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(Think Progress)   Fantasy: Well, thank goodness we Americans are safe from that whole horsemeat scandal. Reality: Our beef is way more disgusting than any European meat, horse or otherwise   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 216
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2013-02-20 08:14:48 PM

jigger: Don't worry the government will protect us from this.

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Well, not after Bush cut it to the bone and started firing inspectors for doing their damn jobs.  You are such a tool.

Conservative agenda: cut a protective agency to the bone, point out how horrible it is at its job, do away with agency.

I hope you get e-coli.
 
2013-02-20 08:16:49 PM

Cerebral Knievel: Shadi: blatz514: Meat?

Someone should try deep frying pink slime...

What do you think a chicken anything at any fast food joint is?

Here in Virginia, horse is big business. Part of that business was of course sending off the horses off to the butcher to the foreign market. Then they made a regulation that said you couldn't send the horsies to the butcher or rendering plant..

Okay fine... so now they ship the horses to Mexico to be butchered or rendered. All the regulations managed to do was ship jobs over the boarder.

Because horseies are cute and magical!

I personally could care less about horses, and I've eaten horse meat and quite enjoyed it. But, it isn't beef, which was bred for eons to be as tasty as it is. I will take a cut of beef over the same cut of horse any day of the week. But a good chunk of this states GDP has been compromised because you can no longer raise mutt horse as butcher able livestock. But at the same point, the practice hasn't stopped, so the regulations haven't worked.

And overall.. all this is a big deal about nothing. If you are buying cheap ass ground meat for your mass produced product, deal with what you get. Horsemeat in the mix seems to me a first world problem.
I meen really! What do you think happens to all those ponies all those little girls wish for when the families can no longer afford the stabling and feed? They get turned into glue, biodesiel and taco bell meat


This is complete bullshiat.
 
2013-02-20 08:18:32 PM

dr_blasto: This is complete bullshiat.


I'm sure there's a little of that in your burger, too.
 
2013-02-20 08:22:17 PM
At least it tastes better.
 
2013-02-20 08:24:00 PM

Pockafrusta: jigger: Don't worry the government will protect us from this.

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My uncle is an inspector for that agency... You don't want to know what he finds on a bad day.

/which is why we buy 1/4 Steer from trusted friends AND a trusted butcher every year.


We raise beef cattle and have an Mennonite butcher the calves and sell them to friends and family. Our waiting list is currently right at one year so we are trying to decide if we should up our kill this year or not. It is kind of a pain when we have to pick it up at the butcher and then move it to the freezers until we can distribute it all but everyone loves it and we are making a lot more money than before when we just sold the calves at auction. Now to figure out some way to use the hides and I could up my yield by a few more percent...I think.
 
2013-02-20 08:27:34 PM
Man, now I want a burger.

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2013-02-20 08:30:48 PM

freewill: it was like waking up to a slice of an angel on my plate.


reske.us
 
2013-02-20 08:31:49 PM

Wild Eyed and Wicked: Pockafrusta: jigger: Don't worry the government will protect us from this.

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My uncle is an inspector for that agency... You don't want to know what he finds on a bad day.

/which is why we buy 1/4 Steer from trusted friends AND a trusted butcher every year.

We raise beef cattle and have an Mennonite butcher the calves and sell them to friends and family. Our waiting list is currently right at one year so we are trying to decide if we should up our kill this year or not. It is kind of a pain when we have to pick it up at the butcher and then move it to the freezers until we can distribute it all but everyone loves it and we are making a lot more money than before when we just sold the calves at auction. Now to figure out some way to use the hides and I could up my yield by a few more percent...I think.


Two words:

Leather Tanner.

The four words before that:

Sell them to a
 
2013-02-20 08:33:05 PM
I've almost completely sworn off ground beef.  All it takes is to start frying up a lb of it and smelling what is undeniably the odor of fecal matter and then trying to convince myself that its not going to taste like shiat after I add other parts of whatever it is I'm concocting.

