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(Think Progress)   Fantasy: Well, thank goodness we Americans are safe from that whole horsemeat scandal. Reality: Our beef is way more disgusting than any European meat, horse or otherwise   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 216
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2013-02-20 06:49:02 PM
Still don't get the issue with horsemeat. It's lean and delicious and billions of people worldwide have no issue eating it.
 
2013-02-20 06:50:08 PM
And remember boys and girls,  in some states you can even go to jail for exposing how disgusting it is.
MERICA!! FREDUM!!

Hypnozombie
 
2013-02-20 06:50:36 PM
Someone buys their meat at Wal-Mart
 
2013-02-20 06:51:08 PM

Beta Tested: AverageAmericanGuy: Taste-wise, American beef is superior to European beef. Maybe it's the contaminants. So be it.

Yea, no.  European beef is highly regional, and can vary quite a bit from country to country and even farm to farm within a country.  Cattle ranching isn't nearly as industrialized here.  Norwegian beef for example is all grass fed and raised on small farms.  It is amazing, I refuse to eat anything else while I am here.  I think Norwegian beef is the only one that Japan will import (that is something I heard though and can't find confirmation).


I found plenty of American and Aussie beef when I lived in Japan.  It was cheap and clearly lower-quality than the local stuff.  Locally produced beef was way expensive though.
 
2013-02-20 06:52:24 PM
Just remember, you can't spell slaughterhouse without laughter.
 
2013-02-20 06:52:30 PM

Beta Tested: I think Norwegian beef is the only one that Japan will import (that is something I heard though and can't find confirmation).


Um, no.  They import from Australia and the United States.  However, they do have more of a mind for quality, and in that debate, America has its proper place.  The four- and five-star steakhouses serve Japanese and Australian beef; the U.S. stuff is cheap junk food.
 
2013-02-20 06:53:27 PM

fusillade762: I think the problem is that horses aren't meant to be eaten in most cases and so they're often pumped full of drugs that aren't allowed in cattle.


I always figured it was that and that (as far as I know) since horse aren't generally considered food, they aren't checked by the regulatory administrations. A quick googling seems to say that only recently was the USDA allowed to test horse meat, and they don't have the budget to actually do it.
 
2013-02-20 06:54:08 PM

OscarTamerz: It's incredibly easy to sterilize meat with gamma rays which is how many things from spices  to drugs to medical supplies are sterilized.  The whackos stop this from being done because it's scary radiation and the deaths from food infections exceed gun murders every year.  And just so the vegans don't feel smug the food borne infections from fruits and vegetables exceed the food borne infections from meat every year too.  Better fry up that salad if you want it to be actually healthy.


FWIW, I haven't had food poisoning since I went full academy* (haven't been sick at all, come to think of it.) Where you do get problems is with commercial pre-sliced onion and tomato IIRC.  Those are brutal for contamination but a lot of the time that's from knife re-use.  Sprouts, too.  I don't eat sprouts because you just can't clean them.  And if you aren't washing your food before you prep it, you're asking for trouble, and that's just as true for lettuce and pork chops.

*The reason I stopped eating meat was due to the reduction in slaughterhouse regulation in 2000 and the noticable degradation in quality.
 
2013-02-20 06:55:03 PM
Sorry. Lost the quotation because of the links.

FTA:  According to Center for Disease Control estimates, 48 million Americans get sick, 128,000 are hospitalized, and 3,000 die from foodborne illnesses every year. In comparison, the entire European Union had roughly 45,000 illnesses and 32 deaths from contaminated food in 2008. That means foodborne illness strikes 15 percent of Americans each year, but only .00009 percent of Europeans.

Those are shocking numbers. I didn't expect such an enormous difference. 48,000,000 vs. 45,000 and 3,000 vs. 15. Really, really a national shame. And it's all because the corporations that control Big Agro-Industry in the USA and Canada are more shameless money whores than the Italian Mafia.

Time to march on Washington. Take really big pots and cooking fuel.
 
