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(Think Progress)   Fantasy: Well, thank goodness we Americans are safe from that whole horsemeat scandal. Reality: Our beef is way more disgusting than any European meat, horse or otherwise   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 216
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2013-02-20 04:41:56 PM  
Yes, but consider the alternative:
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2013-02-20 04:44:22 PM  
If wishes were horses we'd all be eating steak for dinner. Think about that.

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2013-02-20 04:53:54 PM  

johnnieconnie: If wishes were horses we'd all be eating steak for dinner. Think about that.

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2013-02-20 05:00:11 PM  
It is, but it's a lot cheaper here than in Europe.  And you can get higher quality meat on a par with Europe as long as you find a butcher you trust.
 
2013-02-20 05:27:12 PM  
Meat?

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Meat?

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2013-02-20 05:32:11 PM  

Nabb1: It is, but it's a lot cheaper here than in Europe.  And you can get higher quality meat on a par with Europe as long as you find a butcher you trust.


You know why it's cheaper, right? I'll give you a hint, it starts with a G and ends with an OVERNMENT HANDOUT
 
2013-02-20 05:35:52 PM  
Depends on where you get your beef.

/unzips.......
 
2013-02-20 05:42:15 PM  
That's almost literally what I thought when this news broke.
 
2013-02-20 05:59:40 PM  
fark off, subby. Horse is good. Eurpope's just uptight.
 
2013-02-20 06:22:42 PM  
Horse seems like it would taste good and be good for you.
 
2013-02-20 06:23:12 PM  
Don't worry the government will protect us from this.

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2013-02-20 06:23:27 PM  

doglover: fark off, subby. Horse is good. Eurpope's just uptight.


Try serving Flicka in the USA and see what happens.
 
2013-02-20 06:23:32 PM  
Taste-wise, American beef is superior to European beef. Maybe it's the contaminants. So be it.
 
2013-02-20 06:23:47 PM  
blatz514: Meat?

Someone should try deep frying pink slime...
 
2013-02-20 06:23:54 PM  
Meat's meat, and a man's gotta eat!
 
2013-02-20 06:24:39 PM  

mahuika: Nabb1: It is, but it's a lot cheaper here than in Europe.  And you can get higher quality meat on a par with Europe as long as you find a butcher you trust.

You know why it's cheaper, right? I'll give you a hint, it starts with a G and ends with an OVERNMENT HANDOUT


GOfarkYOURMOTHEROVERNMENT HANDOT?
 
2013-02-20 06:28:07 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Taste-wise, American beef is superior to European beef. Maybe it's the contaminants. So be it.


I am interested in trying a horse meat burger.
And why do we call it a hamburger when it's made of beef?
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2013-02-20 06:28:15 PM  
There is, however, plenty of evidence that many Americans are inadvertently eating a side of deadly bacteria like salmonella or e. coli with their burgers.

Cook your burger thoroughly and wash your goddamn hands and you should be OK.


doglover: fark off, subby. Horse is good. Eurpope's just uptight.


I think the problem is that horses aren't meant to be eaten in most cases and so they're often pumped full of drugs that aren't allowed in cattle.
 
2013-02-20 06:28:42 PM  
It's incredibly easy to sterilize meat with gamma rays which is how many things from spices  to drugs to medical supplies are sterilized.  The whackos stop this from being done because it's scary radiation and the deaths from food infections exceed gun murders every year.  And just so the vegans don't feel smug the food borne infections from fruits and vegetables exceed the food borne infections from meat every year too.  Better fry up that salad if you want it to be actually healthy.
 
2013-02-20 06:29:35 PM  
neigh
 
2013-02-20 06:30:13 PM  
Everybody poops. Even veggies have risks. Cows taste much better than horses.
 
2013-02-20 06:30:36 PM  

fusillade762: There is, however, plenty of evidence that many Americans are inadvertently eating a side of deadly bacteria like salmonella or e. coli with their burgers.

Cook your burger thoroughly and you should be OK.


I do, but the bun always gets soggy.
 
2013-02-20 06:30:50 PM  
I pick at my ass down at the supermarket, and then I touch your foods without washing my hands.
 
2013-02-20 06:30:59 PM  

rooftop235: And why do we call it a hamburger when it's made of beef?


Because that style of serving (originally) minced beef originated in Hamburg, Germany.
 
2013-02-20 06:31:53 PM  
Probably because of too much regulation. And not enough guns. More guns, less regulation. That's the answer, right?

/ I propose more boobies
 
2013-02-20 06:32:01 PM  
I just stick with sausage. You know whats in it
 
2013-02-20 06:34:05 PM  
rooftop235:
I am interested in trying a horse meat burger.
And why do we call it a hamburger when it's made of beef?


Horse meat tastes basically like beef, it is pretty good.  It is mostly used here in things like salami and what not, although you can buy cuts of it.

/Has whale meat in the freezer
 
2013-02-20 06:34:35 PM  
OBVIOUS tag on a diet?  This is one of those cases where capitalism more or less works as designed.  The problem isn't that the government doesn't punish and even supports & rewards the most odious companies in charge of our food supply.  Well it is, but it happens because no one really cares -- it's a symptom of society, not the disease.  The problem is that even when businesses do get caught, consumers don't punish them either.

The "pink slime" scandal was illuminating.  The stuff is actually quite benign; as far as fast food ingredients that post health risks it probably wouldn't crack the top 20, but some companies stopped buying it because of public outrage.  The question that was never asked was, how do food companies operate that would make them receptive to using pink slime in the first place?  But no, as soon as their favorite household names stopped using the stuff, people went right back to buying food without asking the most basic questions about what they're eating.
 
2013-02-20 06:35:51 PM  

Matthew Keene: doglover: fark off, subby. Horse is good. Eurpope's just uptight.

Try serving Flicka in the USA and see what happens.


Why not try during the Kentucky Derby for maximum trolling?
 
2013-02-20 06:36:28 PM  

OscarTamerz: It's incredibly easy to sterilize meat with gamma rays which is how many things from spices  to drugs to medical supplies are sterilized.  The whackos stop this from being done because it's scary radiation and the deaths from food infections exceed gun murders every year.  And just so the vegans don't feel smug the food borne infections from fruits and vegetables exceed the food borne infections from meat every year too.  Better fry up that salad if you want it to be actually healthy.


This.

Totally this.
 
2013-02-20 06:36:39 PM  
Journalistic crap.  They are equating the estimated number of hospital visits in Europe to the number of estimated upset-stomach  non-hospital events in the US.  The CDC and the European CDC likely has different standards for reporting food born illnesses.
 
2013-02-20 06:37:16 PM  

OscarTamerz: the deaths from food infections exceed gun murders every year


I'm gonna need a citation on that one.
 
2013-02-20 06:37:40 PM  

A Terrible Human: Matthew Keene: doglover: fark off, subby. Horse is good. Eurpope's just uptight.

Try serving Flicka in the USA and see what happens.

Why not try during the Kentucky Derby for maximum trolling?


I'm not against horsemeat being served. Label it as such, and I'll be one of the first to fry up some horsey burgers.
 
2013-02-20 06:37:48 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Probably because of too much regulation. And not enough guns. More guns, less regulation. That's the answer, right?

/ I propose more boobies


FTA:  the stalled House Farm Bill included provisions banning all state regulation of nearly any agricultural product.

The dream is within sight!
 
2013-02-20 06:38:39 PM  
A think progress link? No thanks, I get enough ultra-left garbage from NBC news.
 
2013-02-20 06:39:17 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Taste-wise, American beef is superior to European beef. Maybe it's the contaminants. So be it.


Yea, no.  European beef is highly regional, and can vary quite a bit from country to country and even farm to farm within a country.  Cattle ranching isn't nearly as industrialized here.  Norwegian beef for example is all grass fed and raised on small farms.  It is amazing, I refuse to eat anything else while I am here.  I think Norwegian beef is the only one that Japan will import (that is something I heard though and can't find confirmation).
 
2013-02-20 06:40:16 PM  
Uhhhhhh.  This article pisses me off to no end.  First off, of course meat is better in Europe, and it has nothing to do with cleanliness.  It has to do with diet.  Who cares if the cows live in shiat, so do pigs.  The stuff you eat is on the INSIDE of the animals people...

Also, most all foodborne ilnesses come from improper cooking.  It has nothing to do with the quality of the product.

Matthew Keene: I pick at my ass down at the supermarket, and then I touch your foods without washing my hands.


This is perfectly fine.  Steaks should be seared on the outside which kills any bacteria.  Ground meat should be cooked all the way through.  Shellfish should be cooked thoroughly, and fish steaks, if not frozen for a period of time at a specific temperature (to kill the bacteria) should be seared on the outside as well. (That doesn't count sushi, etc)
 
2013-02-20 06:40:54 PM  
Article is pure B.S.  Author seems to think that Europe is better than the States in all things.  Now it is horse meat, a decade ago it was mad cow disease causing Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease.  That was again a European problem.  Its why you can't donate blood if you spent more than 6 months in  Europe during the 80s and 90s.
 
2013-02-20 06:40:59 PM  
WOW

15% of Americans get food illness EVERY YEAR!

Lets see, no one in my family has ever had a serious food illness. The only instance of food poisoning that we can relate is an under cooked piece of restaurant chicken ten years ago that produces a single episode of vomiting.

Its worse than that though, my uncle is a primary care physician and he mentioned coincidentally last thanksgiving that food poisoning, salmonella and e coli are reasonably rare events in our area.  He was in no way poking fun at my wife's turkey dinner.

But if 15% of all Americans are getting sick EVERY YEAR, then there have to be people who are literally getting sick every month from food contaminents.....thats the only way that statistic can be accurate.

So Im just going to say BS and cook your meat thouroughly. And dont eat tripe, that shiat is disgusting, they eat that crap  all over in Europe.
 
2013-02-20 06:42:23 PM  
Please don't remind me of any of this.  It is not healthy for me to stop eating meat, in fact, it should be 85% of my diet to better lose weight.   I did not read the article or any comments because it does not take much to turn my stomach.  I have been known to stop eating meat for 2  or more years out of disgust.    Off to fry up some Johnson's mild Italian sausage to be served with habanero munster.
 
2013-02-20 06:44:03 PM  

coco ebert: That's almost literally what I thought when this news broke.


I even went as far as saying exactly that in a Jan 24th article about Burger King not putting horse meat in their burgers. "There are cow anuses and eyeballs in that meat, horse meat would be a vast improvement."
 
2013-02-20 06:44:05 PM  

OscarTamerz: It's incredibly easy to sterilize meat with gamma rays which is how many things from spices  to drugs to medical supplies are sterilized.  The whackos stop this from being done because it's scary radiation and the deaths from food infections exceed gun murders every year.  And just so the vegans don't feel smug the food borne infections from fruits and vegetables exceed the food borne infections from meat every year too.  Better fry up that salad if you want it to be actually healthy.


