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(Starburst Magazine)   Torchwood and Doctor Who writer explains amongst other things why Miracle Day was such a failure   (starburstmagazine.com) divider line 16
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2013-02-20 12:11:46 PM
4 votes:
They tried to make it more American.  Instead of the interesting quirky British thing it was, they tried to turn it into "24."  It was farking horrible.
2013-02-20 02:29:33 PM
3 votes:

Elzar: Still haven't seen Miracle Day yet - is it even out on Netflix? Love me some Captain Jack, but I suspected prior to season 4 that US audiences wouldn't be as down for as much of the gay... sad, but so it goes.


One problem with Miracle Day is that they made Jack simply gay.  Back in Doctor Who, Jack didn't care if it was male/female/human/whatever.  For most of the series, it just didn't really seem like the same Jack Harkness to be honest.
2013-02-20 11:53:15 AM
3 votes:
I don't know what this insane person is going on about.  There was never any Torchwood after Children of the Earth.
2013-02-20 11:16:59 PM
1 votes:
It was Americanized.

It wasn't as good as the first two seasons

but the thing that ruined it is that farking idiot blonde chick. Tremble voice. That's all she did. We were supposed to sympathize with her, but all I wanted to do was smack her in the face. Boring, yet in no way benign. How do you even do that?

I'd like it on record that I still enjoyed it though.
2013-02-20 10:57:03 PM
1 votes:

snowshovel: The story about Sherlock/Elementary that I heard was that the producers wanted to license Sherlock for America, but the Sherlock people said "Hell, no!"

So, now the producers still wanted to do a Sherlocky show, but they had to be careful to not step over the BBC version for fear of outright copying. Creatively, who knows what changes CBS would've made to Sherlock anyway to "Americanize" it...probably if nothing else, going with a female Holmes seems like an obvious choice.


That directly rips off the Arrow/Caliber comic book,  Baker Street, which features a "female Sherlock" and Holmes (an American student!) in the punk 1980s era. Very cool. I always though it would have made a good TV series. Especially considering some of the twists and turns the series took.

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2013-02-20 05:01:40 PM
1 votes:
Miracle Sucked donkey cock for a number of reasons, most of which has been stated already, but I'mma give my .02 anyways.

Pacing sucked. The way things on the show went they could easily have gone the route of Children Of Earth and did 4-5 episodes and done. Stretching it out to an entire season forced them to add loads of piss poor filler.

Speaking of filler, serial killer guy. Sure we get that the whole point of his little subplot was to hammer home how bad Miracle Day was affecting the world. The problem is they would have been fine had they stuck to the scenes at the death/not dead camps and just have that news slip to the public.

The interesting characters were killed off and the shiat characters lived...again. This seems to be a theme throughout Torchwood's entire run, not just MD. Suzie, Owen, Tosh, Ianto, all were interesting characters, all killed off, yet boring whiny Gwen left to live another day. Same with MD. The doctor lady was about the only interesting character of the bunch, so of course she was killed early on. Rex, the most one dimensional character in existence of course gets to live another day with a bonus. I will say that they at least managed to make Gwen a bit more interesting with her having gone into hiding with her child and husband after the events of COE.

Capt. Jack. Oh man oh man wtf did they do to you? Still trying the forced sexual/relationship tension with Gwen? Now you're not an omni-sexual, but you're just out and out gay. And not just gay but in your face buttsex on screen gay. I have no problem with sex/nudity in shows/movies it just seemed a bit gratuitous in much the same way as it was done in the Spartacus series. We get it everyone was farking, get on with the story already. Extended sex scenes that were there for shock value as if to say "Hey, we're being edgy! Watch how close we get to hardcore onscreen sex!" are a gimmick that wears thin quickly.

Then there's the premise of the entire show. I can't recall the specific episode or episodes from TW or Dr.W, but i seem to recall it being stated that Capt. Jack's immortality didn't have anything to do with his blood or even his physiology, but due to Rose having what amounted to magical powers making him immortal. Now all the sudden his blood can turn people immortal? I'm not just talking about the method used to create miracle day, I'm talking about Rex at the end.

