 - $800 sides, 330 - 350 lbs, less than $2.50/lb.  Can't afford or store a whole side, split one with a neighbor or two.
2013-02-20 07:06:12 PM
1 votes:

Beta Tested: AverageAmericanGuy: Taste-wise, American beef is superior to European beef. Maybe it's the contaminants. So be it.

Yea, no.  European beef is highly regional, and can vary quite a bit from country to country and even farm to farm within a country.  Cattle ranching isn't nearly as industrialized here.  Norwegian beef for example is all grass fed and raised on small farms.  It is amazing, I refuse to eat anything else while I am here.  I think Norwegian beef is the only one that Japan will import (that is something I heard though and can't find confirmation).


I don't know about beef, but bacon just tasted better in Scotland. I don't know why. Every morning, every city, town, and village, highland, lowland, or island, it was like waking up to a slice of an angel on my plate.
2013-02-20 07:04:33 PM
1 votes:
For my fellow Canadians, I did a Google for Canadian stats. According to the Cdn Gov, there are an estimated 11,000,000 case of food-borne illness each year in Canada. That is twice as high as the US number but is an estimate so it may not mean that Canadian food safety is worse. On the other hand, it is definitely not better.

http://www.inspection.gc.ca/food/consumer-centre/food-safety-tips/fo od -poisoning/eng/1331151916451/1331152055552
2013-02-20 07:03:57 PM
1 votes:
Horse is a fine meat. I mean, obviously it isn't chicken fried rabbit; but, a fine meat none the less.

/ when I was a pup; I would often visit my maternal grandmother. She lived in the country. She served some interesting things; such as tongue, head cheese, chicken fried rabbit and other such things: all with a side of her world famous barbecue sauce. To this day; I think her barbecue sauce would make radioactive waste taste good.
2013-02-20 07:03:29 PM
1 votes:

CreativeFarkHandle: I found plenty of American and Aussie beef when I lived in Japan.  It was cheap and clearly lower-quality than the local stuff.  Locally produced beef was way expensive though.


Thank you for the correction, I did find more information on Japan though when I stumbled across a rather complete PDF with just the information I was looking for:

"Countries under the LDC list are allowed duty-free, quota-free access for beef exports to Norway, but at present, no countries on that list  currently supply to Norway. A major factor for this is strict SPS regulations that govern animal health in the beef trade, particularly as concerns FMD. Countries that wish to export beef are required to be certified by the OIE (World Animal Health Organization) as being free of  FMD; specific, contiguous zones can also be specified as FMD-free as well. There is a further distinction on FMD status between those countries that vaccinate against FMD and those that do not. This distinction is made as tests for the presence of FMD typically do not distinguish between clinical FMD and those animals that have generated an immune response to the disease; some countries, notably Japan and Korea, use this as criteria to only accept meat from FMD-free without vaccination countries "

So, basically, Japan and Korea have really high restrictions on imported beef.  Further down I found that most of these imports come from Norway, Australia, New Zealand, and some south pacific island chain called Vanuatu.  I think what that means is that if the individual American beef passes those same restrictions it can be imported, but that may be on a case by case basis?  I don't know for sure

Warning, Link to PDF
2013-02-20 07:02:53 PM
1 votes:

miniflea: It has always seemed to me that if you wanted to design an apparatus for creating virulent, antibiotic resistant diseases, large scale factory farming would be a good way to go about it.


Its already happening.  Chickens, pigs, and cows are feed antibiotics in their feed.  It makes them bigger (possibly by killing "good" gut bacteria that may be taking some of the energy from food the animals eat).  Of course, Samonella typhimurium and other nasty bugs develop antibiotic resistance due to being bathed in them all day.  BTW we have known about this for a long time, but it would put a dent in agro business profits so guess what happens?  Nothing.

Salmonella with one or more antibiotic resistances is up to maybe half of all strains looked at in the wild.
2013-02-20 06:59:15 PM
1 votes:
If there was one thing that I would think would get hardcore carnivores to oppose our food raising conditions it would be for a much much better product.

