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(The New York Times)   Because there are parts of elementary school that haven't been hammered into tedious regimental drudgery by education bureaucrats who haven't set foot in a classroom in 20 years: gym class, now with math and grammar drills   (nytimes.com) divider line 87
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2013-02-20 11:53:33 AM
Dear NYTimes: Gym class hasn't been "fun and games" since the mid-70's at least.

/Shut up, I'm not old yet
 
2013-02-20 12:05:08 PM
We used to have math drills in Gym class all the time...

"Ok, Johnny is ~34 meters away and we have a 1.2 pound rubber ball.  What initial velocity and launch angle do we need to bean him in the head from here?"
 
2013-02-20 12:22:32 PM

johnnieconnie: Dear NYTimes: Gym class hasn't been "fun and games" since the mid-70's at least.

/Shut up, I'm not old yet



Guess I got through just in time.
 
2013-02-20 12:42:13 PM
Wait, we're finally going to require coaches and PE teachers to have some teaching skills?

That is a huge change from when I was in school.
 
2013-02-20 01:12:07 PM
aww poor subby sounds fat and stupid.
 
2013-02-20 01:20:08 PM
It's all fun and games until you get to the gladiatorial blood sport that is dodgeball.
 
2013-02-20 01:21:06 PM
It was my understanding that there would be no math.
 
2013-02-20 01:21:33 PM
I hated gym...luckily after my freshman year of high school I had a 1st period gym class and could smoke a blunt before gym every day which made things more interesting.
 
2013-02-20 01:24:03 PM
Congress is a bunch of education bureaucrats?
 
2013-02-20 01:24:23 PM

johnnieconnie: Dear NYTimes: Gym class hasn't been "fun and games" since the mid-70's at least.

/Shut up, I'm not old yet


I don't know... I went to a pretty upper class high school in the early 1990's, and gym class was just random games.  I'm not alll that athletic, so some of it wasn't "fun" to me.  But we did do stuff like bowling and the like.  And, indeed, there was no math.
 
2013-02-20 01:26:16 PM
Ms. Patelsky, the physical education teacher at Everglades Elementary School here, instructed the students to count by fours as they touched their elbows to their knees during a warm-up. They added up dots on pairs of dice before sprinting to round mats imprinted with mathematical symbols. And while in push-up position, they balanced on one arm and used the other ("Alternate!" Ms. Patelsky urged. "That's one of your vocabulary words") to stack oversize Lego blocks in columns labeled "ones," "tens" and "hundreds."

...I'm ok with this.
 
2013-02-20 01:27:01 PM

Stomponfoot: I hated gym...luckily after my freshman year of high school I had a 1st period gym class and could smoke a blunt before gym every day which made things more interesting.


I thought pot made things more relaxed, and shrooms made things more interesting.
 
2013-02-20 01:33:29 PM
I always thought PE was much more "tedious drudgery" than any of my actual classes. Who wants to go into a smelly locker room, change clothes with a bunch of your peers (which is hell if you have any body issues to begin with), and then waste an hour doing non-productive work that's never going to be relevant to the rest of your life (because you're probably not going to get a real exercise out of it)?

/yes, I know I sound fat
//get rid of PE and just have an open period where students can utilize a weight room if so inclined
 
2013-02-20 01:34:46 PM

SphericalTime: Wait, we're finally going to require coaches and PE teachers to have some teaching skills?

That is a huge change from when I was in school.


In HS--many do--they are social studies teachers usually. It's the easiest, and frankly the most fun to teach. It's linear, so deep thought isn't usually too necessary. It sucks for the intellects who want to teach it though--they only bring one skill to the table, the Coaches are able to coach and teach.

I also know some pretty devoted PE teachers. It's like any job, anywhere--if you've checked out on it, it's pretty doubtful you'll do a good job at it.
 
2013-02-20 01:35:47 PM
That reminds me of the time I was on the balance beam, slipped, and split my infinitive.
 
2013-02-20 01:45:55 PM
We shouldn't feed the little slackers until they recite every word on the nutritional labels correctly and calculate the calories in  their meals.

Before earning a bathroom pass, you have to explain siphons and estimate the volume of water needed to move a half-pound turd through a toilet.

Apply these workplace rules to elementary schools, too.
 