Just all around piss poor writing and directing.
2013-02-20 04:32:17 PM
1 votes:
Miracle Day was a good idea on paper.  The execution failed.  Over all I liked it.  It did give us a good idea of what it would be like if death was no longer a part of life but your body still aged and you lacked any super human healing.  And it's really not impossible to believe that if such an event occurred that we'd have governments rounding up those classified as living dead, putting them into dutch ovens and cremating them instead of wasting resources to ease their suffering.

However, the story line was way too long, the pay off wasn't there, and while it was nice to see the hot doctor have a sex scene, I would have rather had Gwen have a one night fling over the many flings that Captain Jack had over the course of the series.  The ending to me seemed to be more of an attempt at starting a U.S. version of Torchwood with a U.S. cast instead of closing the chapter on another series of Torchwood.

Personally, I would have rather had another regular season of Torchwood instead of Miracle Day.  I would have rather had series 1 and 2 of Torchwood, Children of Earth, and then Torchwood series 3.  Start off with a new Torchwood hub, Captain Jack (not leaving at the end of Children of Earth), recruiting a new team Gwen in the role of training everyone, and a return to the story telling we saw in series 1 and 2.
2013-02-20 03:57:18 PM
1 votes:
Miracle Day started off great.  The concept felt certainly original.  Then it went south real bad.
2013-02-20 03:31:57 PM
1 votes:

Felgraf: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: I think the example you were looking for was Coupling and/or Red Dwarf.

I forgot there even was an American version of Red Dwarf, actually.

/The American version of Who's Line was pretty good, though!


Except that Drew Carry kept trying to shoehorn his way into the sketches and ruining them.  Plus the episodes were always the same with no real variation with the sketches.  The British version had an MC who knew to keep his nose out of it and take the occasional pot-shot at the comics which could end up being just as funny.  The two shows just didn't compare.
2013-02-20 03:26:01 PM
1 votes:

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Felgraf: johnnieconnie: What American TV Producers don't seem to get is that we LIKE British TV as is. You want to adapt one of their TV shows with American actors and no accents, ok, but don't drop everything about them and make them just like the mass-produced bs that is already airing.

For instance, see the current Sherlock Holmes: US version for details.

"Holy crap, this very cerebral and interesting BBC version of Sherlock is drawing in a lot of viewers!"

"Great! Let's take it, make it more actiony, and now Watson is Lucy Liu so Sherlock can have a romance interest!"

"What."

Except, Elementary is a fairly decent show (not a decent Sherlock Holmes show, a decent detective show).

I think the example you were looking for was Coupling and/or Red Dwarf.


This.  They're two distinct shows based on the same source, not an adaptation.  If anything Elementary is trying to copy House and everything on the USA network.
2013-02-20 03:05:53 PM
1 votes:

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: I think the example you were looking for was Coupling and/or Red Dwarf.


I forgot there even was an American version of Red Dwarf, actually.

/The American version of Who's Line was pretty good, though!
2013-02-20 03:05:45 PM
1 votes:

Felgraf: johnnieconnie: What American TV Producers don't seem to get is that we LIKE British TV as is. You want to adapt one of their TV shows with American actors and no accents, ok, but don't drop everything about them and make them just like the mass-produced bs that is already airing.

For instance, see the current Sherlock Holmes: US version for details.

"Holy crap, this very cerebral and interesting BBC version of Sherlock is drawing in a lot of viewers!"

"Great! Let's take it, make it more actiony, and now Watson is Lucy Liu so Sherlock can have a romance interest!"

"What."


Aaaaand this is why I don't have my TV on for more than 10 hours/week.
2013-02-20 02:55:16 PM
1 votes:
Maybe they aren't so good because Chris Chibnall is associated with it.  "42" was a decent DW script, but the rest of his work has been moderate to moderately bad.

\also wrote two of the more ham-fisted Life on Mars episodes
2013-02-20 01:51:42 PM
1 votes:

gadian: I don't know what this insane person is going on about.  There was never any Torchwood after Children of the Earth.


To be fair, Jack Harkness being brutally murdered by a crowd over and over again for his blood did make for quality masturbation material.

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Oh god, I really am disturbed, aren't I?
2013-02-20 01:47:08 PM
1 votes:
I liked it
2013-02-20 01:42:17 PM
1 votes:
Russell T. Davies?
 
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