Best beef I had ever had was in Argentina.
2013-02-20 06:57:43 PM
1 votes:
  Pardon me sir.....there appears to be a stirrup in my meatloaf...Have you got anything with just a couple of whip marks?
2013-02-20 06:57:20 PM
1 votes:

doglover: fark off, subby. Horse is good. Eurpope's just uptight.


Eurpope prefers chickenhawk meat sausages.
2013-02-20 06:56:13 PM
1 votes:
It has always seemed to me that if you wanted to design an apparatus for creating virulent, antibiotic resistant diseases, large scale factory farming would be a good way to go about it.
2013-02-20 06:55:07 PM
1 votes:

Nabb1: It is, but it's a lot cheaper here than in Europe.


You may want to investigate your food producers when Mexico refuses to accept American meat (as per article).

And you can get higher quality meat on a par with Europe as long as you find a butcher you trust.

And that's where the problem lies. How many people get their meat from a butcher? A butcher who can tell the customer from which animal their cut came from? The horse meat scandal could only happen when people put blind faith in corporations aiming to squeeze the last penny out of their profit margin.

mahuika: Nabb1: It is, but it's a lot cheaper here than in Europe.  And you can get higher quality meat on a par with Europe as long as you find a butcher you trust.

You know why it's cheaper, right? I'll give you a hint, it starts with a G and ends with an OVERNMENT HANDOUT


EU farmers get all sorts of silly subsidies from governments too. Based on the article and what I know of the US government, I'd say it's cheaper through poorer regulation.
2013-02-20 06:55:03 PM
1 votes:
Sorry. Lost the quotation because of the links.

FTA:  According to Center for Disease Control estimates, 48 million Americans get sick, 128,000 are hospitalized, and 3,000 die from foodborne illnesses every year. In comparison, the entire European Union had roughly 45,000 illnesses and 32 deaths from contaminated food in 2008. That means foodborne illness strikes 15 percent of Americans each year, but only .00009 percent of Europeans.

Those are shocking numbers. I didn't expect such an enormous difference. 48,000,000 vs. 45,000 and 3,000 vs. 15. Really, really a national shame. And it's all because the corporations that control Big Agro-Industry in the USA and Canada are more shameless money whores than the Italian Mafia.

Time to march on Washington. Take really big pots and cooking fuel.
2013-02-20 06:54:08 PM
1 votes:

OscarTamerz: It's incredibly easy to sterilize meat with gamma rays which is how many things from spices  to drugs to medical supplies are sterilized.  The whackos stop this from being done because it's scary radiation and the deaths from food infections exceed gun murders every year.  And just so the vegans don't feel smug the food borne infections from fruits and vegetables exceed the food borne infections from meat every year too.  Better fry up that salad if you want it to be actually healthy.


FWIW, I haven't had food poisoning since I went full academy* (haven't been sick at all, come to think of it.) Where you do get problems is with commercial pre-sliced onion and tomato IIRC.  Those are brutal for contamination but a lot of the time that's from knife re-use.  Sprouts, too.  I don't eat sprouts because you just can't clean them.  And if you aren't washing your food before you prep it, you're asking for trouble, and that's just as true for lettuce and pork chops.

*The reason I stopped eating meat was due to the reduction in slaughterhouse regulation in 2000 and the noticable degradation in quality.
2013-02-20 06:53:27 PM
1 votes:

fusillade762: I think the problem is that horses aren't meant to be eaten in most cases and so they're often pumped full of drugs that aren't allowed in cattle.


I always figured it was that and that (as far as I know) since horse aren't generally considered food, they aren't checked by the regulatory administrations. A quick googling seems to say that only recently was the USDA allowed to test horse meat, and they don't have the budget to actually do it.
2013-02-20 06:52:30 PM
1 votes:

Beta Tested: I think Norwegian beef is the only one that Japan will import (that is something I heard though and can't find confirmation).


Um, no.  They import from Australia and the United States.  However, they do have more of a mind for quality, and in that debate, America has its proper place.  The four- and five-star steakhouses serve Japanese and Australian beef; the U.S. stuff is cheap junk food.
2013-02-20 06:51:08 PM
1 votes:

Beta Tested: AverageAmericanGuy: Taste-wise, American beef is superior to European beef. Maybe it's the contaminants. So be it.

