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(Think Progress)   Fantasy: Well, thank goodness we Americans are safe from that whole horsemeat scandal. Reality: Our beef is way more disgusting than any European meat, horse or otherwise   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 216
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2013-02-21 01:28:05 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: LadyBelgara: Yeah, I guess you could say I have an axe to grind.

That, and it's Rodeo Week, er, Fiesta de los Vaqueros.

/It snowed today.
//Really.
///We miss you: Come home and drive away some of the $%^&ing snowbirds.


Holy crap, it snowed in Tucson?  Has it already been seven years since the last snow?  Driving must have been buckets of fun...
 
2013-02-21 04:15:29 AM

OscarTamerz: It's incredibly easy to sterilize meat with gamma rays which is how many things from spices  to drugs to medical supplies are sterilized.  The whackos stop this from being done because it's scary radiation and the deaths from food infections exceed gun murders every year.  And just so the vegans don't feel smug the food borne infections from fruits and vegetables exceed the food borne infections from meat every year too.  Better fry up that salad if you want it to be actually healthy.


I have known folks with gamma ray access who regularly irradiate their produce. It's fine. Apparently *great* esp for shelf life of berries. However I don't trust the current FDA, USDA, OSHA, whatever to make sure slaughter house workers can manage it safety when those probably same workers aren't safe in their slaughter house day to day work.
 
2013-02-21 04:28:10 AM

Tax Boy: I can go to the grocery store at 8pm on Sunday.


So can I, so what?
 
2013-02-21 05:52:27 AM
They can have my horse meat when they pry it from my cold, dead hands. Uh, wait...
 
2013-02-21 06:19:50 AM

doglover: fark off, subby. Horse is good. Eurpope's just uptight.


They eat horse all over Europe, intentionally.
 
2013-02-21 06:28:46 AM
Whoever wrote the article is either an idiot or simply engaging in silly propaganda.  The EFSA numbers only include illnesses from identifiable outbreaks.  The CDC numbers are gross i.e. include people cooking at home who don't know how to clean a cutting board.  There's a world of difference and anyone who thinks there's only 45K food related illnesses in the EU yearly is a complete moron.  There were over 50 deaths in just one country from just one outbreak last year.  Also the EFSA admits its estimates are probably extremely conservative, particularly with regard to Eastern European countries.

Fact is the EU and the US both are places with reasonably safe food supplies compared to the developing world.  Use basic hygiene in the kitchen and your risks remain pretty low.
 
2013-02-21 06:35:13 AM

Egalitarian: ehh I'm not too appalled at the thought of eating horse meat, but it sounds like the horse meat trade treats them rather poorly.

be nice to the animals I'm about to eat, dammit!


no.
protein is protein.
seriously
 
PRS
2013-02-21 07:05:51 AM

pdieten: This reminds me. Freezer is getting empty, time to hit up the country butcher for a new quarter of beef. Local beef raised the old fashioned way. Half a year's supply for less than buying at the grocery store and will fit in the freezer compartment of my basement beer fridge. It's the only way to eat.


I do that too, but I find that freezing meat degrades quality. More specifically, the fairly slow freezing process at -18°C causes the meat to lose a lot of juice when thawed, rendering my steaks kind of dry. Supposedly, freezing it at lower temperatures (say, -40°C) would prevent this, but that's not an option for me.
 
2013-02-21 07:14:40 AM

PRS: pdieten: This reminds me. Freezer is getting empty, time to hit up the country butcher for a new quarter of beef. Local beef raised the old fashioned way. Half a year's supply for less than buying at the grocery store and will fit in the freezer compartment of my basement beer fridge. It's the only way to eat.

