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2013-02-20 07:06:55 PM  
their "point" is that they want sex

now if u can't figure that out by the way your talking, your a jackass
 
2013-02-20 07:07:10 PM  

PsiChick: ...Sorry? Are you saying people inherit language despite being adopted?


You said word count, and (that can mean a few things) anything involving word count is very heritable.
 
2013-02-20 07:07:47 PM  

Caffandtranqs: WhippingBoy: Bronzemom: Bull manure.  Look how many words you knuckleheads use to claim women talk too much.
enough said

Uh-oh... someone's feeling a wee bit defensive, aren't they?

It's hilarious because it's true.  You guys are going on about women.....like a bunch of women.


The only people in this thread posting long, non-sensical, drivel are the pseudo-feminists and their white knights.
 
2013-02-20 07:08:33 PM  

Despair of the Cheese: Yep. This is how so many conversations with guys I have go. Move the HELL on. I don't know the guy/place/car/boobs. Just get to the damned story.


Maybe because he's trying to illustrate a point that has to do with that guy specifically and you're missing the whole point because you're use to the regular ol' women chittering/squawking?
 
2013-02-20 07:12:04 PM  

my alt's alt's alt: I think it has more to do with personality type. In the eyes of Myers-Briggs, the typical "most womanly" personality type of ESFP is overtly talkative and superfluous in their speech patterns. Whereas myself, the INTJ woman, considers small talk stupid and pointless.

/other women don't "get" me, especially when my eyes glaze over while they ramble about talk shows and shoes
//men think I'm "cold"
///fark the lot of them


THIS. A thousand times, THIS.
 
2013-02-20 07:13:35 PM  

silvervial: Buffet: silly season: I glanced over the responses and I didn't see: Henry Phillips- She's Talking Again

That's the first thing that came to my mind!

You missed it, the full lyrics were posted.


I have the album.
 
2013-02-20 07:14:55 PM  

silvervial: Buffet: silly season: I glanced over the responses and I didn't see: Henry Phillips- She's Talking Again

That's the first thing that came to my mind!

You missed it, the full lyrics were posted.


Doesn't count. You can't get the effect of a song from just the lyrics.

/Does one describe the Mona Lisa to convey the effect?!
// I don't think so
///Philistine!
 
2013-02-20 07:15:19 PM  

ciberido: fredklein: ciberido: She didn't ask you for advice. She told you she had a problem, because she wanted a shoulder to cry on.

Crying on a shoulder doesn't solve the problem. (unless the problem is a dry shoulder). Solving the problem solves the problem.

If the problem is, for example, "I'm unhappy (because my boss is a biatch)" then yes, crying on a shoulder solves that part of problem which can be most immediately solved ("I'm unhappy").


Telling someone you're unhappy makes you... not unhappy? Does telling someone you ARE happy make you sad??

Or to try to put it in terms that you might relate to better, if I tell you my car is low on oil, yes, maybe it would be worthwhile to discuss what might have caused this, and yes, we could discuss the idea of you taking a look at the engine or taking the car to a garage for repairs, but what I need RIGHT NOW is somebody to put oil in the damn car.

But she doesn't WANT him to solve the problem and put oil in the car, she wants him to listen to her biatching about how the car needs oil. because that will make the car.. fell it doesn't need oil??
 
2013-02-20 07:15:40 PM  

WhippingBoy: ChrisDe: At times I'm tempted to put a security camera in the kitchen so I could play back what she actually said, and not what she thought she said. But somehow that would backfire on me.

I've fantasized about doing this as well. But yeah, it would almost certainly backfire.


Why don't you just do it, you pussywhipped whiners.
 
2013-02-20 07:17:20 PM  
 
2013-02-20 07:17:26 PM  

Pilikia: I typically walk around with an image of myself as a bad-ass apex predator, but whenever my wife begins a sentence with the word, "So..." (ellipses intentional) I freeze like a baby bunny in the underbrush. Sometimes, if I stay still and silent long enough, I blend back into her perceptual background and escape the hour-long, one-sided conversation about nothing she was about to initiate.


OK, now this shiat is funny. It's like you're Dr. Grant and she's the T-Rex.
 
