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(The New Republic)   Take this Microbrew and Shove It. Why all those crappy towns bragging about their hipster districts and artisan burritos and up-and-coming brewpub scenes are really not that cool   (newrepublic.com) divider line 290
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2013-02-20 11:05:49 AM
I'll take insufferable hipsterism anyday if it means that we don't go back to the days when Becks and Bass were high-end imports and the only place that made hamburgers with fresh beef was your house. F*ck whether it's "cool" or not, the US dining and drinking scene has improved in leaps and bounds in the last 20 years as towns of all sizes try to emulate the quality and diversity of places known for it. Get over the "hipster" vibe and enjoy a good IPA and an avocado mushroom burger.
 
2013-02-20 11:43:59 AM
I really do not know which is worse - places that are desperately trying to be cool or journalists that think they're above them.
 
2013-02-20 11:47:00 AM
It's like he completely missed the point of microbreweries.

Plus he missed the point of Portland. Portland is not the Pearl. The Pearl is an abomination.
 
2013-02-20 11:52:30 AM
As in all It Cities, Portland's status is codified by its need for recognition from outsiders, embellished by how effectively it commercializes that attention, and sustained by the intensity of its need to prove that you don't have to live in New York or L.A. to be surrounded by awesome musicians, world-class theater, and pretentious Sazerac culture.

Except that you sort of do.

Ah, there's the punchline: "Everywhere except NYC and LA suck."  He sounds miserable so hopefully he'll just stay home next time.
 
2013-02-20 11:59:02 AM
NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!!!
 
2013-02-20 12:04:56 PM
There's this strange idea that having shiatty taste is somehow more authentic than having good taste.  It's not.  It's just resentment.
 
2013-02-20 12:09:32 PM
After visiting this hotbed of cool, I can attest that it's every bit as entertaining as San Diego's savagely dullor Baltimore's prosaic Inner Harbor.

Dude, your problem is that you went to the mall and were shocked when it was just like every other mall.  This is because you're not cool.
 
2013-02-20 12:12:32 PM

Rapmaster2000: After visiting this hotbed of cool, I can attest that it's every bit as entertaining as San Diego's savagely dullor Baltimore's prosaic Inner Harbor.

Dude, your problem is that you went to the mall and were shocked when it was just like every other mall.  This is because you're not cool.


Somehow "Gaslamp District" was tagged out.  Oh, and that place is savagely dull.  A lot of cities have that.  Atlanta's Buckhead (don't let anyone tell you it was better before Ray Lewis - it was always for tourists) sucks.  Chicago's Lincoln Park is for aging fratboys.  South Beach is lame.  Sixth Street in Austin is for meatheads.  What is this guy's point?
 
2013-02-20 12:18:47 PM
Here's the entire article:
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2013-02-20 12:27:33 PM
I see you all have covered it. Good day
 
2013-02-20 12:27:35 PM
Beer snob thread!
 
2013-02-20 12:27:54 PM
I'll still take variety over conformity even if it means that some of the variety is subpar.
 
2013-02-20 12:29:13 PM

ChrisDe: Beer snob thread!


give it time. It could become a gun tread.
 
2013-02-20 12:29:29 PM
Art.. artisan burritos?  Is that like a pink taco?
 
2013-02-20 12:30:20 PM
Sounds to me like the writer prefers places like the Mall of America or the Beverly Center.
None of that craft brew and artisan shiat, just gimme a burger, coke and a t-shirt.
 
2013-02-20 12:30:44 PM

Lucky LaRue: Art.. artisan burritos?  Is that like a pink taco?



BAH-DUM-BAH!
 
2013-02-20 12:30:52 PM
Ground zero of Portland cool these days is an expanding grid called the Pearl District.

This statement right here, this one sentence, is all the proof one needs to know this guy has absolutely no clue what he's talking about.  I'm sure it's not the only one either.
 
2013-02-20 12:31:00 PM

dc0012c: I'll take insufferable hipsterism anyday if it means that we don't go back to the days when Becks and Bass were high-end imports and the only place that made hamburgers with fresh beef was your house. F*ck whether it's "cool" or not, the US dining and drinking scene has improved in leaps and bounds in the last 20 years as towns of all sizes try to emulate the quality and diversity of places known for it. Get over the "hipster" vibe and enjoy a good IPA and an avocado mushroom burger.


I grew up in New Orleans, where good food and booze was always aplenty.

Throwing a slice of flavorless US grown avocado on food is the height of hipster cooking.
 
2013-02-20 12:31:12 PM
Look everyone! It's another "hatester" vs "hipster" article (aka battle of the neck-beards).
 
2013-02-20 12:31:22 PM

Rapmaster2000: What is this guy's point?


This guy's point is that he knows cool, and none of these places are cool.
 
2013-02-20 12:31:23 PM
And maybe that's the point of it all. We're all happening now, no one better than anyone else, no city that's any more "it" than any other. Pretty cool. Or so they tell me.

"I didn't have a premise but I had a 1,000 word deadline to meet, so, here you go."
 
2013-02-20 12:31:37 PM
Wtf is dullor ??? What is that?
 
2013-02-20 12:31:47 PM
The author is more insufferable than any hipster I've ever met.
 
2013-02-20 12:32:15 PM
Whether it be a restaurant, brewery, food truck, or band, if a hipster is raving about it you can pretty much guarantee that it is awful.
 
2013-02-20 12:33:13 PM
off topic...when you scroll up or down on that stop liking what I don't like do the "k's" move....hey look a bunny!
 
Bf+
2013-02-20 12:33:26 PM
And I thought Andy Rooney was dead...
 
2013-02-20 12:33:50 PM
All those "Foodies" are really getting annoying.
That's why I've decided that all this new "good food" sucks.
 
2013-02-20 12:34:16 PM
Whar is Limburger? Whar?

/a Limburger sandwich--two slices of fresh-baked, heavy white bread and a thick slice of Limburger--used to be a working man's lunch. I await the debut of the artisanal Limburger sandwich. Or should I say torte.
 
2013-02-20 12:35:10 PM
I bet this guy gets his travel advice from Rick Steves, Fodor's, and the ads in his Rand McNally Travel Atlas.
 
2013-02-20 12:35:51 PM
I think it has been pretty well shredded so far in this thread, but wow.  What a stupid article.  The point the author is trying to make, as far as I can tell, is "I was a hipster before being a hipster was cool."

Also, this:

dc0012c: I'll take insufferable hipsterism anyday if it means that we don't go back to the days when Becks and Bass were high-end imports and the only place that made hamburgers with fresh beef was your house. F*ck whether it's "cool" or not, the US dining and drinking scene has improved in leaps and bounds in the last 20 years as towns of all sizes try to emulate the quality and diversity of places known for it. Get over the "hipster" vibe and enjoy a good IPA and an avocado mushroom burger.

 
2013-02-20 12:36:09 PM

Citrate1007: The author is more insufferable than any hipster I've ever met.


If only there were a product that could remove the sand that is irritating him and leave him as fresh as a summer's eve.
 
2013-02-20 12:36:12 PM
I'll take insufferable hipsterism anyday if it means that we don't go back to the days when Becks and Bass were high-end imports and the only place that made hamburgers with fresh beef was your house. F*ck whether it's "cool" or not, the US dining and drinking scene has improved in leaps and bounds in the last 20 years as towns of all sizes try to emulate the quality and diversity of places known for it. Get over the "hipster" vibe and enjoy a good IPA and an avocado mushroom burger.

I grew up in New Orleans, where good food and booze was always aplenty.

Throwing a slice of flavorless US grown avocado on food is the height of hipster cooking.



I actually agree with both of you.
 
2013-02-20 12:37:25 PM
Well, gentrified brewpubs ARE douchebag magnets.
 
2013-02-20 12:37:41 PM
Sorry, dude, but Nashville has had PLENTY of 'hipster' locales. They just dress them in millions of faux-country dollars. And CHATTANOOGA? That place is a dump - nice aquarium, though...
 
2013-02-20 12:38:03 PM
What a huge jackass.
 
2013-02-20 12:38:09 PM
I like how everyone now puts the word "artisan" in front of their product name.  The only purpose of it is to justify charging an extra 50% on top of what it really should cost.
 
2013-02-20 12:38:18 PM

oldfarthenry: Look everyone! It's another "hatester" vs "hipster" article (aka battle of the neck-beards).


stay out of this fight Canuckian. You drink milk. And you drink it from bags. To wash down some French fries dipped in something that dripped from Satan's teat.

/ speaking of teats

i623.photobucket.com

/lucky, lucky, lucky bastard
 
2013-02-20 12:38:39 PM

dc0012c: I'll take insufferable hipsterism anyday if it means that we don't go back to the days when Becks and Bass were high-end imports...


This.

Personally, I'm glad all of the beers I like are now more widely available at most of the bars I frequent.

I don't miss the days of sticking with the shiatty beer that sucked least while out with friends.
 
2013-02-20 12:38:40 PM
Wow... I actually have phantom sympathy symptom rectal discomfort from the amount of unadulterated BUTTHURT I just exposed myself to.

/won't be able to sit right for weeks.
//homebrews
 
2013-02-20 12:38:57 PM
so, was there anything on earth that this guy said he liked?  or does he exist just to poop on everything.
 
2013-02-20 12:40:12 PM

cgraves67: I'll still take variety over conformity even if it means that some of the variety is subpar.


Except that these provincial wannabe Portlands are all racing to conform to a template that actually squeezes out variety. As long as it means I can get good beer and food, and there's a club that books the bands that I want to see, I don't mind too much. But do admit that these local scenes aren't developing anything unique, they're trying to create instant Brooklyns.
 
kab
2013-02-20 12:41:09 PM
But there are few more insufferable banalities in modern urban life than a town recently deemed cool self absorbed, whiny journalist.

Fixed.  And don't worry, Chucky, if you keep driving past all these mortifying small businesses, you'll eventually see a golden arches, or even a Wal Mart sign, and be able to breath a bit easier.
 
2013-02-20 12:41:37 PM
This guy's point eludes me.

First, he's bemoaning cities that used to be honest (dull) places for authentic salt-of-the-earth people to live their lives, and then become a pretentious Mecca for bohemians.  Okay, I've heard that line before.

But then, he whines about how unimpressed he was by all the "it" cities he visited.  Dude, if you're the one visiting, then what the Hell is the argument here?  They're gentrifying your neighborhood into something edgy, and dammit these neighborhoods aren't edgy enough!  It's the hipster version of "this food sucks and the portions are too small."

Nevermind the fact that if all these towns decided to be Plano, Illinois, they'd still be unimpressive and exactly alike if you visited them---except now you're visiting a town whose dining options are a Subway, and it's closed on sundays after 5.
 
2013-02-20 12:41:41 PM

Lumpmoose: As in all It Cities, Portland's status is codified by its need for recognition from outsiders, embellished by how effectively it commercializes that attention, and sustained by the intensity of its need to prove that you don't have to live in New York or L.A. to be surrounded by awesome musicians, world-class theater, and pretentious Sazerac culture.

Except that you sort of do.

Ah, there's the punchline: "Everywhere except NYC and LA suck."  He sounds miserable so hopefully he'll just stay home next time.


If this jackass wants banal, boring culture, I kindly invite him to Rapid shiatty, South Dakota. His stupid pretentious ass will do what I want to do: blow my brains out rather than imagine the next 30 years here. I would kill to move back to East Tennessee. I'm trying but am having no luck.
 
2013-02-20 12:41:46 PM
Oh good, another thread where taste and preference gets to be rated.  News flash.  We are all individuals.  Our tastes in art, women, men, beer, food, color, housing, cars, etc. will vary.  It's a personal thing and truly unique to the individual.  If this were not the case wouldn't it stand to reason that places we individually abhor go out of business?  After all, we don't like it why would anyone else go there?
 
2013-02-20 12:41:54 PM

Lumpmoose: Ah, there's the punchline: "Everywhere except NYC and LA suck." He sounds miserable so hopefully he'll just stay home next time.


Having done my time in New York, and having left, I like the perspective I have on it after the fact. Cities like NY and LA... everyone moves to with expectations. Like, nobody moves to NY or LA because they want to goof around, maybe get a job, hang out with buddies, drink a bunch and occasionally fall asleep on the lawn. People move there because they aspire to become something more than they are, and they see the city as instrumental to that ambition. The costs are high, you have to hustle constantly to keep your head above water, so to justify your own choices and sacrifices, you have to constantly denigrate everyone who has made the choice to live anywhere except for the city you are struggling so hard to make it in. If their lives are easier, it's because, in some way, they are not as serious as you. And if their smaller, cheaper city has anything going for it, any sort of scene, it's only because, in your mind, the "hipsters" there are desperate to make their city resemble your city. Because, of course, your city is the only real city.

The thing that bothered me the most about New York is that any kind of success I had for myself inspired resent in the people around me, and I felt myself slipping into that as well, resenting people who managed to find success, instead of being happy for them. It's not how I want to interact with the world, and I'm much happier for having left.
 
2013-02-20 12:42:37 PM

HollandRivers: Wtf is dullor ??? What is that?



1.0165 Canadian dollars, but with less colour
 
2013-02-20 12:43:24 PM
antihipsters are just as annoying.

but now I am b*tching about a guy b*tching about what he doesn't like. Things will implode shortly.
 
2013-02-20 12:44:27 PM
www.mathieucieters.com

/Hotter than Bhut Jolokia infused taffy from pulled from ancient salt pot waters
 
2013-02-20 12:44:28 PM
Wow. they put Poughkeepsie in that article. Cool? Hipster? No, still pretty much trash.

Though you may want to drive a few more minutes north up Route 9.

www.hydeparkbrewing.moonfruit.com
 
2013-02-20 12:45:14 PM
Applebee's serves Budweiser.
 
2013-02-20 12:45:19 PM
Summary: I used to be with it but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it and what's it seems weird  and scary to me.
 
2013-02-20 12:45:47 PM

j.lunatic: cgraves67: I'll still take variety over conformity even if it means that some of the variety is subpar.

Except that these provincial wannabe Portlands are all racing to conform to a template that actually squeezes out variety. As long as it means I can get good beer and food, and there's a club that books the bands that I want to see, I don't mind too much. But do admit that these local scenes aren't developing anything unique, they're trying to create instant Brooklyns.


They may be conforming to another model, but it's a model with some built-in variety. Consider the alternative landscape of McDonalds, Applebees, and Bud Light that these types of places are replacing.
 
2013-02-20 12:45:51 PM

busy chillin': Applebee's serves Budweiser.


Let's order something "grilled".
 
2013-02-20 12:46:33 PM

tricycleracer: busy chillin': Applebee's serves Budweiser.

Let's order something "grilled".


Eatin' good in the neighborhood!
 
2013-02-20 12:47:07 PM

busy chillin': tricycleracer: busy chillin': Applebee's serves Budweiser.

Let's order something "grilled".

Eatin' good in the neighborhood!


http://www.theonion.com/video/new-ad-urges-hipsters-to-go-to-applebe es -ironicall,28721/
 
kab
2013-02-20 12:47:26 PM

belhade: Wow. they put Poughkeepsie in that article. Cool? Hipster? No, still pretty much trash.

Though you may want to drive a few more minutes north up Route 9.

[www.hydeparkbrewing.moonfruit.com image 525x269]


They moved?   Did they not used to be south of the city, or am I imagining things?

/haven't been down that way in years.
 
2013-02-20 12:47:48 PM
Oh noes!  Does this mean that this whiney bastard won't be moving to my town which is generally recognized as cool and has lots of good beer?  How will we ever survive?  I hope he let's the people who live her know, so that they can leave too. Otherwise, how will they ever learn that they don't live somewhere cool?

/bah
//author sounds fat and angry
 
2013-02-20 12:47:53 PM
You know why I hate hipster places? Because everyone goes to hiptser places. Everyone tries to be "cool" by eating at these restaurants and drinking at their bars. Sure, the food is pretty good. But the crowds and wait times absolutely kill it. And, having to hear everyone say "OMG OMG OMG! If you haven't eaten at XXX, then you haven't lived! They name their chickens before they kill em. They only use locally grown XXXX" It's a formula to get people to come to your place. And yes, it can work out, but I just want to have a restaurant that says "here I am, come and eat" and stops trying to be pretentious about their "story" and the ingredients and the story they are trying to tell with their ingredients.
 
2013-02-20 12:48:09 PM
hmmmm, I'm guessing he's 'in to' cute hipster chicks, but can't pull off that look, or isn't cool enough to bag one. It's ok guy, they have the mental maturity of a 12 year old, unless that's your bag baby.
 
2013-02-20 12:50:16 PM
I thought the point of this article is that constantly naming new "It Cities" is pretty dumb. I would have thought that the average farker would be 100% behind this point. Am I totally off base here?
 
2013-02-20 12:50:26 PM

belhade: Wow. they put Poughkeepsie in that article. Cool? Hipster? No, still pretty much trash.

Though you may want to drive a few more minutes north up Route 9.

[www.hydeparkbrewing.moonfruit.com image 525x269]


Hyde Park Brewing.  Nice choice.  Though I'm more partial to Keegan's.  Mothers Milk is rather tasty.
 
2013-02-20 12:51:04 PM

tricycleracer: busy chillin': tricycleracer: busy chillin': Applebee's serves Budweiser.

Let's order something "grilled".