2013-02-20 06:55:07 PM

Nabb1: It is, but it's a lot cheaper here than in Europe.


You may want to investigate your food producers when Mexico refuses to accept American meat (as per article).

And you can get higher quality meat on a par with Europe as long as you find a butcher you trust.

And that's where the problem lies. How many people get their meat from a butcher? A butcher who can tell the customer from which animal their cut came from? The horse meat scandal could only happen when people put blind faith in corporations aiming to squeeze the last penny out of their profit margin.

mahuika: Nabb1: It is, but it's a lot cheaper here than in Europe.  And you can get higher quality meat on a par with Europe as long as you find a butcher you trust.

You know why it's cheaper, right? I'll give you a hint, it starts with a G and ends with an OVERNMENT HANDOUT


EU farmers get all sorts of silly subsidies from governments too. Based on the article and what I know of the US government, I'd say it's cheaper through poorer regulation.
 
2013-02-20 06:56:13 PM
It has always seemed to me that if you wanted to design an apparatus for creating virulent, antibiotic resistant diseases, large scale factory farming would be a good way to go about it.
 
2013-02-20 06:57:20 PM

doglover: fark off, subby. Horse is good. Eurpope's just uptight.


Eurpope prefers chickenhawk meat sausages.
 
2013-02-20 06:57:23 PM

OscarTamerz: It's incredibly easy to sterilize meat with gamma rays


What I'm interested in is the effect of gamma rays on man in the moon marigolds.
 
2013-02-20 06:57:43 PM
  Pardon me sir.....there appears to be a stirrup in my meatloaf...Have you got anything with just a couple of whip marks?
 
2013-02-20 06:59:15 PM
If there was one thing that I would think would get hardcore carnivores to oppose our food raising conditions it would be for a much much better product.

Best beef I had ever had was in Argentina.
 
2013-02-20 07:01:40 PM
This steak still has marks where the jockey was hitting it.

www.carlspackler.com
 
2013-02-20 07:02:53 PM

miniflea: It has always seemed to me that if you wanted to design an apparatus for creating virulent, antibiotic resistant diseases, large scale factory farming would be a good way to go about it.


Its already happening.  Chickens, pigs, and cows are feed antibiotics in their feed.  It makes them bigger (possibly by killing "good" gut bacteria that may be taking some of the energy from food the animals eat).  Of course, Samonella typhimurium and other nasty bugs develop antibiotic resistance due to being bathed in them all day.  BTW we have known about this for a long time, but it would put a dent in agro business profits so guess what happens?  Nothing.

Salmonella with one or more antibiotic resistances is up to maybe half of all strains looked at in the wild.
 
2013-02-20 07:03:29 PM

CreativeFarkHandle: I found plenty of American and Aussie beef when I lived in Japan.  It was cheap and clearly lower-quality than the local stuff.  Locally produced beef was way expensive though.


Thank you for the correction, I did find more information on Japan though when I stumbled across a rather complete PDF with just the information I was looking for:

"Countries under the LDC list are allowed duty-free, quota-free access for beef exports to Norway, but at present, no countries on that list  currently supply to Norway. A major factor for this is strict SPS regulations that govern animal health in the beef trade, particularly as concerns FMD. Countries that wish to export beef are required to be certified by the OIE (World Animal Health Organization) as being free of  FMD; specific, contiguous zones can also be specified as FMD-free as well. There is a further distinction on FMD status between those countries that vaccinate against FMD and those that do not. This distinction is made as tests for the presence of FMD typically do not distinguish between clinical FMD and those animals that have generated an immune response to the disease; some countries, notably Japan and Korea, use this as criteria to only accept meat from FMD-free without vaccination countries "

So, basically, Japan and Korea have really high restrictions on imported beef.  Further down I found that most of these imports come from Norway, Australia, New Zealand, and some south pacific island chain called Vanuatu.  I think what that means is that if the individual American beef passes those same restrictions it can be imported, but that may be on a case by case basis?  I don't know for sure

Warning, Link to PDF
 
2013-02-20 07:03:57 PM
Horse is a fine meat. I mean, obviously it isn't chicken fried rabbit; but, a fine meat none the less.