Most people dying from food infections are slobs, old senile people, & people who like to eat fancy pants food like raw seafood.

Some people die from bacteria on food boohoo. Humans are in no danger of going extinct. The ones with superior immune systems are supposed to survive.
 
2013-02-20 06:46:09 PM  

Shadi: blatz514: Meat?

Someone should try deep frying pink slime...


What do you think a chicken anything at any fast food joint is?

Here in Virginia, horse is big business. Part of that business was of course sending off the horses off to the butcher to the foreign market. Then they made a regulation that said you couldn't send the horsies to the butcher or rendering plant..

Okay fine... so now they ship the horses to Mexico to be butchered or rendered. All the regulations managed to do was ship jobs over the boarder.

Because horseies are cute and magical!

I personally could care less about horses, and I've eaten horse meat and quite enjoyed it. But, it isn't beef, which was bred for eons to be as tasty as it is. I will take a cut of beef over the same cut of horse any day of the week. But a good chunk of this states GDP has been compromised because you can no longer raise mutt horse as butcher able livestock. But at the same point, the practice hasn't stopped, so the regulations haven't worked.

And overall.. all this is a big deal about nothing. If you are buying cheap ass ground meat for your mass produced product, deal with what you get. Horsemeat in the mix seems to me a first world problem.
I meen really! What do you think happens to all those ponies all those little girls wish for when the families can no longer afford the stabling and feed? They get turned into glue, biodesiel and taco bell meat
 
2013-02-20 06:46:20 PM  
We are building strong immune systems, one burger at a time.
 
2013-02-20 06:47:50 PM  
FTA:  According to

Because Socialism!

Value the EPA puts on an American life: $5,000,000
Value the Japanese put on a Japanese life: $100,000,000
Value Europeans put on a good dinner: Priceless.
 
2013-02-20 06:48:02 PM  
The solution is obviously to get rid of the USDA, the FDA, the EPA, and the ED.

/libertarian thinking
 
2013-02-20 06:48:13 PM  

Nabb1: It is, but it's a lot cheaper here than in Europe.  And you can get higher quality meat on a par with Europe as long as you find a butcher you trust.


You can, but it will cost nearly the same.

A hunk of beef tenderloin at my local butcher (it comes from a farm just outside the city) costs 289 NOK per kilo, so about $23/lb.  I am not really familiar with US beef prices now but I found grass-fed tenderloin of dubious origin (as in I can't point to the farm on google maps) for $16/lb.   It isn't all that large a difference considering how much more expensive Norway is.
 
2013-02-20 06:48:25 PM  
Infected Waste Runoff is my new band name.
 
2013-02-20 06:48:26 PM  
Having bought ground beef in Ireland, no. Just no. I'm sure better stuff is available, but that was, by far, the worst meat I've ever cooked.
 
2013-02-20 06:49:00 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Probably because of too much regulation. And not enough guns. More guns, less regulation. That's the answer, right?

/ I propose more boobies


No, only raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans will solve this problem.
 
2013-02-20 06:49:02 PM  
Still don't get the issue with horsemeat. It's lean and delicious and billions of people worldwide have no issue eating it.
 
2013-02-20 06:50:08 PM  
And remember boys and girls,  in some states you can even go to jail for exposing how disgusting it is.
MERICA!! FREDUM!!

Hypnozombie
 
2013-02-20 06:50:36 PM  
Someone buys their meat at Wal-Mart
 
2013-02-20 06:51:08 PM  

Beta Tested: AverageAmericanGuy: Taste-wise, American beef is superior to European beef. Maybe it's the contaminants. So be it.

Yea, no.  European beef is highly regional, and can vary quite a bit from country to country and even farm to farm within a country.  Cattle ranching isn't nearly as industrialized here.  Norwegian beef for example is all grass fed and raised on small farms.  It is amazing, I refuse to eat anything else while I am here.  I think Norwegian beef is the only one that Japan will import (that is something I heard though and can't find confirmation).


I found plenty of American and Aussie beef when I lived in Japan.  It was cheap and clearly lower-quality than the local stuff.  Locally produced beef was way expensive though.
 
2013-02-20 06:52:24 PM  
Just remember, you can't spell slaughterhouse without laughter.
 
2013-02-20 06:52:30 PM  

Beta Tested: I think Norwegian beef is the only one that Japan will import (that is something I heard though and can't find confirmation).


Um, no.  They import from Australia and the United States.  However, they do have more of a mind for quality, and in that debate, America has its proper place.  The four- and five-star steakhouses serve Japanese and Australian beef; the U.S. stuff is cheap junk food.
 
2013-02-20 06:53:27 PM  

fusillade762: I think the problem is that horses aren't meant to be eaten in most cases and so they're often pumped full of drugs that aren't allowed in cattle.


I always figured it was that and that (as far as I know) since horse aren't generally considered food, they aren't checked by the regulatory administrations. A quick googling seems to say that only recently was the USDA allowed to test horse meat, and they don't have the budget to actually do it.
 
2013-02-20 06:54:08 PM  

OscarTamerz: It's incredibly easy to sterilize meat with gamma rays which is how many things from spices  to drugs to medical supplies are sterilized.  The whackos stop this from being done because it's scary radiation and the deaths from food infections exceed gun murders every year.  And just so the vegans don't feel smug the food borne infections from fruits and vegetables exceed the food borne infections from meat every year too.  Better fry up that salad if you want it to be actually healthy.


FWIW, I haven't had food poisoning since I went full academy* (haven't been sick at all, come to think of it.) Where you do get problems is with commercial pre-sliced onion and tomato IIRC.  Those are brutal for contamination but a lot of the time that's from knife re-use.  Sprouts, too.  I don't eat sprouts because you just can't clean them.  And if you aren't washing your food before you prep it, you're asking for trouble, and that's just as true for lettuce and pork chops.

*The reason I stopped eating meat was due to the reduction in slaughterhouse regulation in 2000 and the noticable degradation in quality.
 
2013-02-20 06:55:03 PM  
Sorry. Lost the quotation because of the links.

FTA:  According to Center for Disease Control estimates, 48 million Americans get sick, 128,000 are hospitalized, and 3,000 die from foodborne illnesses every year. In comparison, the entire European Union had roughly 45,000 illnesses and 32 deaths from contaminated food in 2008. That means foodborne illness strikes 15 percent of Americans each year, but only .00009 percent of Europeans.

Those are shocking numbers. I didn't expect such an enormous difference. 48,000,000 vs. 45,000 and 3,000 vs. 15. Really, really a national shame. And it's all because the corporations that control Big Agro-Industry in the USA and Canada are more shameless money whores than the Italian Mafia.

Time to march on Washington. Take really big pots and cooking fuel.
 
2013-02-20 06:55:07 PM  

Nabb1: It is, but it's a lot cheaper here than in Europe.


You may want to investigate your food producers when Mexico refuses to accept American meat (as per article).

And you can get higher quality meat on a par with Europe as long as you find a butcher you trust.

And that's where the problem lies. How many people get their meat from a butcher? A butcher who can tell the customer from which animal their cut came from? The horse meat scandal could only happen when people put blind faith in corporations aiming to squeeze the last penny out of their profit margin.

mahuika: Nabb1: It is, but it's a lot cheaper here than in Europe.  And you can get higher quality meat on a par with Europe as long as you find a butcher you trust.

You know why it's cheaper, right? I'll give you a hint, it starts with a G and ends with an OVERNMENT HANDOUT


EU farmers get all sorts of silly subsidies from governments too. Based on the article and what I know of the US government, I'd say it's cheaper through poorer regulation.
 
2013-02-20 06:56:13 PM  
It has always seemed to me that if you wanted to design an apparatus for creating virulent, antibiotic resistant diseases, large scale factory farming would be a good way to go about it.
 
2013-02-20 06:57:20 PM  

doglover: fark off, subby. Horse is good. Eurpope's just uptight.


Eurpope prefers chickenhawk meat sausages.
 
2013-02-20 06:57:23 PM  

OscarTamerz: It's incredibly easy to sterilize meat with gamma rays


What I'm interested in is the effect of gamma rays on man in the moon marigolds.
 
2013-02-20 06:57:43 PM  
  Pardon me sir.....there appears to be a stirrup in my meatloaf...Have you got anything with just a couple of whip marks?
 
2013-02-20 06:59:15 PM  
If there was one thing that I would think would get hardcore carnivores to oppose our food raising conditions it would be for a much much better product.

Best beef I had ever had was in Argentina.
 
2013-02-20 07:01:40 PM  
This steak still has marks where the jockey was hitting it.

www.carlspackler.com
 
2013-02-20 07:02:53 PM  

miniflea: It has always seemed to me that if you wanted to design an apparatus for creating virulent, antibiotic resistant diseases, large scale factory farming would be a good way to go about it.


Its already happening.  Chickens, pigs, and cows are feed antibiotics in their feed.  It makes them bigger (possibly by killing "good" gut bacteria that may be taking some of the energy from food the animals eat).  Of course, Samonella typhimurium and other nasty bugs develop antibiotic resistance due to being bathed in them all day.  BTW we have known about this for a long time, but it would put a dent in agro business profits so guess what happens?  Nothing.

Salmonella with one or more antibiotic resistances is up to maybe half of all strains looked at in the wild.
 
2013-02-20 07:03:29 PM  

CreativeFarkHandle: I found plenty of American and Aussie beef when I lived in Japan.  It was cheap and clearly lower-quality than the local stuff.  Locally produced beef was way expensive though.


Thank you for the correction, I did find more information on Japan though when I stumbled across a rather complete PDF with just the information I was looking for:

"Countries under the LDC list are allowed duty-free, quota-free access for beef exports to Norway, but at present, no countries on that list  currently supply to Norway. A major factor for this is strict SPS regulations that govern animal health in the beef trade, particularly as concerns FMD. Countries that wish to export beef are required to be certified by the OIE (World Animal Health Organization) as being free of  FMD; specific, contiguous zones can also be specified as FMD-free as well. There is a further distinction on FMD status between those countries that vaccinate against FMD and those that do not. This distinction is made as tests for the presence of FMD typically do not distinguish between clinical FMD and those animals that have generated an immune response to the disease; some countries, notably Japan and Korea, use this as criteria to only accept meat from FMD-free without vaccination countries "

So, basically, Japan and Korea have really high restrictions on imported beef.  Further down I found that most of these imports come from Norway, Australia, New Zealand, and some south pacific island chain called Vanuatu.  I think what that means is that if the individual American beef passes those same restrictions it can be imported, but that may be on a case by case basis?  I don't know for sure

Warning, Link to PDF
 
2013-02-20 07:03:57 PM  
Horse is a fine meat. I mean, obviously it isn't chicken fried rabbit; but, a fine meat none the less.