I've switched to ground turkey, healthier, better tasting and smelling and actually a lot cheaper.
 
2013-02-20 08:33:18 PM
I hope they allow the horse to cure and hang like well-aged beefy beef
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2013-02-20 08:37:37 PM

AcesFull: Propain_az: Why is America such a horrible place?  Why are Americans such horrible people?

Manifest Douchetiny


Yes, we're horrible people. Please stay the fark away from us. You can even get contaminated by taking money from us, reading our web sites, watching our movies and listening to our music.
 
2013-02-20 08:38:05 PM

iheartscotch: Wild Eyed and Wicked: Pockafrusta: jigger: Don't worry the government will protect us from this.

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My uncle is an inspector for that agency... You don't want to know what he finds on a bad day.

/which is why we buy 1/4 Steer from trusted friends AND a trusted butcher every year.

We raise beef cattle and have an Mennonite butcher the calves and sell them to friends and family. Our waiting list is currently right at one year so we are trying to decide if we should up our kill this year or not. It is kind of a pain when we have to pick it up at the butcher and then move it to the freezers until we can distribute it all but everyone loves it and we are making a lot more money than before when we just sold the calves at auction. Now to figure out some way to use the hides and I could up my yield by a few more percent...I think.

Two words:

Leather Tanner.

The four words before that:

Sell them to a


My problem is that I can't find one local but maybe I should find the closest one and call and see what is involved...I looked into trying to learn it myself but it looks pretty expensive to get setup. The butcher charges more to cut the hide to use so I I need to be ready to go before I change my current processing order...
 
2013-02-20 08:45:14 PM
i like bison.  buffalo tacos are awesome. also nothing like home raised beef. you know exactly what goes into them, the last two we had were delicious. we don't eat our horses because our horses are our friends.
 
2013-02-20 08:48:30 PM

Wild Eyed and Wicked: iheartscotch: Wild Eyed and Wicked: Pockafrusta: jigger: Don't worry the government will protect us from this.

[twimg0-a.akamaihd.net image 250x250]

My uncle is an inspector for that agency... You don't want to know what he finds on a bad day.

/which is why we buy 1/4 Steer from trusted friends AND a trusted butcher every year.

We raise beef cattle and have an Mennonite butcher the calves and sell them to friends and family. Our waiting list is currently right at one year so we are trying to decide if we should up our kill this year or not. It is kind of a pain when we have to pick it up at the butcher and then move it to the freezers until we can distribute it all but everyone loves it and we are making a lot more money than before when we just sold the calves at auction. Now to figure out some way to use the hides and I could up my yield by a few more percent...I think.

Two words:

Leather Tanner.

The four words before that:

Sell them to a

My problem is that I can't find one local but maybe I should find the closest one and call and see what is involved...I looked into trying to learn it myself but it looks pretty expensive to get setup. The butcher charges more to cut the hide to use so I I need to be ready to go before I change my current processing order...


Those Mennonite characters are pretty crafty; I'm surprised not one of them had a use for hides.

Anyway; it's pretty cost prohibitive to set up a tannery. I suppose you could put it about that cow hides help with aging, or make your thing bigger. If that doesn't do it; I don't know what would.
 
2013-02-20 08:50:02 PM
The most disgusting part of the article was "The average American consumes 270 lbs of meat a year."

That is .74 lb a day. 11.8 ounces. Maybe I just can't eating that much because I am small and female, but does that seem normal to you guys? Three quarter pounders a day? I mean half of americans are female and some are children.

Now maybe that is skewed because it includes the meat we waste and we aren't disgusting fat pigs?

/Also I work in wastewater and it is #*@(ing disgusting that fruit/vegetable farms are contaminated by their wastewater runoff.
//Also, don't get me wrong I love horses, but making it illegal to slaughter them does NOT help them. It means that people who can't feed their old/unsellable horse just let them starve instead of having them humanely slaughtered. Or unwanted sick/old/dying horses are shipped to mexico to work as cart horses. awesome. there is nothing that makes horse meat different from any other meat.
 