2013-02-20 07:17:55 PM  
Women use more words to say things than men, as a rule. But a woman isn't much more verbose.


Teenage girls are the ones who speak much and say nothing. It's crazy.
 
2013-02-20 07:18:18 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: PsiChick: ...Sorry? Are you saying people inherit language despite being adopted?

You said word count, and (that can mean a few things) anything involving word count is very heritable.


Not in the sense we usually use that phrase, no. It's not genetically based; you 'inherit' it through mimickry. Nature, not nurture.
 
2013-02-20 07:18:57 PM  

fredklein: But she doesn't WANT him to solve the problem and put oil in the car, she wants him to listen to her biatching about how the car needs oil. because that will make the car.. fell it doesn't need oil??


There's a reason why women have never (and will never) walk on the moon. This is it.
 
2013-02-20 07:18:58 PM  

OgreMagi: badgerb: OgreMagi: badgerb: Acharne: I love this thread. I am sorely tempted to show it to my girlfriend but I don't think she'll understand why. For me, it'd be about empathy, for her, it'd be able re-inforcing stereotypes and disrespecting her.

Dude go alpha.
OgreMagi: Pilikia: noitsnot: I have one!  It's called "the Dinner Game":

M: Where do you want to eat?
F: I don't know...
M: How about Jimmies?
F: No...
M: OK, how about Lobster Pile?
F: No...
M: OK, how about Steak and Poop?
F: No...
M: Well, where would YOU like to go?
F: I don't know...
M: OK, how about Miles O' Bacon?
F: No...
M: OK, how about Cheese Weasel?
F: No...
M: Well, I guess we could stay in then.
F: BUT YOU SAID WE WERE GOING OUUUUUUT!

SO MUCH THIS

Once my wife did this.  I walked out, got in the car, went to In-n-Out, had a nice burger, fries, and coke, then drove home.  She asked me where the hell I went.  I told her I had dinner.  So I didn't get any sex that night.  Nor any for the next week.

I am no longer married.

You lucky barstad!!!
Wish I had thought of that.

Going to In-N-Out or getting divorced?

Depends on how much alimony he had to pay.
Having said that it sounds like getting away from this biatch was worth it at any price.
I do like an In-N-Out burger every once in awhile though.

Zero alimony, but a shiat-ton of debt.


Worth it??
 
2013-02-20 07:19:22 PM  

fusillade762: fredklein: ciberido: She didn't ask you for advice. She told you she had a problem, because she wanted a shoulder to cry on.

Crying on a shoulder doesn't solve the problem. (unless the problem is a dry shoulder). Solving the problem solves the problem.

There ya go, thinking like a MAN again.


Shes talking.

Talking is a form of communication.

com·mu·ni·ca·tion
Noun
The imparting or exchanging of information or news

So, she's trying to give me information.

Why?

So I can act on it.

The information involves a problem.

She must want a solution to the problem.

Simple logic.
 
2013-02-20 07:20:39 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: My wife thinks this is a reasonable way to impart information:

"So at work today (co-worker's name) comes up to me and starts telling me about the girl that sits next to her. Turns out she went to lunch with her friend and her friend and then they were talking about her and how she doesn't do any work, but after all of that she was talking to her boss and they all agreed that she needs to tell her that she isn't going to help her get her work done when she isn't doing anything to help her department when she has lots of time on her plate and could be asking her boss if she can do any project to help her department."


coedmagazine.files.wordpress.com

Who introduced your wife to my girlfriend?

/ Have told her many times: If the story is about someone you know, that's fine. I'll be a good sport. If the story is about someone someone you know knows, stop.
 
2013-02-20 07:22:00 PM  

fredklein: Telling someone you're unhappy makes you... not unhappy? Does telling someone you ARE happy make you sad??


Yes, Mr. Spock, I understand that human emotions confuse you.  If only you were Data and not Spock, maybe I could just install a chip or something.
 
2013-02-20 07:24:56 PM  

ciberido: fredklein: Telling someone you're unhappy makes you... not unhappy? Does telling someone you ARE happy make you sad??

Yes, Mr. Spock, I understand that human emotions confuse you.  If only you were Data and not Spock, maybe I could just install a chip or something.


