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2013-02-20 07:00:23 PM  
If you have to close the lane for an hour just to make a U-turn, why not close it for 10 minutes to let the bus drive to the next exit instead.
 
2013-02-20 07:04:31 PM  

doglover: That's construction.


Yeah that was construction. Wait, is? No. Please tell me. They're not still doing the same project all these years later?
 
2013-02-20 07:06:07 PM  

sweet-daddy-2: To heck with signs.  How much duct tape did they use to hold that poor bus together?


Wha? *checks pic* Oh. Ha, that does look like duct tape. It's more like canvas, from what I can tell. The bus is articulated there.
 
2013-02-20 07:07:08 PM  
s17.postimage.org
Just think of it as a big Pinto.
 
2013-02-20 07:15:00 PM  

The Onion is prophetic: unlikely: That's the HOV lane and it goes both directions depending on what time it is.

That is quite possibly the dumbest idea I've ever seen for a freeway.

And I live in Arizona.


Say, what? They're super common. San Diego has reversible express lanes on the 15, depending on what time of day it is. It also can adjust the lanes on the Coronado Bridge to accommodate traffic needs. Settle has reversible lanes on I5 and I90. Big arrows actually pop out of the center divide on I5 to get you to move over if the lanes are closed in your direction. Oh, and the DC suburbs in VA have them, also. So, basically it's Arizona that's retarded and not everyone else.
 
2013-02-20 07:17:33 PM  

weave: The Turks know how to do reversible lanes.


The Turks also rely heavily on kismet to survive their roads. I'll never forget our suicidal and homicidal cab driver in Istanbul. No sir, that big dangling blue eye will NOT protect us.

That said, this story reminded me of when Sweden switched from driving on the left to driving on the right in September of 1967:

i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-20 07:18:59 PM  
Easy. Just blame the driver. All the city people are exonerated because they're "officials" and hence, blameless. Why wasn't a barrier in place at the right time? Couldn't a regular drive make the same mistake. What moron chose using a sign than a barrier that would come down at the proper time with a warning light signifying end of HOV lane?
 
2013-02-20 07:21:38 PM  

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: [a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com image 380x450]


Should have added a sign with a "Good Luck" on it.
 
2013-02-20 07:22:04 PM  

FriarReb98: PapaChester: "The HOV lanes were closed for about an hour while Colorado State Patrol officers and Denver Police officers worked to turn the long bus around."

Are these buses on tracks or something? An hour? To pull a U-turn?

Do you really think a regular bus could do a U-turn in a 3-lane wide HOV lane, let alone the longcat of buses that that one apparently is?


Here's the logical quick solution.

1. Police block off the next on-ramp (given current traffic flow).
2. Bus driver backs up said bus to on-ramp.
3. Bus driver uses said on ramp as an off-ramp,
4. Reopen traffic.
 
2013-02-20 07:24:42 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: doglover: That's construction.

Yeah that was construction. Wait, is? No. Please tell me. They're not still doing the same project all these years later?


No. What I'm saying is it's easy for Pittsburgh.
 
2013-02-20 07:26:36 PM  

NkThrasher: LucklessWonder: Roundabouts (traffic circles) aren't that confusing. And here's the sign, Fark threw away despite it showing up in the WYSIWYG editor

Yo dawg, I heard you liked traffic circles.

They aren't bad if they're used appropriately.  Teensy tiny ones usually cause more confusion than they help avoid.  Properly sized ones tend to be helpful.


Tell that to fire truck drivers who have to go around them in a tandem. In Seattle they have round-abouts on narrow two lane intersections, one lane in either direction. The fire trucks just drive straight over them.
 
2013-02-20 07:29:52 PM  

JPINFV: FriarReb98: PapaChester: "The HOV lanes were closed for about an hour while Colorado State Patrol officers and Denver Police officers worked to turn the long bus around."

Are these buses on tracks or something? An hour? To pull a U-turn?

Do you really think a regular bus could do a U-turn in a 3-lane wide HOV lane, let alone the longcat of buses that that one apparently is?

Here's the logical quick solution.

1. Police block off the next on-ramp (given current traffic flow).
2. Bus driver backs up said bus to on-ramp.
3. Bus driver uses said on ramp as an off-ramp,
4. Reopen traffic.


I don't know going in reverse in a confined area with one of those beasts for a couple/few miles doesn't sound like much fun.
 
2013-02-20 07:31:47 PM  

JPINFV: FriarReb98: PapaChester: "The HOV lanes were closed for about an hour while Colorado State Patrol officers and Denver Police officers worked to turn the long bus around."