2013-02-20 09:03:31 PM
Is this the part where we raise taxes again ?
 
2013-02-20 09:05:01 PM

spidermilk: there is nothing that makes horse meat different from any other meat.


or dog, or cat... rat, for that matter, isn't really much different than rabbit if you think about it.  I've heard it makes a pretty good burger, actually.
 
2013-02-20 09:11:24 PM

Lucidz: TBH, there aren't a lot of "healthy" meals that are based around ground beef so I try to avoid it anyways. (Having an unhealthy meal with ground beef for dinner tonight, heh, irony)


I guess you could say there aren't a "lot" of healthy meals with ground beef, so I'll agree with you there. But ground beef itself, especially if you drain the fat while you're cooking it, is really healthy. It's not that different (again, cooked and drained) from grilled chicken. Look at the nutritional content on your beef, weigh it before and after cooking, and assume that at least half of the lost weight was fat (maybe some is water evaporation, etc).  Have your burger with healthy veggies and you've got a good meal there.
 
2013-02-20 09:13:53 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Taste-wise, American beef is superior to European beef. Maybe it's the contaminants. So be it.


Oddly, this.  The last several cruises I've been on (5-6* lines none of this carnival level junk) the Europeans consumed mass amounts of beef (especially the Dutch).  When I asked why they all said the beef in their countries  sucked.  The cruise lines were all using USDA approved meat.
 
2013-02-20 09:16:32 PM
dr_blasto:

This is complete bullshiat.

the pink slime "mechanically separated chicken part? or the horses being raised as live stock to be butchered as meat for overseas markets thing? or was it the neglected pony that was sold off and turned into soap?

you gotta be specific, so I can send the particular citation you are looking for
 
2013-02-20 09:18:14 PM

Matthew Keene: dr_blasto: This is complete bullshiat.

I'm sure there's a little of that in your burger, too.


I was only referencing his sentence that included "taco bell meat" as we all know there's no meat in Taco Bell "food."
 
2013-02-20 09:27:17 PM

AlHarris31: miniflea: It has always seemed to me that if you wanted to design an apparatus for creating virulent, antibiotic resistant diseases, large scale factory farming would be a good way to go about it.

Its already happening.  Chickens, pigs, and cows are feed antibiotics in their feed.  It makes them bigger (possibly by killing "good" gut bacteria that may be taking some of the energy from food the animals eat).  Of course, Samonella typhimurium and other nasty bugs develop antibiotic resistance due to being bathed in them all day.  BTW we have known about this for a long time, but it would put a dent in agro business profits so guess what happens?  Nothing.

Salmonella with one or more antibiotic resistances is up to maybe half of all strains looked at in the wild.


Antibiotics are given to animals because it is cheaper to dose the whole herd, flock, or litter then to lose a cow, a pig or two, or a dozen chickens.

Economics are the driving force. Economics being a technical term for money.
 
2013-02-20 09:28:46 PM

dr_blasto: Matthew Keene: dr_blasto: This is complete bullshiat.

I'm sure there's a little of that in your burger, too.

I was only referencing his sentence that included "taco bell meat" as we all know there's no meat in Taco Bell "food."


I never mentioned Taco Bell Specifically, nor any other brand

:P
 
2013-02-20 09:33:08 PM

LikeALeafOnTheWind: i like bison.  buffalo tacos are awesome. also nothing like home raised beef. you know exactly what goes into them, the last two we had were delicious. we don't eat our horses because our horses are our friends.


Make no mistake. If given the chance, those horses would slaughter and eat you and everyone you care about.
 
2013-02-20 09:37:56 PM

iaazathot: Conservative agenda: cut a protective agency to the bone, point out how horrible it is at its job, do away with agency.


Yes, the budget of the USDA has been cut so severely that they can barely scrape together the $200,000 needed for an anti- American "diversity training" seminar in which employees are required to chant "the pilgrims were illegal aliens" (wot, not undocumented?)