2013-02-20 01:49:17 PM

TimonC346: SphericalTime: Wait, we're finally going to require coaches and PE teachers to have some teaching skills?

That is a huge change from when I was in school.

In HS--many do--they are social studies teachers usually. It's the easiest, and frankly the most fun to teach. It's linear, so deep thought isn't usually too necessary. It sucks for the intellects who want to teach it though--they only bring one skill to the table, the Coaches are able to coach and teach.

I also know some pretty devoted PE teachers. It's like any job, anywhere--if you've checked out on it, it's pretty doubtful you'll do a good job at it.



I must have gone to an atypical high school, because my chemistry teacher was the basketball coach. Although one of the football coaches was a pretty lackluster history teacher.
 
2013-02-20 01:50:34 PM
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BOMBARDMENT!
 
2013-02-20 01:53:23 PM
Well, dodgeball just got a hell of a lot more complicated!
 
2013-02-20 01:53:42 PM
I had a gym teacher who would smack you with a wiffle ball bat if there wasn't enough jump in your jack.
 
2013-02-20 01:54:31 PM
My how times have changed.

My high school gym teacher used to have us play "Polish Punch Ball." It was an illegitimate cousin to kickball.

Basically, 3 wrestling mats served as first, second and third base. You could multiple people on base as long as they got a hit (by punching a softer foursquare ball). Those people on base could also run out of their batting order, and everyone could run at once to the next base. Outs were by either the opposing team catching the ball or hitting a runner with the ball.

/CSB
 
2013-02-20 01:55:12 PM

CygnusDarius: It's all fun and games until you get to the gladiatorial blood sport that is dodgeball.


As a kid who was out of shape, shy, and timid, I loved dodgeball. It was simple and fun, and it didn't require a lot of real skill.

I don't understand the kids who were afraid of it. I was more terrified of baseball - swinging and missing or not catching a small ball that came my way.
 
2013-02-20 01:55:35 PM
and yall keep voting Democrat...

i124.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-20 01:56:53 PM
oi keep math in math class same for grammar it belongs in English class.   as for teachers  my gym teacher in high school was also the football coach and he also taught History at the Jr. High the man had skills.   Not so much in coaching though the foot ball team won 1 game during my high school years.
 
2013-02-20 01:57:16 PM

TimonC346: SphericalTime: Wait, we're finally going to require coaches and PE teachers to have some teaching skills?

That is a huge change from when I was in school.

In HS--many do--they are social studies teachers usually. It's the easiest, and frankly the most fun to teach. It's linear, so deep thought isn't usually too necessary. It sucks for the intellects who want to teach it though--they only bring one skill to the table, the Coaches are able to coach and teach.

I also know some pretty devoted PE teachers. It's like any job, anywhere--if you've checked out on it, it's pretty doubtful you'll do a good job at it.


Eh, I don't know about that. I guess it depends on how you define "social studies". My history teachers always taught us to understand differing views and perspectives, even if we didn't agree with them, for example. I wouldn't call it linear.
 
2013-02-20 01:58:32 PM

clane: and yall keep voting Democrat...

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What's it like, never taking any responsibility for anything?
 
2013-02-20 02:00:05 PM

Wayne 985: CygnusDarius: It's all fun and games until you get to the gladiatorial blood sport that is dodgeball.

As a kid who was out of shape, shy, and timid, I loved dodgeball. It was simple and fun, and it didn't require a lot of real skill.

I don't understand the kids who were afraid of it. I was more terrified of baseball - swinging and missing or not catching a small ball that came my way.


I actually preferred baseball over dodgeball. Mostly because I liked baseball, and dodgeball was an excuse to drop the ball and kick my ass when the teacher left the gym.
 
2013-02-20 02:01:02 PM

downstairs: johnnieconnie: Dear NYTimes: Gym class hasn't been "fun and games" since the mid-70's at least.

/Shut up, I'm not old yet

I don't know... I went to a pretty upper class high school in the early 1990's, and gym class was just random games.  I'm not alll that athletic, so some of it wasn't "fun" to me.  But we did do stuff like bowling and the like.  And, indeed, there was no math.


Bowling with no math? Shenanigans on your gym teacher for not making you fill out the game on a piece of paper. We also had test on scoring calculations for Basketball. Teach also had a pedo mustache. He was great.
 
