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(Voice of America)   Investigator says Pistorius' account of how he killed his girlfriend consistent with what police found at the crime scene. Wait, you mean there might be another side to the story? What are we supposed to do with these torches and pitchforks?   (voanews.com) divider line 61
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2013-02-20 12:06:00 PM  
6 votes:
Even so, shouldn't it be some kind of criminal negligence to start firing blindly without actually checking the whereabouts of his girlfriend?
2013-02-20 12:42:23 PM  
5 votes:
He could see well enough to find his gun, and find his way to the bathroom, but not well enough to see that his girlfriend wasn't in the bed while taking the gun from under the bed? Smell-test not passed.
2013-02-20 12:40:11 PM  
4 votes:
I know that when I wake up and someone is in the bathroom, I start shooting first and look for my girlfriend after. Better safe than sorry.
2013-02-20 12:37:22 PM  
4 votes:

cretinbob: Anyway, this is why people should be charged with a crime when they shoot someone. An investigation and trial can prove innocence as well as guilt.


Er, no. The police aren't trying to do you a favor. Their job is to gather evidence to convict you. Period. Don't talk to the police, as this extremely informational video warns.
2013-02-20 03:14:00 PM  
3 votes:
Ah the old 'someone was in my bathroom so I emptied my pistol into the door' situation aye? Sure we've all been there right?
2013-02-20 12:06:12 PM  
3 votes:
FTFA:
A South African investigator says Oscar Pistorius' account of how he killed his girlfriend is consistent with what police have found at the crime scene.
Detective Hilton Botha made the acknowledgement under questioning from the Olympic runner's defense team Wednesday, on the second day of his bail hearing in Pretoria.


But then...
[Defense Attorney] Roux also argued with Botha's statement that the shots through the door were fired downward, suggesting Pistorius, known as the "blade runner" for his artificial legs, put the legs on before heading to the door.
Pistorius said in an affidavit Tuesday that he was moving around on his stumps.


That doesn't sound like Botha was saying Pistorius' version was consistent with the crime scene.
2013-02-20 06:03:06 PM  
2 votes:
Unless the prosecutors have a boatload of evidence to prove premeditation (motive being pretty important, as well as other steps of preparation) then this murder charge is going to be pretty hard to stick.

If there is a lower degree of charge, like manslaugher / negligent homicide, then those are going to be pretty hard to lose, unless the defense has a boatload of rubbish to fool the judge/jury with.

Simply put, any arsehole who acts the way he did in that situation (as described) deserves to go to prison for at least a few years to think it over.  He *thought* there *might* be an *intruder* in his house, when he knew for a fact that there was at least one other person present in the house who was not an intruder, he was prepared, ready, armed, and never saw the *intruder* and was under no imminent threat from said *intruder* yet he fired 4 rounds blind anyway?  Criminal arsehole.
2013-02-20 02:06:49 PM  
2 votes:
There were no signs of assault because she locked herself in the bathroom during a verbal fight he was yelling at her through the door hence people far away hearing it(600 meters does seem like quite along ways though). He bangs on the door to try to open it this could be posibly be mistaken for gunshots. She screams at him and he gets pissed so BANG.
2013-02-20 01:57:49 PM  
2 votes:

wildcardjack: RulerOfNone: Why is it that the most inspirational olympic athletes always end up getting into shiat like this?

Because you'll never hear about the normal slob who uses a gun to kill someone through a door in what they claim was a self defense situation. Partly because it's a nobody, partly because there's a "don't talk about gun mishaps" in American media.


Not sure if serious, or just stupid.
2013-02-20 01:43:33 PM  
2 votes:

joaquin closet: lock


Ay, there's the rub.  Who locks a bathroom door when its just you and your dna exchange partner?
2013-02-20 01:25:14 PM  
2 votes:
I realize that elite athletes more than likely possess a level of arrogance and/or narcissism that I probably would never be able to fully comprehend, but my main curiosity with this horrific crime is how exactly did he think he was going to get away with it?
2013-02-20 12:58:38 PM  
2 votes:

banandar123: For the second witness, 600 meters is about .4 of a mile. Would it be possible to hear screaming/arguing from that far away? (honest question, I've never thought about it.)


I wouldn't think so unless it's otherwise dead quiet.

What I want to know - there's been a lot said about how SA has terrible crime rates and tons of breakins.  Is that true even in gated, guarded complexes like where Pistorius lived or is he really just paranoid?
2013-02-20 12:48:09 PM  
2 votes:
even the 'i was so scared because i didn't have my blades on' seems like bullshiate to me. with his athletic ability i would think he was used to occasionally walking around on his stumps like if he was was going to the bathroom in the middle of the night or switching sex positions and his feet on the floor or bed. omg i hear a noise and my blades aren't on. shoot shoot shoot.
2013-02-20 12:43:29 PM  
2 votes:
Yeah, it's really hard to create a story that matches the general evidence at the scene.  What's he going to tell the police?  Yeah, I shot an intruder in the driveway, who wasn't my girlfriend, and somehow that intruder got into the bathroom and threatened to blow up the house with an explosive toilet?