And by the way... who's been President for the past five years? Nah, whatever tainted meat is out there must all be Bush's fault.

I hope you get e-coli.

Such pleasant people on the Left... as ever.
 
2013-02-20 09:38:20 PM
www.ljbc.wa.edu.au

" ... trail of ignorance and corruption from the tangled red-tape of the medical community to the highest levels of the powerful meat industry. It is an eye-opening thriller..."
 
2013-02-20 09:41:34 PM
ITT: lots of farkers arguing for the status quo

kinda like most threads that challenge farkers' world views
 
2013-02-20 09:49:21 PM

Propain_az: Why is America such a horrible place?  Why are Americans such horrible people?


Only our inferiors feel that way.

We are the popular girls of this high school called life.
 
2013-02-20 09:51:16 PM
AI find these threads depressing.  The amount of folks that have lost touch with their food chain is really telling. If you don't want your burger smelling like shiat or wood, maybe you should have butchered and cut it up yourself.  It is not that hard if you are willing to put in a little bit of effort.

A phone call to a local rancher, a .22 LR bullet, a sharp knife, a meat grinder and the ability to get it cut up and in a freezer is about all that is required.

I don't eat much beef since my freezer is stocked full of elk and deer at the moment, but when I do, you can bet that it does not come from the supermarket.
 
2013-02-20 09:53:13 PM

HeadLever: AI find these threads depressing.  The amount of folks that have lost touch with their food chain is really telling. If you don't want your burger smelling like shiat or wood, maybe you should have butchered and cut it up yourself.  It is not that hard if you are willing to put in a little bit of effort.

A phone call to a local rancher, a .22 LR bullet, a sharp knife, a meat grinder and the ability to get it cut up and in a freezer is about all that is required.

I don't eat much beef since my freezer is stocked full of elk and deer at the moment, but when I do, you can bet that it does not come from the supermarket.


friggen hipster!
 
2013-02-20 09:54:10 PM

Propain_az: Why is America such a horrible place?  Why are Americans such horrible people?


It isn't, and they aren't. That you believe this is the case stems from your parochialism and a lack of knowledge about the flaws of other countries, not to mention an ignorance of the very many horrible places and peoples that have existed all over the world since the dawn of time. There is a reason why millions of people want to move to your nation, and it isn't because their desired destination is some kind of hell on earth.
 
2013-02-20 09:56:14 PM

Cerebral Knievel: HeadLever:  I don't eat much beef since my freezer is stocked full of elk and deer at the moment, but when I do, you can bet that it does not come from the supermarket.

friggen hipster!


I too like to hunt, but only animals you've never heard of.

/oh OK, I like to hunt haggis. But don't tell everyone about it or it'll be ruined
 
2013-02-20 09:57:20 PM
People
Eating
Tasty
Animals

HARR HARR HARR!!!!
 
2013-02-20 09:57:51 PM

Surpheon: OscarTamerz: It's incredibly easy to sterilize meat with gamma rays which is how many things from spices  to drugs to medical supplies are sterilized.  The whackos stop this from being done...

You should move to the US. Millions of pounds of gamma treated beef is sold in the US every year. Look for the symbol (at stores - restaurants don't need to display the symbol).

"Today Americans are consuming about 18 million pounds of irradiated red meat per year, and experiencing a rapidly growing demand to over 35 million pounds of fresh irradiated produce", according to Ron Eustice the former Executive Director of the Minnesota Beef Council. "


" have no idea how radiation works, so I will panic instead of educating myself"
 
2013-02-20 10:01:18 PM
I like how they try to blame runoff for the ecoli on just random industrial farm runoff rather than say one bad word about workers that are imported because americans ask for a livable wage. these people are completely full of shiat.

you get ecoli from the vegetables from the farm workers, not from run off from the random pig farm.
http://www.ecolilawyer.com/

Public Health Agency of Canada
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/fs-sa/fs-fi/ecoli-eng.php

/still the owners fault. they should have mandatory breaks and portopotties and hand sanitation stations.
 