/ when I was a pup; I would often visit my maternal grandmother. She lived in the country. She served some interesting things; such as tongue, head cheese, chicken fried rabbit and other such things: all with a side of her world famous barbecue sauce. To this day; I think her barbecue sauce would make radioactive waste taste good.
 
2013-02-20 07:04:33 PM  
For my fellow Canadians, I did a Google for Canadian stats. According to the Cdn Gov, there are an estimated 11,000,000 case of food-borne illness each year in Canada. That is twice as high as the US number but is an estimate so it may not mean that Canadian food safety is worse. On the other hand, it is definitely not better.

http://www.inspection.gc.ca/food/consumer-centre/food-safety-tips/fo od -poisoning/eng/1331151916451/1331152055552
 
2013-02-20 07:06:12 PM  

Beta Tested: AverageAmericanGuy: Taste-wise, American beef is superior to European beef. Maybe it's the contaminants. So be it.

Yea, no.  European beef is highly regional, and can vary quite a bit from country to country and even farm to farm within a country.  Cattle ranching isn't nearly as industrialized here.  Norwegian beef for example is all grass fed and raised on small farms.  It is amazing, I refuse to eat anything else while I am here.  I think Norwegian beef is the only one that Japan will import (that is something I heard though and can't find confirmation).


I don't know about beef, but bacon just tasted better in Scotland. I don't know why. Every morning, every city, town, and village, highland, lowland, or island, it was like waking up to a slice of an angel on my plate.
 
2013-02-20 07:06:38 PM  
not sure where subby buys/eats, but the steak in PA is excellent,  $700 - $800 sides, 330 - 350 lbs, less than $2.50/lb.  Can't afford or store a whole side, split one with a neighbor or two.
 
2013-02-20 07:07:33 PM  

Lucidz: Uhhhhhh.  This article pisses me off to no end.  First off, of course meat is better in Europe, and it has nothing to do with cleanliness.  It has to do with diet.  Who cares if the cows live in shiat, so do pigs.  The stuff you eat is on the INSIDE of the animals people...

Also, most all foodborne ilnesses come from improper cooking.  It has nothing to do with the quality of the product.


You are totally right, there is absolutely no established correlation between pathogens and overcrowding/sanitation.  They are completely unrelated.

/Sarcasm
 
2013-02-20 07:10:17 PM  

iheartscotch: chicken fried rabbit


We had chicken fried rabbit at the Fourth of July barbecue one year when I was a teenager.

Oh my God. So great.
 
2013-02-20 07:11:51 PM  
I am sick with some horrible form of dysentery right now, so I can't eat, but this thread is really yummy sounding....
 
2013-02-20 07:11:56 PM  

rev. dave: Please don't remind me of any of this.  It is not healthy for me to stop eating meat, in fact, it should be 85% of my diet to better lose weight.   I did not read the article or any comments because it does not take much to turn my stomach.  I have been known to stop eating meat for 2  or more years out of disgust.    Off to fry up some Johnson's mild Italian sausage to be served with habanero munster.


Find a reputable local butcher and you're not only good to go, you'll probably find that you enjoy eating what you get more.
 
2013-02-20 07:12:39 PM  
Why is America such a horrible place?  Why are Americans such horrible people?
 
2013-02-20 07:12:59 PM  

earthworm2.0: I am sick with some horrible form of dysentery right now, so I can't eat, but this thread is really yummy sounding....


well it was...
 
2013-02-20 07:13:17 PM  

Matthew Keene: doglover: fark off, subby. Horse is good. Eurpope's just uptight.

Try serving Flicka in the USA and see what happens.


Well we have been eating Norman for quite a while (City Slickers) .....
 
2013-02-20 07:13:51 PM  

dragonchild: Beta Tested: I think Norwegian beef is the only one that Japan will import (that is something I heard though and can't find confirmation).

Um, no.  They import from Australia and the United States.  However, they do have more of a mind for quality, and in that debate, America has its proper place.  The four- and five-star steakhouses serve Japanese and Australian beef; the U.S. stuff is cheap junk food.


Yes.  I should clarify that the cheap Aussie beef I found was at the supermarket.  Good Aussie beef could be found restaurants alongside Japanese beef.
 
2013-02-20 07:17:09 PM  

piledhigheranddeeper: Journalistic crap.  They are equating the estimated number of hospital visits in Europe to the number of estimated upset-stomach  non-hospital events in the US.  The CDC and the European CDC likely has different standards for reporting food born illnesses.


citation needed
 
2013-02-20 07:17:22 PM  
The fast-approaching sequester cuts will also eliminate roughly 600 food inspector positions at meat and poultry plants.

Meh, big deal, 600 fewer government employees getting kickbacks, I think we'll live.
 
2013-02-20 07:18:51 PM  

cptrios: Still don't get the issue with horsemeat. It's lean and delicious and billions of people worldwide have no issue eating it.


Because they weren't labeling it properly and trying to pass it off as beef.  That's called fraud.
 
2013-02-20 07:18:53 PM  

freewill: iheartscotch: chicken fried rabbit

We had chicken fried rabbit at the Fourth of July barbecue one year when I was a teenager.

Oh my God. So great.


Yes; my grandparents raised meat rabbits from the 30's well into the early 90's. Chicken fried rabbit, rabbit stew and rabbit pot pie were family favorites.

I'd do it too; but, cultivating eatin' rabbits is frowned upon nowadays
 
Xai
2013-02-20 07:21:14 PM  
I think that what people in the US needs is simply accurate labeling. Put how much pink slime is in your food etc.
 
2013-02-20 07:21:42 PM  
That's why I only eat beef that once had a name.

Poor Fred. He was tasty.
 
2013-02-20 07:22:07 PM  

iheartscotch: freewill: iheartscotch: chicken fried rabbit

We had chicken fried rabbit at the Fourth of July barbecue one year when I was a teenager.

Oh my God. So great.

Yes; my grandparents raised meat rabbits from the 30's well into the early 90's. Chicken fried rabbit, rabbit stew and rabbit pot pie were family favorites.

I'd do it too; but, cultivating eatin' rabbits is frowned upon nowadays


Really?  I didn't know that, but I have a soft spot for the things so I don't think I could eat ones I raised.  The only way I get them is if someone I know kills one in the wild or I buy them at the local market.  Much like duck, I really prefer the wild variety.
 
2013-02-20 07:22:10 PM  

Phony_Soldier: No, only raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans will solve this problem.


That can't be right. That sounds like common sense..... common sense is never the right thing to do.
 
2013-02-20 07:23:34 PM  

theMagni: OscarTamerz: It's incredibly easy to sterilize meat with gamma rays which is how many things from spices  to drugs to medical supplies are sterilized.  The whackos stop this from being done because it's scary radiation and the deaths from food infections exceed gun murders every year.  And just so the vegans don't feel smug the food borne infections from fruits and vegetables exceed the food borne infections from meat every year too.  Better fry up that salad if you want it to be actually healthy.

FWIW, I haven't had food poisoning since I went full academy* (haven't been sick at all, come to think of it.) Where you do get problems is with commercial pre-sliced onion and tomato IIRC.  Those are brutal for contamination but a lot of the time that's from knife re-use.  Sprouts, too.  I don't eat sprouts because you just can't clean them.  And if you aren't washing your food before you prep it, you're asking for trouble, and that's just as true for lettuce and pork chops.

*The reason I stopped eating meat was due to the reduction in slaughterhouse regulation in 2000 and the noticable degradation in quality.


Don't forget using the same cutting boards and knives for meats and vegetables without washing either.

Americans are so used to eating food out of a box that by god when you actually have to chop something or cut fat from meat, etc, they clam up (no pun intended) and  fark themselves with bad cooking practices.

For gods sakes, America is the country who gave the world Sandra Lee!!! That alone should be punishable by nuclear hellfire.
 
2013-02-20 07:23:56 PM  

namegoeshere: That's why I only eat beef that once had a name.

Poor Fred. He was tasty.


But, your boloney; does it have a first name?
 
2013-02-20 07:24:33 PM  
Argentina and Brazil have decent beef, but they know how to cook it.

Most of south america everything is grass feed, in the sense the cow had to fend for itself, I never saw a bale of hay in Colombia, just some anorexic cows wandering around eating whatever they could reach.

But give me a big tbone USDA stamped with the fat marbled through it any day.
 
2013-02-20 07:24:47 PM  

Matthew Keene: I pick at my ass down at the supermarket, and then I touch your foods without washing my hands.


Not quite as bad as touching our food without using your hands.
/saw this act in a club in Hamburg once...
 
2013-02-20 07:25:06 PM  
There is only one good way to obtain ground beef in America.

1. Start with a beef shoulder, chuck, sirloin, rib, or other cut
2. Run it through your meat grinder twice.
3. Bleach meat grinder when finished.

That's it.
 
2013-02-20 07:25:28 PM  

iheartscotch: freewill: iheartscotch: chicken fried rabbit

We had chicken fried rabbit at the Fourth of July barbecue one year when I was a teenager.

Oh my God. So great.

Yes; my grandparents raised meat rabbits from the 30's well into the early 90's. Chicken fried rabbit, rabbit stew and rabbit pot pie were family favorites.

I'd do it too; but, cultivating eatin' rabbits is frowned upon nowadays


I can buy rabbit tenderloins and leg quarters at my local grocery store.  I like to make chili with them.
 
2013-02-20 07:26:00 PM  
Venison FTW
 
2013-02-20 07:27:04 PM  

iheartscotch: namegoeshere: That's why I only eat beef that once had a name.

Poor Fred. He was tasty.

But, your boloney; does it have a first name?


Yes. Oscar'slipsandasshole.
 
2013-02-20 07:27:07 PM  

jigger: Don't worry the government will protect us from this.

[twimg0-a.akamaihd.net image 250x250]


My uncle is an inspector for that agency... You don't want to know what he finds on a bad day.

/which is why we buy 1/4 Steer from trusted friends AND a trusted butcher every year.
 
2013-02-20 07:28:37 PM  

Beta Tested: Lucidz: Uhhhhhh.  This article pisses me off to no end.  First off, of course meat is better in Europe, and it has nothing to do with cleanliness.  It has to do with diet.  Who cares if the cows live in shiat, so do pigs.  The stuff you eat is on the INSIDE of the animals people...

Also, most all foodborne ilnesses come from improper cooking.  It has nothing to do with the quality of the product.

You are totally right, there is absolutely no established correlation between pathogens and overcrowding/sanitation.  They are completely unrelated.

/Sarcasm


Assuming you're not just arguing for the sake of arguing...

http://www.livestrong.com/article/114674-common-foods-causing-poison in g-united/

The above link says that some of the most common foods that cause poisoning due to overcrowding, chicken and beef, (almost exclusively, ground beef amongst cow products) are resolved with proper cooking.
 