2013-02-20 02:01:54 PM
Schools need to bring back:

Dodge Ball
Tag
Duck, Duck, Goose
Unsafe playgrounds
a certain level of allowed bullying
 
2013-02-20 02:03:51 PM

downstairs: johnnieconnie: Dear NYTimes: Gym class hasn't been "fun and games" since the mid-70's at least.

/Shut up, I'm not old yet

I don't know... I went to a pretty upper class high school in the early 1990's, and gym class was just random games.  I'm not alll that athletic, so some of it wasn't "fun" to me.  But we did do stuff like bowling and the like.  And, indeed, there was no math.


What do you mean no math?  We had to figure out our own bowling scores!

/It came in handy since there is a place where I live now that's a total dive and doesn't have electronic scoring.
 
2013-02-20 02:06:01 PM

ferretman: Schools need to bring back:

Dodge Ball
Tag
Duck, Duck, Goose
Unsafe playgrounds
a certain level of allowed bullying


I don't know about that, but they need to re-allow self defense. Watching a kid get hit, strike back, and then be punished for it is infuriating.
 
2013-02-20 02:06:27 PM
The kind of math I did in gym class
slacktory.com www.dudelol.com
 
2013-02-20 02:06:33 PM
Dodgeball allowed us geeks to humiliate the jocks.

Then I became a jock in high school.
 
2013-02-20 02:06:52 PM

blatz514: downstairs: johnnieconnie: Dear NYTimes: Gym class hasn't been "fun and games" since the mid-70's at least.

/Shut up, I'm not old yet

I don't know... I went to a pretty upper class high school in the early 1990's, and gym class was just random games.  I'm not alll that athletic, so some of it wasn't "fun" to me.  But we did do stuff like bowling and the like.  And, indeed, there was no math.

What do you mean no math?  We had to figure out our own bowling scores!

/It came in handy since there is a place where I live now that's a total dive and doesn't have electronic scoring.


This is the way to do it. E-five!
 
2013-02-20 02:08:42 PM
I would have a problem with this... If it wasn't for the fact that US students are sucking wind academically.
 
2013-02-20 02:11:42 PM

ferretman: Schools need to bring back:

Dodge Ball
Tag
Duck, Duck, Goose
Unsafe playgrounds
a certain level of allowed bullying


They didnt start having the shooting sprees till they started suspending/expelling people for beating the bullies arses when they finally got feed up with it.

Ass beating works as a nice safety valve.
 
2013-02-20 02:12:32 PM
Solution: Hike teacher pay to 60,000 starting, & make them work all year. We'd stop scoring so poorly on testing- consider it education stop loss.
 
2013-02-20 02:13:01 PM
Fark's views on public education can best be described as a superposition of "schools aren't doing any teaching" and "schools focus too much on academics".

The only way to collapse this waveform is to expose Fark to a politically charged news article so that it will be pigeonholed into a state that happens to consistent with its ideological surroundings. This is a classical example of Fark behavior when the simultaneous compartmentalization of two opposing opinions, a double-think if you will, is suddenly made impossible.

Further investigation is required. However, care should be taken. These reactions often lead random projections of character assaults and internal weaknesses.
 
2013-02-20 02:14:24 PM

tlars699: Solution: Hike teacher pay to 60,000 starting, & make them work all year. We'd stop scoring so poorly on testing- consider it education stop loss.


I know of a few teachers that I wouldn't pay 60 cents a year.  What's needed more than higher pay is a better way to get rid of bad teachers.
 
2013-02-20 02:17:27 PM
I like that they're trying different stuff. Education couldn't be much worse than 'sit and listen then barf it up on the test.' Very few people learn well that way and, judging by the people we deem 'smart', the people that do tend to suck at everything that matters.
 
2013-02-20 02:18:36 PM
We had counting drills in gym class.  We kept score.  That way, we knew who won and who lost.
 
2013-02-20 02:30:07 PM

Oldiron_79: ferretman: Schools need to bring back:

Dodge Ball
Tag
Duck, Duck, Goose
Unsafe playgrounds
a certain level of allowed bullying

They didnt start having the shooting sprees till they started suspending/expelling people for beating the bullies arses when they finally got feed up with it.