Oh, I have emotions. But when I'm sad, I don't talk about it. Because talking about it doesn't help- it just dredges up more stuff to be unhappy about. If I'm sad, I figure out WHY, and fix the problem.
 
2013-02-20 07:25:43 PM  

fredklein: fusillade762: fredklein: ciberido: She didn't ask you for advice. She told you she had a problem, because she wanted a shoulder to cry on.

Crying on a shoulder doesn't solve the problem. (unless the problem is a dry shoulder). Solving the problem solves the problem.

There ya go, thinking like a MAN again.

Shes talking.

Talking is a form of communication.

com·mu·ni·ca·tion
Noun
The imparting or exchanging of information or news

So, she's trying to give me information.

Why?

So I can act on it.

The information involves a problem.

She must want a solution to the problem.

Simple logic.


Here you go: Phil's Day at the Spa
 
2013-02-20 07:26:07 PM  
fredklein

Shes talking.

Talking is a form of communication.

com·mu·ni·ca·tion
Noun
The imparting or exchanging of information or news

So, she's trying to give me information obtain comfort and reassurance, and telling her story is her way of soliticing comfort and reassurance from you.

Why?

So I can act on it.

The information involves a problem.

She must want a solution to the problem.

Simple logic.


Fixed that for ya, kidro.
 
2013-02-20 07:26:19 PM  
Haven't laughed at a thread like this in a long time.
 
2013-02-20 07:28:57 PM  
IRQ12
Haven't laughed at a thread like this in a long time.

People were staring at me on the train home because my shoulders were shaking I was laughing so, as quietly as I could, anyway...

Also, the headline made me laugh for a good 5 minutes.

(and I'm a woman)

Well done, subby.
 
2013-02-20 07:31:46 PM  

ciberido: sethen320: My wife is horrible at communicating.  Incomplete thoughts, wrong words used, etc...

We just had a conversation about it the other day.  She has a bad habit of doing stuff like not actually pointing at things when asking for help retrieving something or whatnot.  She will "point" by looking at the object and then say "can you hand me that".  This typically leads to me or some other poor soul desperately trying to guess what "that" may be while being polite about it.  Meanwhile she gets more and more frustrated.

Nepalis often point with their lips.  It seems weird at first, but it homes in handy sometimes, mainly when both hands are already occupied.

Apparently some other cultures also point with their lips, as well.


Would not hit it -- pointy lips.
studman69
 
2013-02-20 07:32:32 PM  

fredklein: fusillade762: fredklein: ciberido: She didn't ask you for advice. She told you she had a problem, because she wanted a shoulder to cry on.

Crying on a shoulder doesn't solve the problem. (unless the problem is a dry shoulder). Solving the problem solves the problem.

There ya go, thinking like a MAN again.

Shes talking.

Talking is a form of communication.

com·mu·ni·ca·tion
Noun
The imparting or exchanging of information or news

So, she's trying to give me information.

Why?

So I can act on it.

The information involves a problem.

She must want a solution to the problem.

Simple logic.


Well, there's your problem....
 
2013-02-20 07:33:19 PM  

andyfromfl: gmpathfinder: KiltedBastich: PsiChick: ...Anthropology actually discusses the difference between a social trait and a biological trait as part of its field. Like, again, this is what they teach in 101. As do most other social sciences. Part of the waist-hip thing is that any biological inclination would be very slight, like TFA--so slight as to be, for all intents and purposes, nonexistant. Humans do not have many true instincts, and there are some behaviors that pattern across all cultures. Schizophrenia, for example, manifests the same way in every culture. That's a biological trait.

This study, in my eyes, may well have found a slight indicator of a mild tendency to language. But that's about it. In another culture, it would be unnoticeable, which means there's very little value in the real world in looking at it as an indicator, although certainly it's of value to further research. But at some point, .00000000000000001 is just 0.

Yeah, they discuss it, and they often get it wrong, because they are generally lay people with respect to the expression of biological traits in behaviour who have distinct biases against the very concept. I've got degrees in sociology and psychology. I've taken those 101 classes you speak of and they get a lot wrong when they talk about the natural science when you compare it with what the natural sciences are actually saying (and vice versa, of course; both sides of this issue exasperate me).