Yea, no.  European beef is highly regional, and can vary quite a bit from country to country and even farm to farm within a country.  Cattle ranching isn't nearly as industrialized here.  Norwegian beef for example is all grass fed and raised on small farms.  It is amazing, I refuse to eat anything else while I am here.  I think Norwegian beef is the only one that Japan will import (that is something I heard though and can't find confirmation).


I found plenty of American and Aussie beef when I lived in Japan.  It was cheap and clearly lower-quality than the local stuff.  Locally produced beef was way expensive though.
2013-02-20 06:50:36 PM
1 votes:
Someone buys their meat at Wal-Mart
2013-02-20 06:50:08 PM
1 votes:
And remember boys and girls,  in some states you can even go to jail for exposing how disgusting it is.
MERICA!! FREDUM!!

Hypnozombie
2013-02-20 06:49:02 PM
1 votes:
Still don't get the issue with horsemeat. It's lean and delicious and billions of people worldwide have no issue eating it.
2013-02-20 06:49:00 PM
1 votes:

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Probably because of too much regulation. And not enough guns. More guns, less regulation. That's the answer, right?

/ I propose more boobies


No, only raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans will solve this problem.
2013-02-20 06:48:26 PM
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Having bought ground beef in Ireland, no. Just no. I'm sure better stuff is available, but that was, by far, the worst meat I've ever cooked.
2013-02-20 06:48:13 PM
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Nabb1: It is, but it's a lot cheaper here than in Europe.  And you can get higher quality meat on a par with Europe as long as you find a butcher you trust.


You can, but it will cost nearly the same.

A hunk of beef tenderloin at my local butcher (it comes from a farm just outside the city) costs 289 NOK per kilo, so about $23/lb.  I am not really familiar with US beef prices now but I found grass-fed tenderloin of dubious origin (as in I can't point to the farm on google maps) for $16/lb.   It isn't all that large a difference considering how much more expensive Norway is.
2013-02-20 06:48:02 PM
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The solution is obviously to get rid of the USDA, the FDA, the EPA, and the ED.

/libertarian thinking
2013-02-20 06:47:50 PM
1 votes:
FTA:  According to

Because Socialism!

Value the EPA puts on an American life: $5,000,000
Value the Japanese put on a Japanese life: $100,000,000
Value Europeans put on a good dinner: Priceless.
2013-02-20 06:46:20 PM
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We are building strong immune systems, one burger at a time.
2013-02-20 06:46:09 PM
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Shadi: blatz514: Meat?

Someone should try deep frying pink slime...


What do you think a chicken anything at any fast food joint is?

Here in Virginia, horse is big business. Part of that business was of course sending off the horses off to the butcher to the foreign market. Then they made a regulation that said you couldn't send the horsies to the butcher or rendering plant..

Okay fine... so now they ship the horses to Mexico to be butchered or rendered. All the regulations managed to do was ship jobs over the boarder.

Because horseies are cute and magical!

I personally could care less about horses, and I've eaten horse meat and quite enjoyed it. But, it isn't beef, which was bred for eons to be as tasty as it is. I will take a cut of beef over the same cut of horse any day of the week. But a good chunk of this states GDP has been compromised because you can no longer raise mutt horse as butcher able livestock. But at the same point, the practice hasn't stopped, so the regulations haven't worked.

And overall.. all this is a big deal about nothing. If you are buying cheap ass ground meat for your mass produced product, deal with what you get. Horsemeat in the mix seems to me a first world problem.
I meen really! What do you think happens to all those ponies all those little girls wish for when the families can no longer afford the stabling and feed? They get turned into glue, biodesiel and taco bell meat
2013-02-20 06:44:05 PM
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OscarTamerz: It's incredibly easy to sterilize meat with gamma rays which is how many things from spices  to drugs to medical supplies are sterilized.  The whackos stop this from being done because it's scary radiation and the deaths from food infections exceed gun murders every year.  And just so the vegans don't feel smug the food borne infections from fruits and vegetables exceed the food borne infections from meat every year too.  Better fry up that salad if you want it to be actually healthy.