2013-02-20 07:29:32 PM  

Mr. Right: rooftop235: And why do we call it a hamburger when it's made of beef?

Because that style of serving (originally) minced beef originated in Hamburg, Germany.


DING!  :-)
 
2013-02-20 07:30:41 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: There is only one good way to obtain ground beef in America.

1. Start with a beef shoulder, chuck, sirloin, rib, or other cut
2. Run it through your meat grinder twice.
3. Bleach meat grinder when finished.

That's it.


TBH, there aren't a lot of "healthy" meals that are based around ground beef so I try to avoid it anyways. (Having an unhealthy meal with ground beef for dinner tonight, heh, irony)
 
2013-02-20 07:31:12 PM  

timujin: iheartscotch: freewill: iheartscotch: chicken fried rabbit

We had chicken fried rabbit at the Fourth of July barbecue one year when I was a teenager.

Oh my God. So great.

Yes; my grandparents raised meat rabbits from the 30's well into the early 90's. Chicken fried rabbit, rabbit stew and rabbit pot pie were family favorites.

I'd do it too; but, cultivating eatin' rabbits is frowned upon nowadays

Really?  I didn't know that, but I have a soft spot for the things so I don't think I could eat ones I raised.  The only way I get them is if someone I know kills one in the wild or I buy them at the local market.  Much like duck, I really prefer the wild variety.


The key is; don't give them names and don't play with the ones that you know are going to get eaten.

The fondness thing is the reason why raising rabbits for meat is frowned upon; especially in cities.

I haven't eaten domesticated rabbit in a number of years. When it's all you've got though; you start seeing the rabbit as food.
 
2013-02-20 07:32:56 PM  

namegoeshere: Venison FTW


Venison is only good for sausage and pepper sticks.

There is only one perfect meat on the planet, and it looks like this:

www.erschools.com
 
2013-02-20 07:34:02 PM  
This reminds me. Freezer is getting empty, time to hit up the country butcher for a new quarter of beef. Local beef raised the old fashioned way. Half a year's supply for less than buying at the grocery store and will fit in the freezer compartment of my basement beer fridge. It's the only way to eat.
 
2013-02-20 07:34:29 PM  

FilmBELOH20: namegoeshere: Venison FTW

Venison is only good for sausage and pepper sticks.

There is only one perfect meat on the planet, and it looks like this:

[www.erschools.com image 450x336]


Yes, but how do you harvest it, without being a menace to society.  You are so violent!  I fear for the safety of your family, friends and neighbors.
 
2013-02-20 07:34:54 PM  

AlHarris31: iheartscotch: freewill: iheartscotch: chicken fried rabbit

We had chicken fried rabbit at the Fourth of July barbecue one year when I was a teenager.

Oh my God. So great.

Yes; my grandparents raised meat rabbits from the 30's well into the early 90's. Chicken fried rabbit, rabbit stew and rabbit pot pie were family favorites.

I'd do it too; but, cultivating eatin' rabbits is frowned upon nowadays

I can buy rabbit tenderloins and leg quarters at my local grocery store.  I like to make chili with them.


Really? Sometimes, you can find interesting stuff in grocery stores. One of the ones near me has Unagi and other sushi items. I'll have to ask if they have rabbit.
 
2013-02-20 07:35:53 PM  

FilmBELOH20: Venison is only good for sausage and pepper sticks.


Nah. Come hunt in CNY. Our deers hang out  and get fat in the corn fields. You can fry up a steak and eat it plain. Not gamey at all.
 
2013-02-20 07:35:59 PM  

pdieten: This reminds me. Freezer is getting empty, time to hit up the country butcher for a new quarter of beef. Local beef raised the old fashioned way. Half a year's supply for less than buying at the grocery store and will fit in the freezer compartment of my basement beer fridge. It's the only way to eat.


gawd-damn!  You a bad motherfarker!
 
2013-02-20 07:36:34 PM  

Propain_az: FilmBELOH20: namegoeshere: Venison FTW

Venison is only good for sausage and pepper sticks.

There is only one perfect meat on the planet, and it looks like this:

[www.erschools.com image 450x336]

Yes, but how do you harvest it, without being a menace to society.  You are so violent!  I fear for the safety of your family, friends and neighbors.


If guns are outlawed, only elk will have guns!
 
2013-02-20 07:36:34 PM  

namegoeshere: Venison FTW



Agreed.It's a little lean for burger, but you can't beat it for taste.
 
2013-02-20 07:36:36 PM  

OscarTamerz: It's incredibly easy to sterilize meat with gamma rays which is how many things from spices  to drugs to medical supplies are sterilized.  The whackos stop this from being done...


You should move to the US. Millions of pounds of gamma treated beef is sold in the US every year. Look for the symbol (at stores - restaurants don't need to display the symbol).

"Today Americans are consuming about 18 million pounds of irradiated red meat per year, and experiencing a rapidly growing demand to over 35 million pounds of fresh irradiated produce", according to Ron Eustice the former Executive Director of the Minnesota Beef Council. "
 
2013-02-20 07:38:06 PM  

mahuika: Nabb1: It is, but it's a lot cheaper here than in Europe.  And you can get higher quality meat on a par with Europe as long as you find a butcher you trust.

You know why it's cheaper, right? I'll give you a hint, it starts with a G and ends with an OVERNMENT HANDOUT


Yup. Corn and soy fed to feedlot cattle is heavily subsidized, just for starters. Not so good for the cattles' digestion or general health.

Grass-fed costs 1.5x as much, but is totally worth it.
 
2013-02-20 07:38:10 PM  
I've actually consciously eaten horse.  Even more frightening, it was horse sashimi.  It was thin sliced, raw horse meat. I ate it in a Korean restaurant, in Japan.

I was young then, and interestingly so, I stopped eating meat later that year.  I don't think it was related though.
 
2013-02-20 07:38:33 PM  
If you've had the crap they sell at the fast food joints lately, you know this to be true.
 
2013-02-20 07:38:41 PM  
Is it so farking impossible to produce meat by:

breed cow.
feed cow well till it grows up.
slaughter cow.
cut off chunk of meat according to taste/purpose
sell meat.
cook meat
eat meat.
repeat.
 
2013-02-20 07:38:42 PM  

Propain_az: FilmBELOH20: namegoeshere: Venison FTW

Venison is only good for sausage and pepper sticks.

There is only one perfect meat on the planet, and it looks like this:

[www.erschools.com image 450x336]

Yes, but how do you harvest it, without being a menace to society.  You are so violent!  I fear for the safety of your family, friends and neighbors.


I call them over to me and whisper that I'm hungry.  They lay down and stop their own heart from beating.  It's very peaceful.
 
2013-02-20 07:39:27 PM  
if any ladies in this thread would like some cream-filled german sausage

bie?
eip
 
2013-02-20 07:40:40 PM  

namegoeshere: iheartscotch: namegoeshere: That's why I only eat beef that once had a name.

Poor Fred. He was tasty.

But, your boloney; does it have a first name?

Yes. Oscar'slipsandasshole.


You're forgetting the fingers and dog tails.
 
2013-02-20 07:42:12 PM  

FilmBELOH20: Propain_az: FilmBELOH20: namegoeshere: Venison FTW

Venison is only good for sausage and pepper sticks.

There is only one perfect meat on the planet, and it looks like this:

[www.erschools.com image 450x336]

Yes, but how do you harvest it, without being a menace to society.  You are so violent!  I fear for the safety of your family, friends and neighbors.

I call them over to me and whisper that I'm hungry.  They lay down and stop their own heart from beating.  It's very peaceful.


I once ate at this restaurant where the cow came out to the table and pointed out which bits were the tastiest. Then it nipped off to the kitchen and shot itself. It told us not to worry; it would be very humane. Now THAT was a fresh steak.
 
2013-02-20 07:42:51 PM  

archichris: But if 15% of all Americans are getting sick EVERY YEAR, then there have to be people who are literally getting sick every month from food contaminents.....thats the only way that statistic can be accurate.


If you followed the links provided, the majority of the sickness is related to norovirus. The symptoms aren't usually serious.
 
2013-02-20 07:42:51 PM  

iheartscotch: namegoeshere: iheartscotch: namegoeshere: That's why I only eat beef that once had a name.

Poor Fred. He was tasty.

But, your boloney; does it have a first name?

Yes. Oscar'slipsandasshole.

You're forgetting the fingers and dog tails.


Ah. I see you've had the korean baloney.
 
2013-02-20 07:43:07 PM  

gaspode: Is it so farking impossible to produce meat by:

breed cow.
feed cow well till it grows up.
slaughter cow.
cut off chunk of meat according to taste/purpose
sell meat.
cook meat
eat meat.
repeat.


Sure, it's that easy on the surface, but there are assloads of variables (profit motives, biological factors) involved in your scheme, this is where shiat gets farked.  That and the scale of the operations.
 
2013-02-20 07:43:52 PM  

namegoeshere: FilmBELOH20: Venison is only good for sausage and pepper sticks.

Nah. Come hunt in CNY. Our deers hang out  and get fat in the corn fields. You can fry up a steak and eat it plain. Not gamey at all.


Our deer eat sunflowers, wheat and grass for the most part so it's not like a sage fed animal or anything, I just find the taste and texture of elk far superior to any other red or brown meat out there including beef.  Then again, if I can kill it and grill it, I'm usually happy no matter what.
 
2013-02-20 07:43:54 PM  

Propain_az: Why is America such a horrible place?  Why are Americans such horrible people?


Because we're number one at everything.
minorproblems.files.wordpress.com

LA-LA-LA-LA-LA! WE'RE NUMBER ONE! LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!
 
2013-02-20 07:44:09 PM  

Beta Tested: AverageAmericanGuy: Taste-wise, American beef is superior to European beef. Maybe it's the contaminants. So be it.

Yea, no.  European beef is highly regional, and can vary quite a bit from country to country and even farm to farm within a country.  Cattle ranching isn't nearly as industrialized here.  Norwegian beef for example is all grass fed and raised on small farms.  It is amazing, I refuse to eat anything else while I am here.  I think Norwegian beef is the only one that Japan will import (that is something I heard though and can't find confirmation).


You can find beef in the US raised on small grass farms too. They're all over. I even found a guy here in S. Dakota who raises yaks. That's some good meat right there.
 
2013-02-20 07:44:43 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: archichris: But if 15% of all Americans are getting sick EVERY YEAR, then there have to be people who are literally getting sick every month from food contaminents.....thats the only way that statistic can be accurate.

If you followed the links provided, the majority of the sickness is related to norovirus. The symptoms aren't usually serious.