Are these buses on tracks or something? An hour? To pull a U-turn?

Do you really think a regular bus could do a U-turn in a 3-lane wide HOV lane, let alone the longcat of buses that that one apparently is?

Here's the logical quick solution.

1. Police block off the next on-ramp (given current traffic flow).
2. Bus driver backs up said bus to on-ramp.
3. Bus driver uses said on ramp as an off-ramp,
4. Reopen traffic.


Only problem is, that's a 2 section bus. The back section is basically a trailer. How would you like to back up a 50 foot long bus with a 30 foot long trailer a mile or two?
 
2013-02-20 07:34:24 PM  

IRQ12: I don't know going in reverse in a confined area with one of those beasts for a couple/few miles doesn't sound like much fun.


I think it would be more fun than the hour long million point U-turn that they actually made. Also 3 lanes plus shoulders shouldn't mean that it's too difficult. If they were confining it to one lane, I'd definitely agree. There's plenty of room if the driver understands that he doesn't need strict lane discipline.
 
2013-02-20 07:36:30 PM  
I have a solution for roudabouts with an artificial median...

i00.i.aliimg.com
/installed on the front of the car/truck and just barely scraping the ground :)
 
2013-02-20 07:43:00 PM  

NightOwl2255: Only problem is, that's a 2 section bus. The back section is basically a trailer. How would you like to back up a 50 foot long bus with a 30 foot long trailer a mile or two?


...very carefully.
 
2013-02-20 07:49:22 PM  
Can you imagine being one of the first people to see a bus coming straight at you on the interstate before traffic slows down? I would be...less than pleased at that particular point in time.
 
2013-02-20 07:49:39 PM  
In Chicago the reversible lanes block off the entrances going the other direction with like, 8+ barriers.  I can't imagine making reversible lanes w/o using at least some kind of blockade a good idea at all anywhere.

weave: The Turks know how to do reversible lanes.


I don't think traffic going opposite directions on a freeway w/o some sort of structured median would be a good idea either.
 
2013-02-20 07:57:57 PM  

Almost Everybody Poops: In Chicago the reversible lanes block off the entrances going the other direction with like, 8+ barriers.  I can't imagine making reversible lanes w/o using at least some kind of blockade a good idea at all anywhere.

weave: The Turks know how to do reversible lanes.

I don't think traffic going opposite directions on a freeway w/o some sort of structured median would be a good idea either.


Yeah, I was being a bit sarcastic.  It freaked me out when I saw it, especially since I had previously seen so many great crash videos from Turkey before my trip there.
 
2013-02-20 08:00:33 PM  

nytmare: If you have to close the lane for an hour just to make a U-turn, why not close it for 10 minutes to let the bus drive to the next exit instead.


Once you are on it, you are on it for a few miles.  There aren't many (any?) exits from ~71st Ave until 20th Ave (I believe)..it is a fairly long stretch with no exits.

I saw this yesterday one the way to work, it was a complete WTF moment for me. That being said, the HOV lane is only open going southbound during the weekday mornings.  I would think that anyone that drives that part of town would know that, especially the driver of a commuter bus.

It is a stupid system, but I am not going to start a huge rant on the traffic issues on the north side of Denver. That would require its own thread.
 
2013-02-20 08:01:27 PM  

JPINFV: FriarReb98: PapaChester: "The HOV lanes were closed for about an hour while Colorado State Patrol officers and Denver Police officers worked to turn the long bus around."

Are these buses on tracks or something? An hour? To pull a U-turn?

Do you really think a regular bus could do a U-turn in a 3-lane wide HOV lane, let alone the longcat of buses that that one apparently is?

Here's the logical quick solution.

1. Police block off the next on-ramp (given current traffic flow).
2. Bus driver backs up said bus to on-ramp.
3. Bus driver uses said on ramp as an off-ramp,
4. Reopen traffic.


Here's the actual logical quick solution:
1. Police close the adjacent lane of traffic starting at the next exit the bus will reach in the wrong-way it's heading.
2. Bus continues to drive the wrong way on the shoulder to the next exit and exits the HOV.
3. Police reopen the close lane of traffic.


There's all sorts of free HOV lanes around DC whose direction depends on time of day, they are all well marked, however.  Pennsylvania avenue does have several middle lanes of city road that flips during certain times in southeast DC.  It's written in fine print on some signs you may or may not see, and it may be excepted for any subset of the blocks that are usually subject to it, depending on construction.  Not sure if it still exists.
 