To continue the example, the waist-hip thing is found everywhere, in wildly varying cultures all over the world. It's common as dirt and it works cross culturally, in that people from one culture who share the trait will be able to accurately judge the relative attractiveness of women from very different cultures who share that particular trait. There are some culttures that display very different tendencies, but all of those are very specific to the particular cultures, and do not generalize well. The culture can overwrite the basic tendency. ...


www.jaydinitto.com
If you tell me the sky is green in your world, it's up to you to provide evidence.
You say women talk more than men- you have anecdotes, but you don't have any data.
You disagree with research that doesn't confirm your biases? You must be really good at science.
 
2013-02-20 07:34:37 PM  
What I've learned from Fark today is that a lot of couples need to learn how to communicate with one another. Use a talking stick, but reverse it. The person who isn't talking holds it and when the other person starts into problematic communication, they get beaten with the talking stick. It's gender neutral. In fact both people could have their own talking sticks, which must be surrendered before starting to speak. This surrender of the talking stick is consent to whatever corrective actions must be taken by the other party.

If she's rambling or he's being insensitive, it gives immediate tangible feedback, Also, the potential for swordfights which is an awesome addition to any couple's dynamic IMHO.

Or one could go the SImpsons route and use shock collars but I don't suggest playing with electricity above the waist.
 
2013-02-20 07:35:50 PM  

fredklein: ciberido: fredklein: Telling someone you're unhappy makes you... not unhappy? Does telling someone you ARE happy make you sad??

Yes, Mr. Spock, I understand that human emotions confuse you.  If only you were Data and not Spock, maybe I could just install a chip or something.

Oh, I have emotions. But when I'm sad, I don't talk about it. Because talking about it doesn't help- it just dredges up more stuff to be unhappy about. If I'm sad, I figure out WHY, and fix the problem.


Somebody has to be at the end of the line - with nobody to turn to, to actually take action.  We end up holding that bag.
 
2013-02-20 07:36:06 PM  

SuperTramp: fredklein

So, she's trying to give me information obtain comfort and reassurance, and telling her story is her way of soliticing comfort and reassurance from you.

Fixed that for ya, kidro.


If she wants "comfort and reassurance", maybe she should ask for ... wait for it... comfort and reassurance??

The whole point is that men are direct, and women... aren't.
 
2013-02-20 07:39:58 PM  

tonguedepressor: The post argument argument where I'm basically told that by definition my disagreeing with her point of view is the equivalent of my screaming at her.

In fact she'll even recreate my screaming at her in a threatening manner and using words and statements that I never even came close to using.

It can quite disconcerting that she is convinced that this was how it actually happened.


You need to get out of that relationship ... NOW
 
2013-02-20 07:40:06 PM  
fredklein

If she wants "comfort and reassurance", maybe she should ask for ... wait for it... comfort and reassurance??

She: Honey, I really need some comfort and reassurance!
He: About what?

and there you go.
 
2013-02-20 07:41:45 PM  

TheOther: ciberido: sethen320: My wife is horrible at communicating.  Incomplete thoughts, wrong words used, etc...

We just had a conversation about it the other day.  She has a bad habit of doing stuff like not actually pointing at things when asking for help retrieving something or whatnot.  She will "point" by looking at the object and then say "can you hand me that".  This typically leads to me or some other poor soul desperately trying to guess what "that" may be while being polite about it.  Meanwhile she gets more and more frustrated.

Nepalis often point with their lips.  It seems weird at first, but it homes in handy sometimes, mainly when both hands are already occupied.

Apparently some other cultures also point with their lips, as well.

Would not hit it -- pointy lips.
studman69


Like a beak?

No wonder the Gurkah are so tough.
 
2013-02-20 07:44:35 PM  

silvervial: Me: That sucks.
Him: Yeah. Remember...?
Me: I was just thinking that.
Him: Shame.


Mrs. Grubermann and I have a huge library of in-jokes, cultural references and oher conversational shortcuts that dip down into a single word said in a particular way. Sometimes it's even just a look, and an entire conversation can happen in seconds.
 