Eatin' good in the neighborhood!

http://www.theonion.com/video/new-ad-urges-hipsters-to-go-to-applebe es -ironicall,28721/


That was great
 
2013-02-20 12:51:12 PM

dc0012c: I'll take insufferable hipsterism anyday if it means that we don't go back to the days when Becks and Bass were high-end imports and the only place that made hamburgers with fresh beef was your house. F*ck whether it's "cool" or not, the US dining and drinking scene has improved in leaps and bounds in the last 20 years as towns of all sizes try to emulate the quality and diversity of places known for it. Get over the "hipster" vibe and enjoy a good IPA and an avocado mushroom burger.


Why would you drink an IPA with an avocado mushroom burger?  The hops will overbear on the avocado.  Savage.
A true pilsner, koelsch style, or black lager would work much better with the mushroom and avocado.
 
2013-02-20 12:51:29 PM

dc0012c: I'll take insufferable hipsterism anyday if it means that we don't go back to the days when Becks and Bass were high-end imports and the only place that made hamburgers with fresh beef was your house. F*ck whether it's "cool" or not, the US dining and drinking scene has improved in leaps and bounds in the last 20 years as towns of all sizes try to emulate the quality and diversity of places known for it. Get over the "hipster" vibe and enjoy a good IPA and an avocado mushroom burger.


This.  With the exception of avocado on a burger.
 
2013-02-20 12:52:47 PM
I for one like hanging out where you can get a good beer, decent food, good music, and be around people with similar interests and age. Does that make me a hipster? I doubt it, but keep farking that "OMGhipsterssuck" chicken, middle aged boring guy.
 
2013-02-20 12:53:09 PM

kidgenius: but I just want to have a restaurant that says "here I am, come and eat" and stops trying to be pretentious about their "story" and the ingredients and the story they are trying to tell with their ingredients.


i believe they call that the "olive garden" and they can be found in many of the nations more classical strip mall locations.
 
2013-02-20 12:54:26 PM

Xcott: It's the hipster version of "this food sucks and the portions are too small."


Well said.
 
2013-02-20 12:54:42 PM
bluefox3681:
A true pilsner, koelsch style, or black lager .

Dear lord, NO.

I have yet to taste one that didn't taste like a glorified Budwiser.

Ales, Stouts, or GTFO
 
2013-02-20 12:55:13 PM

NASAM: dc0012c: I'll take insufferable hipsterism anyday if it means that we don't go back to the days when Becks and Bass were high-end imports and the only place that made hamburgers with fresh beef was your house. F*ck whether it's "cool" or not, the US dining and drinking scene has improved in leaps and bounds in the last 20 years as towns of all sizes try to emulate the quality and diversity of places known for it. Get over the "hipster" vibe and enjoy a good IPA and an avocado mushroom burger.

This.  With the exception of avocado on a burger.


And let me add cilantro, cilantro should only be used sparingly, as in half a tea spoon, not a handful over the plate.
 
2013-02-20 12:55:51 PM

tlchwi02: kidgenius: but I just want to have a restaurant that says "here I am, come and eat" and stops trying to be pretentious about their "story" and the ingredients and the story they are trying to tell with their ingredients.

i believe they call that the "olive garden" and they can be found in many of the nations more classical strip mall locations.


Ya know, Olive Garden isn't really terrible. Is it great food? Hell no. Is it serviceable? Sure. But at the same time, you can still have a restaurant making great food that isn't an olive garden, but also isn't trying to be pretentious about not trying to be pretentious.
 
2013-02-20 12:57:35 PM
San Diego is a great food town, but I can see where it can get a "hispster" moniker...wouldn't be from Gaslamp though.  More likely Pacific Beach, Ocean Beach, Northpark or Mission Hills (Urban Solace, Bleu Bistro).

I do like the variety of beers available in local liquor stores as well as "normal" bars and pubs.
 
2013-02-20 12:57:39 PM
blog.treadmilldoctor.com

"Oh look.  You're actually proud of your town's local food and culture.  You'll still never be as cool as me."
 
2013-02-20 12:57:48 PM
Privy to the best beers in the world......Thanks Maumee Bay Brewery and Jon for makin'  them. Something good about Toledo ;)
 
2013-02-20 12:58:16 PM
I'm glad I don't drink beer any more.  I just drink the hard stuff to forget about what a shiatty day I had.
 
2013-02-20 12:58:21 PM
if I had a believable european accent I'd go into these hipster bars with their obscure beers, order one, say it tastes like shiat and go on a rant about how great european beer is, order coors light, and say this is not a bad american beer.
if they had lenses in their hipster glasses they'd be fogged over from the anger.
 
2013-02-20 12:58:24 PM
Is this the guy after whom The Onion modeled their editorial cartoonist "Kelly"? What an annoying prick.
 
2013-02-20 12:59:12 PM

theflatline: NASAM: dc0012c: I'll take insufferable hipsterism anyday if it means that we don't go back to the days when Becks and Bass were high-end imports and the only place that made hamburgers with fresh beef was your house. F*ck whether it's "cool" or not, the US dining and drinking scene has improved in leaps and bounds in the last 20 years as towns of all sizes try to emulate the quality and diversity of places known for it. Get over the "hipster" vibe and enjoy a good IPA and an avocado mushroom burger.

This.  With the exception of avocado on a burger.

And let me add cilantro, cilantro should only be used sparingly, as in half a tea spoon, not a handful over the plate.


I'd appreciate if modern cuisine would decide salt is not some weak-flavored herb that has to be piled into every dish. The farking French even put crystals of it in their caramels.
 
2013-02-20 01:01:38 PM

kidgenius: You know why I hate hipster places? Because everyone goes to hiptser places. Everyone tries to be "cool" by eating at these restaurants and drinking at their bars. Sure, the food is pretty good. But the crowds and wait times absolutely kill it. And, having to hear everyone say "OMG OMG OMG! If you haven't eaten at XXX, then you haven't lived! They name their chickens before they kill em. They only use locally grown XXXX" It's a formula to get people to come to your place. And yes, it can work out, but I just want to have a restaurant that says "here I am, come and eat" and stops trying to be pretentious about their "story" and the ingredients and the story they are trying to tell with their ingredients.


When I was at Purdue I would eat  at XXX every Saturday with my wife.  If you haven't had their breakfast you haven't lived.

castorrated.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-20 01:02:56 PM
Done in 2.
 
2013-02-20 01:03:04 PM

HollandRivers: Privy to the best beers in the world......Thanks Maumee Bay Brewery and Jon for makin'  them. Something good about Toledo ;)


Oh hell fark yeah. I love Maumee Bay and the resurrected Buckeye Beer. The rest of their stuff is great too. I need to get some, somehow.
 
2013-02-20 01:04:35 PM

CoonAce: Well, gentrified brewpubs ARE douchebag magnets.


That might depend on the town. Some towns just have way too many DBs (and not enough brewpubs to spread 'em out).
 
2013-02-20 01:05:44 PM

SurelyShirley: CoonAce: Well, gentrified brewpubs ARE douchebag magnets.

That might depend on the town. Some towns just have way too many DBs (and not enough brewpubs to spread 'em out).


That's no way to talk about Boston.
 
2013-02-20 01:06:15 PM
So, in other words, Hipsters are overwhelmingly democratic voters.  Gotcha.  We should all hate them.  Never mind that you can just eat the good food and drink the good beer and forget about the rest of that crap, no we need to be REAL Americans and eat shiat and drink pisswater light.

Why are republicans against small businesses?  I thought they were pro small businesses.
 
2013-02-20 01:06:36 PM

satanorsanta: kidgenius: You know why I hate hipster places? Because everyone goes to hiptser places. Everyone tries to be "cool" by eating at these restaurants and drinking at their bars. Sure, the food is pretty good. But the crowds and wait times absolutely kill it. And, having to hear everyone say "OMG OMG OMG! If you haven't eaten at XXX, then you haven't lived! They name their chickens before they kill em. They only use locally grown XXXX" It's a formula to get people to come to your place. And yes, it can work out, but I just want to have a restaurant that says "here I am, come and eat" and stops trying to be pretentious about their "story" and the ingredients and the story they are trying to tell with their ingredients.

When I was at Purdue I would eat  at XXX every Saturday with my wife.  If you haven't had their breakfast you haven't lived.

[castorrated.files.wordpress.com image 300x201]


Ha.  I thought of the the XXX in Lafayette when I read that as well.  That's a must stop whenever I'm in town.
 
2013-02-20 01:07:41 PM

trotsky: Lumpmoose: As in all It Cities, Portland's status is codified by its need for recognition from outsiders, embellished by how effectively it commercializes that attention, and sustained by the intensity of its need to prove that you don't have to live in New York or L.A. to be surrounded by awesome musicians, world-class theater, and pretentious Sazerac culture.

Except that you sort of do.

Ah, there's the punchline: "Everywhere except NYC and LA suck."  He sounds miserable so hopefully he'll just stay home next time.

If this jackass wants banal, boring culture, I kindly invite him to Rapid shiatty, South Dakota. His stupid pretentious ass will do what I want to do: blow my brains out rather than imagine the next 30 years here. I would kill to move back to East Tennessee. I'm trying but am having no luck.


Come to Sioux Falls. It's like Rapid City with less tourists and things to do. Also, close proximity to the Cities helps.

Picked up a growler of Surly Furious last week. That was some damn good IPA.

/yay beer snob thread
 
2013-02-20 01:07:44 PM

Lando Lincoln: I really do not know which is worse - places that are desperately trying to be cool or journalists that think they're above them.


Well, the important thing is that you've found a way to feel superior to both

/http://xkcd.com/774/
 
2013-02-20 01:07:47 PM
I think a lot of posters so far have missed most the points of the article.  The author is basically saying the following...

1. The brew pud district and indy band shows that your city has aren't special or unique.  Dozens and dozens of other cities across the country have the same thing going on.
2. Youth culture, by virtue of inexperience, doesn't always know what the finer, more enjoyable things in life are.
3. Hipsterism isn't cool.  It might not be "uncool", but if you classify something that everyone is doing as "cool", then it looses any meaning.
4. Cities seem to be obsessed with convincing outsiders that they really are cooler than other cities.
 
2013-02-20 01:09:09 PM

positronica


1. The brew pud district


Freudian slip is Freudian.
 
2013-02-20 01:11:07 PM
I thought the author was mad because now people in every decently sized city can have hamburgers with cheeses other than American and beers that don't come from Coors or Anheiser Busch.
 
2013-02-20 01:11:55 PM
I stopped reading as soon as the author equated craft beer with hipsterdom.
 
2013-02-20 01:12:24 PM
Sunset magazine is always featuring the new trendiest spots for funny named food and beverages.
 
2013-02-20 01:13:48 PM

kidgenius: You know why I hate hipster places? Because everyone goes to hiptser places. Everyone tries to be "cool" by eating at these restaurants and drinking at their bars. Sure, the food is pretty good. But the crowds and wait times absolutely kill it. And, having to hear everyone say "OMG OMG OMG! If you haven't eaten at XXX, then you haven't lived! They name their chickens before they kill em. They only use locally grown XXXX" It's a formula to get people to come to your place. And yes, it can work out, but I just want to have a restaurant that says "here I am, come and eat" and stops trying to be pretentious about their "story" and the ingredients and the story they are trying to tell with their ingredients.


It's what pisses me off about hipster food places, granted there are some that are experimenting and trying new things but can be knock off the long-winded personal screeds already!

Or selling the "atmosphere" instead of concentrating on your dishes, I don't care how twee your restaurant is, I want good food, in reasonable portions (DO NOT give me a meatball-sized hamburger*) for a good price.

/*School in Toronto, thankfully I wasn't paying for that lunch
//http://www.yelp.ca/biz/school-bakery-and-cafe-toronto-2
 
2013-02-20 01:13:50 PM
I'm not really getting the author's point, unless it's Cranky Curmudgeon Would Prefer Bud Lite & Frozen Pizza To Fresh, Locally-Made Food & Beer.
 
2013-02-20 01:14:31 PM
Artisanal ice cream, gluten-free pizza, burrito trucks run by real Mexicans, jalapeño-infused margaritas, celebrity graffiti sprayers, and First Thursday art walks in revitalized industrial zones promoted by farsighted civic planners armed with government tax schemes-these are the totems of It City.

So burrito trucks run by real Mexicans is a sign of being a hip city? The Chamber of Commerce in every California Central Valley town are going to be ecstatic at this revelation. Can't tell you how many times I've drove by Chowchilla on Hgwy 99 and not realized that it was an It City.
 
2013-02-20 01:16:32 PM
It's okay, Fark. Hipsters are not going to invade your mom's basement.
 
2013-02-20 01:16:38 PM

Snargi: Artisanal ice cream, gluten-free pizza, burrito trucks run by real Mexicans, jalapeño-infused margaritas, celebrity graffiti sprayers, and First Thursday art walks in revitalized industrial zones promoted by farsighted civic planners armed with government tax schemes-these are the totems of It City.

So burrito trucks run by real Mexicans is a sign of being a hip city? The Chamber of Commerce in every California Central Valley town are is going to be ecstatic at this revelation. Can't tell you how many times I've drove by Chowchilla on Hgwy 99 and not realized that it was an It City.


/Forgot to preview before adding
 
2013-02-20 01:18:40 PM

deanis: I for one like hanging out where you can get a good beer, decent food, good music, and be around people with similar interests and age. Does that make me a hipster? I doubt it, but keep farking that "OMGhipsterssuck" chicken, middle aged boring guy.


If you hang out with hipsters, go to hipster bars, eat hipster food, drink hipster beer, listen to hipster music and get offended when people call you a hipster, you are a hipster.
 
2013-02-20 01:18:43 PM

CoonAce: Well, gentrified brewpubs ARE douchebag magnets.


For the most part I'd have to say... THIS.
 
2013-02-20 01:18:54 PM

dc0012c: I'll take insufferable hipsterism anyday if it means that we don't go back to the days when Becks and Bass were high-end imports and the only place that made hamburgers with fresh beef was your house. F*ck whether it's "cool" or not, the US dining and drinking scene has improved in leaps and bounds in the last 20 years as towns of all sizes try to emulate the quality and diversity of places known for it. Get over the "hipster" vibe and enjoy a good IPA and an avocado mushroom burger.


this this and more this.

After having a Bell's Hopslam and an Avocado Burger, I'm never going back.  NEVER!
 
2013-02-20 01:19:06 PM

bingethinker: It's okay, Fark. Hipsters are not going to invade your mom's basement.


but it's so cool down there...
 
2013-02-20 01:19:56 PM
satanorsanta:
When I was at Purdue I would eat  at XXX every Saturday with my wife.  If you haven't had their breakfast you haven't lived.

[castorrated.files.wordpress.com image 300x201]


Best heat attack I've ever had was after Purdue beat OU in 2011 was at the Triple-X.  Oh sweet Jesus I have dreams about that sandwich. MMmmmmm...

/ Not a Boilermaker
// Arnie's is better IMO.
 
2013-02-20 01:19:59 PM

SnarfVader: It's like he completely missed the point of microbreweries.

Plus he missed the point of Portland. Portland is not the Pearl. The Pearl Portland

 is an abomination.

imageshack.us 
They're going to shoot a "Real World, Portland". O_o
 
2013-02-20 01:20:05 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: positronica

1. The brew pud district


Freudian slip is Freudian.


LOL!
 
2013-02-20 01:22:04 PM
www.toplessrobot.com

0 megafonzies .
 
2013-02-20 01:22:26 PM
Since I don't drink better I always wonder about the so called superiority of these tiny little brewing companies that only produce locally.

If your product is so superior to anything I can purchase at a decent grocery store... Why aren't you selling it there?
 
2013-02-20 01:23:16 PM

shortymac: kidgenius: You know why I hate hipster places? Because everyone goes to hiptser places. Everyone tries to be "cool" by eating at these restaurants and drinking at their bars. Sure, the food is pretty good. But the crowds and wait times absolutely kill it. And, having to hear everyone say "OMG OMG OMG! If you haven't eaten at XXX, then you haven't lived! They name their chickens before they kill em. They only use locally grown XXXX" It's a formula to get people to come to your place. And yes, it can work out, but I just want to have a restaurant that says "here I am, come and eat" and stops trying to be pretentious about their "story" and the ingredients and the story they are trying to tell with their ingredients.

It's what pisses me off about hipster food places, granted there are some that are experimenting and trying new things but can be knock off the long-winded personal screeds already!

Or selling the "atmosphere" instead of concentrating on your dishes, I don't care how twee your restaurant is, I want good food, in reasonable portions (DO NOT give me a meatball-sized hamburger*) for a good price.

/*School in Toronto, thankfully I wasn't paying for that lunch
//http://www.yelp.ca/biz/school-bakery-and-cafe-toronto-2


I clicked on the link.  That ain't hipster.  That's tourist.
 
2013-02-20 01:24:13 PM
media.avclub.com
 
2013-02-20 01:25:34 PM
Author appears to have a wonderous case of "get off my lawn.... which is a combination of artisanal crab grass and bavarian wheat stalks and some of those clover things that you probably haven't heard of". A real douche.

/ Wonder what his Fark handle is?
 
2013-02-20 01:28:47 PM

Lando Lincoln: I really do not know which is worse - places that are desperately trying to be cool or journalists that think they're above them.


The ultimate in hipsterdom - a journalist trying to find a cleverly worded way to bash hipsters!
 
2013-02-20 01:34:14 PM

deanis: I for one like hanging out where you can get a good beer, decent food, good music, and be around people with similar interests and age. Does that make me a hipster?