2013-02-20 08:01:40 PM  
This isn't the first time this has happened either.  I can't believe they didn't fix the signs after the first incidenet.
 
2013-02-20 08:04:14 PM  
Ride The Dick.
 
2013-02-20 08:04:56 PM  

PapaChester: "The HOV lanes were closed for about an hour while Colorado State Patrol officers and Denver Police officers worked to turn the long bus around."

Are these buses on tracks or something? An hour? To pull a U-turn?


I was kind of surprised they couldn't just throw it in reverse.
 
2013-02-20 08:05:24 PM  

FriarReb98: PapaChester: "The HOV lanes were closed for about an hour while Colorado State Patrol officers and Denver Police officers worked to turn the long bus around."

Are these buses on tracks or something? An hour? To pull a U-turn?

Do you really think a regular bus could do a U-turn in a 3-lane wide HOV lane, let alone the longcat of buses that that one apparently is?


I'm going with PapaChester here.
While a Uee might not be practical. How about driving to the next set of on/off gates?
Never been there, so I'm kinda talkin out my ass.
But I find it hard to believe that with logic and common sense that it takes an hour to drive a bus to a point where it can get off the frickin highway.
 
2013-02-20 08:08:22 PM  

The Onion is prophetic: unlikely: That's the HOV lane and it goes both directions depending on what time it is.

That is quite possibly the dumbest idea I've ever seen for a freeway.

And I live in Arizona.


We have one kind of like that in Honolulu. It's called a Zipper Lane. They move the lane barriers with this huge piece of wheeled machinery like they're the teeth of a zipper. I don't use it, but it seems to work all right. Except that rush-hour traffic is still horrendous.
 
2013-02-20 08:09:09 PM  

ZAZ: Reversible lanes are a good use of real estate on many routes, but you have to make sure they are easily understood by drivers. Ideally wrong way entrances should be blocked.

In the Boston area we have a "zipper" lane that is safe from wrong way traffic by design. We don't have any reversible freeway lanes that use the same pavement in both directions.


Oops, sorry, didn't read ahead.
 
2013-02-20 08:09:14 PM  
Does the road go from Surbiton to Hounslow?

Also...

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-20 08:14:17 PM  

LucklessWonder: neuroflare: LucklessWonder: Some more infamous British roads that could be just as confusing:

[londonbikers.com image 468x344]

[www.swindonweb.com image 433x295]

And here's the road sign for that second one

I farking hate round-abouts. I've found 2 in AZ and one is a doubled up to be two in a row. Unless you're getting on a freeway prepare for confusion.

/we have a really farking simple freeway system in Phoenix-metro

Roundabouts (traffic circles) aren't that confusing. And here's the sign, Fark threw away despite it showing up in the WYSIWYG editor
.[www.armin-grewe.com image 350x262]


So from the looks of that, they are admitting it is a traffic circle with 5 traffic circles inside of it.
 
2013-02-20 08:15:31 PM  

LordOfThePings: Does the road go from Surbiton to Hounslow?

Also...

[upload.wikimedia.org image 400x546]


There is a Fark headline writer born 70 years too early.
 
2013-02-20 08:15:38 PM  

FriarReb98: So if I'm reading the story right, not only has this happened before with  car, but they apparently did nothing about it then, either.  Farking brilliant.


It's only happened twice in two years. How much money do you want to throw at this rare incident?
 
2013-02-20 08:15:51 PM  

Gobsmacked: nytmare: If you have to close the lane for an hour just to make a U-turn, why not close it for 10 minutes to let the bus drive to the next exit instead.

Once you are on it, you are on it for a few miles.  There aren't many (any?) exits from ~71st Ave until 20th Ave (I believe)..it is a fairly long stretch with no exits.

I saw this yesterday today one the way to work, it was a complete WTF moment for me. That being said, the HOV lane is only open going southbound during the weekday mornings.  I would think that anyone that drives that part of town would know that, especially the driver of a commuter bus.

It is a stupid system, but I am not going to start a huge rant on the traffic issues on the north side of Denver. That would require its own thread.


Whoops, ftfm.
 
2013-02-20 08:17:16 PM  
Reminds me of this:
www.theblaze.com

If you have to stop and get out to read the sign maybe it ought not to exist.
 
2013-02-20 08:20:40 PM  
A u-turn on a 3 lane width freeway?  Must have been an interesting sight.  For Semi-truck and "standard" 53' trailer, you're looking at a circle approximately 55' in diameter, inside; so about 75' outside diameter (at least, that's what my old schoolhouse teachers said, I've never actually measured my rig taking a turn but I honestly doubt its possible in my rig without uncoupling).  An average freeway lane is about 12' wide; and based upon the picture, no breakdown lanes; so even accounting for the width of paint, you're looking at MAYBE 37-38' of room to play with.