2013-02-20 07:45:30 PM  

silvervial: So two people, ten words, the subject is covered and over with.


No, I understand that. However, it's not what I meant. Running out of new things to talk about is a different issue than hating what comes out of their mouth and actively disliking each other's company. A couple being quiet with each other can be a sweet sign of closeness and being comfortable with one another. Complaining that s/he annoys him/her as a person while supposedly being a "couple" is something else.
 
2013-02-20 07:45:59 PM  

ciberido: browntimmy: lordluzr: Two hundred comments in two hours.... Fark is a woman.

Notice how internet comments are usually relatively succinct and get the point across without superfluous information? Internet savvy people know that long text blocks will largely get ignored. This same rule applies to most men and real life conversations.

Yes, indeed, Fark comments are the very model of intelligence and succinctness.


Since I guess public school failed you, by succinct means "brief" or "expressed in few words", as in it doesn't take you 10 minutes to read each post. Where did you get intelligent from? Putting words in my mouth for the sake of arguing? Gee, that almost fits a certain stereotype being discussed in this thread.
 
2013-02-20 07:46:32 PM  

Theaetetus: [www.phdcomics.com image 600x667]

Or, specifically in this article:
1. The average woman talks more than the average man.
2. Male rat pups cry more than female rat pups, and they have twice as much of the protein FOXP2.
3. In a study of 10 human children, the females had more of the FOXP2 protein than the males.

... which is translated as "we discovered the protein that causes adult women to talk more!"


By the way, back to a serious post for whoever is interested to read my sci-babble.

*begin full-force SERIOUS MODE*
I want to reiterate the importance of not assuming cause and effect. Obvious evidence strongly indicates that there is likely no cause and effect relationship between quantity of speech and FOXP2:

The FOXP2 gene is located on chromosome 7, which is NOT a sex chromosome. From a Mendelian-only perspective (assuming completely random hookups), men and women should have similar rates of FOXP2 dominance. Now, higher dominance of FOXP2 in one gender over the other throughout the population could still be possible, but not due to any direct effect from being a specific gender. Rather, as all the woes in this thread show, FOXP2 might have an effect on who bangs who because it could affect attractiveness by affecting, say, social interactions.

By the shiatty article that mentioned the study, it seems that females of the observed animals used more vocalizations and had a correlation with higher FOXP2 expression, as well as the correlation that human girls have more FOXP2.

Given the female correlation with FOXP2 and the fact that FOXP2 has equal chance to pass to the child during recombination (ignoring factors like FOXP2's affect on attractiveness of the phenotype), I would be willing to bet that many other genes are located on the X chromosome that also affect speech. This might be related to such known facts as higher rates of some language disorders in boys, like dyslexia (boys don't get that backup X chromosome).

So if you held a gun to my head and made me jump to a conclusion, I would say that FOXP2 probably indirectly affects the expression of other genes which more directly affect speech and/or vocalizations. I'd also jump to a conclusion that FOXP2 is an evolutionary mammal relic which interacts with female genes (or maybe something on the male Y chromosome suppresses FOXP2) so that the females would use more vocalizations to comfort, communicate, etc, baby offspring.
*end full-force SERIOUS MODE*  

Journalists do it, so I'll do it.
My conclusion hilariously would mean that women are all instinctively talking to their husbands as if the husband were literally a baby.

So, ladies, lay off your dude and treat him like an adult, k? None of that slow soul-destroying nagging.
 
2013-02-20 07:47:31 PM  
I'm bookmarking this to read later, when I'm less frustrated by the ineptitude of the speaking woman.

/not all of them, just enough of them to piss me off
 
2013-02-20 07:47:34 PM  

PsiChick: Fark Rye For Many Whores: PsiChick: ...Sorry? Are you saying people inherit language despite being adopted?

You said word count, and (that can mean a few things) anything involving word count is very heritable.

Not in the sense we usually use that phrase, no. It's not genetically based; you 'inherit' it through mimickry. Nature, not nurture.


No.
 