Ass beating works as a nice safety valve.


Basically treat school like hockey.  If you keep getting picked on, drop gloves (books) and throw down. Once someone is taken down separate them and they get a 5 min major (1-2 day in school suspension).

/CSB we had a teacher when i was in school that i am convinced to this day if he saw a fight starting (the whole circle of people thing) he would wait and extra few minutes to break it up so at least some punches were thrown.
 
2013-02-20 02:38:17 PM
Between the information available on the "innernets", and a tutor here and there for areas of special emphasis (math / sciences), I see no need to send a kid to a public school anymore these days.

The good kids are dragged down by the idiots that are just there to socialize.

fark public schools.
 
2013-02-20 02:38:51 PM

johnnieconnie: Dear NYTimes: Gym class hasn't been "fun and games" since the mid-70's at least.

/Shut up, I'm not old yet


Gym was still fun in the late 80s-early 90s. This no fun shiat started right after that. I blame Columbine. It farked us all up, forever.
 
2013-02-20 02:39:15 PM

Smeggy Smurf: tlars699: Solution: Hike teacher pay to 60,000 starting, & make them work all year. We'd stop scoring so poorly on testing- consider it education stop loss.

I know of a few teachers that I wouldn't pay 60 cents a year.  What's needed more than higher pay is a better way to get rid of bad teachers.


I do agree that this is also a problem, but even with poor teachers, students that don't have constant reinforcement of what they learned during the school year during vacations tend to backslide.
That's why there was that pesky 2 month review of stuff people should know already at the beginning of each year. No vacations longer than 2 weeks, viola, test score problem solved.
 
2013-02-20 02:44:36 PM
My kids' school is one of the best public school districts in the state. They integrate everything, add physical and musical elements to academics, add academics to p.e., etc. It's a holistic approach that is producing great results. They encourage parental involvement, as well, so there is at least one parent in his class every day, helping.

So suck it, haters. The world and job market have changed; schools are adapting.
 
2013-02-20 02:45:21 PM

tlars699: Smeggy Smurf: tlars699: Solution: Hike teacher pay to 60,000 starting, & make them work all year. We'd stop scoring so poorly on testing- consider it education stop loss.

I know of a few teachers that I wouldn't pay 60 cents a year.  What's needed more than higher pay is a better way to get rid of bad teachers.

I do agree that this is also a problem, but even with poor teachers, students that don't have constant reinforcement of what they learned during the school year during vacations tend to backslide.
That's why there was that pesky 2 month review of stuff people should know already at the beginning of each year. No vacations longer than 2 weeks, viola, test score problem solved.


I have my son in a year round school.  A month break is the longest vacation he gets.  Your 2 week thing doesn't allow for a proper summer family vacation.
 
2013-02-20 02:54:52 PM

hootkr: johnnieconnie: Dear NYTimes: Gym class hasn't been "fun and games" since the mid-70's at least.

/Shut up, I'm not old yet

Gym was still fun in the late 80s-early 90s. This no fun shiat started right after that. I blame Columbine. It farked us all up, forever.


I guess I'm the only one here who went to a public elementary school (mid 70's) with a mean tyrant of a coach who hated children :(.

He ran us ragged during the good weather days, or screamed at us while making us queue up for various team sports: softball, basketball, dodgeball. We lived for bad weather days so we could play games in the gym, even though they, too were super organized. They were more fun because the assistant coach (who was a real nice lady) and the teachers took charge of the bad weather gym days.

csb:
The first time I heard Pink Floyd's 'Another Brick in the Wall' was at a bad weather day gym class in fifth or sixth grade. We talked the teachers into letting us listen to music and somehow, someone produced a Pink Floyd record and started playing it. I swear I remember the assistant principal leaping over our heads onto the stage to rip that thing off the record player after hearing "We don't need no education...". I'm pretty sure we had to run laps the next day, too :)
/csb
 
2013-02-20 02:56:00 PM
Probably not allowed anymore:
www.wwmf.org
 
2013-02-20 02:58:55 PM

Hagenhatesyouall: The good kids are dragged down by the idiots that are just there to socialize.


The kids socializing will probably be the ones running things unfortunately. We need to stop being impressed with people who socialize too much but I would not hold my breath waiting for that to happen.
 
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