Most people dying from food infections are slobs, old senile people, & people who like to eat fancy pants food like raw seafood.

Some people die from bacteria on food boohoo. Humans are in no danger of going extinct. The ones with superior immune systems are supposed to survive.
2013-02-20 06:44:03 PM
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coco ebert: That's almost literally what I thought when this news broke.


I even went as far as saying exactly that in a Jan 24th article about Burger King not putting horse meat in their burgers. "There are cow anuses and eyeballs in that meat, horse meat would be a vast improvement."
2013-02-20 06:42:23 PM
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Please don't remind me of any of this.  It is not healthy for me to stop eating meat, in fact, it should be 85% of my diet to better lose weight.   I did not read the article or any comments because it does not take much to turn my stomach.  I have been known to stop eating meat for 2  or more years out of disgust.    Off to fry up some Johnson's mild Italian sausage to be served with habanero munster.
2013-02-20 06:40:16 PM
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Uhhhhhh.  This article pisses me off to no end.  First off, of course meat is better in Europe, and it has nothing to do with cleanliness.  It has to do with diet.  Who cares if the cows live in shiat, so do pigs.  The stuff you eat is on the INSIDE of the animals people...

Also, most all foodborne ilnesses come from improper cooking.  It has nothing to do with the quality of the product.

Matthew Keene: I pick at my ass down at the supermarket, and then I touch your foods without washing my hands.


This is perfectly fine.  Steaks should be seared on the outside which kills any bacteria.  Ground meat should be cooked all the way through.  Shellfish should be cooked thoroughly, and fish steaks, if not frozen for a period of time at a specific temperature (to kill the bacteria) should be seared on the outside as well. (That doesn't count sushi, etc)
2013-02-20 06:39:17 PM
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AverageAmericanGuy: Taste-wise, American beef is superior to European beef. Maybe it's the contaminants. So be it.


Yea, no.  European beef is highly regional, and can vary quite a bit from country to country and even farm to farm within a country.  Cattle ranching isn't nearly as industrialized here.  Norwegian beef for example is all grass fed and raised on small farms.  It is amazing, I refuse to eat anything else while I am here.  I think Norwegian beef is the only one that Japan will import (that is something I heard though and can't find confirmation).
2013-02-20 06:38:39 PM
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A think progress link? No thanks, I get enough ultra-left garbage from NBC news.
2013-02-20 06:37:48 PM
1 votes:

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Probably because of too much regulation. And not enough guns. More guns, less regulation. That's the answer, right?

/ I propose more boobies


FTA:  the stalled House Farm Bill included provisions banning all state regulation of nearly any agricultural product.

The dream is within sight!
2013-02-20 06:37:40 PM
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A Terrible Human: Matthew Keene: doglover: fark off, subby. Horse is good. Eurpope's just uptight.

Try serving Flicka in the USA and see what happens.

Why not try during the Kentucky Derby for maximum trolling?


I'm not against horsemeat being served. Label it as such, and I'll be one of the first to fry up some horsey burgers.
2013-02-20 06:37:16 PM
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OscarTamerz: the deaths from food infections exceed gun murders every year


I'm gonna need a citation on that one.
2013-02-20 06:36:39 PM
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Journalistic crap.  They are equating the estimated number of hospital visits in Europe to the number of estimated upset-stomach  non-hospital events in the US.  The CDC and the European CDC likely has different standards for reporting food born illnesses.
2013-02-20 06:36:28 PM
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OscarTamerz: It's incredibly easy to sterilize meat with gamma rays which is how many things from spices  to drugs to medical supplies are sterilized.  The whackos stop this from being done because it's scary radiation and the deaths from food infections exceed gun murders every year.  And just so the vegans don't feel smug the food borne infections from fruits and vegetables exceed the food borne infections from meat every year too.  Better fry up that salad if you want it to be actually healthy.


This.

Totally this.
2013-02-20 06:35:51 PM
1 votes:

Matthew Keene: doglover: fark off, subby. Horse is good. Eurpope's just uptight.

Try serving Flicka in the USA and see what happens.