No.  In order to become a hipster, you will need to:

1.  Swap out your wardrobe with clothes discarded by your blind Uncle Murray back in 1973.
2.  Even if your eyesight is 20/20, find and wear a pair of glasses from 1950's Soviet Russia.
3.  Stop listening to music, and fill your iPod with mp3 transfers of soundtracks from old industrial training films.
4.  Once you get all your friends to gather regularly at a place you all like, declare it "over", and insist that everyone start hanging out at the newsstand outside the bus depot, because the hot dog vendor adds paprika to his relish, and it's "amazing".
 
2013-02-20 01:37:03 PM

Rapmaster2000: shortymac: kidgenius: You know why I hate hipster places? Because everyone goes to hiptser places. Everyone tries to be "cool" by eating at these restaurants and drinking at their bars. Sure, the food is pretty good. But the crowds and wait times absolutely kill it. And, having to hear everyone say "OMG OMG OMG! If you haven't eaten at XXX, then you haven't lived! They name their chickens before they kill em. They only use locally grown XXXX" It's a formula to get people to come to your place. And yes, it can work out, but I just want to have a restaurant that says "here I am, come and eat" and stops trying to be pretentious about their "story" and the ingredients and the story they are trying to tell with their ingredients.

It's what pisses me off about hipster food places, granted there are some that are experimenting and trying new things but can be knock off the long-winded personal screeds already!

Or selling the "atmosphere" instead of concentrating on your dishes, I don't care how twee your restaurant is, I want good food, in reasonable portions (DO NOT give me a meatball-sized hamburger*) for a good price.

/*School in Toronto, thankfully I wasn't paying for that lunch
//http://www.yelp.ca/biz/school-bakery-and-cafe-toronto-2

I clicked on the link.  That ain't hipster.  That's tourist.


Liberty village is "hipster with a trust fund" central for Toronto. When I was working nearby my co-workers all raved about it,definitely not "tourist".

/Parkdale is for hipsters without money
//Just starting to gentrify
 
2013-02-20 01:37:13 PM

bingethinker: It's okay, Fark. Hipsters are not going to invade your mom's basement.


Not even after they get a whiff of her artisanal vagina spray?
 
2013-02-20 01:37:53 PM

trotsky: If this jackass wants banal, boring culture, I kindly invite him to Rapid shiatty, South Dakota. His stupid pretentious ass will do what I want to do: blow my brains out rather than imagine the next 30 years here. I would kill to move back to East Tennessee. I'm trying but am having no luck.


Having lived in both South Dakota and East Tennessee.  I would avoid both.
 
2013-02-20 01:43:42 PM

SnarfVader: It's like he completely missed the point of microbreweries.

Plus he missed the point of Portland. Portland is not the Pearl. The Pearl is an abomination.


The neighborhoods he name dropped in every city he mentioned that I'm familiar with are the tourist friendly samples of the cities, but not the actual cool parts of them.

He may claim to be well traveled but it seemed to me like he never leaves the beaten path to find the neighborhoods that would really represent an area.
 
2013-02-20 01:45:14 PM

JimmyFartpants: I stopped reading as soon as the author equated craft beer with hipsterdom.


I stopped after the first two sentences. I figured if the "author" had that much sand in his vag about microbreweries, his opinions weren't worth the time wasted reading them.
 
2013-02-20 01:45:46 PM
"After visiting [Sacramento] this hotbed of cool, I can attest that it's every bit as entertaining asSan Diego's savagely dull Gaslamp Quarter..."

He obviously hasn't visited it during Mardi Gras or Comicon.
Chuck Thompson is too caught up in hating the hype to enjoy the purpose of it all. And with such a hipster name to boot.
 
2013-02-20 01:47:37 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: JimmyFartpants: I stopped reading as soon as the author equated craft beer with hipsterdom.

I stopped after the first two sentences. I figured if the "author" had that much sand in his vag about microbreweries, his opinions weren't worth the time wasted reading them.


There's some damn good cynical hatred in that article, however.  It was worth the time to read it anyway.
 
2013-02-20 01:48:12 PM
I'm a hipster. There, I said it.

I am not all things hipster. I do not wear skinny jeans. I do not wear a scarf and Tom's. I enjoy sports.

What makes me a hipster apparently? I like good craft beer. I like good food, including experimentation with food. I like some music that would be considered obscure to some people........

My question is this: Is it the things that I like that make someone a hipster, or is it somebody who likes those things but is a pretentious douche bag about it? Or is it that a "hipster" is just a blanket name for people who don't like what you like?
 
2013-02-20 01:50:17 PM

kidgenius: tlchwi02: kidgenius: but I just want to have a restaurant that says "here I am, come and eat" and stops trying to be pretentious about their "story" and the ingredients and the story they are trying to tell with their ingredients.

i believe they call that the "olive garden" and they can be found in many of the nations more classical strip mall locations.

Ya know, Olive Garden isn't really terrible. Is it great food? Hell no. Is it serviceable? Sure. But at the same time, you can still have a restaurant making great food that isn't an olive garden, but also isn't trying to be pretentious about not trying to be pretentious.


Damn straight.  Who doesn't like a nice can of spaghetti now and again?
 
2013-02-20 01:52:35 PM
I dislike hipsters as much as the next guy...but the snideness in this article takes the author out of "regular person being annoyed by pretentious hipsters" territory and straight into "too hip to be a hipster, therefore a superhipster" territory.
 
2013-02-20 01:54:30 PM
I can't take anyone seriously who thinks Baltimore is hipster or at least thought it was supposed to be hipster.

Especially the inner harbour.  The inner harbour is the opposite of hipster.  It's all chain restaurant and stores and more megacorp, including federal national aquarium, and state maryland science center.  Don't get wrong, it's a fun time especially the science center and aquarium, but not hipster central.

The hot spots for young adults in Bmore are Fells Point and Federal Hill.  Except these have been the young adult parts of Bmore since like.. the 90s as far I can remember (maybe longer).  The bars and pubs there are really old and aren't new to the "scene".  The live music in these places isn't new, it's been going on for a while.  And people don't go there because it's "Cool" they go there because of the delicious food, beer, and most people are young adults and trying to socialize and make sexytime.

What's also hilarious is that you never see hipsters at the best crab cake restaurant in MD: G and M restaurant.  It's in a older, ghetto-looking area, and the demographic of customers is around 80% black.  Having grown up in MD and lived in Bmore, black heavy demographics don't bother me, but apparently scare off the hipster crowd. And I don't go to G+M cause it's cool, I go cause they have the best crab cakes in the nation (very little filler, jumbo lump, big as shiat, and only $12).  But I probably shouldn't have told you all this. Maybe it'll become trendy now. Oh noes.
 
2013-02-20 01:55:07 PM

Snargi: Artisanal ice cream, gluten-free pizza, burrito trucks run by real Mexicans, jalapeño-infused margaritas, celebrity graffiti sprayers, and First Thursday art walks in revitalized industrial zones promoted by farsighted civic planners armed with government tax schemes-these are the totems of It City.

So burrito trucks run by real Mexicans is a sign of being a hip city? The Chamber of Commerce in every California Central Valley town are going to be ecstatic at this revelation. Can't tell you how many times I've drove by Chowchilla on Hgwy 99 and not realized that it was an It City.


I'm always amazed by people who think illegals who broke the law getting here and break the law by staying here will respect the food-handling laws. The ones who ran a taco truck out of my neighbor's house certainly didn't.

/of course, I'm amazed that I think anyone respects food-handling laws
/not all illegals are Mexicans, not all Mexicans are illegals, not all taco trucks will give you listeria
/it can take 70 days for listeria to kick in anyways...next customer please
 
2013-02-20 01:55:23 PM

Bell's Boy: I'm a hipster. There, I said it.

I am not all things hipster. I do not wear skinny jeans. I do not wear a scarf and Tom's. I enjoy sports.

What makes me a hipster apparently? I like good craft beer. I like good food, including experimentation with food. I like some music that would be considered obscure to some people........

My question is this: Is it the things that I like that make someone a hipster, or is it somebody who likes those things but is a pretentious douche bag about it? Or is it that a "hipster" is just a blanket name for people who don't like what you like?


The pretentious douche thing I think

/I am down with the good food and craft beer also
 
2013-02-20 01:55:25 PM
A tasty new treat is the new Double IPA from Portside Distillery - www.portsidedistillery.com. Very, very tasty! Should be more widely available soon.
 
2013-02-20 01:56:11 PM
Author sounds fat ... extremely, grosely obese, in fact.
 
2013-02-20 01:56:47 PM

positronica: 1. The brew pud district and indy band shows that your city has aren't special or unique.


Bullshiat. I guarantee you that if a beer is brewed on premises, it's going to taste different than the beers brewed a couple of towns over, and will taste very different from a brewery a couple hundred miles away.

Therefore, by definition, drinking there is a "unique" experience.

takes you to that cool little place in the downtown renaissance district where they actually make their own beer-So cool! Nobody does that, right?

I think you and the author miss the point. The fact that they make their own beer isn't the "cool and unique" part. The beer itself is (potentially) the "cool and unique" part.
 
2013-02-20 01:57:49 PM

positronica: I think a lot of posters so far have missed most the points of the article.  The author is basically saying the following...

1. The brew pub district and indy band shows that your city has aren't special or unique.  Dozens and dozens of other cities across the country have the same thing going on.
2. Youth culture, by virtue of inexperience, doesn't always know what the finer, more enjoyable things in life are.
3. Hipsterism isn't cool.  It might not be "uncool", but if you classify something that everyone is doing as "cool", then it looses any meaning.
4. Cities seem to be obsessed with convincing outsiders that they really are cooler than other cities.


Hey, finally, halfway through the comments and we find someone with decent reading comprehension.  The rest are either dumb, skimmed the article, or feel an annoying twinge of recognition about their own 'burg and/or lives.
 
2013-02-20 01:59:20 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Mitch Taylor's Bro: JimmyFartpants: I stopped reading as soon as the author equated craft beer with hipsterdom.

I stopped after the first two sentences. I figured if the "author" had that much sand in his vag about microbreweries, his opinions weren't worth the time wasted reading them.

There's some damn good cynical hatred in that article, however.  It was worth the time to read it anyway.


I have enough of that. I'm fast approaching critical mass for cynical hatred, kids on my lawn, et cetera.
 
2013-02-20 01:59:42 PM

randomjsa: Since I don't drink better I always wonder about the so called superiority of these tiny little brewing companies that only produce locally.

If your product is so superior to anything I can purchase at a decent grocery store... Why aren't you selling it there?


It probably isn't superior. Anchor Brewing Company and Sierra Nevada Brewing Company both recently announced they will be opening new brewing facilities. They make damn fine "craft beer" and you can buy in your local grocery store.

If a beer is only distributed through vegan food trucks, chances are it sucks.
 
2013-02-20 02:00:23 PM

GregInIndy: positronica: I think a lot of posters so far have missed most the points of the article.  The author is basically saying the following...

1. The brew pub district and indy band shows that your city has aren't special or unique.  Dozens and dozens of other cities across the country have the same thing going on.
2. Youth culture, by virtue of inexperience, doesn't always know what the finer, more enjoyable things in life are.
3. Hipsterism isn't cool.  It might not be "uncool", but if you classify something that everyone is doing as "cool", then it looses any meaning.
4. Cities seem to be obsessed with convincing outsiders that they really are cooler than other cities.

Hey, finally, halfway through the comments and we find someone with decent reading comprehension.  The rest are either dumb, skimmed the article, or feel an annoying twinge of recognition about their own 'burg and/or lives.


Someone has to come into this thread and cloud the issue with facts. And facts without any dry hop-infusion either. Dammit.
 
2013-02-20 02:01:08 PM

Bell's Boy: is it that a "hipster" is just a blanket name for people who don't like what you like?


Yes.
 
2013-02-20 02:01:46 PM

shortymac: Rapmaster2000: shortymac: kidgenius: You know why I hate hipster places? Because everyone goes to hiptser places. Everyone tries to be "cool" by eating at these restaurants and drinking at their bars. Sure, the food is pretty good. But the crowds and wait times absolutely kill it. And, having to hear everyone say "OMG OMG OMG! If you haven't eaten at XXX, then you haven't lived! They name their chickens before they kill em. They only use locally grown XXXX" It's a formula to get people to come to your place. And yes, it can work out, but I just want to have a restaurant that says "here I am, come and eat" and stops trying to be pretentious about their "story" and the ingredients and the story they are trying to tell with their ingredients.

It's what pisses me off about hipster food places, granted there are some that are experimenting and trying new things but can be knock off the long-winded personal screeds already!

Or selling the "atmosphere" instead of concentrating on your dishes, I don't care how twee your restaurant is, I want good food, in reasonable portions (DO NOT give me a meatball-sized hamburger*) for a good price.

/*School in Toronto, thankfully I wasn't paying for that lunch
//http://www.yelp.ca/biz/school-bakery-and-cafe-toronto-2

I clicked on the link.  That ain't hipster.  That's tourist.

Liberty village is "hipster with a trust fund" central for Toronto. When I was working nearby my co-workers all raved about it,definitely not "tourist".

/Parkdale is for hipsters without money
//Just starting to gentrify


The matching outfits?  The theme?  It looks like someplace Guy Fieri would go for extreme bacon bit bombs.
s3-media2.ak.yelpcdn.com

Someone's Mom is ordering back there.  People have fratboy haircuts.  Read the review of "Chuck T from Missassauga".  It's all pancakes and french toast served by girls in school girl outfits.  It looks like the wacky place people in the burbs check out when they come to the "hip" part of the city.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
 
2013-02-20 02:04:37 PM

GregInIndy: positronica: I think a lot of posters so far have missed most the points of the article.  The author is basically saying the following...

1. The brew pub district and indy band shows that your city has aren't special or unique.  Dozens and dozens of other cities across the country have the same thing going on.
2. Youth culture, by virtue of inexperience, doesn't always know what the finer, more enjoyable things in life are.
3. Hipsterism isn't cool.  It might not be "uncool", but if you classify something that everyone is doing as "cool", then it looses any meaning.
4. Cities seem to be obsessed with convincing outsiders that they really are cooler than other cities.

Hey, finally, halfway through the comments and we find someone with decent reading comprehension.  The rest are either dumb, skimmed the article, or feel an annoying twinge of recognition about their own 'burg and/or lives.


And now you feel smug about it. Fantastic.
 
2013-02-20 02:05:07 PM
GregInIndy:
Hey, finally, halfway through the comments and we find someone with decent reading comprehension.  The rest are either dumb, skimmed the article, or feel an annoying twinge of recognition about their own 'burg and/or lives.

defintely the pretentious douchebag thing
 
2013-02-20 02:05:19 PM
We're taking advice about what's cool or not from America's Foremost Magazine of White Pride?
 
2013-02-20 02:06:26 PM

randomjsa: Since I don't drink better I always wonder about the so called superiority of these tiny little brewing companies that only produce locally.

If your product is so superior to anything I can purchase at a decent grocery store... Why aren't you selling it there?


notsureifserious
 
2013-02-20 02:07:11 PM

Lumpmoose: As in all It Cities, Portland's status is codified by its need for recognition from outsiders, embellished by how effectively it commercializes that attention, and sustained by the intensity of its need to prove that you don't have to live in New York or L.A. to be surrounded by awesome musicians, world-class theater, and pretentious Sazerac culture.

Except that you sort of do.

Ah, there's the punchline: "Everywhere except NYC and LA suck."  He sounds miserable so hopefully he'll just stay home next time.


^This.

It's a great thing that cities and towns all over the counrty are investing in their core neighborhoods, and trying to (in a hit and miss fashion, similar to the hit or miss fashion associated with such things in NY or LA) create uniqure bars, restaurants and cultural attributes. This douchebag sounds like an angry kid from Peoria, that got out of that crap hole Peoria, and went the the CITY (god knows which one) of magic, and dreams, and magical dreams, to follow his dreams of making magic, and any place other than NY or LA can have something interesting about it over his dead body, because, well, then he'll have to rely on something other than his zip code to feel special. Its usually only douchey transplants that behave this way.
This turd can DIAF.
 
2013-02-20 02:08:56 PM
The author's not railing against your local microbrewery IPA, awesome food truck, or handcrafted avocado mushroom burger with locally-sourced beef & bacon.  He's simply saying that damned near every mid-sized city and city suburb has some form of these nice things now.  It doesn't make your town special anymore.

God knows I love the variety of local brewers and their offerings here in Indianapolis.  But I don't think it makes us unique in any way.
 
2013-02-20 02:09:27 PM

GregInIndy: positronica: I think a lot of posters so far have missed most the points of the article.  The author is basically saying the following...

1. The brew pub district and indy band shows that your city has aren't special or unique.  Dozens and dozens of other cities across the country have the same thing going on.
2. Youth culture, by virtue of inexperience, doesn't always know what the finer, more enjoyable things in life are.
3. Hipsterism isn't cool.  It might not be "uncool", but if you classify something that everyone is doing as "cool", then it looses any meaning.
4. Cities seem to be obsessed with convincing outsiders that they really are cooler than other cities.

Hey, finally, halfway through the comments and we find someone with decent reading comprehension.  The rest are either dumb, skimmed the article, or feel an annoying twinge of recognition about their own 'burg and/or lives.


Or don't like articles where you have to sift through piles of pretentious, douchey, verbal excrement to come out with any sort of point.  Like this little nugget:  "proliferated like fungus in a damp basement."
 
2013-02-20 02:10:23 PM

trotsky: Lumpmoose: As in all It Cities, Portland's status is codified by its need for recognition from outsiders, embellished by how effectively it commercializes that attention, and sustained by the intensity of its need to prove that you don't have to live in New York or L.A. to be surrounded by awesome musicians, world-class theater, and pretentious Sazerac culture.