Keep the pitchforks handy.
2013-02-20 12:42:50 PM  
2 votes:
FTFA:  The detective told the hearing that police found one shell casing outside the bathroom where prosecutors say Steenkamp locked herself before the shooting, and three more shell casings inside.

(emphasis mine)  Locking one's self in a bathroom is not typical behavior if one is trying to "surprise" one's boyfriend.  Yeah,  Cretinbob, this is going to be a lot of fun!
2013-02-20 12:41:10 PM  
2 votes:
Yes, whenever I hear a noise in our house, I just start blasting away. Account for the other family members first you say? Hogwash.
2013-02-20 10:29:48 PM  
1 votes:
We all know he did it, but he just might get off.  A great defense attorney can do that for you.  See Caylee Anthony and OJ
2013-02-20 10:26:35 PM  
1 votes:

Jesus McSordid: In any case, it would take a complete lunatic to hear somebody in the bathroom, get up out of the bed he shared with his girlfriend, and start firing through the door, supposedly to defend said girlfriend, without first checking whether she might, in fact, have popped out for a pee. It's total, transparent BS. Hand me that pitchfork.


I'm gonna have to agree with this.  What a bullshiat story.  How could you  wake up and get out of bed  without noticing whether or not your girlfriend was in the bed, let alone put on your legs, get a gun, and still not notice where she was?  I'd think if you thought  someone was running around the house, the first thing you'd do is look for the person who was supposed to be there.
2013-02-20 08:07:13 PM  
1 votes:
Couple things:

1) They don't use a jury system in South Africa.
2) Pestorius's home also had a very sophisticated security system, and he had three large dogs.
2013-02-20 07:42:09 PM  
1 votes:

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: someonelse: Even so, shouldn't it be some kind of criminal negligence to start firing blindly without actually checking the whereabouts of his girlfriend?

Yes, I'm hoping there's some sort of civil suit for "negligent death" or a mild criminal sentence if it's determined he had no intent of shooting his girlfriend. We shouldn't rush to call the guy a murderer but he either is one or he recklessly shoot at another person. Regardless there should be a punishment for it.


He himself claims to be a murderer.

His intent was to shoot that person in the bathroom, thus it was murder. What he is sorry about is that it was his girlfriend.
2013-02-20 07:12:03 PM  
1 votes:
I'll give him this, the defense lawyer is a lot smarter and better paid than the prosecution's.

Pretty hard to screw this one up though.

Unless Pistorius can give a good reason why he didn't call out before he started blasting, and why multiple witnesses heard an argument for an hour before the shots, his claims don't really hold up to believability.
2013-02-20 06:04:18 PM  
1 votes:

RulerOfNone: Why is it that the most inspirational olympic athletes always end up getting into shiat like this?


Because our heroes are human. We forget this, in the heat of the hero worship.

But no matter who we choose to idolize they're still human and thus subject to temptation, rage, deception and all the other fun stuff that make people human. The good parts of humanity too, sure, but we forget about the bad parts because we want to believe our heroes are better than us.
2013-02-20 05:00:21 PM  
1 votes:

iron de havilland: Pistorius was the first person with prostheses to compete in the Olympics. That's a big effin deal.


Hell yes it is! He made it possible to completely upend the playing field and call it "leveling" it.

Differences between his blades and the feet he competed with:

Coefficient of restitution (springiness)
Lack of lactic acid buildup (fatigue)
Less "unsprung weight". Ask any racing engineer what this means. In short, it's a lot easier to pump those legs up and down if they weigh less.
Different grip characteristics. from shoes/ feet.

Basically, now any chess competitor can argue for the ability to bring a supercomputer, claiming to be retarded.

Any football player can now argue for the ability to use a taser, under the excuse of being smaller that the other players.

Shot-putt competitors can argue to use a small cannon, under the argument that their arm is disabled.
2013-02-20 04:50:58 PM  
1 votes:

RulerOfNone: Why is it that the most inspirational olympic athletes always end up getting into shiat like this?


I think it's maybe more to do with the way the athletes presents themselves. Michael Phelps is an inspirational Olympic athlete, no? And he also seems like a top bloke. I'd have a bong and a beer with him,

Non-Olympic of course, but for me, Lance Armstrong is at the opposite end of the scale from Phelps. I wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire.

Pistorius... well, there was that story of him whining about the blades of the guy that beat him in the Paralympics, which makes me thinks he's a douche.

And Suzy Favor Hamilton who deliberately fell, during the 2000 Olympics when she knew she wasn't getting a medal.