Granted it's a flexi-bus whose pivot appears to be around 2/3rds along the length, which is quite different from a semi-truck / trailer combo where it's more like 15/85 depending on configuration but I can't believe their turning radius is THAT much better.
 
2013-02-20 08:21:14 PM  

unlikely: That's the HOV lane and it goes both directions depending on what time it is.


But enough about your mother; this thread is about traffic patterns.

/sorry, couldn't resist
 
2013-02-20 08:22:52 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Reminds me of this:
[www.theblaze.com image 353x504]

If you have to stop and get out to read the sign maybe it ought not to exist.


They have something similar near where I live (a 35 dropping to a 25 coupled with multiple schools leading to an insane sign), and they have a very simple solution:  "Speed Limit 25 when light flashing"
 
2013-02-20 08:23:04 PM  
Reminds me of a few years back when I was in Wyoming and a local friend warned me about the construction maze they'd made of the 90/25 interchange.  One of her friends had ended up going the wrong way and was in a horrible crash.  I figured it was just a case of bad driving until I got to the same spot.  Holy Hell, what a clusterfark!  The entire state only has two interstates and that's where they meet.  You'd think they'd have clear signage indicating which branch went to which direction of which freeway but nope.  Just a big, flat maze of those orange barrels that are tall enough to block line of sight from passenger cars.
 
2013-02-20 08:25:48 PM  
wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com

/Moon Beaver
 
2013-02-20 08:32:14 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Reminds me of this:
[www.theblaze.com image 353x504]

If you have to stop and get out to read the sign maybe it ought not to exist.


I'm not saying it's a speed trap, but . . .
 
2013-02-20 08:54:36 PM  
Does this driver not talk to the other drivers?
This should have never happened.
 
2013-02-20 08:58:38 PM  

ReverendJasen: The Onion is prophetic: That is quite possibly the dumbest idea I've ever seen for a freeway.

They don't call 'em "suicide lanes" for nothing.


I suppose it cuts down on traffic in the HOV lane when you know there very well may be someone coming the other direction.
 
2013-02-20 09:14:02 PM  
I'll just leave this here.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA8ShsySc48
 
2013-02-20 09:37:10 PM  
Warning, sign has sharp edges.
 
2013-02-20 09:46:11 PM  

Oldiron_79: Warning, sign has sharp edges.


Warning: Reading this sign constitutes as a Class III (3) Felony, punishable by a $100,000 fine minimum, or a minimum of five (5) years in prison
 
2013-02-20 10:10:55 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Oblig...
[www.examiner.com image 430x286]


What the hell did steve martin see when he was looking at the ground that made him determine they were going the wrong way?
 
2013-02-20 10:13:48 PM  
H to the izz-O V to the izz-A lane
Signs are all farked-up
And the CDOT still won't get blame
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-20 10:14:04 PM  
I suppose it cuts down on traffic in the HOV lane when you know there very well may be someone coming the other direction.

Until the 1970s a standard layout for rural roads was three lanes with the center lane a bidirectional passing lane. Cruising in the left lane (of the two available) was not advised.

Current rules require one direction to have priority in the center lane of a three lane bidirectional road. One direction has two lanes, the other one lane, and only the one lane direction is allowed to have a passing zone.
 
2013-02-20 10:29:49 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: I_Am_Weasel: Oblig...
[www.examiner.com image 430x286]

What the hell did steve martin see when he was looking at the ground that made him determine they were going the wrong way?


The... double yellow line? If you see that out the passenger window, you're going the wrong way
 
2013-02-20 10:32:20 PM  

soaboutthat: The idea of chaning HOV lanes is not all together bad but there has to be better flow control.

There are some in Hampton Road Virginia but they have gates at every exit.  In the decade I lived in the area the only time I knew of someone getting on the wrong way, the guy went around the gates.   It's not that uncommon, northern VA has them as well on 95, go with the flow of traffic.

The worst I've ever seen is Nicholasville Road in Lexington KY, the lanes change directions based on the time of day.   It's like seven lanes wide and depending on what time of day anywhere from one to five lanes go in either direction.


There are gates on almost all the entrances to this HOV lane.

Almost.
 
2013-02-20 10:36:08 PM  

blatz514: weave: The Turks know how to do reversible lanes.

Were they Young Turks?


No, the were the New Bomb Turks.
 
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