Except that you sort of do.

Ah, there's the punchline: "Everywhere except NYC and LA suck."  He sounds miserable so hopefully he'll just stay home next time.

If this jackass wants banal, boring culture, I kindly invite him to Rapid shiatty, South Dakota. His stupid pretentious ass will do what I want to do: blow my brains out rather than imagine the next 30 years here. I would kill to move back to East Tennessee. I'm trying but am having no luck.


Its hillarious you said that.  I just moved back to East Tennessee from, yes, Portland... Heh.
 
2013-02-20 02:11:23 PM
It's over.
 
2013-02-20 02:12:46 PM

Bell's Boy: I'm a hipster. There, I said it.

I am not all things hipster. I do not wear skinny jeans. I do not wear a scarf and Tom's. I enjoy sports.

What makes me a hipster apparently? I like good craft beer. I like good food, including experimentation with food. I like some music that would be considered obscure to some people........

My question is this: Is it the things that I like that make someone a hipster, or is it somebody who likes those things but is a pretentious douche bag about it? Or is it that a "hipster" is just a blanket name for people who don't like what you like?


IMO, it's the douchbag part. I think hipsterism isn't about what you like, but your attitude toward what you like and, by extension, what you don't like. It's really just another form of tribal snobbery. Hipster/beer snob/food snob/wine snob/music snob/comic book snob = "What I like defines who I am and is so superior to what you like that it makes me feel superior to you. Now I'm going to spend the next 20 (agonizing for you) minutes telling you why." It also tends to be more esoteric than political affiliations, "Ford vs. Chevy", or sports fanaticism.

That's why hipsters and anti-hipsters have more in common than either side would care to admit.
 
2013-02-20 02:13:40 PM
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2013-02-20 02:13:45 PM

Bell's Boy: I'm a hipster. There, I said it.

I am not all things hipster. I do not wear skinny jeans. I do not wear a scarf and Tom's. I enjoy sports.

What makes me a hipster apparently? I like good craft beer. I like good food, including experimentation with food. I like some music that would be considered obscure to some people........

My question is this: Is it the things that I like that make someone a hipster, or is it somebody who likes those things but is a pretentious douche bag about it? Or is it that a "hipster" is just a blanket name for people who don't like what you like?


Hipsterism to me seems rooted in a belief that what a person eats, drinks, wears or listens to is what makes them "cool" and the more obscure the food, drink or band the more "coo"l it is. Hipsters see something they perceive as "cool" and adopt it not necessarily because they genuinely like it but because they think it will make them "cool". When a person genuinely enjoys something they do not need to brag about how "cool" it is.

My 62 year old father who wears fishing shirts and khaki shorts with calf high navy socks likes craft beer and listens to Dr. Dog. He is not a hipster.
 
2013-02-20 02:14:19 PM

SnarfVader: It's like he completely missed the point of microbreweries.

Plus he missed the point of Portland. Portland is not the Pearl. The Pearl is an abomination.


Came here to say that.

If I want beer in Portland, I'm going to to the Lucky Lab...

/ Never felt comfortable walking around the Pearl District
// I sound poor...
 
2013-02-20 02:15:37 PM
Anybody who trys to tell you that life is about a cheeseburger is going to be disappointed... alot.  All people want is to experience new things with people that they enjoy hanging around.  This whole hipster movement will go down in history in the same fashion that disco did.  Who cares.  Enjoy it while it changes things, and then enjoy the new things when they take over.  But most importantly, enjoy the people you are with through the whole process.
 
2013-02-20 02:16:34 PM
Hmm, interesting thread. I didn't realize there were this many hipster farkers.
 
2013-02-20 02:17:00 PM
Hipster douchebag microbrews are the best reason to drink whiskey.  Inexpensive, rough, kick your brains out by a mule kind of whiskey.  The kind that grandpa drank out of a mug with breakfast before going out and shooting a few nazis in the face.
 
2013-02-20 02:17:12 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: That's why hipsters and anti-hipsters have more in common than either side would care to admit.


Both sides are bad.

Vote hipster.
 
2013-02-20 02:17:57 PM

kidgenius: Ya know, Olive Garden isn't really terrible. Is it great food? Hell no. Is it serviceable? Sure. But at the same time, you can still have a restaurant making great food that isn't an olive garden, but also isn't trying to be pretentious about not trying to be pretentious.


see its odd, you see "pretensiousness" and i see "advertising." restaurants are a crowded field and the failure rate is high. If you want to attract customers and ask them to pay (significantly) more than a place like the olive garden, you need to give them a reason. Telling people up front that you source materials locally sets you apart from the competition. touting the skills or education or ratings of your chef lets them know they have a real expert creating the food. telling a story behind your food and dish choices gives your potential consumer some insight into what makes your restaurant different and special and therefore worth the extra money when there is a perfectly serviceable olive garden in the next parking lot.
 
2013-02-20 02:19:12 PM

plcow: Anybody who trys to tell you that life is about a cheeseburger is going to be disappointed... alot.  All people want is to experience new things with people that they enjoy hanging around.  This whole hipster movement will go down in history in the same fashion that disco did.  Who cares.  Enjoy it while it changes things, and then enjoy the new things when they take over.  But most importantly, enjoy the people you are with through the whole process.


Hipsters have been around for about 15 years.  At this point they're likely going to be like hip hop or blue jeans.  They will change... but there will always be hipsters.  It's a natural outgrowth of increasing market segmentation.
 
2013-02-20 02:20:00 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Hipster douchebag microbrews are the best reason to drink whiskey.  Inexpensive, rough, kick your brains out by a mule kind of whiskey.  The kind that grandpa drank out of a mug with breakfast before going out and shooting a few nazis in the face.


Careful with that irony, Eugene
 
2013-02-20 02:20:04 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Hipster douchebag microbrews are the best reason to drink whiskey.   Inexpensive, rough, kick your brains out by a mule kind of whiskey.  The kind that grandpa drank out of a mug with breakfast before going out and shooting a few nazis in the face.


inexpensive? That shiat is pricey.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be in my apartment with a 30 rack of High Life and some red vines you snobs.
 
2013-02-20 02:21:26 PM
They had microbreweries in Des Moines in the 90s.

Calling microbrews hipster is like calling McDonalds hipster.
 
2013-02-20 02:21:31 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Hipster douchebag microbrews are the best reason to drink whiskey.  Inexpensive, rough, kick your brains out by a mule kind of whiskey.  The kind that grandpa drank out of a mug with breakfast before going out and shooting a few nazis in the face.


You need to go back to AA.
 
2013-02-20 02:21:54 PM

theflatline: dc0012c: I'll take insufferable hipsterism anyday if it means that we don't go back to the days when Becks and Bass were high-end imports and the only place that made hamburgers with fresh beef was your house. F*ck whether it's "cool" or not, the US dining and drinking scene has improved in leaps and bounds in the last 20 years as towns of all sizes try to emulate the quality and diversity of places known for it. Get over the "hipster" vibe and enjoy a good IPA and an avocado mushroom burger.

I grew up in New Orleans, where good food and booze was always aplenty.

Throwing a slice of flavorless US grown avocado on food is the height of hipster cooking.


Me and the Mrs. have been hanging around in Fountain Square on the southeast side of Indianapolis. We're old compared to the artsy yokels down there, but it's a fine place to have a drink and catch a show. We saw Wanda Jackson down there not too long ago, and I even had a PBR. Am I cool yet, or am I supposed to not try to be cool because it's cool to do that? Help.
 
2013-02-20 02:23:10 PM
This guy needs a cob removed from his ass.
 
2013-02-20 02:24:46 PM

kab: belhade: Wow. they put Poughkeepsie in that article. Cool? Hipster? No, still pretty much trash.

Though you may want to drive a few more minutes north up Route 9.

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They moved?   Did they not used to be south of the city, or am I imagining things?

/haven't been down that way in years.


Hyde Park Bewing Co & Restaurant...Hyde Park is north of Po'town.

Live music and Wednesday nights Blues Revue.
 
2013-02-20 02:27:29 PM

GregInIndy: The author's not railing against your local microbrewery IPA, awesome food truck, or handcrafted avocado mushroom burger with locally-sourced beef & bacon.  He's simply saying that damned near every mid-sized city and city suburb has some form of these nice things now.  It doesn't make your town special anymore.

God knows I love the variety of local brewers and their offerings here in Indianapolis.  But I don't think it makes us unique in any way.


So farking what? The whole point is not to be "unique." It's to have something worth going to in town that isn't a corporate chain.

With this movement towards having specialized local city food and drink, it means I don't have to travel into a big city to have stuff like that. So I'm all for it.
 
2013-02-20 02:27:58 PM

impaler: They had microbreweries in Des Moines in the 90s.

Calling microbrews hipster is like calling McDonalds hipster.


Microbrewies in themselves are not "hipster."  A brewery that produces a hop backed, organic snozberry infused, raw oak aged, triple, imperial, smoked altbier or something along those lines is probably only patronized by hipster douche bags.
 
2013-02-20 02:27:59 PM
Tumunga:

Me and the Mrs. have been hanging around in Fountain Square on the southeast side of Indianapolis. We're old compared to the artsy yokels down there, but it's a fine place to have a drink and catch a show. We saw Wanda Jackson down there not too long ago, and I even had a PBR. Am I cool yet, or am I supposed to not try to be cool because it's cool to do that? Help.

You're supposed to go duckpin bowling, then hit Radio Radio for a good show this weekend.  Or, you know, whatever floats your boat.
 
2013-02-20 02:28:31 PM

max_pooper: It probably isn't superior. Anchor Brewing Company and Sierra Nevada Brewing Company both recently announced they will be opening new brewing facilities. They make damn fine "craft beer" and you can buy in your local grocery store.

If a beer is only distributed through vegan food trucks, chances are it sucks.


See I've strongly suspected this for years. Way back before anyone was running around calling it "hipster"... In every single solitary 'fandom' from food, to drink, to movies, to comics, to anything... There was always this group of people who had to prove how trendy they were by being in to something that almost nobody else was. They were the real fans, everyone else was just a bandwagon sheeple. Beer I suspect is the same...

Back in the late 90s I even saw a sign at a big comic book shop by the register that said "You are not special because you ask for a comic we've never heard of". I suspect that you could just as easily change that to "You are not special because you drink a beer we've never heard of"
 
2013-02-20 02:29:03 PM

max_pooper: Bell's Boy: I'm a hipster. There, I said it.

I am not all things hipster. I do not wear skinny jeans. I do not wear a scarf and Tom's. I enjoy sports.

What makes me a hipster apparently? I like good craft beer. I like good food, including experimentation with food. I like some music that would be considered obscure to some people........

My question is this: Is it the things that I like that make someone a hipster, or is it somebody who likes those things but is a pretentious douche bag about it? Or is it that a "hipster" is just a blanket name for people who don't like what you like?

Hipsterism to me seems rooted in a belief that what a person eats, drinks, wears or listens to is what makes them "cool" and the more obscure the food, drink or band the more "coo"l it is. Hipsters see something they perceive as "cool" and adopt it not necessarily because they genuinely like it but because they think it will make them "cool". When a person genuinely enjoys something they do not need to brag about how "cool" it is.

My 62 year old father who wears fishing shirts and khaki shorts with calf high navy socks likes craft beer and listens to Dr. Dog. He is not a hipster.


LOL, do you realize that UseUrHeadFred posted a picture of your dad 5 seconds before you posted this? :-)
 
2013-02-20 02:29:18 PM
Hipsters are simply trying to find a sense of history here.

It's not just the intellectual superiority pose, which is often worth about what it seems to be, or the leering, dime store irony they try and find in the alleged stupidity and redneckism of the non hipster.  That's mostly so they can have the most z0mg, teh funny!1 story to tweet to their BFFs later.  It's not even the artsy fartsy thing so much as the artsy fartsy thing is the tool kit they have chosen.  That, and Chinese made technology.  Because we don't made sh*t here, anymore and our history is one of making more, stronger, better stuff than anybody, faster.  And when the stuff ran out of customers, the people signing the checks shuttered the factories and moved on to the next thing.

There's a disconnect there.  All that "this is how you make stuff" never got passed on.  They are seeking historical refuge in the arcane points of craft and architecture that pervades all of those "historically significant" countries that they could finally afford to visit after they took their industrial worker parent's advice and went to college and got a GOOD job.  This is hillbillies home from Gay Paree trying to jazz the joint up a little bit.  They want our older architecture to survive, too.  Something more than banks, Van Der Roheian monstrosities and aluminum and glass fast food joints.  Because, so far, that is our history.

The American tradition is that, once you sh*t the bed where you were, you could just pack up the plantation and head over that hew horizon and start over in some new, yet pristine expanse of the endless, resource festooned wilds that is America.  Only we're all moved in now and that sh*t doesn't work.  So this is the flower of our overeducated youth trying to knock some lace doilies and cloth napkins together and lay them in the freshly pressure washed and regentrified palaces of our forefathers, now that the machines are silent. And, since we're Americans, we've turned it into a competition.  And we await Those Who Matter™ to anoint *our* prize pig with this week's blue ribbon.  And, the food is better.  The beer, like most beer, is either really quite good or utter horse piss.  And the pose will tame itself to fit the actualities, as poses do.  And we just might be revamping our history into something more than and endless cycle of build, make, use and break.  I can put up with a handful of Macbook Air douches, wittering on about free range avocados and hearth baked buns if it puts enough lipstick on the pig to keep what's left of our economy and history under the same sheets.
 
2013-02-20 02:30:26 PM

busy chillin': Smeggy Smurf: Hipster douchebag microbrews are the best reason to drink whiskey.  Inexpensive, rough, kick your brains out by a mule kind of whiskey.  The kind that grandpa drank out of a mug with breakfast before going out and shooting a few nazis in the face.

Careful with that irony, Eugene


I've been really into barrel-proof Bourbons with a minimum of 30% rye content.  It adds a spiciness akin to white peppercorns to the finished product.  An inferior "wheater" such as Maker's Mark is something that "grandpa" may have had for breakfast with his cage-raised eggs and non-organic toast like some sort of Plebeian.
 
2013-02-20 02:30:29 PM

impaler: Mitch Taylor's Bro: That's why hipsters and anti-hipsters have more in common than either side would care to admit.

Both sides are bad.

Vote hipster.

Nuke them both from orbit; it's the only way to be sure.

Fixed.
 
2013-02-20 02:30:34 PM
I have wondered how every little town around here has "revitalized" their old downtown by turning it into a throwback retail district. How those hip boutiques, antique shops and bistros survive when there is another carbon copy literally just up the road is a mystery to me.
 
2013-02-20 02:30:39 PM

max_pooper: Microbrewies in themselves are not "hipster."  A brewery that produces a hop backed, organic snozberry infused, raw oak aged, triple, imperial, smoked altbier or something along those lines is probably only patronized by hipster douche bags.


Again, please learn the difference between a hipster and a beer snob.
 
2013-02-20 02:32:00 PM
Tumunga: theflatline: dc0012c: I'll take insufferable hipsterism anyday if it means that we don't go back to the days when Becks and Bass were high-end imports and the only place that made hamburgers with fresh beef was your house. F*ck whether it's "cool" or not, the US dining and drinking scene has improved in leaps and bounds in the last 20 years as towns of all sizes try to emulate the quality and diversity of places known for it. Get over the "hipster" vibe and enjoy a good IPA and an avocado mushroom burger.

I grew up in New Orleans, where good food and booze was always aplenty.

Throwing a slice of flavorless US grown avocado on food is the height of hipster cooking.

Me and the Mrs. have been hanging around in Fountain Square on the southeast side of Indianapolis. We're old compared to the artsy yokels down there, but it's a fine place to have a drink and catch a show. We saw Wanda Jackson down there not too long ago, and I even had a PBR. Am I cool yet, or am I supposed to not try to be cool because it's cool to do that? Help.


It depends. Did you blog about what you hated on your website www.Indie-napolis.com?
 
2013-02-20 02:32:01 PM

Tumunga: theflatline: dc0012c: I'll take insufferable hipsterism anyday if it means that we don't go back to the days when Becks and Bass were high-end imports and the only place that made hamburgers with fresh beef was your house. F*ck whether it's "cool" or not, the US dining and drinking scene has improved in leaps and bounds in the last 20 years as towns of all sizes try to emulate the quality and diversity of places known for it. Get over the "hipster" vibe and enjoy a good IPA and an avocado mushroom burger.

I grew up in New Orleans, where good food and booze was always aplenty.

Throwing a slice of flavorless US grown avocado on food is the height of hipster cooking.

Me and the Mrs. have been hanging around in Fountain Square on the southeast side of Indianapolis. We're old compared to the artsy yokels down there, but it's a fine place to have a drink and catch a show. We saw Wanda Jackson down there not too long ago, and I even had a PBR. Am I cool yet, or am I supposed to not try to be cool because it's cool to do that? Help.


You were in Fountain Square and didn't have a beer from Fountain Square?

3.bp.blogspot.com

You were right there!
 
2013-02-20 02:32:40 PM

randomjsa: max_pooper: It probably isn't superior. Anchor Brewing Company and Sierra Nevada Brewing Company both recently announced they will be opening new brewing facilities. They make damn fine "craft beer" and you can buy in your local grocery store.

If a beer is only distributed through vegan food trucks, chances are it sucks.