I had farking norovirus last week. It may not be serious, but I tell you there were a couple of hours there where I pretty much wanted to curl up and die. Tipping over the bathroom laundry basket to sleep in the nice pile of dirty laundry...
 
2013-02-20 07:45:11 PM  

iheartscotch: timujin: iheartscotch: freewill: iheartscotch: chicken fried rabbit

We had chicken fried rabbit at the Fourth of July barbecue one year when I was a teenager.

Oh my God. So great.

Yes; my grandparents raised meat rabbits from the 30's well into the early 90's. Chicken fried rabbit, rabbit stew and rabbit pot pie were family favorites.

I'd do it too; but, cultivating eatin' rabbits is frowned upon nowadays

Really?  I didn't know that, but I have a soft spot for the things so I don't think I could eat ones I raised.  The only way I get them is if someone I know kills one in the wild or I buy them at the local market.  Much like duck, I really prefer the wild variety.

The key is; don't give them names and don't play with the ones that you know are going to get eaten.

The fondness thing is the reason why raising rabbits for meat is frowned upon; especially in cities.

I haven't eaten domesticated rabbit in a number of years. When it's all you've got though; you start seeing the rabbit as food.


Don't doubt, if it came down to me or the bunny, the bunny gets it.  But I live in a society overflowing with more food than we know what to do with, so I have the luxury of being picky.  Come the apocalypse, Mr. Pickles is farked.
 
2013-02-20 07:47:01 PM  

Beta Tested: rooftop235:
I am interested in trying a horse meat burger.
And why do we call it a hamburger when it's made of beef?

Horse meat tastes basically like beef, it is pretty good.  It is mostly used here in things like salami and what not, although you can buy cuts of it.

/Has whale meat in the freezer


YOU MONSTER!
 
2013-02-20 07:47:51 PM  

Propain_az: Why is America such a horrible place?  Why are Americans such horrible people?


Manifest Douchetiny
 
2013-02-20 07:48:04 PM  
If you are eating meat, and you have been eating it for awhile totally believing it is beef. Why the fark do you care? If horse meat is good enough to pass as beef fark it eat horse meat? Is there something wrong with horse meat that I don't know about? I haven't heard anything about mad horse disease. People are far too sensitive when it comes to food IMHO. You are an animal. An omnivore, if you didn't live in civilization and you were hungry and a horse walked, you would try to kill and eat the horse just the same as if a cow walked by.
 
2013-02-20 07:49:49 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-20 07:50:58 PM  

tonygotskilz: You are an animal. An omnivore, if you didn't live in civilization and you were hungry and a horse walked, you would try to kill and eat the horse just the same as if a cow walked by.


MOO!!!

lovethatred.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-20 07:52:11 PM  
I can go to the grocery store at 8pm on Sunday.

Suck on that, Europe.
 
2013-02-20 07:54:09 PM  

timujin: iheartscotch: timujin: iheartscotch: freewill: iheartscotch: chicken fried rabbit

We had chicken fried rabbit at the Fourth of July barbecue one year when I was a teenager.

Oh my God. So great.

Yes; my grandparents raised meat rabbits from the 30's well into the early 90's. Chicken fried rabbit, rabbit stew and rabbit pot pie were family favorites.

I'd do it too; but, cultivating eatin' rabbits is frowned upon nowadays

Really?  I didn't know that, but I have a soft spot for the things so I don't think I could eat ones I raised.  The only way I get them is if someone I know kills one in the wild or I buy them at the local market.  Much like duck, I really prefer the wild variety.

The key is; don't give them names and don't play with the ones that you know are going to get eaten.

The fondness thing is the reason why raising rabbits for meat is frowned upon; especially in cities.

I haven't eaten domesticated rabbit in a number of years. When it's all you've got though; you start seeing the rabbit as food.

Don't doubt, if it came down to me or the bunny, the bunny gets it.  But I live in a society overflowing with more food than we know what to do with, so I have the luxury of being picky.  Come the apocalypse, Mr. Pickles is farked.


Wellllll; not exactly. If mr. pickles has his bits intact; you could get him a mrs. pickles and eat their offsprings. They'd be like the little kosher pickles. You'd survive longer that way.
 
2013-02-20 07:54:32 PM  
I used to hunt rabbit and grey squirrel (country squirrel - big difference) back when I was a kid in Arkansas. I actually preferred the squirrel - as the rabbits were so tough. Rattlesnake was bland and chewy, dove was EXCELLENT & easy to clean too...
 
2013-02-20 07:56:17 PM  
If anyone complaining or whining eats at Burger King, McDonalds or god forbid Taco Bell, you are the epitome of irony.
 
2013-02-20 07:58:21 PM  

Matthew Keene: tonygotskilz: You are an animal. An omnivore, if you didn't live in civilization and you were hungry and a horse walked, you would try to kill and eat the horse just the same as if a cow walked by.

MOO!!!

[lovethatred.files.wordpress.com image 650x432]



She broke my heart man...she broke my farking heart.   I'll never get over it..I'm loving and kissing all over her one day....and I meet some dude,loving and kissing all over her,coming up the other side.
 
2013-02-20 07:58:24 PM  
ih3.redbubble.net
 
2013-02-20 08:01:04 PM  

ThunderChicken: namegoeshere: Venison FTW


Agreed.It's a little lean for burger, but you can't beat it for taste.


I love venison burgers.  It's actually one of the things I miss most now that I'm in California... it was always so easy to come by when I lived in the South.
 
2013-02-20 08:01:28 PM  

namegoeshere: Venison FTW


Where I used to live, the deer and cows were eating the same thing: corn.
 
2013-02-20 08:02:10 PM  

shotglasss: A think progress link? No thanks, I get enough ultra-left garbage from NBC news.


Good catch. Wouldn't want to impinge on that Echo Chamber.

If Rush doesn't say it, it didn't happen, amirite?

\damn, I'm glad I use those favorites to mark the real nutbags
 
2013-02-20 08:02:10 PM  
Carmine, a red food coloring commonly used in yogurt and juice, is made by grinding up beetles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmine
 
2013-02-20 08:02:30 PM  

tonygotskilz: If you are eating meat, and you have been eating it for awhile totally believing it is beef. Why the fark do you care? If horse meat is good enough to pass as beef fark it eat horse meat? Is there something wrong with horse meat that I don't know about?


Putting aside the culture aspect that you've deemed insufficient, isn't it enough to be freaked out to know how little oversight companies like Nestle are giving to their producers? And yes, I am cynical and realize I am lied to by marketing on a daily basis, but that doesn't mean we still shouldn't feel outraged when the lies are made public.
 
2013-02-20 08:02:55 PM  

rooftop235: And why do we call it a hamburger when it's made of beef?


...I'd like to know where in Germany the town of Cheeseburg is.
 
2013-02-20 08:02:57 PM  

UsikFark: namegoeshere: Venison FTW

Where I used to live, the deer and cows were eating the same thing: corn.


Yup. That makes 'em tasty.
 
2013-02-20 08:03:48 PM  
I get my steaks from a butcher who gets a cow that grazed on a ranch about twenty miles away.   Pretty sure it's as safe as any.
 
2013-02-20 08:07:05 PM  

jigger: Don't worry the government will protect us from this.

[twimg0-a.akamaihd.net image 250x250]


You're right, they won't protect us. Not as long as the people we allow to represent our best interests are cronies of lobbyist scum.
 
2013-02-20 08:09:02 PM  
I've got 16lbs of brisket about to come off the smoker, and *now* they tell me I should have used that English horse?

THANKS OBAMA!
 
2013-02-20 08:11:11 PM  
Welcome to the jungle
We've got fun 'n' games
We got everything you want
Honey, we know the names
We are the people that can find
Whatever you may need
If you got the money, honey
We got your disease

upload.wikimedia.org

CUT FUNDING TO THE FDA because terr'ists.

ww4.hdnux.com

They never learn.
 
2013-02-20 08:11:51 PM  
I don't understand why the horsemeat thing is such a scandal.  Oh, sure, false advertising, whatever, go ahead and be pissed about that - but that doesn't seem to bother anyone so much as the meat itself.

I avoid most fast food joints like the plague, but if BK put a horsewhopper on the menu, I'd probably give it a try.
 
2013-02-20 08:12:32 PM  

IlGreven: rooftop235: And why do we call it a hamburger when it's made of beef?

...I'd like to know where in Germany the town of Cheeseburg is.


I believe it's next to the town of Whataburg.
 
2013-02-20 08:14:48 PM  

jigger: Don't worry the government will protect us from this.

[twimg0-a.akamaihd.net image 250x250]


Well, not after Bush cut it to the bone and started firing inspectors for doing their damn jobs.  You are such a tool.

Conservative agenda: cut a protective agency to the bone, point out how horrible it is at its job, do away with agency.

I hope you get e-coli.
 
2013-02-20 08:16:49 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: Shadi: blatz514: Meat?

Someone should try deep frying pink slime...

What do you think a chicken anything at any fast food joint is?

Here in Virginia, horse is big business. Part of that business was of course sending off the horses off to the butcher to the foreign market. Then they made a regulation that said you couldn't send the horsies to the butcher or rendering plant..

Okay fine... so now they ship the horses to Mexico to be butchered or rendered. All the regulations managed to do was ship jobs over the boarder.

Because horseies are cute and magical!

I personally could care less about horses, and I've eaten horse meat and quite enjoyed it. But, it isn't beef, which was bred for eons to be as tasty as it is. I will take a cut of beef over the same cut of horse any day of the week. But a good chunk of this states GDP has been compromised because you can no longer raise mutt horse as butcher able livestock. But at the same point, the practice hasn't stopped, so the regulations haven't worked.

And overall.. all this is a big deal about nothing. If you are buying cheap ass ground meat for your mass produced product, deal with what you get. Horsemeat in the mix seems to me a first world problem.
I meen really! What do you think happens to all those ponies all those little girls wish for when the families can no longer afford the stabling and feed? They get turned into glue, biodesiel and taco bell meat


This is complete bullshiat.
 
2013-02-20 08:18:32 PM  

dr_blasto: This is complete bullshiat.


I'm sure there's a little of that in your burger, too.
 
2013-02-20 08:22:17 PM  
At least it tastes better.
 
2013-02-20 08:24:00 PM  

Pockafrusta: jigger: Don't worry the government will protect us from this.

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My uncle is an inspector for that agency... You don't want to know what he finds on a bad day.

/which is why we buy 1/4 Steer from trusted friends AND a trusted butcher every year.


We raise beef cattle and have an Mennonite butcher the calves and sell them to friends and family. Our waiting list is currently right at one year so we are trying to decide if we should up our kill this year or not. It is kind of a pain when we have to pick it up at the butcher and then move it to the freezers until we can distribute it all but everyone loves it and we are making a lot more money than before when we just sold the calves at auction. Now to figure out some way to use the hides and I could up my yield by a few more percent...I think.
 