/ when I was a pup; I would often visit my maternal grandmother. She lived in the country. She served some interesting things; such as tongue, head cheese, chicken fried rabbit and other such things: all with a side of her world famous barbecue sauce. To this day; I think her barbecue sauce would make radioactive waste taste good.
 
2013-02-20 07:04:33 PM
For my fellow Canadians, I did a Google for Canadian stats. According to the Cdn Gov, there are an estimated 11,000,000 case of food-borne illness each year in Canada. That is twice as high as the US number but is an estimate so it may not mean that Canadian food safety is worse. On the other hand, it is definitely not better.

http://www.inspection.gc.ca/food/consumer-centre/food-safety-tips/fo od -poisoning/eng/1331151916451/1331152055552
 
2013-02-20 07:06:12 PM

Beta Tested: AverageAmericanGuy: Taste-wise, American beef is superior to European beef. Maybe it's the contaminants. So be it.

Yea, no.  European beef is highly regional, and can vary quite a bit from country to country and even farm to farm within a country.  Cattle ranching isn't nearly as industrialized here.  Norwegian beef for example is all grass fed and raised on small farms.  It is amazing, I refuse to eat anything else while I am here.  I think Norwegian beef is the only one that Japan will import (that is something I heard though and can't find confirmation).


I don't know about beef, but bacon just tasted better in Scotland. I don't know why. Every morning, every city, town, and village, highland, lowland, or island, it was like waking up to a slice of an angel on my plate.
 
2013-02-20 07:06:38 PM
not sure where subby buys/eats, but the steak in PA is excellent,  $700 - $800 sides, 330 - 350 lbs, less than $2.50/lb.  Can't afford or store a whole side, split one with a neighbor or two.
 
2013-02-20 07:07:33 PM

Lucidz: Uhhhhhh.  This article pisses me off to no end.  First off, of course meat is better in Europe, and it has nothing to do with cleanliness.  It has to do with diet.  Who cares if the cows live in shiat, so do pigs.  The stuff you eat is on the INSIDE of the animals people...

Also, most all foodborne ilnesses come from improper cooking.  It has nothing to do with the quality of the product.


You are totally right, there is absolutely no established correlation between pathogens and overcrowding/sanitation.  They are completely unrelated.

/Sarcasm
 
2013-02-20 07:10:17 PM

iheartscotch: chicken fried rabbit


We had chicken fried rabbit at the Fourth of July barbecue one year when I was a teenager.

Oh my God. So great.
 
2013-02-20 07:11:51 PM
I am sick with some horrible form of dysentery right now, so I can't eat, but this thread is really yummy sounding....
 
2013-02-20 07:11:56 PM

rev. dave: Please don't remind me of any of this.  It is not healthy for me to stop eating meat, in fact, it should be 85% of my diet to better lose weight.   I did not read the article or any comments because it does not take much to turn my stomach.  I have been known to stop eating meat for 2  or more years out of disgust.    Off to fry up some Johnson's mild Italian sausage to be served with habanero munster.


Find a reputable local butcher and you're not only good to go, you'll probably find that you enjoy eating what you get more.
 
2013-02-20 07:12:39 PM
Why is America such a horrible place?  Why are Americans such horrible people?
 
2013-02-20 07:12:59 PM

earthworm2.0: I am sick with some horrible form of dysentery right now, so I can't eat, but this thread is really yummy sounding....


well it was...
 
2013-02-20 07:13:17 PM

Matthew Keene: doglover: fark off, subby. Horse is good. Eurpope's just uptight.

Try serving Flicka in the USA and see what happens.


Well we have been eating Norman for quite a while (City Slickers) .....
 
2013-02-20 07:13:51 PM

dragonchild: Beta Tested: I think Norwegian beef is the only one that Japan will import (that is something I heard though and can't find confirmation).