See I've strongly suspected this for years. Way back before anyone was running around calling it "hipster"... In every single solitary 'fandom' from food, to drink, to movies, to comics, to anything... There was always this group of people who had to prove how trendy they were by being in to something that almost nobody else was. They were the real fans, everyone else was just a bandwagon sheeple. Beer I suspect is the same...

Back in the late 90s I even saw a sign at a big comic book shop by the register that said "You are not special because you ask for a comic we've never heard of". I suspect that you could just as easily change that to "You are not special because you drink a beer we've never heard of"


You're probably going to need an alt if you want anyone to converse with you normally.
 
2013-02-20 02:33:36 PM
Take your popup to "sign up for our newsletter!" and shove it.
 
2013-02-20 02:34:03 PM
I guess part of this guy's angst goes back to something I've observed over the years.  A lot of these (especially mid-western or southern) towns of a million or so are quite similar to begin with.

So, its no surprise that many of them have taken to this sort of urban renewal.

I mean, the guy is still Gripey McSandyvaj, but yeah, there is a level of artifice in the race toward becoming an "IT" city.

If a person is dropped blindfolded into the downtown of Louisville, Nashville, Memphis, Indy, St Louis, Cincy, Columbus, Little Rock, Atlanta, etc etc, it would take some moments of investigation to figure out where you were, after the blindfold is removed.

Many of these places have a lot in common to begin with, so its no surprise that many of them have brew pubs in "converted schoolhouses" or whatever else this jackass was crackin off about.
 
2013-02-20 02:40:44 PM

SnarfVader: It's like he completely missed the point of microbreweries.

Plus he missed the point of Portland. Portland is not the Pearl. The Pearl is an abomination.


30 years ago when i lived in portland I expressed an interest in buying an old warehouse and making loft apartments. I was laughed at. The Pearl is where the trendy outsiders park themselves. Also, NW Portland was a blast when it was cheap, uncrowded by traffic and run by junkies and gays.
 
2013-02-20 02:43:06 PM

tlchwi02: kidgenius: but I just want to have a restaurant that says "here I am, come and eat" and stops trying to be pretentious about their "story" and the ingredients and the story they are trying to tell with their ingredients.

i believe they call that the "olive garden" and they can be found in many of the nations more classical strip mall locations.


lol, they don't actually cook anything in an Olive Garden. Is it still considered a restaurant?
 
2013-02-20 02:47:11 PM

impaler: Here's the entire article:
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My thoughts exactly.  I don't like good beer because it's cool.  I like good beer because it's good.
 
2013-02-20 02:47:52 PM

Lando Lincoln: max_pooper: Microbrewies in themselves are not "hipster."  A brewery that produces a hop backed, organic snozberry infused, raw oak aged, triple, imperial, smoked altbier or something along those lines is probably only patronized by hipster douche bags.

Again, please learn the difference between a hipster and a beer snob.


Hipsters drink either drink PBR or crappy over hopped high gravity beers with ironic names but couldn't do a "Pepsi Challenge" with their supposedly favorite beer and dirty mop water. Beer snobs discuss brewing water mineral content and argue about the necessity of a protein rest.

I know beer snobs, I worked at a homebrew shop for 4 years. Beer snobs make fun of hipster beer.
 
2013-02-20 02:49:26 PM
I agree with this guy pretty much down the line. I made the same discovery about 15 years ago when I had a conference in St. Louis and went to their revitalized tourist area by the river with the fake gaslights and obligatory brewpub and, in a spell of jet lag (it was a long month) suddenly blanked on what city I was in. I like a brew pub as much as the next person, and have visited them from Seattle to New Orleans, San Diego to Edinburgh, but face it, they're all pretty much the same.

In a related matter, there was an article in the NY Times this last Sunday explaining that hipsters had discovered Hastings-on-Hudson (formerly knows as just "Hastings") and other river towns, and how they were now places where once could get x, y, and z. The funny thing was, that although the specific x, y, and z may be "hand crafted by local artisans," they're pretty much same everywhere hipsters congregate. I'm sure they'd hate to realize that they're just as homogenous as any suburb, but it's only a question of whether you buy your gluten-free red velvet cupcake from the bakery with the kitschy Betty Paige with cats-eye glasses motif or the one with the '60s airstream trailer pink flamingo vibe.
 
2013-02-20 02:50:29 PM

maudibjr: Having lived in both South Dakota and East Tennessee.  I would avoid both.


You sure know how to pick 'em.
 
2013-02-20 02:50:43 PM
Is the author unaware that the "cool" cities he rails against have chain restaurants, too? Sure, the hipster bar in town X might be kind of similar to one in town Y, but you know what is exactly the same? The McDonald's in both places, which can peacefully coexist with all kinds of "unpopular" places.

Sometimes, only one minute away on your fixie.
 
2013-02-20 02:52:00 PM

FarkedOver: I'm glad I don't drink beer any more.  I just drink the hard stuff to forget about what a shiatty day I had.


Couldn't have said this any better myself.
 
2013-02-20 02:54:31 PM
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Article's author penned the above, a fantastically funny book for anyone who has ever visited a third world country with a backpack.  Last I heard he was still living in the hipster miasma that is Portland.
 
2013-02-20 02:59:38 PM
In CLE, for about a decade, it was the Flats district.  On the E bank, Old River Road.  On the west bank, well, whatever was across the rover from Old River Road.  Wall to wall beer joints, (good) live bands, food, boats docked everywhere, regentrified old buildings , some stuff knocked together from Home Depot.  Serious wild west vibe.

And wall to wall, nuts to buts, 20 minute traffic jams on a 1 mile street.  Commerce.  Tons of it.  Happy, hammered, nibbling, noshing, grooving music and arts fans browsing, dancing, doing lines in the bathroom, paying ridiculous amounts of money to park, wallet hoovering commerce.

And couple of dipsh*ts fell in the river and somebody got stabbed and the corporate whores decided that they should drum up the "oh noes!" pisswillies to ask us to think of the childrens, and it worked.  And they flattened it, gutted it, graded it, tossed up a bunch of fancy architectural drawings and pointed at their engorged bank statements and proposed hotels and corporate hooer eateries and residences and "people movers" and so far, it's a f*cking sand pit.  But they got that land.  Every foot of it.

And frankly, this is ten times worse than hipster douches in convertibles in winter, coke addled, chicken walking freeze bunnies stomping from bar to bar, sans coat, hugging themselves because "IT'S SO COLD", and smoking rock bands that should be signed but weren't because they were from CLE.  Don't throw stones at the brewpub weenies.  It could be worse.  It could be oily motherf*ckers in suits "developing" it.
 
2013-02-20 03:01:02 PM
This is one of those situations where you can't be entirely sure this wasn't an epic troll of hipster by a hipster.

Also, whatever the fark I just read, I have no idea what any of it meant.  I understood the words, but the meaning was lost in all the flowery prose.
 
2013-02-20 03:04:35 PM
Is it bad this link made me want to go eat and drink in Nashville to Rascal Flatts?
 
2013-02-20 03:04:57 PM

Kahabut: lost in all the flowery prose.


Yeah that shiat's annoying too.  Its like his previous job was writing menus/pamphlets for just the kind of development he was skewering.
 
2013-02-20 03:06:04 PM

amquelbettamin: Is it bad this link made me want to go eat and drink in Nashville to Rascal Flatts?


No.  Art, musical tastes and even in food and beer, are subjective.  Go.  Do.   : )
 
2013-02-20 03:07:47 PM

23FPB23: Kahabut: lost in all the flowery prose.

Yeah that shiat's annoying too.  Its like his previous job was writing menus/pamphlets for just the kind of development he was skewering.


Nah, he doesn't write badly.  He tends to staple witticisms up over content, but it's a lot more engaging than a cereal box.
 
2013-02-20 03:07:54 PM
Well now I feel bad for enjoying things.  Thanks a lot, Mr. Article Writer Guy.

Also, I'm not sure LA is all that cool.  Half the people here seem to want to move to Portland.
 
2013-02-20 03:07:59 PM

Bell's Boy: My question is this: Is it the things that I like that make someone a hipster, or is it somebody who likes those things but is a pretentious douche bag about it?


It is more of the idea of the search for "authenticity" that makes a person a Hipster. In the way that once something they enjoy becomes popular, they then change themselves in order to regain that "uniqueness" instead of enjoying what they either created (hopefully actually created and didn't just "discover" aka stolen - I'm looking at *YOU* whom are called "Hipster Goths"!) or used to enjoy before it became popular. (I wonder since Vinyl's becoming popular, will Hipsters go back to wax phonograph cylinders?)  But the main problem is their attitude about it, that if you went to a place frequented by Hipsters, they may chastise you for "not understanding" how doing what they're doing is "better" than what you're doing. (Plus I've gone to Goth clubs lately where a group of Hipsters come in and instead of enjoying the club or dancing, will just buy a drink and stand on the middle of dance floor talking to each other about the club and it's patrons (plus they don't seem to shower either, Oh G-d the smell, ugh!), very annoying)

Or is it that a "hipster" is just a blanket name for people who don't like what you like?

To me a Hipster is a person who does take from various things of the past and present and mixes them up into a mess until it becomes palitable only to them and other hipsters, then that hipster will get confused and flustered about why no one else is doing "this great thing" they just made up (or stole from other subcultures and/or forgotten mainstream culture of the past) until it does become popular, than the Hipster disowns it and tries to find something new to be "unique" on.
 
2013-02-20 03:08:24 PM

max_pooper: Beer snobs discuss brewing water mineral content and argue about the necessity of a protein rest.


You don't know the difference between a beer geek and a beer snob.

Beer snobs love beer, love talking about beer and look down on other people for what they drink.

Beer geeks love beer, love talking about beer but don't really care about what other people like to drink.
 
2013-02-20 03:10:58 PM

nickerj1: I can't take anyone seriously who thinks Baltimore is hipster or at least thought it was supposed to be hipster.

Especially the inner harbour.  The inner harbour is the opposite of hipster.  It's all chain restaurant and stores and more megacorp, including federal national aquarium, and state maryland science center.  Don't get wrong, it's a fun time especially the science center and aquarium, but not hipster central....


THIS. There are certainly places like what he's describing (not so much in Fells and Fed Hill as in Mt. Vernon, Hampden, and Station North), but if he came to see "hipster B-More" and went to the freaking HARBOR...well, I just don't know what to say about that.

/I understand why he was bored, though...
 
2013-02-20 03:12:44 PM
There was nothing wrong with San Diego every time Ive been there, except maybe the traffic during inoppurtune hours. The SD area is responsible for some of the best beer in America. Stone, Alesmith, Ballast Point, probably close to a dozen in all. And northern CA produces much of the better brew in America, Bear Republic, Green Flash, hell I could go for days. California itself is a stronghold for delicious beer of every variety.

Id recommend Big Bear Black or West Coast IPA for uninitiated CA residents, some truly divine beer.

/Subbys idea of fine dining must be swigs of Icehouse punctuated by spoonfuls of Kirkland boxed mac n cheese
 
2013-02-20 03:13:01 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: To me a Hipster is a person who does take from various things of the past and present and mixes them up into a mess until it becomes palitable only to them and other hipsters, then that hipster will get confused and flustered about why no one else is doing "this great thing" they just made up (or stole from other subcultures and/or forgotten mainstream culture of the past) until it does become popular, than the Hipster disowns it and tries to find something new to be "unique" on.


And that is precisely  how most of the whole of what we call culture, you  know, the stuff from Europe, over the last 400 years developed.  For better or worse, posturing ninnies touting florid reincarnations of samo samo are why we have nice things.
 
2013-02-20 03:16:26 PM

Lando Lincoln: max_pooper: Beer snobs discuss brewing water mineral content and argue about the necessity of a protein rest.

You don't know the difference between a beer geek and a beer snob.

Beer snobs love beer, love talking about beer and look down on other people for what they drink.

Beer geeks love beer, love talking about beer but don't really care about what other people like to drink.


I am on board with this! Here in Austin, you get your fill of both......
 
2013-02-20 03:16:36 PM

Lucky LaRue: Art.. artisan burritos?  Is that like a pink taco?


You have to go to Tijuana to get those tho. The ones in the USA are just not the same.
 
2013-02-20 03:16:46 PM

Lando Lincoln: max_pooper: Beer snobs discuss brewing water mineral content and argue about the necessity of a protein rest.

You don't know the difference between a beer geek and a beer snob.

Beer snobs love beer, love talking about beer and look down on other people for what they drink.

Beer geeks love beer, love talking about beer but don't really care about what other people like to drink.


The Venn diagram of people you hate must look like the Olympic rings.
 
2013-02-20 03:17:40 PM
I was in Dos Gatos bar, Jacksonville,FL, which is a cool lounge downtown, and it was a late saturday night, and the dj was spinning some old hip hop, and these hipsters in their mid 20s were drinking pbrs, wearing upside down visors, sweatbands, chest tats, the whole thing, and they were gyrating as only white people can.

I was with a buddy who is half black, but very light skinned, and blue eyed, who was dressed normally as was I, and this hipster girl says to us "you guys too uptight to dance".

My buddy while impeccable dressed, is a break dancer.  He just stood up and broke it down until all eyes were on him, so much so some hipster dude says "slow your roll this is not a contest."

So another hipster rolls to the DJ and and requests some latin music, cause you know hipsters are worldly, and puts on Elvis Crespos suavemente, and it was my turn.  Cause you know the latin dude who lived in Colombia for 5 years, where you cannot get a girl if you cannot dance.  So I grabbed a Puerto Rican girl I know, and we danced though suavemente and Ozomatlis Cumbia de los muertos.

I guess hipsters are the only ones who think Tribe called quest is so retro, or they are only allowed on the dance floor.

I
 
2013-02-20 03:21:01 PM
We used to make our own beer when we were underage and poor, then we grew up.
 
2013-02-20 03:24:04 PM

j.lunatic: cgraves67: I'll still take variety over conformity even if it means that some of the variety is subpar.

Except that these provincial wannabe Portlands are all racing to conform to a template that actually squeezes out variety. As long as it means I can get good beer and food, and there's a club that books the bands that I want to see, I don't mind too much. But do admit that these local scenes aren't developing anything unique, they're trying to create instant Brooklyns.


I see that all the time in my fair city. Seems to be while the locals are existing and doing their thing, the city, in its ever loving quest to make the town a world class destination goes out of its way to regulate all the fun out of the place to further the white elephant plans they got while on a junket.

Just let the place and thing develop on its own and stay out of the way! Dont kiss the asses of the out of town transplants
 
2013-02-20 03:30:15 PM
It's odd he keeps mentioning Sacramento.  Sacramento was never remotely cool or hip.

And does the writer realize he sounds like the bike messenger skitin Portlandia where the guy starts screaming "It's over" when he realizes the supposed squares were into the same bars/fads he was into?

Dude! The Gaslamp District, the Pearl, Santa Monica Pier!!!!  IT'S OVER!!!!!
 
2013-02-20 03:30:51 PM

theflatline: I was in Dos Gatos bar, Jacksonville,FL, which is a cool lounge downtown, and it was a late saturday night, and the dj was spinning some old hip hop, and these hipsters in their mid 20s were drinking pbrs, wearing upside down visors, sweatbands, chest tats, the whole thing, and they were gyrating as only white people can.


I thought the idea of hipsters wearing upside-down visors sounded very non-hipster, but then I realized that this is Jacksonville, so maybe if you're a hipster in Jacksonville it's like being in a cargo cult.
 
2013-02-20 03:34:22 PM

caddisfly: Article's author penned the above, a fantastically funny book for anyone who has ever visited a third world country with a backpack.  Last I heard he was still living in the hipster miasma that is Portland.


That makes it even more strange that he doesn't realize the Pearl is mostly middle age trust funders and retirees with a few yuppies mixed in.
 
2013-02-20 03:36:43 PM

Lumpmoose: As in all It Cities, Portland's status is codified by its need for recognition from outsiders, embellished by how effectively it commercializes that attention, and sustained by the intensity of its need to prove that you don't have to live in New York or L.A. to be surrounded by awesome musicians, world-class theater, and pretentious Sazerac culture.

Except that you sort of do.

Ah, there's the punchline: "Everywhere except NYC and LA suck."  He sounds miserable so hopefully he'll just stay home next time.



That's one of the best things about living in a flyover state.  The cognoscenti rarely leave their security blankets long enough to be much of a bother.
 
2013-02-20 03:43:26 PM
Don't act all hungry, people: You can get pretty much the same burger at the brewpub down the street from your office.

This dumbass needs to learn when to use a semicolon. The use of the colon here is incorrect.

Yeah, grammar nazi, but he's a "professional" writer and should know better.
 
2013-02-20 03:46:10 PM

TwowheelinTim: This dumbass needs to learn when to use a semicolon. The use of the colon here is incorrect.


Maybe he's a Kurt Vonnegut fan.
 
2013-02-20 03:50:05 PM

dc0012c: I'll take insufferable hipsterism anyday if it means that we don't go back to the days when Becks and Bass were high-end imports and the only place that made hamburgers with fresh beef was your house. F*ck whether it's "cool" or not, the US dining and drinking scene has improved in leaps and bounds in the last 20 years as towns of all sizes try to emulate the quality and diversity of places known for it. Get over the "hipster" vibe and enjoy a good IPA and an avocado mushroom burger.


This!

Don't get me wrong, I hate hipsters as much as the next farker, but what's wrong with having a variety of different beers to choose from? Hell, I love being able to have more than just your standard budwiser to choose from. So yeah, bring on the beer (and new food) adventure!

/Why yes, I DO live in Austin
 
2013-02-20 03:50:38 PM

randomjsa: Since I don't drink better I always wonder about the so called superiority of these tiny little brewing companies that only produce locally.