2013-02-20 10:09:34 PM

relcec: I like how they try to blame runoff for the ecoli on just random industrial farm runoff rather than say one bad word about workers that are imported because americans ask for a livable wage. these people are completely full of shiat.


You lazy gringo bastard, if you were only willing to work for a bowl of rice and beans every day and sleep eight to a bedroom we wouldn't have to import people from Mexico whose culture and values are more vibrant than yours (and who rightfully own your house and land anyway, if you live in the Southwest).

P.S. Remember to vote for the Democratic Party -- it's the working man's friend!
 
2013-02-20 10:12:58 PM

Cerebral Knievel: friggen hipster!


Ha, more redneck than anything.  It is pretty funny when you have the hipsters now following the lifestyle of us rednecks and hillbillies.
 
2013-02-20 10:16:43 PM

Beta Tested: AverageAmericanGuy: Taste-wise, American beef is superior to European beef. Maybe it's the contaminants. So be it.

Yea, no.  European beef is highly regional, and can vary quite a bit from country to country and even farm to farm within a country.  Cattle ranching isn't nearly as industrialized here.  Norwegian beef for example is all grass fed and raised on small farms.  It is amazing, I refuse to eat anything else while I am here.  I think Norwegian beef is the only one that Japan will import (that is something I heard though and can't find confirmation).


I see Australian beef in the supermarket here a lot.  Beef is also stupid expensive because it's either imported or was insanely expensive to produce here, so I don't buy it.
 
2013-02-20 10:18:27 PM

spidermilk: The most disgusting part of the article was "The average American consumes 270 lbs of meat a year."

That is .74 lb a day. 11.8 ounces.


That is just under 4 oz per meal.  Probably a little more than I eat, but we (family) kill, butcher and process about 300 pounds of meat and fish per year.  We do buy a little bit of pork and chicken from the stores, but this is a pretty small portion of our diet.

/used to raise chickens as well.  Not. Worth. It.
 
2013-02-20 10:18:43 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: relcec: I like how they try to blame runoff for the ecoli on just random industrial farm runoff rather than say one bad word about workers that are imported because americans ask for a livable wage. these people are completely full of shiat.

You lazy gringo bastard, if you were only willing to work for a bowl of rice and beans every day and sleep eight to a bedroom we wouldn't have to import people from Mexico whose culture and values are more vibrant than yours (and who rightfully own your house and land anyway, if you live in the Southwest).


Mexico is free to take Arizona back at any time.  Take it.  PLEASE.
 
2013-02-20 10:23:59 PM

LadyBelgara: Mexico is free to take Arizona back at any time.  Take it.  PLEASE.


Is this a popular sentiment in Arizona, or do you have some other axe to grind? Is it because the residents of that state had the temerity to ask their federal government to enforce the existing immigration law? Just curious.
 
2013-02-20 10:32:42 PM
ehh I'm not too appalled at the thought of eating horse meat, but it sounds like the horse meat trade treats them rather poorly.

be nice to the animals I'm about to eat, dammit!
 
2013-02-20 10:33:51 PM

Marcus Aurelius: There is only one good way to obtain ground beef in America.

1. Start with a beef shoulder, chuck, sirloin, rib, or other cut
2. Run it through your meat grinder twice.
3. Bleach meat grinder when finished.

That's it.


Why would you grind it twice?
 
2013-02-20 10:35:29 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: LadyBelgara: Mexico is free to take Arizona back at any time.  Take it.  PLEASE.

Is this a popular sentiment in Arizona, or do you have some other axe to grind? Is it because the residents of that state had the temerity to ask their federal government to enforce the existing immigration law? Just curious.