Um, no.  They import from Australia and the United States.  However, they do have more of a mind for quality, and in that debate, America has its proper place.  The four- and five-star steakhouses serve Japanese and Australian beef; the U.S. stuff is cheap junk food.


Yes.  I should clarify that the cheap Aussie beef I found was at the supermarket.  Good Aussie beef could be found restaurants alongside Japanese beef.
 
2013-02-20 07:17:09 PM

piledhigheranddeeper: Journalistic crap.  They are equating the estimated number of hospital visits in Europe to the number of estimated upset-stomach  non-hospital events in the US.  The CDC and the European CDC likely has different standards for reporting food born illnesses.


citation needed
 
2013-02-20 07:17:22 PM
The fast-approaching sequester cuts will also eliminate roughly 600 food inspector positions at meat and poultry plants.

Meh, big deal, 600 fewer government employees getting kickbacks, I think we'll live.
 
2013-02-20 07:18:51 PM

cptrios: Still don't get the issue with horsemeat. It's lean and delicious and billions of people worldwide have no issue eating it.


Because they weren't labeling it properly and trying to pass it off as beef.  That's called fraud.
 
2013-02-20 07:18:53 PM

freewill: iheartscotch: chicken fried rabbit

We had chicken fried rabbit at the Fourth of July barbecue one year when I was a teenager.

Oh my God. So great.


Yes; my grandparents raised meat rabbits from the 30's well into the early 90's. Chicken fried rabbit, rabbit stew and rabbit pot pie were family favorites.

I'd do it too; but, cultivating eatin' rabbits is frowned upon nowadays
 
Xai
2013-02-20 07:21:14 PM
I think that what people in the US needs is simply accurate labeling. Put how much pink slime is in your food etc.
 
2013-02-20 07:21:42 PM
That's why I only eat beef that once had a name.

Poor Fred. He was tasty.
 
2013-02-20 07:22:07 PM

iheartscotch: freewill: iheartscotch: chicken fried rabbit

We had chicken fried rabbit at the Fourth of July barbecue one year when I was a teenager.

Oh my God. So great.

Yes; my grandparents raised meat rabbits from the 30's well into the early 90's. Chicken fried rabbit, rabbit stew and rabbit pot pie were family favorites.

I'd do it too; but, cultivating eatin' rabbits is frowned upon nowadays


Really?  I didn't know that, but I have a soft spot for the things so I don't think I could eat ones I raised.  The only way I get them is if someone I know kills one in the wild or I buy them at the local market.  Much like duck, I really prefer the wild variety.
 
2013-02-20 07:22:10 PM

Phony_Soldier: No, only raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans will solve this problem.


That can't be right. That sounds like common sense..... common sense is never the right thing to do.
 
2013-02-20 07:23:34 PM

theMagni: OscarTamerz: It's incredibly easy to sterilize meat with gamma rays which is how many things from spices  to drugs to medical supplies are sterilized.  The whackos stop this from being done because it's scary radiation and the deaths from food infections exceed gun murders every year.  And just so the vegans don't feel smug the food borne infections from fruits and vegetables exceed the food borne infections from meat every year too.  Better fry up that salad if you want it to be actually healthy.

FWIW, I haven't had food poisoning since I went full academy* (haven't been sick at all, come to think of it.) Where you do get problems is with commercial pre-sliced onion and tomato IIRC.  Those are brutal for contamination but a lot of the time that's from knife re-use.  Sprouts, too.  I don't eat sprouts because you just can't clean them.  And if you aren't washing your food before you prep it, you're asking for trouble, and that's just as true for lettuce and pork chops.

*The reason I stopped eating meat was due to the reduction in slaughterhouse regulation in 2000 and the noticable degradation in quality.


Don't forget using the same cutting boards and knives for meats and vegetables without washing either.