If your product is so superior to anything I can purchase at a decent grocery store... Why aren't you selling it there?



Grocery stores are the last place to head if youre looking for good beer. You need to be heading to a specialty store, where they carry more than just the best selling mainstream beers. I think Red Stripe and Fat Tire is about as exotic as it gets at the grocers around here. But what if I want to try a thick chewy stout, or a delicious barleywine? I tired of traditional pilsner/"lager"/dull ales before I even turned 21.

This has nothing to do with hip localism, this has everything to do with specialty stores efforts of obtaining and importing the latest and best varieties in the beer world. Albertsons makes no such effort, or else Id see some world class barleywines and stouts whenever I went to the cooler. Instead, I see a wall of proven best selling piss pilsners, a bunch of "premium beers" like Heineken and Dos Equis (lol!), and maybe 2 varities Id even consider buying of the whole section (they actually carry a couple Stone offerings at my local Albertsons, though they arent my preferred brews unfortunately). And realistically, there are way too many good beers out there, that blow Albertsons staple piss out of the water, they,d need to start renovating stores to accomodate just a small fraction of these beers.

A specialty store like BevMo on the other hand, is where youll head for beer ideally. Hundreds of varieties of beer, at a store whose purpose is to accumulate the best beer in their business. Once you venture into good beer, you feel like a kid in a candy store in these places.
 
2013-02-20 04:09:54 PM

max_pooper: The Venn diagram of people you hate must look like the Olympic rings.


I don't hate beer geeks. I am one.

Beer snobs just need to stop being beer snobs. I don't hate them.
 
2013-02-20 04:10:46 PM

bunner: DarkSoulNoHope: To me a Hipster is a person who does take from various things of the past and present and mixes them up into a mess until it becomes palitable only to them and other hipsters, then that hipster will get confused and flustered about why no one else is doing "this great thing" they just made up (or stole from other subcultures and/or forgotten mainstream culture of the past) until it does become popular, than the Hipster disowns it and tries to find something new to be "unique" on.

And that is precisely  how most of the whole of what we call culture, you  know, the stuff from Europe, over the last 400 years developed.  For better or worse, posturing ninnies touting florid reincarnations of samo samo are why we have nice things.


Except it didn't use to happen year by year, culture used to either be defined in the United States by either a 10 year cycle (e.g. The  60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, ect) or by generational titles ("The Greatest Generation", "Baby Boomers", "Generation X", "Generation Y", "Millennials" and so on), people who didn't follow those cycles were labeled as part of a named "subculture" (if named at all) and followed their own devices in how to act but it all mixes in.

Now if a Goth (the subculture I consider myself a part of) has a way of being that doesn't click with mainstream society, we just go about our business (unless attacked directly, THEN HIDEOUS VENGEANCE OF DOOOOOMMMM SHALL REIGN UPON THE PERSON WHO PROVOKED ME! ...sorry, got carried away there for a second!) and understand if they stare that they might be uncomfortable at that point, but didn't follow the same path we do and we move on (Goths use "Oh why don't these mere mortals understand me" as a humorous joke, not seriously).

A Hipster most likely will scoff at these people who don't wear mismatched clothing with a fedora hat and glasses frames sans lenses as, "mundanes" (even that term will be leveled at the Goth that walks by, that the Hipster stole the idea off of to buy the belt with the skull buckle similar to what the Goth was wearing). At the same time that hipster is on his way to eat at a McDonalds and listen to the latest Lady Gaga song in his (Chinese) iPod both "ironically", not willing to admit he likes greasy inexpensive food and Lady Gaga (while me, I listen to and openly admit to Hall and Oates as one of my favorite bands).  When the Hipster does do "authentic" things, like going to the inaugural show of the new band "The Druid Step Cousins" who are a New Age Hip Hop Revival band (even though there has been nothing before that was "New Age" and "Hip Hop" combined into one genre that would be "revived" with this band) which he will absolutely enjoy (externally, on the inside his body will be screaming "Make it stop. MAKE IT STOOOOPPPPP!!!") until they get more than 42 followers at gigs or play more than three venues which means "The Druid Step Cousins" are now popular and the Hipster needs to disown them and move on to a different band (probably an extreme example, a better common example is probably the band "Arcade Fire").

If you want, I could give you a link to the thread (mentioned up above by another poster) that showed how the non-Trust Fund Hipsters were moving to the suburbs and transforming them into their own little experiments. (and interesting enough, the Hipster family that moved to Hastings-On-Hudson, just moved to a more than 90% white community, while they'll probably complain about lack of racial diversity in schools while not understanding THAT bit of irony!) Plus also showing extensive frustration (and naming names) of Hipster venues popping up in the shore city of Asbury Park, NJ full of jerks rather than actual, nice people who are just trying to do something "different".
 
2013-02-20 04:12:14 PM
what a meandering, self-indulgent slop of an article.  at first i thought he was going to make a valid point about the criteria of becoming an "It City," but then it just turns into criticizing any sort of cultural development as derivative.  as if the unmitigated consumerism and materialism of NY and LA are pinnacles of culture: he pretty much says as much with his "moneyed clink" comment and his visible disgust at the 'pedestrian' tastes of Chattanooga.  'hipster culture' rejects the very high-brow exclusivity he's claiming is the standard of 'cool,' so why is he surprised to not find NY wherever he goes?  how 'cool' 'hipster culture' actually is is a matter of debate, but what makes him qualified to judge that?

for what it's worth, i don't self-identify as hipster, but i can appreciate certain products of the culture as well as i can products of high culture or pop culture.  judge each cultural meme on its own merit, not where it came from.  author's a douchebag.
 
2013-02-20 04:12:21 PM
Turns out stores like Bevmo carry not just hundreds of beer varieties, there are 1,399 varieties in my location according to their website. Slightly better selection, Id say.

/Still usually head to the same 4 coolers
 
2013-02-20 04:12:39 PM

Deep Contact: We used to make our own beer when we were underage and poor, then we grew up.


Pruno is not beer.
 
2013-02-20 04:13:18 PM
What's wrong with Bud Light and Appebee's?  Anyone who needs any more choice than that is a hipster douchebag.
 
2013-02-20 04:15:43 PM
And that's called fragmented culture and it usually comes about due to the very lack of cohesive history we have that sends us, cameras in hand, off to the fabooliss Ehh Yoo every couple of years or so to take snaps, hoover up trends and compare passport stamps with our fellow fragmented culture victims as we try and reference our experiences to OUR obviously superior subculture.  I think a lot of it is just marketing hacks selling costumes, but I could be mistaken.
 
2013-02-20 04:16:04 PM

NASAM: dc0012c: I'll take insufferable hipsterism anyday if it means that we don't go back to the days when Becks and Bass were high-end imports and the only place that made hamburgers with fresh beef was your house. F*ck whether it's "cool" or not, the US dining and drinking scene has improved in leaps and bounds in the last 20 years as towns of all sizes try to emulate the quality and diversity of places known for it. Get over the "hipster" vibe and enjoy a good IPA and an avocado mushroom burger.

This.  With the exception of avocado on a burger.


No! AVOCADO ON ALL THE THINGS!
 
2013-02-20 04:17:05 PM

D_Evans45: randomjsa: Since I don't drink better I always wonder about the so called superiority of these tiny little brewing companies that only produce locally.

If your product is so superior to anything I can purchase at a decent grocery store... Why aren't you selling it there?


Grocery stores are the last place to head if youre looking for good beer. You need to be heading to a specialty store, where they carry more than just the best selling mainstream beers. I think Red Stripe and Fat Tire is about as exotic as it gets at the grocers around here. But what if I want to try a thick chewy stout, or a delicious barleywine? I tired of traditional pilsner/"lager"/dull ales before I even turned 21.

This has nothing to do with hip localism, this has everything to do with specialty stores efforts of obtaining and importing the latest and best varieties in the beer world. Albertsons makes no such effort, or else Id see some world class barleywines and stouts whenever I went to the cooler. Instead, I see a wall of proven best selling piss pilsners, a bunch of "premium beers" like Heineken and Dos Equis (lol!), and maybe 2 varities Id even consider buying of the whole section (they actually carry a couple Stone offerings at my local Albertsons, though they arent my preferred brews unfortunately). And realistically, there are way too many good beers out there, that blow Albertsons staple piss out of the water, they,d need to start renovating stores to accomodate just a small fraction of these beers.

A specialty store like BevMo on the other hand, is where youll head for beer ideally. Hundreds of varieties of beer, at a store whose purpose is to accumulate the best beer in their business. Once you venture into good beer, you feel like a kid in a candy store in these places.


You have very poor taste in beer if you think alcohol content or darkness determine the quality of beer. No wonder you can't find "quality beers" in a grocery store if your idea of a quality beer is some obscure high gravity swill.

In the US we are currently experiencing a microbrewery bubble with a bunch of new breweries who live by the philosophy that more is better. It's not. More hops does not make a pale ale taste better. More roast malt does make a stout taste better. More sweetness does not make a bock taste better. More alcohol does not make whatever crappy concoction they've thrown together taste better. It's easy to brew beers with overpowering flavors and the newly converted adjunct drinkers will lap it up. Quality beers strike a perfect balance between hop bitterness, hop flavor, hop aroma, maltyness, sweetness, dryness, ect depending on the style. While there may be lots of new microbreweries out there, there are few quality ones.
 
2013-02-20 04:18:08 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: (and interesting enough, the Hipster family that moved to Hastings-On-Hudson, just moved to a more than 90% white community, while they'll probably complain about lack of racial diversity in schools while not understanding THAT bit of irony!)


thats because on paper there are large minority communities in upstate new york, and people who look at the census data will wonder why those people's children aren't present in the schools. The answer is because they count people in prison as residents for the census data and it artificially inflates the numbers. If someone told you 20% of your town was black, but only 1% of the kids at the school were, you might reach the wrong conclusion also.
 
2013-02-20 04:20:06 PM

theflatline: I was in Dos Gatos bar, Jacksonville,FL, which is a cool lounge downtown, and it was a late saturday night, and the dj was spinning some old hip hop, and these hipsters in their mid 20s were drinking pbrs, wearing upside down visors, sweatbands, chest tats, the whole thing, and they were gyrating as only white people can.

I was with a buddy who is half black, but very light skinned, and blue eyed, who was dressed normally as was I, and this hipster girl says to us "you guys too uptight to dance".

My buddy while impeccable dressed, is a break dancer.  He just stood up and broke it down until all eyes were on him, so much so some hipster dude says "slow your roll this is not a contest."

So another hipster rolls to the DJ and and requests some latin music, cause you know hipsters are worldly, and puts on Elvis Crespos suavemente, and it was my turn.  Cause you know the latin dude who lived in Colombia for 5 years, where you cannot get a girl if you cannot dance.  So I grabbed a Puerto Rican girl I know, and we danced though suavemente and Ozomatlis Cumbia de los muertos.

I guess hipsters are the only ones who think Tribe called quest is so retro, or they are only allowed on the dance floor.

I


This needs to be explained to you my Latin friend, see I'm critically Caucasian and might be able to help.
What you were witnessing was "the white boy shuffle" and it is the dance of my people. This is the dance one acquires when your culture is devoid of rhythm. Look at all the popular forms of traditional white music... folk music.. folks tend to act out the words.. like wave your hands in the air to " aint no mountain high enough" . Heavymetal and all its flavors, they just beat the crap out of each other. Trancy gothy emo music.. they just kind stand there, bounce and twist. Guitar noodling hippy blues rock.. mostly they just twirl.. they may call it a dervish, but.. really, they are just... twirling

Classical white people dancing like waltzes, polka, which is a sped up waltz has heavy regimented rules. Square dancing, call dancing and 2 step? There is some other white dude telling you what to do.

So, its really not their fault. They're just really white. You were in jacksonville after all.

Personally, in my dancing, i have embraced my whiteness and have become the master of the white boy shuffle, augmenting it with the 80's hip wiggle arm swing, and of course the.. the white tornado... where kinda just turn around in place with a bit of fake lasso thrown overhead. Then clap your hands and back into the 80's dance. Now yer rockin!
 
2013-02-20 04:22:19 PM

max_pooper: D_Evans45: randomjsa: Snip


I remember you crapping all over the beer thread from yesterday with your hatred for IPAs.  Now your shiatting on stouts and barleywines.

I'm very interested to hear what your top 3-5 beers are.
 
2013-02-20 04:23:29 PM
*You're

dammit
 
2013-02-20 04:26:13 PM

tlchwi02: thats because on paper there are large minority communities in upstate new york, and people who look at the census data will wonder why those people's children aren't present in the schools. The answer is because they count people in prison as residents for the census data and it artificially inflates the numbers. If someone told you 20% of your town was black, but only 1% of the kids at the school were, you might reach the wrong conclusion also.


Well, that's a frightening fact (which I hope you can link your research to for me, so I can see that fact for myself and remain frightened), but the reason why in the NY Times article of why the Hipster family moved to that town is because the street they looked at had, "Subarus on them and not Mercedes Benz parked in the streets" Unless the article is leaving something out, I don't think they looked at the important things to make their decision to move (such as population diversity, taxes, schools, and other factors).

http://www.fark.com/comments/7596559/Times-trend-reporters-discover- ho t-new-trend-of-Brooklyn-creative-class-migrating-to-suburbs-of-NYC-bri nging-along-their-foodie-tastes-tattoo-art-fringe-culture-to-create-hi psturbia-link-foxed

Here's the link to the prior thread (plus I failed to mention those complaints about Asbury Park, NJ turning into a Hipster hellhole are solely mine! :-D Mainly because it effects me directly when I visit there from where I live in the town next door)
 
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2013-02-20 04:27:02 PM

NASAM: max_pooper: D_Evans45: randomjsa: Snip

I remember you crapping all over the beer thread from yesterday with your hatred for IPAs.  Now your shiatting on stouts and barleywines.

I'm very interested to hear what your top 3-5 beers are.


Based on the whole retarded quality = availability argument going on here, I assume it's Schlitz, PBR, and Miller.
 
2013-02-20 04:30:30 PM
I guess I didn't see the place in the article where the writer was making a Pro-Coors Light stance.  Seems like he's a travel writer who's tired of seeing the same thing repeatedly trotted out as "unique".
 
2013-02-20 04:39:37 PM

bunner: TwowheelinTim: This dumbass needs to learn when to use a semicolon. The use of the colon here is incorrect.

Maybe he's a Kurt Vonnegut fan.


Welcome to my favorites list.

I enjoyed many of your other comments in this thread as well.
 
2013-02-20 04:43:38 PM

bandit228: I guess I didn't see the place in the article where the writer was making a Pro-Coors Light stance.  Seems like he's a travel writer who's tired of seeing the same thing repeatedly trotted out as "unique".


He should quit travel writing.

Watch any travel show and it's pretty much the same thing over and over again.  Humans tend to keep building cities the same way with the same types of places.
 
2013-02-20 04:45:44 PM

Fear the Clam: I agree with this guy pretty much down the line. I made the same discovery about 15 years ago when I had a conference in St. Louis and went to their revitalized tourist area by the river with the fake gaslights and obligatory brewpub and, in a spell of jet lag (it was a long month) suddenly blanked on what city I was in. I like a brew pub as much as the next person, and have visited them from Seattle to New Orleans, San Diego to Edinburgh, but face it, they're all pretty much the same.


You poor bastard, you ended up on Laclede's Landing, didn't you? That's where the tourists go after football/baseball/hockey games, to ride around in the horse drawn carriages over the brick-paved streets and maybe do some gambling on the riverboats. Of course, if you'd asked anybody, they would've told you to go to Soulard, which is slowly heading the same way - farmer's markets and brew pubs and loft apartments and such. But 15 years ago it was probably still cool.

I don't particularly disagree with this guy too much. He's right as far as it goes - every city trying to attract younger professionals has the same three things in their toolkit - live music scene, artisanal/locally grown/vegan/obscure food, and a craft brewing industry. And the reason they have these things is because they're putting the cart before the horse - they think if they can get young professionals to move to town, suddenly AT&T will plop down a data center or Merck will build a pharmaceutical research lab. I mean, that's basically what Portland has been trying to do for the last several decades - if they could siphon off the talent from San Francisco and Seattle, then maybe they could get that software/Silicon Valley business, too. Instead they got artisanal free range egg farming and scooter clubs.

The problem is that there's no uniqueness left in the country. We're too homogenized for any place to really be that much better than any other place. You know why lobster in Maine was a big deal, or steak in Kansas City? Because that's where that food came from. You couldn't get Maine lobster air-freighted in on ice the day after it came off the boat, or your steaks drop-shipped straight from the butcher with 2 day delivery back in the day, you had to go there to get it. You couldn't get Coors east of the Mississippi River. Now, I can get "Buffalo chicken wings" out of the cooler at the grocery store. How long did it take "chipotle ranch dressing" to become a thing nationally? As soon as somebody has a good idea, it's on the web and is instantly available for copying by all like-minded establishments elsewhere.

Now, the thing is, this isn't necessarily bad. I like having good food and good beer and good music and all the other things. But quit acting like good food, beer, and music make you so much more special than any other place in the country. Everybody has good food, beer, and music these days. Everybody has a cute little hipster art gallery that does letterpress printing or old school blacksmithing or hand-thrown pottery or whatever. So stop acting like it's all because you're the most speciallest snowflake in the world who has such a brilliant idea and that special know how to make your own goat cheese to put on your gluten-free pizzas with the hand-raised asparagus and zucchini that your grew on the fire escape of your converted office building loft apartment. Everybody does it. It's delicious. You're not special, your city isn't special, and insisting that it must be because you like it so much is just annoying to the rest of us who like our own cities very much as well.
 