2013-02-20 07:49:07 PM  
blog.harisaltaf.com
 
2013-02-20 07:51:11 PM  

doglover: [blog.harisaltaf.com image 499x699]


Well, forwarding that one to the g/f and asking her to look at it before she ever wakes me up in the middle of night again just to ask me if I still love her the same way I did when we first met.
 
2013-02-20 07:54:53 PM  

BolloxReader: Or one could go the SImpsons route and use shock collars but I don't suggest playing with electricity above the waist.


But that only leaves...
i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-02-20 07:55:24 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: It's amusing that so many of you are married to dipshiats who won't shut up. I'd be sympathetic, but so many of you are also assholes, so I figure you deserve it.


first laugh of the day.

"I know my spouse is going to be a pain in the ass, so I'm going to be an obtuse rude retard."

They're made for each other.
 
2013-02-20 07:55:26 PM  

SuperTramp: fredklein

If she wants "comfort and reassurance", maybe she should ask for ... wait for it... comfort and reassurance??

She: Honey, I really need some comfort and reassurance!
He: About what?

and there you go.


...And then she tells me what she needs comfort and reassurance about.
 
2013-02-20 07:57:57 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: PsiChick: Fark Rye For Many Whores: PsiChick: ...Sorry? Are you saying people inherit language despite being adopted?

You said word count, and (that can mean a few things) anything involving word count is very heritable.

Not in the sense we usually use that phrase, no. It's not genetically based; you 'inherit' it through mimickry. Nature, not nurture.

No.


Citation?
 
2013-02-20 08:05:29 PM  

PsiChick: Fark Rye For Many Whores: PsiChick: Fark Rye For Many Whores: PsiChick: ...Sorry? Are you saying people inherit language despite being adopted?

You said word count, and (that can mean a few things) anything involving word count is very heritable.

Not in the sense we usually use that phrase, no. It's not genetically based; you 'inherit' it through mimickry. Nature, not nurture.

No.

Citation?


didn't Whorf and Penney prety much already farm this back 40?
 
2013-02-20 08:10:04 PM  

Ed Grubermann: fredklein: ciberido: She didn't ask you for advice. She told you she had a problem, because she wanted a shoulder to cry on.

Crying on a shoulder doesn't solve the problem. (unless the problem is a dry shoulder). Solving the problem solves the problem.

She doesn't want the problem solved.


Of course not. She is the problem.
 
2013-02-20 08:11:46 PM  

Ed Grubermann: fredklein: ciberido: She didn't ask you for advice. She told you she had a problem, because she wanted a shoulder to cry on.

Crying on a shoulder doesn't solve the problem. (unless the problem is a dry shoulder). Solving the problem solves the problem.

She doesn't want the problem solved.


This should be the first thing any male human being is ever taught. When a woman tells you she has a problem, you need to very carefully consider whether or not she wants you to fix it before you open your trap. Most of the time, offering a rational solution will get you nothing but pain. Even if she says "the toilet is backed up, would you fix it?" you should spend a few seconds considering your response, just in case.
 
2013-02-20 08:13:26 PM  
fredklein: If she wants "comfort and reassurance", maybe she should ask for ... wait for it... comfort and reassurance??

SuperTramp:

She: Honey, I really need some comfort and reassurance!
He: About what?

and there you go.


fredklein ...And then she tells me what she needs comfort and reassurance about.

Ah, so you need a lead-in.
You know, this could work......but you''ll still get the 40-minute story with all the tangents....
 
2013-02-20 08:15:48 PM  
 
2013-02-20 08:19:33 PM  

browntimmy: ciberido: browntimmy: lordluzr: Two hundred comments in two hours.... Fark is a woman.

Notice how internet comments are usually relatively succinct and get the point across without superfluous information? Internet savvy people know that long text blocks will largely get ignored. This same rule applies to most men and real life conversations.

Yes, indeed, Fark comments are the very model of intelligence and succinctness.

Since I guess public school failed you, by succinct means "brief" or "expressed in few words", as in it doesn't take you 10 minutes to read each post. Where did you get intelligent from? Putting words in my mouth for the sake of arguing? Gee, that almost fits a certain stereotype being discussed in this thread.


You're really touchy today.  Is it that time of the month again, honey?
 
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