I do that too, but I find that freezing meat degrades quality. More specifically, the fairly slow freezing process at -18°C causes the meat to lose a lot of juice when thawed, rendering my steaks kind of dry. Supposedly, freezing it at lower temperatures (say, -40°C) would prevent this, but that's not an option for me.


what if you tape a cheetah to her back
 
2013-02-21 07:55:32 AM
Also for subtard, 90% of all meat sold in Europe is factory farmed.  In terms of beef, 60% of EU production originates from dairy farms i.e. old dairy cows. No thanks.   American and Argentinian beef are expensive luxury products (I paid €40 per kg for American ribeyes yesterday and they were awesome). In some countries the beef in supermarkets is just simply shiate (Germany, Holland, I'm looking at you).  Ireland and some parts of the UK produce really good beef.  The French are proud of their Charolais but I've seen the things chained to their stalls in a massive barns and frankly I'm underwhelmed by the flavor.


Generally in Europe you have a North-South divide where animals up North tend to get more grass and pasturing whereas animals in Southern Europe get more silage and grains.  Most European beef is grass finished but not nearly to the extent of US feedlot cattle.
 
2013-02-21 11:30:22 AM
It's real easy to criticize the US meat industry, but since the early 70's the demand for beef has more than doubled, in part thanks to Americans loving fast food and 'supersizing' portions. Then toss in greed for profits.

A beef shortage just before the Gas Crisis drove the cost of beef sky high. The shortage ended after about a year, but retailers, having discovered that folks would still pay high prices for beef, kept the prices high. More profit.

After the gas crisis, retailers had dozens of excuses as to why the cost of oil affected the cost of meat. People turned towards cheaper alternatives to beef, such as pork and fish. The diet and health craze soon pushed the price of seafood to historic highs. Pork quadrupled in price nearly over night as 'the other white meat'.

The slaughterhouses and meat packing plants were working overtime to meet the demand, which led to short cuts being taken in the preparation.

Enter the 'new' era of recycling. Toss an animal in one end of a slaughter house and product came out the other end, as even the scraps became valuable. Previously discarded parts suddenly had a market. Chunks of fat were recycled into oils for assorted industrial uses and bio-diesel. Neural tissue -- spinal cords, brains and such, started winding up in ground beef.

Even things like the pituitary and thyroid glands were added -- until the hormones started affecting people and then the practice was stopped. Along came the process of converting scrap meat into animal protein to be added to the feed for herbivores. It helped bulk them up faster and was usually made from the solids scraped from rendering tanks.

Then, higher quality cuts started going into pet foods.

I think about the only thing not used from a cow is the horns these days. Parts not used from poultry is now used for mulch. Previously, meat of any form was never added to compost.

The oil crisis encouraged the importation of cheaper meat and vegetable products from foreign nations, many of which had fewer processing health concerns. (China tended to send over product raised in soil fertilized with human sewage.)

Companies found more creative ways to make higher profits as the Yuppie fueled stock market demanded greater yields from investments in a shorter time. In poultry, a chicken became more valuable if broken up into parts, injected with 'broth' or sugar water to increase flavor.

At the same time, fast food places increased their demand for chicken. Deals made with nations like China, which prefers the dark meat over white, assured us that boat loads of chicken breasts, often questionably handled, fed the need.

The USDA, in the 70's, due to the shortage, was forced to reset the meat grading processes. Grade B meats became Grade A and grade C became grade B. (Whatever happened to the actual Grade A, I don't know.) However, it allowed for much more importation of meat from other nations. Veal and lamp started flowing in from Australia and New Zealand. Slaughtered, packaged and frozen, it arrived in the US to be defrosted, repackaged and refrozen and sold in stores.

In the 80's, political pressure pulled the teeth from much of the USDA. Budget cuts reduced the amount of food inspectors. Major companies were happy. The 'Organic' craze appeared and increased the cost of assorted foods right across the board.

Again, the American consumer sought cheaper products.

Consider also that farmland was being bought up for development, reducing the amount of desired space. Major farming corporations started pushing out small farmers and controlling the price. The explosive increase in the cost of diesel fuel wiped out many independent truckers who transport goods across the nation and also increased the cost of food.

To maximize profits, many companies handling food cut corners. Things like meat glue and pink slime appeared. So did caged farming. (More product could be raised faster in less space at less expense.)