2013-02-20 04:48:57 PM

NASAM: max_pooper: D_Evans45: randomjsa: Snip

I remember you crapping all over the beer thread from yesterday with your hatred for IPAs.  Now your shiatting on stouts and barleywines.

I'm very interested to hear what your top 3-5 beers are.


I'm not knocking IPAs, stouts or barelywines. I'm a fan of pretty much all styles. The problem is that there are a great many out there that are not very good. There are lots of hipsters out there that think just because a beer has overpowering flavor and a high price it is good. Chances are high that they don't actually like Big Boner Brewery Company's Double Anal Fisting IPA, they just think they look cool by claiming to like it. There are many breweries out there selling swill to these types. I have no problem with swindling hipsters but don't try to sell me on it being the bestest beer in the whole wild world.

It's difficult to claim a "favorite" as there are many great beers of differing styles that are the perfect beer depending on the situation, but if I was forced to choose only one beer to drink for the rest of my life it would be Sierra Nevada Pale Ale.
 
2013-02-20 04:50:37 PM
Hey guys lets all start drinking Bud Light, ironically.
 
2013-02-20 04:51:10 PM
well I have Deschutes Abyss (one bottle left), Old Rasputin, Stone Vertical epic 2009, Alaskan Amber, Kona Longboard, and Miller High Life in my man fridge and some serrano ham,  Pt Reyes blue cheese, Brillat Savarin, and Vermont cheddar in my kitchen fridge so I think I have a little something for everyone to hate or belittle.

/26 minutes?
 
2013-02-20 05:10:44 PM
max_pooper:

Calm down Susie, I didnt say ABV makes a beer or anything like it. Also, I love plenty of pale beer.

I fail to understand your blind hatred of good beer. Does the butthurt from hearing your piss pilsners degraded really gnaw that bad? Sorry, but these beers are about as shallow and uncomplex as you can find in America. I dont knock anyone for drinking pilsner in the same way I dont mock Sams Club boxed mac n chese eaters for enjoying boxed mac. But lets not pretend Sams Club boxed mac is anything special compared to real, fresh gourmet mac n cheese at an authentic Italian restaurant.

I dont care how or where my beer is produced, in what limited quantities, etc. I do however care that my beer tastes good. If Im drinking, Im drinking something that is delicious. And the beermakers you idolize, they simply cant provide this. Id rather drink liquor than stuff like domestic light pilsners; at least a mixed drink tastes good. Youd need to drink a liter of bladder busting, watery, tasteless swill to feel anything, and the experience itself sucks.
 
2013-02-20 05:17:14 PM
Geez, who peed in your Belgian Dubble Ale?

/it's just marketing, get over it
 
2013-02-20 05:18:42 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: bunner: DarkSoulNoHope: To me a Hipster is a person who does take from various things of the past and present and mixes them up into a mess until it becomes palitable only to them and other hipsters, then that hipster will get confused and flustered about why no one else is doing "this great thing" they just made up (or stole from other subcultures and/or forgotten mainstream culture of the past) until it does become popular, than the Hipster disowns it and tries to find something new to be "unique" on.

And that is precisely  how most of the whole of what we call culture, you  know, the stuff from Europe, over the last 400 years developed.  For better or worse, posturing ninnies touting florid reincarnations of samo samo are why we have nice things.

Except it didn't use to happen year by year, culture used to either be defined in the United States by either a 10 year cycle (e.g. The  60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, ect) or by generational titles ("The Greatest Generation", "Baby Boomers", "Generation X", "Generation Y", "Millennials" and so on), people who didn't follow those cycles were labeled as part of a named "subculture" (if named at all) and followed their own devices in how to act but it all mixes in.

Now if a Goth (the subculture I consider myself a part of) has a way of being that doesn't click with mainstream society, we just go about our business (unless attacked directly, THEN HIDEOUS VENGEANCE OF DOOOOOMMMM SHALL REIGN UPON THE PERSON WHO PROVOKED ME! ...sorry, got carried away there for a second!) and understand if they stare that they might be uncomfortable at that point, but didn't follow the same path we do and we move on (Goths use "Oh why don't these mere mortals understand me" as a humorous joke, not seriously).

A Hipster most likely will scoff at these people who don't wear mismatched clothing with a fedora hat and glasses frames sans lenses as, "mundanes" (even that term will be leveled at the Goth that walks by, that the Hipster stole the idea off of ...


Sorry about the full quotiness, but that is just about as great an explanation of subculture as I have ever heard. Thanks! Also, I appreciate your Fark handle as very goth-y.  Nice.

/Part of the geek and filker subcultures, myself
//Freaking the 'danes
///Also slashie subculture
 
2013-02-20 05:20:15 PM

D_Evans45: max_pooper:

Calm down Susie, I didnt say ABV makes a beer or anything like it. Also, I love plenty of pale beer.

I fail to understand your blind hatred of good beer. Does the butthurt from hearing your piss pilsners degraded really gnaw that bad? Sorry, but these beers are about as shallow and uncomplex as you can find in America. I dont knock anyone for drinking pilsner in the same way I dont mock Sams Club boxed mac n chese eaters for enjoying boxed mac. But lets not pretend Sams Club boxed mac is anything special compared to real, fresh gourmet mac n cheese at an authentic Italian restaurant.

I dont care how or where my beer is produced, in what limited quantities, etc. I do however care that my beer tastes good. If Im drinking, Im drinking something that is delicious. And the beermakers you idolize, they simply cant provide this. Id rather drink liquor than stuff like domestic light pilsners; at least a mixed drink tastes good. Youd need to drink a liter of bladder busting, watery, tasteless swill to feel anything, and the experience itself sucks.


You guys are sitting over there arguing about beer, and mac and cheese.  And I'm over here wondering when mac and cheese became either "authentic" or Italian?
 
2013-02-20 05:20:30 PM

udhq: What's wrong with Bud Light and Appebee's?  Anyone who needs any more choice than that is a hipster douchebag.


Then I guess the fact that I want a better beer/food selection makes me one of them then. Boo-Hoo. I am gonna go cry in my cubicle right now.
 
2013-02-20 05:21:57 PM
Also, why do you care if there are an abundance of shiatty breweries? Are you equally as butthurt by all the shiatty restaurants that exist in America? IMO, most breweries have at least one hallmark brew worth enjoying, even if the other styles arent your cup of tea. And thats the thing about beer styles: people can embrace an Oatmeal Stout just as much as you hate it.

Ive seen plenty of shiatty crap beers, in fact I wouldnt habitually drink the vast majority of them. Ive also eaten at plenty of shiatty restaurants that I wouldnt go back to either. But I dont harbor any sort of hatred for them for sucking. If anything, props for trying something new, and being better than anything Bud Miller Coors is providing.
 
2013-02-20 05:23:01 PM

bandit228: I guess I didn't see the place in the article where the writer was making a Pro-Coors Light stance.  Seems like he's a travel writer who's tired of seeing the same thing repeatedly trotted out as "unique".


His examples of "unique" neighborhoods are so bad he must be a terrible travel writer.
 
2013-02-20 05:32:17 PM

Kahabut: D_Evans45:...

You guys are sitting over there arguing about beer, and mac and cheese.  And I'm over here wondering when mac and cheese became either "authentic" or Italian?



Well most people can draw those lines, plus I imagine me and this guy arguing are both intoxicated to some extent. I dont think we need to be 100% precise about where our pasta dishes, or variations thereof, originated.

But it wouldnt be Fark without some pedantic Farker wandering into a discussion to nitpick something entirely unrelated, would it?
 
2013-02-20 05:32:51 PM

Cerebral Knievel: theflatline: I was in Dos Gatos bar, Jacksonville,FL, which is a cool lounge downtown, and it was a late saturday night, and the dj was spinning some old hip hop, and these hipsters in their mid 20s were drinking pbrs, wearing upside down visors, sweatbands, chest tats, the whole thing, and they were gyrating as only white people can.

I was with a buddy who is half black, but very light skinned, and blue eyed, who was dressed normally as was I, and this hipster girl says to us "you guys too uptight to dance".

My buddy while impeccable dressed, is a break dancer.  He just stood up and broke it down until all eyes were on him, so much so some hipster dude says "slow your roll this is not a contest."

So another hipster rolls to the DJ and and requests some latin music, cause you know hipsters are worldly, and puts on Elvis Crespos suavemente, and it was my turn.  Cause you know the latin dude who lived in Colombia for 5 years, where you cannot get a girl if you cannot dance.  So I grabbed a Puerto Rican girl I know, and we danced though suavemente and Ozomatlis Cumbia de los muertos.

I guess hipsters are the only ones who think Tribe called quest is so retro, or they are only allowed on the dance floor.

I

This needs to be explained to you my Latin friend, see I'm critically Caucasian and might be able to help.
What you were witnessing was "the white boy shuffle" and it is the dance of my people. This is the dance one acquires when your culture is devoid of rhythm. Look at all the popular forms of traditional white music... folk music.. folks tend to act out the words.. like wave your hands in the air to " aint no mountain high enough" . Heavymetal and all its flavors, they just beat the crap out of each other. Trancy gothy emo music.. they just kind stand there, bounce and twist. Guitar noodling hippy blues rock.. mostly they just twirl.. they may call it a dervish, but.. really, they are just... twirling

Classical white people dancing like waltzes, polka, whic ...


I heart this post so much. When I dance, I have to hand out waivers: "I acknowledge that by standing within arm's, and sometimes leg's, distance of Mitch Taylor's Bro on the dance floor, I absolve him of all liability for any injuries or deaths that may occur as a result. Signed___________ Date_________ Witnessed by___________ Date_______"
 
2013-02-20 05:35:37 PM

max_pooper: NASAM: max_pooper: D_Evans45: randomjsa: Snip

I remember you crapping all over the beer thread from yesterday with your hatred for IPAs.  Now your shiatting on stouts and barleywines.

I'm very interested to hear what your top 3-5 beers are.

I'm not knocking IPAs, stouts or barelywines. I'm a fan of pretty much all styles. The problem is that there are a great many out there that are not very good. There are lots of hipsters out there that think just because a beer has overpowering flavor and a high price it is good. Chances are high that they don't actually like Big Boner Brewery Company's Double Anal Fisting IPA, they just think they look cool by claiming to like it. There are many breweries out there selling swill to these types. I have no problem with swindling hipsters but don't try to sell me on it being the bestest beer in the whole wild world.

It's difficult to claim a "favorite" as there are many great beers of differing styles that are the perfect beer depending on the situation, but if I was forced to choose only one beer to drink for the rest of my life it would be Sierra Nevada Pale Ale.


That one sets off my salivary glands...and not in a good way. Give me Newcastle Brown Ale or give me...something else :-)
 
2013-02-20 05:36:43 PM

caddisfly: [s3.amazonaws.com image 281x429]
Article's author penned the above, a fantastically funny book for anyone who has ever visited a third world country with a backpack.  Last I heard he was still living in the hipster miasma that is Portland.


Having RTFA I'm quite certain I have read enough of Mr. Thompson's writing for this lifetime.
 
2013-02-20 05:37:30 PM

mafiageek1980: udhq: What's wrong with Bud Light and Appebee's?  Anyone who needs any more choice than that is a hipster douchebag.

Then I guess the fact that I want a better beer/food selection makes me one of them then. Boo-Hoo. I am gonna go cry in my cubicle right now.


Have you even tried Bud Light Lime?
 
2013-02-20 05:41:39 PM

amquelbettamin: Is it bad this link made me want to go eat and drink in Nashville to Rascal Flatts?


Rascal Flatts is actually from Columbus, which, per the article is the same thing as Nashville, and everywhere else that's NY or LA, so I suppose it doesn't matter. But why don't I want to move back to LA? It seems so obvious, but I don't get it. I'm not with it I suppose. Not, I guess, Hip.
 
2013-02-20 05:42:05 PM

D_Evans45: max_pooper:

Calm down Susie, I didnt say ABV makes a beer or anything like it. Also, I love plenty of pale beer.

I fail to understand your blind hatred of good beer. Does the butthurt from hearing your piss pilsners degraded really gnaw that bad? Sorry, but these beers are about as shallow and uncomplex as you can find in America. I dont knock anyone for drinking pilsner in the same way I dont mock Sams Club boxed mac n chese eaters for enjoying boxed mac. But lets not pretend Sams Club boxed mac is anything special compared to real, fresh gourmet mac n cheese at an authentic Italian restaurant.

I dont care how or where my beer is produced, in what limited quantities, etc. I do however care that my beer tastes good. If Im drinking, Im drinking something that is delicious. And the beermakers you idolize, they simply cant provide this. Id rather drink liquor than stuff like domestic light pilsners; at least a mixed drink tastes good. Youd need to drink a liter of bladder busting, watery, tasteless swill to feel anything, and the experience itself sucks.


Wow, you are ignorant about beer.  You say you don't think ABV drives quality and you like pale beers but then you knock pilsners. Large corporate breweries bastardized the pilsner style when they invented a sub-style called American light lager. That's your InBev and MillerCoors products. A true pilsner tastes nothing like BudMillerCoors Light. Open your horizons with a Mama's Little Yella by Oscar Blues, it's one of the best pilsners I've had.

I like quality beers of all styles, that includes pilsner, bock, maibock, oktoberfest, kolsh, reds ale, blondes ale, white ale, brown ale, golden ale, cream ale, porter, stout porter, pales ale, Steam ale, bitter, special bitter, extra special bitter, heffewiezen, krystal wiezen, trappist ale, alt, rauchebier, and barleywine to name a few.

While there are many breweries today, many of them are nothing special. A great many of them are proudly supported by people who have no clue about what they like but they drink it because they think it's cool. Don't try to tell that that your local brewery is the best in the world because their coffee stout is off the chain. Chances are it is indistinguishable to what's coming out of a dozen other breweries around the country.
 
2013-02-20 05:45:08 PM
I don't really have a pony in this heat as far as the microbrew thing because I don't drink beer, but I've heard it's a vast canvas of nuance as to the results.
 
2013-02-20 05:47:33 PM

NASAM: bluefox3681:
A true pilsner, koelsch style, or black lager .

Dear lord, NO.

I have yet to taste one that didn't taste like a glorified Budwiser.

Ales, Stouts, or GTFO


My friend, you need to come to Milwaukee and drink some of the good German beers.  And not the swill we export.
 
2013-02-20 05:53:56 PM

udhq: mafiageek1980: udhq: What's wrong with Bud Light and Appebee's?  Anyone who needs any more choice than that is a hipster douchebag.

Then I guess the fact that I want a better beer/food selection makes me one of them then. Boo-Hoo. I am gonna go cry in my cubicle right now.

Have you even tried Bud Light Lime?


yeah, and it was nasty. Reminded me a bit too much of Corona, which is also nasty. I don't consider myself a beer snob in the least though. Hell, I will drink Tecate and PBR if I am broke. I just don't like most of the budwiser line, cept their Amber one they have. It isn't too bad
 
2013-02-20 05:54:44 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: max_pooper: NASAM: max_pooper: D_Evans45: randomjsa: Snip

I remember you crapping all over the beer thread from yesterday with your hatred for IPAs.  Now your shiatting on stouts and barleywines.

I'm very interested to hear what your top 3-5 beers are.

I'm not knocking IPAs, stouts or barelywines. I'm a fan of pretty much all styles. The problem is that there are a great many out there that are not very good. There are lots of hipsters out there that think just because a beer has overpowering flavor and a high price it is good. Chances are high that they don't actually like Big Boner Brewery Company's Double Anal Fisting IPA, they just think they look cool by claiming to like it. There are many breweries out there selling swill to these types. I have no problem with swindling hipsters but don't try to sell me on it being the bestest beer in the whole wild world.

It's difficult to claim a "favorite" as there are many great beers of differing styles that are the perfect beer depending on the situation, but if I was forced to choose only one beer to drink for the rest of my life it would be Sierra Nevada Pale Ale.

That one sets off my salivary glands...and not in a good way. Give me Newcastle Brown Ale or give me...something else :-)


New Castle is a quality beer but British ales are not my favorite. I'm not a fan of the ester profile of traditional British yeast strains.
 
2013-02-20 06:06:01 PM
So pilsner = all pale beer then? I love pale ales, I dont care for pale pilsners. Ive not yet tried nor do I particularly yearn to try a "true" pilsner either.

I still fail to see how you keep dragging ABV into the equation, I love hefeweizens that cant top 5% ABV if that, just as much as some Old Guardian barleywine at 13+% ABV.

Also, way to put your tail between your legs when queried about your top 5 beers. Sierra Nevada had to be the safest choice you could have grasped at. Im sure its Sierra Nevada followed by Coors, Bud, Miller, and King Cobra. Or at least your disdain for anything with color or alcohol content would illustrate.

I indeed realize there is a lot of subpar beer out there... So? Should all brewers stop trying to brew stout because there are already plenty of stouts? Sounds pretty farkin stupid to me. Sounds like you should quit being so butthurt. Get over it, dude. People like what you dont like; in this case its good beer. You didnt have to shiat all over multiple beer threads to make your point.

Personally, Im perfectly fine with people putting out 3 star beer, as long as they had fun doing it and learned something from it. At least 3 star beer is better than 1 star Pilsner, its a step in the right direction. I think you should be closer to this side of the boat.
 