2013-02-20 08:27:34 PM  
Man, now I want a burger.

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2013-02-20 08:30:48 PM  

freewill: it was like waking up to a slice of an angel on my plate.


reske.us
 
2013-02-20 08:31:49 PM  

Wild Eyed and Wicked: Pockafrusta: jigger: Don't worry the government will protect us from this.

[twimg0-a.akamaihd.net image 250x250]

My uncle is an inspector for that agency... You don't want to know what he finds on a bad day.

/which is why we buy 1/4 Steer from trusted friends AND a trusted butcher every year.

We raise beef cattle and have an Mennonite butcher the calves and sell them to friends and family. Our waiting list is currently right at one year so we are trying to decide if we should up our kill this year or not. It is kind of a pain when we have to pick it up at the butcher and then move it to the freezers until we can distribute it all but everyone loves it and we are making a lot more money than before when we just sold the calves at auction. Now to figure out some way to use the hides and I could up my yield by a few more percent...I think.


Two words:

Leather Tanner.

The four words before that:

Sell them to a
 
2013-02-20 08:33:05 PM  
I've almost completely sworn off ground beef.  All it takes is to start frying up a lb of it and smelling what is undeniably the odor of fecal matter and then trying to convince myself that its not going to taste like shiat after I add other parts of whatever it is I'm concocting.

I've switched to ground turkey, healthier, better tasting and smelling and actually a lot cheaper.
 
2013-02-20 08:33:18 PM  
I hope they allow the horse to cure and hang like well-aged beefy beef
t0.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-20 08:37:37 PM  

AcesFull: Propain_az: Why is America such a horrible place?  Why are Americans such horrible people?

Manifest Douchetiny


Yes, we're horrible people. Please stay the fark away from us. You can even get contaminated by taking money from us, reading our web sites, watching our movies and listening to our music.
 
2013-02-20 08:38:05 PM  

iheartscotch: Wild Eyed and Wicked: Pockafrusta: jigger: Don't worry the government will protect us from this.

[twimg0-a.akamaihd.net image 250x250]

My uncle is an inspector for that agency... You don't want to know what he finds on a bad day.

/which is why we buy 1/4 Steer from trusted friends AND a trusted butcher every year.

We raise beef cattle and have an Mennonite butcher the calves and sell them to friends and family. Our waiting list is currently right at one year so we are trying to decide if we should up our kill this year or not. It is kind of a pain when we have to pick it up at the butcher and then move it to the freezers until we can distribute it all but everyone loves it and we are making a lot more money than before when we just sold the calves at auction. Now to figure out some way to use the hides and I could up my yield by a few more percent...I think.

Two words:

Leather Tanner.

The four words before that:

Sell them to a


My problem is that I can't find one local but maybe I should find the closest one and call and see what is involved...I looked into trying to learn it myself but it looks pretty expensive to get setup. The butcher charges more to cut the hide to use so I I need to be ready to go before I change my current processing order...
 
2013-02-20 08:45:14 PM  
i like bison.  buffalo tacos are awesome. also nothing like home raised beef. you know exactly what goes into them, the last two we had were delicious. we don't eat our horses because our horses are our friends.
 
2013-02-20 08:48:30 PM  

Wild Eyed and Wicked: iheartscotch: Wild Eyed and Wicked: Pockafrusta: jigger: Don't worry the government will protect us from this.

[twimg0-a.akamaihd.net image 250x250]

My uncle is an inspector for that agency... You don't want to know what he finds on a bad day.

/which is why we buy 1/4 Steer from trusted friends AND a trusted butcher every year.

We raise beef cattle and have an Mennonite butcher the calves and sell them to friends and family. Our waiting list is currently right at one year so we are trying to decide if we should up our kill this year or not. It is kind of a pain when we have to pick it up at the butcher and then move it to the freezers until we can distribute it all but everyone loves it and we are making a lot more money than before when we just sold the calves at auction. Now to figure out some way to use the hides and I could up my yield by a few more percent...I think.

Two words:

Leather Tanner.

The four words before that:

Sell them to a

My problem is that I can't find one local but maybe I should find the closest one and call and see what is involved...I looked into trying to learn it myself but it looks pretty expensive to get setup. The butcher charges more to cut the hide to use so I I need to be ready to go before I change my current processing order...


Those Mennonite characters are pretty crafty; I'm surprised not one of them had a use for hides.

Anyway; it's pretty cost prohibitive to set up a tannery. I suppose you could put it about that cow hides help with aging, or make your thing bigger. If that doesn't do it; I don't know what would.
 
2013-02-20 08:50:02 PM  
The most disgusting part of the article was "The average American consumes 270 lbs of meat a year."

That is .74 lb a day. 11.8 ounces. Maybe I just can't eating that much because I am small and female, but does that seem normal to you guys? Three quarter pounders a day? I mean half of americans are female and some are children.

Now maybe that is skewed because it includes the meat we waste and we aren't disgusting fat pigs?

/Also I work in wastewater and it is #*@(ing disgusting that fruit/vegetable farms are contaminated by their wastewater runoff.
//Also, don't get me wrong I love horses, but making it illegal to slaughter them does NOT help them. It means that people who can't feed their old/unsellable horse just let them starve instead of having them humanely slaughtered. Or unwanted sick/old/dying horses are shipped to mexico to work as cart horses. awesome. there is nothing that makes horse meat different from any other meat.
 
2013-02-20 09:03:31 PM  
Is this the part where we raise taxes again ?
 
2013-02-20 09:05:01 PM  

spidermilk: there is nothing that makes horse meat different from any other meat.


or dog, or cat... rat, for that matter, isn't really much different than rabbit if you think about it.  I've heard it makes a pretty good burger, actually.
 
2013-02-20 09:11:24 PM  

Lucidz: TBH, there aren't a lot of "healthy" meals that are based around ground beef so I try to avoid it anyways. (Having an unhealthy meal with ground beef for dinner tonight, heh, irony)


I guess you could say there aren't a "lot" of healthy meals with ground beef, so I'll agree with you there. But ground beef itself, especially if you drain the fat while you're cooking it, is really healthy. It's not that different (again, cooked and drained) from grilled chicken. Look at the nutritional content on your beef, weigh it before and after cooking, and assume that at least half of the lost weight was fat (maybe some is water evaporation, etc).  Have your burger with healthy veggies and you've got a good meal there.
 
2013-02-20 09:13:53 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Taste-wise, American beef is superior to European beef. Maybe it's the contaminants. So be it.


Oddly, this.  The last several cruises I've been on (5-6* lines none of this carnival level junk) the Europeans consumed mass amounts of beef (especially the Dutch).  When I asked why they all said the beef in their countries  sucked.  The cruise lines were all using USDA approved meat.
 
2013-02-20 09:16:32 PM  
dr_blasto:

This is complete bullshiat.

the pink slime "mechanically separated chicken part? or the horses being raised as live stock to be butchered as meat for overseas markets thing? or was it the neglected pony that was sold off and turned into soap?

you gotta be specific, so I can send the particular citation you are looking for
 
2013-02-20 09:18:14 PM  

Matthew Keene: dr_blasto: This is complete bullshiat.

I'm sure there's a little of that in your burger, too.


I was only referencing his sentence that included "taco bell meat" as we all know there's no meat in Taco Bell "food."
 
2013-02-20 09:27:17 PM  

AlHarris31: miniflea: It has always seemed to me that if you wanted to design an apparatus for creating virulent, antibiotic resistant diseases, large scale factory farming would be a good way to go about it.

Its already happening.  Chickens, pigs, and cows are feed antibiotics in their feed.  It makes them bigger (possibly by killing "good" gut bacteria that may be taking some of the energy from food the animals eat).  Of course, Samonella typhimurium and other nasty bugs develop antibiotic resistance due to being bathed in them all day.  BTW we have known about this for a long time, but it would put a dent in agro business profits so guess what happens?  Nothing.

Salmonella with one or more antibiotic resistances is up to maybe half of all strains looked at in the wild.


Antibiotics are given to animals because it is cheaper to dose the whole herd, flock, or litter then to lose a cow, a pig or two, or a dozen chickens.

Economics are the driving force. Economics being a technical term for money.
 
2013-02-20 09:28:46 PM  

dr_blasto: Matthew Keene: dr_blasto: This is complete bullshiat.

I'm sure there's a little of that in your burger, too.

I was only referencing his sentence that included "taco bell meat" as we all know there's no meat in Taco Bell "food."


I never mentioned Taco Bell Specifically, nor any other brand

:P
 
2013-02-20 09:33:08 PM  

LikeALeafOnTheWind: i like bison.  buffalo tacos are awesome. also nothing like home raised beef. you know exactly what goes into them, the last two we had were delicious. we don't eat our horses because our horses are our friends.


Make no mistake. If given the chance, those horses would slaughter and eat you and everyone you care about.
 
2013-02-20 09:37:56 PM  

iaazathot: Conservative agenda: cut a protective agency to the bone, point out how horrible it is at its job, do away with agency.


Yes, the budget of the USDA has been cut so severely that they can barely scrape together the $200,000 needed for an anti- American "diversity training" seminar in which employees are required to chant "the pilgrims were illegal aliens" (wot, not undocumented?)

And by the way... who's been President for the past five years? Nah, whatever tainted meat is out there must all be Bush's fault.

I hope you get e-coli.

Such pleasant people on the Left... as ever.
 
2013-02-20 09:38:20 PM  
www.ljbc.wa.edu.au

" ... trail of ignorance and corruption from the tangled red-tape of the medical community to the highest levels of the powerful meat industry. It is an eye-opening thriller..."
 
2013-02-20 09:41:34 PM  
ITT: lots of farkers arguing for the status quo

kinda like most threads that challenge farkers' world views
 
2013-02-20 09:49:21 PM  

Propain_az: Why is America such a horrible place?  Why are Americans such horrible people?


Only our inferiors feel that way.

We are the popular girls of this high school called life.
 
2013-02-20 09:51:16 PM  
AI find these threads depressing.  The amount of folks that have lost touch with their food chain is really telling. If you don't want your burger smelling like shiat or wood, maybe you should have butchered and cut it up yourself.  It is not that hard if you are willing to put in a little bit of effort.

A phone call to a local rancher, a .22 LR bullet, a sharp knife, a meat grinder and the ability to get it cut up and in a freezer is about all that is required.

I don't eat much beef since my freezer is stocked full of elk and deer at the moment, but when I do, you can bet that it does not come from the supermarket.
 
2013-02-20 09:53:13 PM  

HeadLever: AI find these threads depressing.  The amount of folks that have lost touch with their food chain is really telling. If you don't want your burger smelling like shiat or wood, maybe you should have butchered and cut it up yourself.  It is not that hard if you are willing to put in a little bit of effort.