It's because I was stuck living there for 26 years and absolutely detest the place.  For the most part it's full of idiots, bigots, and an absolute trainwreck of a state government.  There are a few sane people left, but they're becoming increasingly more scarce.  The fact that it is now a retirement haven has thrown the entire state to hell in a handbasket.  The old people don't want to pay for anything they're not using - for example, education.  The result?  Teachers like my mother get screwed the fark over because the state won't pay them, keeps piling on additional tests, standards and requirements, yet provides funding for none of it.  Where does it come from?  Teachers' pockets, if they want to keep their jobs.  My mother is going to have to retire because it's becoming worse for her to work than it is to retire and start drawing a pension.  Seriously, what the fark?

Yeah, I guess you could say I have an axe to grind.
 
2013-02-20 10:45:35 PM

inclemency: Why would you grind it twice?


More consistent texture to the meat and it also distriubtes the added suet/fat better
 
2013-02-20 10:46:25 PM

LadyBelgara: The old people don't want to pay for anything they're not using - for example, education. The result? Teachers like my mother get screwed the fark over because the state won't pay them, keeps piling on additional tests, standards and requirements, yet provides funding for none of it.


To be fair, though, increased expenditure on education is in itself no guarantee of increased quality of education; despite massive overall increases in education spending in many countries over the past few decades, test scores and academic achievements have mostly remained stagnant. It sounds as if the problem isn't with lack of funding so much as it is with a managerial culture of bureaucrats, administrators, and politicians who continually need to justify their existence by continually devising new and increasingly arcane standards for teachers to live up to, depending on the fashions of the moment. Most parents just want to see their children proficient in the basics necessary for navigating everyday life in a civilized society, and usually they don't get even that.
 
2013-02-20 10:53:20 PM

JDJoeE: AverageAmericanGuy: Taste-wise, American beef is superior to European beef. Maybe it's the contaminants. So be it.

Oddly, this.  The last several cruises I've been on (5-6* lines none of this carnival level junk) the Europeans consumed mass amounts of beef (especially the Dutch).  When I asked why they all said the beef in their countries  sucked.  The cruise lines were all using USDA approved meat.


"A supposedly fun thing that I'll never do again" is a great essay by David Foster Wallace you might enjoy.
 
2013-02-20 11:10:09 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: LadyBelgara: The old people don't want to pay for anything they're not using - for example, education. The result? Teachers like my mother get screwed the fark over because the state won't pay them, keeps piling on additional tests, standards and requirements, yet provides funding for none of it.

To be fair, though, increased expenditure on education is in itself no guarantee of increased quality of education; despite massive overall increases in education spending in many countries over the past few decades, test scores and academic achievements have mostly remained stagnant. It sounds as if the problem isn't with lack of funding so much as it is with a managerial culture of bureaucrats, administrators, and politicians who continually need to justify their existence by continually devising new and increasingly arcane standards for teachers to live up to, depending on the fashions of the moment. Most parents just want to see their children proficient in the basics necessary for navigating everyday life in a civilized society, and usually they don't get even that.


It is not, but when you do not provide any funding for the materials needed for these additional requirements, you are already setting yourselves up for failure.  It also doesn't help that you're not paying people enough to attract them to the profession - and Arizona is pretty much the worst in the country.  My mother is now taking home less money than she did when she started teaching in the 70s.

Also, seeing the children that have been coming into schools over the years, it is increasingly the fault of the parents that want the schools to take over the job of parenting for them, yet are angry when laws bar the schools from doing just that.  Behavioral problems have gone through the roof.

This is not to say that there are not bad teachers; there certainly are.  But there are societal problems going on far beyond the scope of school that are contributing to academic failure.
 
2013-02-21 12:02:21 AM
Americans are 8 times more likely to get food poisoning than Europeans.

Why? Because of lax campaign contribution laws, payola, etc.
 
2013-02-21 12:12:04 AM

LadyBelgara: Yeah, I guess you could say I have an axe to grind.


That, and it's Rodeo Week, er, Fiesta de los Vaqueros.

/It snowed today.
//Really.
///We miss you: Come home and drive away some of the $%^&ing snowbirds.
 
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