Toss in the unexpected and absolutely stupid snatching of a huge chunk of the corn crop, which has been a cheap, healthy additive/filler in foods and feeds for years, to produce ethanol fuels, and the cost goes up again.

Companies cut corners again.

Workers facing financial hardships, having to work longer hours and more than one job tend to not be as careful in handling foods as they used to be. Toss in the housing boom and bust to help f**k them over even more.

Now, add in the explosive growth in the local population. Also add in the fact that recycling, pushed as a way to save our resources and decrease costs, naturally increased the price of goods as companies became aware that folks will buy stuff using recycled materials -- even if only 1% recycled material is used. So, they up the cost by 10%.

In this frantic mess, mistakes are going to be made and some folks will ignore safety to produce. Others will not care if some of their additives might be toxic. (Like the powdered baby formula from China.)

Plus, in comparison to most European Nations, the US is much bigger. That means, harder to regulate and keep an eye on.

If you think about it and take the time to look back through the historical records, you can determine that the major changes in food came around the late 70's, early 80's -- after the beef shortage, gas crisis and stock market melt down.

So came major changes in how employers treated their employees and a huge jump in overseas outsourcing. So did cuts to Government Watchdog programs that policed not only our food, but health care, banking and things like Truth In Advertising.

Hey! You folks let it happen. Stop biatching and reap your 'rewards'.
 
2013-02-21 12:59:38 PM

LadyBelgara: EvilRacistNaziFascist: LadyBelgara: Mexico is free to take Arizona back at any time.  Take it.  PLEASE.

Is this a popular sentiment in Arizona, or do you have some other axe to grind? Is it because the residents of that state had the temerity to ask their federal government to enforce the existing immigration law? Just curious.

It's because I was stuck living there for 26 years and absolutely detest the place.  For the most part it's full of idiots, bigots, and an absolute trainwreck of a state government.  There are a few sane people left, but they're becoming increasingly more scarce.  The fact that it is now a retirement haven has thrown the entire state to hell in a handbasket.  The old people don't want to pay for anything they're not using - for example, education.  The result?  Teachers like my mother get screwed the fark over because the state won't pay them, keeps piling on additional tests, standards and requirements, yet provides funding for none of it.  Where does it come from?  Teachers' pockets, if they want to keep their jobs.  My mother is going to have to retire because it's becoming worse for her to work than it is to retire and start drawing a pension.  Seriously, what the fark?

Yeah, I guess you could say I have an axe to grind.


Sounds like Florida to me.
 
2013-02-21 04:06:03 PM

Jacobin: I just stick with sausage.


Yeah, we kinda figured.
 
2013-02-21 04:19:50 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: Egalitarian: ehh I'm not too appalled at the thought of eating horse meat, but it sounds like the horse meat trade treats them rather poorly.

be nice to the animals I'm about to eat, dammit!

no.
protein is protein.
seriously


Then would you be content with soy instead?
 
2013-02-21 06:37:28 PM

parahaps: Jon iz teh kewl: Egalitarian: ehh I'm not too appalled at the thought of eating horse meat, but it sounds like the horse meat trade treats them rather poorly.

be nice to the animals I'm about to eat, dammit!

no.
protein is protein.
seriously

Then would you be content with soy instead?


yeah except soy causes boob growage
and i'm a male
 
2013-02-21 11:52:48 PM

LadyBelgara: demaL-demaL-yeH: LadyBelgara: Yeah, I guess you could say I have an axe to grind.

That, and it's Rodeo Week, er, Fiesta de los Vaqueros.

/It snowed today.
//Really.
///We miss you: Come home and drive away some of the $%^&ing snowbirds.

Holy crap, it snowed in Tucson?  Has it already been seven years since the last snow?  Driving must have been buckets of fun...


No. The kidettes and I had a snowball fight in the front yard and made snow critters in the back yard (north side of house) early in 2009.
The road wasn't frozen yet when I stopped driving for the day.
 
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