Americans are so used to eating food out of a box that by god when you actually have to chop something or cut fat from meat, etc, they clam up (no pun intended) and  fark themselves with bad cooking practices.

For gods sakes, America is the country who gave the world Sandra Lee!!! That alone should be punishable by nuclear hellfire.
 
2013-02-20 07:23:56 PM

namegoeshere: That's why I only eat beef that once had a name.

Poor Fred. He was tasty.


But, your boloney; does it have a first name?
 
2013-02-20 07:24:33 PM
Argentina and Brazil have decent beef, but they know how to cook it.

Most of south america everything is grass feed, in the sense the cow had to fend for itself, I never saw a bale of hay in Colombia, just some anorexic cows wandering around eating whatever they could reach.

But give me a big tbone USDA stamped with the fat marbled through it any day.
 
2013-02-20 07:24:47 PM

Matthew Keene: I pick at my ass down at the supermarket, and then I touch your foods without washing my hands.


Not quite as bad as touching our food without using your hands.
/saw this act in a club in Hamburg once...
 
2013-02-20 07:25:06 PM
There is only one good way to obtain ground beef in America.

1. Start with a beef shoulder, chuck, sirloin, rib, or other cut
2. Run it through your meat grinder twice.
3. Bleach meat grinder when finished.

That's it.
 
2013-02-20 07:25:28 PM

iheartscotch: freewill: iheartscotch: chicken fried rabbit

We had chicken fried rabbit at the Fourth of July barbecue one year when I was a teenager.

Oh my God. So great.

Yes; my grandparents raised meat rabbits from the 30's well into the early 90's. Chicken fried rabbit, rabbit stew and rabbit pot pie were family favorites.

I'd do it too; but, cultivating eatin' rabbits is frowned upon nowadays


I can buy rabbit tenderloins and leg quarters at my local grocery store.  I like to make chili with them.
 
2013-02-20 07:26:00 PM
Venison FTW
 
2013-02-20 07:27:04 PM

iheartscotch: namegoeshere: That's why I only eat beef that once had a name.

Poor Fred. He was tasty.

But, your boloney; does it have a first name?


Yes. Oscar'slipsandasshole.
 
2013-02-20 07:27:07 PM

jigger: Don't worry the government will protect us from this.

[twimg0-a.akamaihd.net image 250x250]


My uncle is an inspector for that agency... You don't want to know what he finds on a bad day.

/which is why we buy 1/4 Steer from trusted friends AND a trusted butcher every year.
 
2013-02-20 07:28:37 PM

Beta Tested: Lucidz: Uhhhhhh.  This article pisses me off to no end.  First off, of course meat is better in Europe, and it has nothing to do with cleanliness.  It has to do with diet.  Who cares if the cows live in shiat, so do pigs.  The stuff you eat is on the INSIDE of the animals people...

Also, most all foodborne ilnesses come from improper cooking.  It has nothing to do with the quality of the product.

You are totally right, there is absolutely no established correlation between pathogens and overcrowding/sanitation.  They are completely unrelated.

/Sarcasm


Assuming you're not just arguing for the sake of arguing...

http://www.livestrong.com/article/114674-common-foods-causing-poison in g-united/

The above link says that some of the most common foods that cause poisoning due to overcrowding, chicken and beef, (almost exclusively, ground beef amongst cow products) are resolved with proper cooking.
 
2013-02-20 07:29:32 PM

Mr. Right: rooftop235: And why do we call it a hamburger when it's made of beef?

Because that style of serving (originally) minced beef originated in Hamburg, Germany.


DING!  :-)
 
2013-02-20 07:30:41 PM

Marcus Aurelius: There is only one good way to obtain ground beef in America.

1. Start with a beef shoulder, chuck, sirloin, rib, or other cut
2. Run it through your meat grinder twice.
3. Bleach meat grinder when finished.

That's it.


TBH, there aren't a lot of "healthy" meals that are based around ground beef so I try to avoid it anyways. (Having an unhealthy meal with ground beef for dinner tonight, heh, irony)
 
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