A phone call to a local rancher, a .22 LR bullet, a sharp knife, a meat grinder and the ability to get it cut up and in a freezer is about all that is required.

I don't eat much beef since my freezer is stocked full of elk and deer at the moment, but when I do, you can bet that it does not come from the supermarket.


friggen hipster!
 
2013-02-20 09:54:10 PM  

Propain_az: Why is America such a horrible place?  Why are Americans such horrible people?


It isn't, and they aren't. That you believe this is the case stems from your parochialism and a lack of knowledge about the flaws of other countries, not to mention an ignorance of the very many horrible places and peoples that have existed all over the world since the dawn of time. There is a reason why millions of people want to move to your nation, and it isn't because their desired destination is some kind of hell on earth.
 
2013-02-20 09:56:14 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: HeadLever:  I don't eat much beef since my freezer is stocked full of elk and deer at the moment, but when I do, you can bet that it does not come from the supermarket.

friggen hipster!


I too like to hunt, but only animals you've never heard of.

/oh OK, I like to hunt haggis. But don't tell everyone about it or it'll be ruined
 
2013-02-20 09:57:20 PM  
People
Eating
Tasty
Animals

HARR HARR HARR!!!!
 
2013-02-20 09:57:51 PM  

Surpheon: OscarTamerz: It's incredibly easy to sterilize meat with gamma rays which is how many things from spices  to drugs to medical supplies are sterilized.  The whackos stop this from being done...

You should move to the US. Millions of pounds of gamma treated beef is sold in the US every year. Look for the symbol (at stores - restaurants don't need to display the symbol).

"Today Americans are consuming about 18 million pounds of irradiated red meat per year, and experiencing a rapidly growing demand to over 35 million pounds of fresh irradiated produce", according to Ron Eustice the former Executive Director of the Minnesota Beef Council. "


" have no idea how radiation works, so I will panic instead of educating myself"
 
2013-02-20 10:01:18 PM  
I like how they try to blame runoff for the ecoli on just random industrial farm runoff rather than say one bad word about workers that are imported because americans ask for a livable wage. these people are completely full of shiat.

you get ecoli from the vegetables from the farm workers, not from run off from the random pig farm.
http://www.ecolilawyer.com/

Public Health Agency of Canada
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/fs-sa/fs-fi/ecoli-eng.php

/still the owners fault. they should have mandatory breaks and portopotties and hand sanitation stations.
 
2013-02-20 10:09:34 PM  

relcec: I like how they try to blame runoff for the ecoli on just random industrial farm runoff rather than say one bad word about workers that are imported because americans ask for a livable wage. these people are completely full of shiat.


You lazy gringo bastard, if you were only willing to work for a bowl of rice and beans every day and sleep eight to a bedroom we wouldn't have to import people from Mexico whose culture and values are more vibrant than yours (and who rightfully own your house and land anyway, if you live in the Southwest).

P.S. Remember to vote for the Democratic Party -- it's the working man's friend!
 
2013-02-20 10:12:58 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: friggen hipster!


Ha, more redneck than anything.  It is pretty funny when you have the hipsters now following the lifestyle of us rednecks and hillbillies.
 
2013-02-20 10:16:43 PM  

Beta Tested: AverageAmericanGuy: Taste-wise, American beef is superior to European beef. Maybe it's the contaminants. So be it.

Yea, no.  European beef is highly regional, and can vary quite a bit from country to country and even farm to farm within a country.  Cattle ranching isn't nearly as industrialized here.  Norwegian beef for example is all grass fed and raised on small farms.  It is amazing, I refuse to eat anything else while I am here.  I think Norwegian beef is the only one that Japan will import (that is something I heard though and can't find confirmation).


I see Australian beef in the supermarket here a lot.  Beef is also stupid expensive because it's either imported or was insanely expensive to produce here, so I don't buy it.
 
2013-02-20 10:18:27 PM  

spidermilk: The most disgusting part of the article was "The average American consumes 270 lbs of meat a year."

That is .74 lb a day. 11.8 ounces.


That is just under 4 oz per meal.  Probably a little more than I eat, but we (family) kill, butcher and process about 300 pounds of meat and fish per year.  We do buy a little bit of pork and chicken from the stores, but this is a pretty small portion of our diet.

/used to raise chickens as well.  Not. Worth. It.
 
2013-02-20 10:18:43 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: relcec: I like how they try to blame runoff for the ecoli on just random industrial farm runoff rather than say one bad word about workers that are imported because americans ask for a livable wage. these people are completely full of shiat.

You lazy gringo bastard, if you were only willing to work for a bowl of rice and beans every day and sleep eight to a bedroom we wouldn't have to import people from Mexico whose culture and values are more vibrant than yours (and who rightfully own your house and land anyway, if you live in the Southwest).


Mexico is free to take Arizona back at any time.  Take it.  PLEASE.
 
2013-02-20 10:23:59 PM  

LadyBelgara: Mexico is free to take Arizona back at any time.  Take it.  PLEASE.


Is this a popular sentiment in Arizona, or do you have some other axe to grind? Is it because the residents of that state had the temerity to ask their federal government to enforce the existing immigration law? Just curious.
 
2013-02-20 10:32:42 PM  
ehh I'm not too appalled at the thought of eating horse meat, but it sounds like the horse meat trade treats them rather poorly.

be nice to the animals I'm about to eat, dammit!
 
2013-02-20 10:33:51 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: There is only one good way to obtain ground beef in America.

1. Start with a beef shoulder, chuck, sirloin, rib, or other cut
2. Run it through your meat grinder twice.
3. Bleach meat grinder when finished.

That's it.


Why would you grind it twice?
 
2013-02-20 10:35:29 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: LadyBelgara: Mexico is free to take Arizona back at any time.  Take it.  PLEASE.

Is this a popular sentiment in Arizona, or do you have some other axe to grind? Is it because the residents of that state had the temerity to ask their federal government to enforce the existing immigration law? Just curious.


It's because I was stuck living there for 26 years and absolutely detest the place.  For the most part it's full of idiots, bigots, and an absolute trainwreck of a state government.  There are a few sane people left, but they're becoming increasingly more scarce.  The fact that it is now a retirement haven has thrown the entire state to hell in a handbasket.  The old people don't want to pay for anything they're not using - for example, education.  The result?  Teachers like my mother get screwed the fark over because the state won't pay them, keeps piling on additional tests, standards and requirements, yet provides funding for none of it.  Where does it come from?  Teachers' pockets, if they want to keep their jobs.  My mother is going to have to retire because it's becoming worse for her to work than it is to retire and start drawing a pension.  Seriously, what the fark?

Yeah, I guess you could say I have an axe to grind.
 
2013-02-20 10:45:35 PM  

inclemency: Why would you grind it twice?


More consistent texture to the meat and it also distriubtes the added suet/fat better
 
2013-02-20 10:46:25 PM  

LadyBelgara: The old people don't want to pay for anything they're not using - for example, education. The result? Teachers like my mother get screwed the fark over because the state won't pay them, keeps piling on additional tests, standards and requirements, yet provides funding for none of it.


To be fair, though, increased expenditure on education is in itself no guarantee of increased quality of education; despite massive overall increases in education spending in many countries over the past few decades, test scores and academic achievements have mostly remained stagnant. It sounds as if the problem isn't with lack of funding so much as it is with a managerial culture of bureaucrats, administrators, and politicians who continually need to justify their existence by continually devising new and increasingly arcane standards for teachers to live up to, depending on the fashions of the moment. Most parents just want to see their children proficient in the basics necessary for navigating everyday life in a civilized society, and usually they don't get even that.
 
2013-02-20 10:53:20 PM  

JDJoeE: AverageAmericanGuy: Taste-wise, American beef is superior to European beef. Maybe it's the contaminants. So be it.

Oddly, this.  The last several cruises I've been on (5-6* lines none of this carnival level junk) the Europeans consumed mass amounts of beef (especially the Dutch).  When I asked why they all said the beef in their countries  sucked.  The cruise lines were all using USDA approved meat.


"A supposedly fun thing that I'll never do again" is a great essay by David Foster Wallace you might enjoy.
 
2013-02-20 11:10:09 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: LadyBelgara: The old people don't want to pay for anything they're not using - for example, education. The result? Teachers like my mother get screwed the fark over because the state won't pay them, keeps piling on additional tests, standards and requirements, yet provides funding for none of it.

To be fair, though, increased expenditure on education is in itself no guarantee of increased quality of education; despite massive overall increases in education spending in many countries over the past few decades, test scores and academic achievements have mostly remained stagnant. It sounds as if the problem isn't with lack of funding so much as it is with a managerial culture of bureaucrats, administrators, and politicians who continually need to justify their existence by continually devising new and increasingly arcane standards for teachers to live up to, depending on the fashions of the moment. Most parents just want to see their children proficient in the basics necessary for navigating everyday life in a civilized society, and usually they don't get even that.


It is not, but when you do not provide any funding for the materials needed for these additional requirements, you are already setting yourselves up for failure.  It also doesn't help that you're not paying people enough to attract them to the profession - and Arizona is pretty much the worst in the country.  My mother is now taking home less money than she did when she started teaching in the 70s.

Also, seeing the children that have been coming into schools over the years, it is increasingly the fault of the parents that want the schools to take over the job of parenting for them, yet are angry when laws bar the schools from doing just that.  Behavioral problems have gone through the roof.

This is not to say that there are not bad teachers; there certainly are.  But there are societal problems going on far beyond the scope of school that are contributing to academic failure.
 
2013-02-21 12:02:21 AM  
Americans are 8 times more likely to get food poisoning than Europeans.

Why? Because of lax campaign contribution laws, payola, etc.
 
2013-02-21 12:12:04 AM  

LadyBelgara: Yeah, I guess you could say I have an axe to grind.


That, and it's Rodeo Week, er, Fiesta de los Vaqueros.

/It snowed today.
//Really.
///We miss you: Come home and drive away some of the $%^&ing snowbirds.
 
2013-02-21 01:28:05 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: LadyBelgara: Yeah, I guess you could say I have an axe to grind.

That, and it's Rodeo Week, er, Fiesta de los Vaqueros.

/It snowed today.
//Really.
///We miss you: Come home and drive away some of the $%^&ing snowbirds.


Holy crap, it snowed in Tucson?  Has it already been seven years since the last snow?  Driving must have been buckets of fun...
 
2013-02-21 04:15:29 AM  

OscarTamerz: It's incredibly easy to sterilize meat with gamma rays which is how many things from spices  to drugs to medical supplies are sterilized.  The whackos stop this from being done because it's scary radiation and the deaths from food infections exceed gun murders every year.  And just so the vegans don't feel smug the food borne infections from fruits and vegetables exceed the food borne infections from meat every year too.  Better fry up that salad if you want it to be actually healthy.