2013-02-20 06:18:11 PM

bluefox3681: NASAM: bluefox3681:
A true pilsner, koelsch style, or black lager .

Dear lord, NO.

I have yet to taste one that didn't taste like a glorified Budwiser.

Ales, Stouts, or GTFO

My friend, you need to come to Milwaukee and drink some of the good German beers.  And not the swill we export.


Just not a fan of the style.  I've had Oskar Blues Little' Mamas Yella, Three Floyd's Gorch Fock, New Glarus Laughing Fox, Weinhenstephan, and Haufbrau, just to name a few of the "better" beers of the pils/lager/wit .  None of them do anything for me.

Now if you want to talk about some German ales or bocks, or raucbiers, get at me.
 
2013-02-20 06:20:10 PM

AbbeySomeone: SnarfVader: It's like he completely missed the point of microbreweries.

Plus he missed the point of Portland. Portland is not the Pearl. The Pearl is an abomination.

30 years ago when i lived in portland I expressed an interest in buying an old warehouse and making loft apartments. I was laughed at. The Pearl is where the trendy outsiders park themselves. Also, NW Portland was a blast when it was cheap, uncrowded by traffic and run by junkies and gays.


you mean you were there before it was cool?
 
2013-02-20 06:50:11 PM

bunner: And that's called fragmented culture and it usually comes about due to the very lack of cohesive history we have that sends us, cameras in hand, off to the fabooliss Ehh Yoo every couple of years or so to take snaps, hoover up trends and compare passport stamps with our fellow fragmented culture victims as we try and reference our experiences to OUR obviously superior subculture.  I think a lot of it is just marketing hacks selling costumes, but I could be mistaken.


Well, it eventually becomes marketing hacks selling costumes but before that happens, most subcultures come out of good ideas. For example, instead of making happy disco music, the Punks realized, "Hey, don't you guys remember how we were lied to by the government and multinational corporations about Vietnam and other things?" and turned it into a musical art form. Goths realized, "The world isn't such a happy and nice place after all and everyone has to look forward to death," and instead of slashing our wrists Goths turned our frustrations into music and other art forms. (the Emos on the other hand just slash their wrists when they don't get a Playstation for Xmas! :-D )

My problem with Hipsters is that they take from just about every current and past subculture (and some mainstream cultures, if it is old enough to be forgotten by most) and mix it all into a confusing mess, then turn it around and claim it's their own unique "invention". Which would be fine if they didn't act like, "Oh you wouldn't understand, this is a much different obscure thing" when a member of the subculture that the Hipster took influence from (and/or stole) points out the similarity (or just is a plain arsehole when he/she interacts with non-Hipsters).
 
2013-02-20 06:58:42 PM

phyrkrakr: You poor bastard, you ended up on Laclede's Landing, didn't you?


I was at a conference in St. Louis and I've never been a local there, so of course I did.

Now, the thing is, this isn't necessarily bad. I  like having good food and good beer and good music and all the other things. But quit acting like good food, beer, and music make you so much more special than any other place in the country. Everybody has good food, beer, and music these days. Everybody has a cute little hipster art gallery that does letterpress printing or old school blacksmithing or hand-thrown pottery or whatever. So stop acting like it's all because you're the most speciallest snowflake in the world who has such a brilliant idea and that special know how to make your own goat cheese to put on your gluten-free pizzas with the hand-raised asparagus and zucchini that your grew on the fire escape of your converted office building loft apartment. Everybody does it. It's delicious. You're not special, your city isn't special, and insisting that it must be because you like it so much is just annoying to the rest of us who like our own cities very much as well.

This would make a very fine newsletter, and I would subscribe to it.
 
2013-02-20 07:44:56 PM
Drink what you want to drink and be happy.
 
2013-02-20 08:00:06 PM

Mock26: Drink what you want to drink and be happy.


But how can I be happy if I can't feel superior to people who drink the things I drink?
 
2013-02-20 08:01:16 PM
I mean, who *don't* drink the things I drink.  Dammit.
 
2013-02-20 08:14:48 PM
With regards to drinking, it's the who, not the what, where or when.
 
2013-02-20 08:17:14 PM
Gimmie a glass of whiskey, set a dead animal of fire and give me some fresh baked bread to keep it company.  Salt, pepper and butter will do.  Skip the designer dessert.
 
2013-02-20 08:19:46 PM
It sounds like we all agree:

· The author is a negative ninny.

· He also cannot discern a gastropub haven from a douchebag district (i.e.: Gaslamp in San Diego, where a meal costs $80 but you can take the trolley to Tijuana instead).

· The re-invigoration of the American palette is a good thing. If we need to stop eating garbage, let's make artisan versions of our junk food to make room for the greens and spices, hops and lees.

· It's good to see gastronomic advances spreading across the nation. It gets people mingling and makes older cities worth living in again. Huzzah!

That resolved, let's all get craft beer and burgers and shoot some nine-ball! It's half the plan for my honeymoon.
 
2013-02-20 08:23:32 PM

Osomatic: Mock26: Drink what you want to drink and be happy.

But how can I be happy if I can't feel superior to people who drink the things I drink?


You can obtain happiness by kicking them in the nuts.
 
2013-02-20 08:28:35 PM
This dude is as bitter has the  Flying Monkeys Alpha Fornication Limited Release pale ale his undoubtedly sipping while lamenting how every "cool" town is so not cool anymore.

I'll give it to him that many places are playing at contrived "placedom" instead of just fostering and cherishing authenticity. Thank god I live in a city that (mostly) does the latter. We have our share of hipster douche-nozzle establishments, but us true blood Yankees have very little patience for bullshiat.

/Portland, ME - the "original" Portland
 
2013-02-20 08:55:02 PM

AbbeySomeone: SnarfVader: It's like he completely missed the point of microbreweries.

Plus he missed the point of Portland. Portland is not the Pearl. The Pearl is an abomination.

30 years ago when i lived in portland I expressed an interest in buying an old warehouse and making loft apartments. I was laughed at. The Pearl is where the trendy outsiders park themselves. Also, NW Portland was a blast when it was cheap, uncrowded by traffic and run by junkies and gays.


NW Portland was a blast for me until a junkie stole nearly my entire wardrobe from our apartment's laundry room.  Insult to injury was being panhandled by a junkie wearing my Wisconsin Badgers t-shirt the following week.

/early 90's, back when Wimpy's handed out free beer tokens if you were drinking fast enough
 
2013-02-20 09:06:02 PM
I recently moved to Tampa and this has quickly become my favorite brewery ever

beerstreetjournal.com
 
2013-02-20 09:18:01 PM
Hipsters are the children of Punks, same values just a better work ethic.
 
2013-02-20 09:24:41 PM
Mitch Taylor's Bro:
I heart this post so much. When I dance, I have to hand out waivers: "I acknowledge that by standing within arm's, and sometimes leg's, distance of Mitch Taylor's Bro on the dance floor, I absolve him of all liability for any injuries or deaths that may occur as a result. Signed___________ Date_________ Witnessed by___________ Date_______"

I'm just doing my part to promote cultural awareness
 
2013-02-20 09:59:00 PM

roncofooddehydrator: I recently moved to Tampa and this has quickly become my favorite brewery ever

[beerstreetjournal.com image 422x284]


Welcome to the area!  Three new breweries are opening up in downtown St. Petersburg by year end if all goes according to plan.
 
2013-02-20 10:03:18 PM

roncofooddehydrator: I recently moved to Tampa and this has quickly become my favorite brewery ever

[beerstreetjournal.com image 422x284]


Any interest in possibly making a trade for some Two Brothers or Three Floyds?
 
2013-02-20 10:19:17 PM
Must ...resist...trolling....beer and hipster thread.....

/jonesing real bad....
 
2013-02-20 10:47:36 PM

plewis: So, in other words, Hipsters are overwhelmingly democratic voters.  Gotcha.  We should all hate them.  Never mind that you can just eat the good food and drink the good beer and forget about the rest of that crap, no we need to be REAL Americans and eat shiat and drink pisswater light.

Why are republicans against small businesses?  I thought they were pro small businesses.


The author wrote that book which was "a northern manifesto for southern secession".  I don't think that he's a Republican.

And brewpubs are a wonderful alternative to the traditional dive and clubbing.  It's great to relax when drinking, and not require the drink in order to relax.
 
2013-02-21 12:26:04 AM

bingethinker: It's okay, Fark. Hipsters are not going to invade your mom's basement.


It could happen .
 
2013-02-21 01:13:38 AM

Billy Bathsalt: Citrate1007: The author is more insufferable than any hipster I've ever met.

If only there were a product that could remove the sand that is irritating him and leave him as fresh as a summer's eve.


True. An extreme case of silicavaginitis.

Code Blue! Administer the Autumn's Dusk! Stat!
 
2013-02-21 01:17:57 AM

belhade: Wow. they put Poughkeepsie in that article. Cool? Hipster? No, still pretty much trash.

Though you may want to drive a few more minutes north up Route 9.


Nice digs...what's the rent?
 
2013-02-21 01:20:12 AM

FarkedOver: I'm glad I don't drink beer any more.  I just drink the hard stuff to forget about what a shiatty day I had.


Less fattening too!
 
2013-02-21 02:04:51 AM
I figured it out.   Link.  Piece of Cake.  It also explains the Sacto thing.  It also explains Portland.
 
2013-02-21 04:22:38 AM

Lumpmoose: As in all It Cities, Portland's status is codified by its need for recognition from outsiders, embellished by how effectively it commercializes that attention, and sustained by the intensity of its need to prove that you don't have to live in New York or L.A. to be surrounded by awesome musicians, world-class theater, and pretentious Sazerac culture.

Except that you sort of do.

Ah, there's the punchline: "Everywhere except NYC and LA suck."


A point asserted without support. Not surprisingly,
 
2013-02-21 04:34:54 AM

bluefox3681: dc0012c: I'll take insufferable hipsterism anyday if it means that we don't go back to the days when Becks and Bass were high-end imports and the only place that made hamburgers with fresh beef was your house. F*ck whether it's "cool" or not, the US dining and drinking scene has improved in leaps and bounds in the last 20 years as towns of all sizes try to emulate the quality and diversity of places known for it. Get over the "hipster" vibe and enjoy a good IPA and an avocado mushroom burger.

Why would you drink an IPA with an avocado mushroom burger?  The hops will overbear on the avocado.  Savage.
A true pilsner, koelsch style, or black lager would work much better with the mushroom and avocado.


Lager snob? Ick. Hop snobs are so much more down to earth.
 
2013-02-21 06:47:44 AM

dc0012c: I'll take insufferable hipsterism anyday if it means that we don't go back to the days when Becks and Bass were high-end imports and the only place that made hamburgers with fresh beef was your house. F*ck whether it's "cool" or not, the US dining and drinking scene has improved in leaps and bounds in the last 20 years as towns of all sizes try to emulate the quality and diversity of places known for it. Get over the "hipster" vibe and enjoy a good IPA and an avocado mushroom burger.


I think you kinda missed the point of the article.
The author was not, I think, complaining specifically about brewpubs.  He was lamenting the ironically predictable nature of the entire "unique and innovative" scene that pops up in cities that become deemed hip and trendy.  This includes everything from the trendy brewpub or food trucks to the 8 dozen local bands that pop out of the woodwork and the new apartment buildings created from renovated factories and warehouses.

Frankly I think the whole article smells exactly like the thing he is complaining about, but at least he isn't complaining about good food or drink.
 
2013-02-21 09:22:47 AM

D_Evans45: I fail to understand your blind hatred of good beer. Does the butthurt from hearing your piss pilsners degraded really gnaw that bad? Sorry, but these beers are about as shallow and uncomplex as you can find in America.


Those aren't Pilsners. Those are light American lagers.
 
2013-02-21 09:24:46 AM

D_Evans45: So pilsner = all pale beer then? I love pale ales, I dont care for pale pilsners. Ive not yet tried nor do I particularly yearn to try a "true" pilsner either.


Actual Pilsners taste similar to pale ales.
 
2013-02-21 09:27:41 AM

NASAM: just to name a few of the "better" beers of the pils/lager/wit .  None of them do anything for me.

Now if you want to talk about some German ales or bocks


This statement makes no sense. You say lagers do nothing for you, then you say you like bocks, which are lagers...
 
2013-02-21 10:38:16 AM

roncofooddehydrator: I recently moved to Tampa and this has quickly become my favorite brewery ever


They make some awesome stuff. I can get Jai-Alai IPA up here in St. Augustine and it's my fave right now. One of my go-to fish places has the Maduro Brown Ale on tap but I haven't tried it.

Gawdzila:
I think you kinda missed the point of the article.
The author was not, I think, complaining specifically about brewpubs.  He was lamenting the ironically predictable nature of the entire "unique and innovative" scene that pops up in cities that become deemed hip and trendy.  This includes everything from the trendy brewpub or food trucks to the 8 dozen local bands that pop out of the woodwork and the new apartment buildings created from renovated factories and warehouses.


I agree with your point, did not miss the point of the article and feel that the article itself missed the point. My observation is that no one should give two rat's asses about whether or not they live in/visit an "it" city and should just take advantage of the hipster trendiness and enjoy the upgrade to their dining and drinking options.
 
2013-02-21 01:54:38 PM

pseydtonne: It sounds like we all agree:

· The author is a negative ninny.

· He also cannot discern a gastropub haven from a douchebag district


I say again: gastropubs ARE douchbag magnets.  It's also worth pointing out that "artisan" is a dogwhistle codeword for bourgeois gentrified vapidity.
 
2013-02-21 03:30:46 PM

NASAM: Tumunga: theflatline: dc0012c: I'll take insufferable hipsterism anyday if it means that we don't go back to the days when Becks and Bass were high-end imports and the only place that made hamburgers with fresh beef was your house. F*ck whether it's "cool" or not, the US dining and drinking scene has improved in leaps and bounds in the last 20 years as towns of all sizes try to emulate the quality and diversity of places known for it. Get over the "hipster" vibe and enjoy a good IPA and an avocado mushroom burger.

I grew up in New Orleans, where good food and booze was always aplenty.

Throwing a slice of flavorless US grown avocado on food is the height of hipster cooking.

Me and the Mrs. have been hanging around in Fountain Square on the southeast side of Indianapolis. We're old compared to the artsy yokels down there, but it's a fine place to have a drink and catch a show. We saw Wanda Jackson down there not too long ago, and I even had a PBR. Am I cool yet, or am I supposed to not try to be cool because it's cool to do that? Help.

You were in Fountain Square and didn't have a beer from Fountain Square?

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You were right there!


End of the Line, sir. Had me one of them there bourbon beers, or as I called it, the Hipster Boilermaker.
 
2013-02-22 01:28:35 PM

max_pooper: impaler: They had microbreweries in Des Moines in the 90s.

Calling microbrews hipster is like calling McDonalds hipster.

Microbrewies in themselves are not "hipster."  A brewery that produces a hop backed, organic snozberry infused, raw oak aged, triple, imperial, smoked altbier or something along those lines is probably only patronized by hipster douche bags.


Microbreweries are not hipster. Microbreweries that do lagers are hipster.
 
2013-02-22 02:08:41 PM

bluefox3681: NASAM: bluefox3681:
A true pilsner, koelsch style, or black lager .

Dear lord, NO.

I have yet to taste one that didn't taste like a glorified Budwiser.

Ales, Stouts, or GTFO

My friend, you need to come to Milwaukee and drink some of the good German beers.  And not the swill we export.


Anyone who finds flavor, body, or anything exceptional in a German-style brew is a farking degenerate. I'd have more respect for people who sniffed girls' bicycle seats.
 
2013-02-22 02:11:43 PM

impaler: D_Evans45: So pilsner = all pale beer then? I love pale ales, I dont care for pale pilsners. Ive not yet tried nor do I particularly yearn to try a "true" pilsner either.

Actual Pilsners taste similar to pale ales.


Sorry. The word pilsner has lost meaning through use. It now means piss weak. Any other use is illegitimate, and any pilsnes that is not piss weak is just as illegitimate.
 
2013-02-22 02:22:16 PM
I'm pleased to see I've done my little bit to shut down this debate.

I hope all of you will hold your manhoods cheap next time you drink a beer than isn't bitter enough to make you want to vomit.
 
2013-02-23 10:15:22 PM

impaler: NASAM: just to name a few of the "better" beers of the pils/lager/wit .  None of them do anything for me.

Now if you want to talk about some German ales or bocks

This statement makes no sense. You say lagers do nothing for you, then you say you like bocks, which are lagers...


Bocks were originally ales, though.  And even now that they are lagered they are, in general, darker and maltier and lack the hoppiness of most pilsners and lagers.
 
2013-02-23 10:29:06 PM

dc0012c: I agree with your point, did not miss the point of the article and feel that the article itself missed the point.


While I agree with your observation that we should just take advantage of these things as we see fit, I find this sentiment a little confusing.

Disagreeing with the author is one thing, but saying that the article missed the point is basically saying he should have had a different opinion, or written a different article entirely.  It assumes that there was, objectively, some point sitting there waiting to be made aside from the one the article brought up, and that the article simply failed to address it.  It's like criticizing a chick flick about a romance novel writer living in NYC by saying that it should have been a thriller about a series of bank heists.  You're not actually criticizing the movie, you're really just saying that you wish you went to a different one.  It only makes sense to criticize something on its own terms, not suggest that it should have been a different thing entirely.

That's which is why I thought you missed the point; because the article had nothing to do with enjoying beer, but that's what your comment revolved around.
Anyway, just clarifying why I responded the way I did.
 
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