Why not try during the Kentucky Derby for maximum trolling?
2013-02-20 06:34:35 PM
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OBVIOUS tag on a diet?  This is one of those cases where capitalism more or less works as designed.  The problem isn't that the government doesn't punish and even supports & rewards the most odious companies in charge of our food supply.  Well it is, but it happens because no one really cares -- it's a symptom of society, not the disease.  The problem is that even when businesses do get caught, consumers don't punish them either.

The "pink slime" scandal was illuminating.  The stuff is actually quite benign; as far as fast food ingredients that post health risks it probably wouldn't crack the top 20, but some companies stopped buying it because of public outrage.  The question that was never asked was, how do food companies operate that would make them receptive to using pink slime in the first place?  But no, as soon as their favorite household names stopped using the stuff, people went right back to buying food without asking the most basic questions about what they're eating.
2013-02-20 06:34:05 PM
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rooftop235:
I am interested in trying a horse meat burger.
And why do we call it a hamburger when it's made of beef?


Horse meat tastes basically like beef, it is pretty good.  It is mostly used here in things like salami and what not, although you can buy cuts of it.

/Has whale meat in the freezer
2013-02-20 06:31:53 PM
1 votes:
Probably because of too much regulation. And not enough guns. More guns, less regulation. That's the answer, right?

/ I propose more boobies
2013-02-20 06:30:59 PM
1 votes:

rooftop235: And why do we call it a hamburger when it's made of beef?


Because that style of serving (originally) minced beef originated in Hamburg, Germany.
2013-02-20 06:30:36 PM
1 votes:

fusillade762: There is, however, plenty of evidence that many Americans are inadvertently eating a side of deadly bacteria like salmonella or e. coli with their burgers.

Cook your burger thoroughly and you should be OK.


I do, but the bun always gets soggy.
2013-02-20 06:30:13 PM
1 votes:
Everybody poops. Even veggies have risks. Cows taste much better than horses.
2013-02-20 06:28:42 PM
1 votes:
It's incredibly easy to sterilize meat with gamma rays which is how many things from spices  to drugs to medical supplies are sterilized.  The whackos stop this from being done because it's scary radiation and the deaths from food infections exceed gun murders every year.  And just so the vegans don't feel smug the food borne infections from fruits and vegetables exceed the food borne infections from meat every year too.  Better fry up that salad if you want it to be actually healthy.
2013-02-20 06:28:15 PM
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There is, however, plenty of evidence that many Americans are inadvertently eating a side of deadly bacteria like salmonella or e. coli with their burgers.

Cook your burger thoroughly and wash your goddamn hands and you should be OK.


doglover: fark off, subby. Horse is good. Eurpope's just uptight.


I think the problem is that horses aren't meant to be eaten in most cases and so they're often pumped full of drugs that aren't allowed in cattle.
2013-02-20 06:28:07 PM
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AverageAmericanGuy: Taste-wise, American beef is superior to European beef. Maybe it's the contaminants. So be it.


I am interested in trying a horse meat burger.
And why do we call it a hamburger when it's made of beef?
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2013-02-20 06:23:54 PM
1 votes:
Meat's meat, and a man's gotta eat!
2013-02-20 06:23:47 PM
1 votes:
blatz514: Meat?

Someone should try deep frying pink slime...
2013-02-20 06:23:32 PM
1 votes:
Taste-wise, American beef is superior to European beef. Maybe it's the contaminants. So be it.
2013-02-20 06:23:27 PM
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doglover: fark off, subby. Horse is good. Eurpope's just uptight.


Try serving Flicka in the USA and see what happens.
2013-02-20 06:23:12 PM
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Don't worry the government will protect us from this.

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2013-02-20 06:22:42 PM
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Horse seems like it would taste good and be good for you.
2013-02-20 05:59:40 PM
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fark off, subby. Horse is good. Eurpope's just uptight.
2013-02-20 05:27:12 PM
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Meat?

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Meat?

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2013-02-20 05:00:11 PM
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It is, but it's a lot cheaper here than in Europe.  And you can get higher quality meat on a par with Europe as long as you find a butcher you trust.
 
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