I have known folks with gamma ray access who regularly irradiate their produce. It's fine. Apparently *great* esp for shelf life of berries. However I don't trust the current FDA, USDA, OSHA, whatever to make sure slaughter house workers can manage it safety when those probably same workers aren't safe in their slaughter house day to day work.
 
2013-02-21 04:28:10 AM  

Tax Boy: I can go to the grocery store at 8pm on Sunday.


So can I, so what?
 
2013-02-21 05:52:27 AM  
They can have my horse meat when they pry it from my cold, dead hands. Uh, wait...
 
2013-02-21 06:19:50 AM  

doglover: fark off, subby. Horse is good. Eurpope's just uptight.


They eat horse all over Europe, intentionally.
 
2013-02-21 06:28:46 AM  
Whoever wrote the article is either an idiot or simply engaging in silly propaganda.  The EFSA numbers only include illnesses from identifiable outbreaks.  The CDC numbers are gross i.e. include people cooking at home who don't know how to clean a cutting board.  There's a world of difference and anyone who thinks there's only 45K food related illnesses in the EU yearly is a complete moron.  There were over 50 deaths in just one country from just one outbreak last year.  Also the EFSA admits its estimates are probably extremely conservative, particularly with regard to Eastern European countries.

Fact is the EU and the US both are places with reasonably safe food supplies compared to the developing world.  Use basic hygiene in the kitchen and your risks remain pretty low.
 
2013-02-21 06:35:13 AM  

Egalitarian: ehh I'm not too appalled at the thought of eating horse meat, but it sounds like the horse meat trade treats them rather poorly.

be nice to the animals I'm about to eat, dammit!


no.
protein is protein.
seriously
 
PRS
2013-02-21 07:05:51 AM  

pdieten: This reminds me. Freezer is getting empty, time to hit up the country butcher for a new quarter of beef. Local beef raised the old fashioned way. Half a year's supply for less than buying at the grocery store and will fit in the freezer compartment of my basement beer fridge. It's the only way to eat.


I do that too, but I find that freezing meat degrades quality. More specifically, the fairly slow freezing process at -18°C causes the meat to lose a lot of juice when thawed, rendering my steaks kind of dry. Supposedly, freezing it at lower temperatures (say, -40°C) would prevent this, but that's not an option for me.
 
2013-02-21 07:14:40 AM  

PRS: pdieten: This reminds me. Freezer is getting empty, time to hit up the country butcher for a new quarter of beef. Local beef raised the old fashioned way. Half a year's supply for less than buying at the grocery store and will fit in the freezer compartment of my basement beer fridge. It's the only way to eat.

I do that too, but I find that freezing meat degrades quality. More specifically, the fairly slow freezing process at -18°C causes the meat to lose a lot of juice when thawed, rendering my steaks kind of dry. Supposedly, freezing it at lower temperatures (say, -40°C) would prevent this, but that's not an option for me.


what if you tape a cheetah to her back
 
2013-02-21 07:55:32 AM  
Also for subtard, 90% of all meat sold in Europe is factory farmed.  In terms of beef, 60% of EU production originates from dairy farms i.e. old dairy cows. No thanks.   American and Argentinian beef are expensive luxury products (I paid €40 per kg for American ribeyes yesterday and they were awesome). In some countries the beef in supermarkets is just simply shiate (Germany, Holland, I'm looking at you).  Ireland and some parts of the UK produce really good beef.  The French are proud of their Charolais but I've seen the things chained to their stalls in a massive barns and frankly I'm underwhelmed by the flavor.


Generally in Europe you have a North-South divide where animals up North tend to get more grass and pasturing whereas animals in Southern Europe get more silage and grains.  Most European beef is grass finished but not nearly to the extent of US feedlot cattle.
 
2013-02-21 11:30:22 AM  
It's real easy to criticize the US meat industry, but since the early 70's the demand for beef has more than doubled, in part thanks to Americans loving fast food and 'supersizing' portions. Then toss in greed for profits.

A beef shortage just before the Gas Crisis drove the cost of beef sky high. The shortage ended after about a year, but retailers, having discovered that folks would still pay high prices for beef, kept the prices high. More profit.

After the gas crisis, retailers had dozens of excuses as to why the cost of oil affected the cost of meat. People turned towards cheaper alternatives to beef, such as pork and fish. The diet and health craze soon pushed the price of seafood to historic highs. Pork quadrupled in price nearly over night as 'the other white meat'.

The slaughterhouses and meat packing plants were working overtime to meet the demand, which led to short cuts being taken in the preparation.

Enter the 'new' era of recycling. Toss an animal in one end of a slaughter house and product came out the other end, as even the scraps became valuable. Previously discarded parts suddenly had a market. Chunks of fat were recycled into oils for assorted industrial uses and bio-diesel. Neural tissue -- spinal cords, brains and such, started winding up in ground beef.

Even things like the pituitary and thyroid glands were added -- until the hormones started affecting people and then the practice was stopped. Along came the process of converting scrap meat into animal protein to be added to the feed for herbivores. It helped bulk them up faster and was usually made from the solids scraped from rendering tanks.

Then, higher quality cuts started going into pet foods.

I think about the only thing not used from a cow is the horns these days. Parts not used from poultry is now used for mulch. Previously, meat of any form was never added to compost.

The oil crisis encouraged the importation of cheaper meat and vegetable products from foreign nations, many of which had fewer processing health concerns. (China tended to send over product raised in soil fertilized with human sewage.)

Companies found more creative ways to make higher profits as the Yuppie fueled stock market demanded greater yields from investments in a shorter time. In poultry, a chicken became more valuable if broken up into parts, injected with 'broth' or sugar water to increase flavor.

At the same time, fast food places increased their demand for chicken. Deals made with nations like China, which prefers the dark meat over white, assured us that boat loads of chicken breasts, often questionably handled, fed the need.

The USDA, in the 70's, due to the shortage, was forced to reset the meat grading processes. Grade B meats became Grade A and grade C became grade B. (Whatever happened to the actual Grade A, I don't know.) However, it allowed for much more importation of meat from other nations. Veal and lamp started flowing in from Australia and New Zealand. Slaughtered, packaged and frozen, it arrived in the US to be defrosted, repackaged and refrozen and sold in stores.

In the 80's, political pressure pulled the teeth from much of the USDA. Budget cuts reduced the amount of food inspectors. Major companies were happy. The 'Organic' craze appeared and increased the cost of assorted foods right across the board.

Again, the American consumer sought cheaper products.

Consider also that farmland was being bought up for development, reducing the amount of desired space. Major farming corporations started pushing out small farmers and controlling the price. The explosive increase in the cost of diesel fuel wiped out many independent truckers who transport goods across the nation and also increased the cost of food.

To maximize profits, many companies handling food cut corners. Things like meat glue and pink slime appeared. So did caged farming. (More product could be raised faster in less space at less expense.)

Toss in the unexpected and absolutely stupid snatching of a huge chunk of the corn crop, which has been a cheap, healthy additive/filler in foods and feeds for years, to produce ethanol fuels, and the cost goes up again.

Companies cut corners again.

Workers facing financial hardships, having to work longer hours and more than one job tend to not be as careful in handling foods as they used to be. Toss in the housing boom and bust to help f**k them over even more.

Now, add in the explosive growth in the local population. Also add in the fact that recycling, pushed as a way to save our resources and decrease costs, naturally increased the price of goods as companies became aware that folks will buy stuff using recycled materials -- even if only 1% recycled material is used. So, they up the cost by 10%.

In this frantic mess, mistakes are going to be made and some folks will ignore safety to produce. Others will not care if some of their additives might be toxic. (Like the powdered baby formula from China.)

Plus, in comparison to most European Nations, the US is much bigger. That means, harder to regulate and keep an eye on.

If you think about it and take the time to look back through the historical records, you can determine that the major changes in food came around the late 70's, early 80's -- after the beef shortage, gas crisis and stock market melt down.

So came major changes in how employers treated their employees and a huge jump in overseas outsourcing. So did cuts to Government Watchdog programs that policed not only our food, but health care, banking and things like Truth In Advertising.

Hey! You folks let it happen. Stop biatching and reap your 'rewards'.
 
2013-02-21 12:59:38 PM  

LadyBelgara: EvilRacistNaziFascist: LadyBelgara: Mexico is free to take Arizona back at any time.  Take it.  PLEASE.

Is this a popular sentiment in Arizona, or do you have some other axe to grind? Is it because the residents of that state had the temerity to ask their federal government to enforce the existing immigration law? Just curious.

It's because I was stuck living there for 26 years and absolutely detest the place.  For the most part it's full of idiots, bigots, and an absolute trainwreck of a state government.  There are a few sane people left, but they're becoming increasingly more scarce.  The fact that it is now a retirement haven has thrown the entire state to hell in a handbasket.  The old people don't want to pay for anything they're not using - for example, education.  The result?  Teachers like my mother get screwed the fark over because the state won't pay them, keeps piling on additional tests, standards and requirements, yet provides funding for none of it.  Where does it come from?  Teachers' pockets, if they want to keep their jobs.  My mother is going to have to retire because it's becoming worse for her to work than it is to retire and start drawing a pension.  Seriously, what the fark?

Yeah, I guess you could say I have an axe to grind.


Sounds like Florida to me.
 
2013-02-21 04:06:03 PM  

Jacobin: I just stick with sausage.


Yeah, we kinda figured.
 
2013-02-21 04:19:50 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: Egalitarian: ehh I'm not too appalled at the thought of eating horse meat, but it sounds like the horse meat trade treats them rather poorly.

be nice to the animals I'm about to eat, dammit!

no.
protein is protein.
seriously


Then would you be content with soy instead?
 
2013-02-21 06:37:28 PM  

parahaps: Jon iz teh kewl: Egalitarian: ehh I'm not too appalled at the thought of eating horse meat, but it sounds like the horse meat trade treats them rather poorly.

be nice to the animals I'm about to eat, dammit!

no.
protein is protein.
seriously

Then would you be content with soy instead?


yeah except soy causes boob growage
and i'm a male
 
2013-02-21 11:52:48 PM  

LadyBelgara: demaL-demaL-yeH: LadyBelgara: Yeah, I guess you could say I have an axe to grind.

That, and it's Rodeo Week, er, Fiesta de los Vaqueros.

/It snowed today.
//Really.
///We miss you: Come home and drive away some of the $%^&ing snowbirds.

Holy crap, it snowed in Tucson?  Has it already been seven years since the last snow?  Driving must have been buckets of fun...


No. The kidettes and I had a snowball fight in the front yard and made snow critters in the back yard (north side of house) early in 2009.
The road wasn't frozen yet when I stopped driving for the day.
 
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