I guess what I'm getting at is the idea that competitors in individual sports may put the mantra of winning, to prove themselves or whatever, above the idea of being decent human beings. Armstrong in particular seems to be a pure socio path.

thornhill: I don't get why this is getting so much attention in the United States -- even NPR has an update on him every morning and evening. I mean, at the least I think a lot more people know who Manti Te'o than this guy (and that story was far weirder and more amusing).


Pistorius was the first person with prostheses to compete in the Olympics. That's a big effin deal.

I know who Manti Te'o is. I don't really know why. He pretended he had a girlfriend who died, and... why should he be mentioned beyond that?
2013-02-20 03:21:51 PM  
1 votes:
The first thing I do when I break into someones home is to take a big O'l healthy shiat.
2013-02-20 03:15:55 PM  
1 votes:

someonelse: Even so, shouldn't it be some kind of criminal negligence to start firing blindly without actually checking the whereabouts of his girlfriend?


Yeah if you accidently an innocent person while needing to defend yourself you are pretty much looking at manslaughter charges, at least here in the US not sure what SAs laws are like on the matter.
2013-02-20 02:54:58 PM  
1 votes:

stevarooni: FTFA:  The detective told the hearing that police found one shell casing outside the bathroom where prosecutors say Steenkamp locked herself before the shooting, and three more shell casings inside.

(emphasis mine)  Locking one's self in a bathroom is not typical behavior if one is trying to "surprise" one's boyfriend.  Yeah,  Cretinbob, this is going to be a lot of fun!


She probably locked the door so he wouldn't walk in on her. I lock the door at my place when I go to the bathroom, mostly because after two brothers and a toddler, it's kind of hardwired in.

Also, DO NOT POINT THE FARKING WEAPON AT ANYTHING YOU CANNOT IDENTIFY, ffs.
2013-02-20 02:46:43 PM  
1 votes:
Response and attitude towards this case beginning to sound like the same stupidity as we see in the George Zimmerman case

We have a Liberal Media, along with your Gun Control NutJobs, White Guilt Liberals, and Black Racists, ready to lynch someone based on hysteria and not facts

It is totally obvious after today's hearing that Pistorius has been telling the truth.....and the prosecution has not. This is a tragic case but Pistorius did not murder Reeva Steencamp....and this is a statement of fact.

South Africa high crime rate would freak anyone out. I would be armed, too

Coupled with South Africa being a Black Racist Idiotocracy that has super high Black on White crime rate.....and a SA so backward that much of fact its Black Racist populace believes that raping little girls cures AIDS. SA Blacks and White Guilt Liberals are just jonesing to lynch a rich successful White South African...."we gonna make up for Apartheid, Paul Simon's Graceland...."
2013-02-20 02:02:44 PM  
1 votes:
And yes, my first thought, when reading that a guy shot his girlfriend through a locked bathroom door (with her inside and him outside) is that he must be innocent of any wrongdoing.

How narrow-minded of us to come to the most logical conclusion.

I'm gonna have to remember this one if I ever want to murder a loved one. Wait for him/her to go to the crapper, shoot through the door and then tell the cops I heard a noise and was frightened there might be a dangerous criminal in the bathroom. Makes perfect farking sense.
2013-02-20 01:57:09 PM  
1 votes:
Yeah, because men never shoot their girlfriends. Esp. in South Africa, which is a paradise of woman-friendly attitudes. So, case closed.
2013-02-20 01:56:23 PM  
1 votes:

Madame Ovary: tonguedepressor: joaquin closet: lock

Ay, there's the rub.  Who locks a bathroom door when its just you and your dna exchange partner?

He told her to call the police because there was a break in. She thought the break in was outside the bathroom, so locked the door. He thought the break in was through the bathroom window because it was the only window without bars.

It must be terrifying to live in SA if people go off the rails so easily. I'd move.




Except no one called the police or for help from any of the four phones. Kind of a major problem.
2013-02-20 01:54:15 PM  
1 votes:

wildcardjack: RulerOfNone: Why is it that the most inspirational olympic athletes always end up getting into shiat like this?

Because you'll never hear about the normal slob who uses a gun to kill someone through a door in what they claim was a self defense situation. Partly because it's a nobody, partly because there's a "don't talk about gun mishaps" in American media.


That's only when it's justifiable use of a gun in self-defense.
2013-02-20 01:49:55 PM  
1 votes:

tonguedepressor: joaquin closet: lock

Ay, there's the rub.  Who locks a bathroom door when its just you and your dna exchange partner?


He told her to call the police because there was a break in. She thought the break in was outside the bathroom, so locked the door. He thought the break in was through the bathroom window because it was the only window without bars.

It must be terrifying to live in SA if people go off the rails so easily. I'd move.
2013-02-20 01:47:45 PM  
1 votes:

Supes: thornhill: I don't get why this is getting so much attention in the United States -- even NPR has an update on him every morning and evening. I mean, at the least I think a lot more people know who Manti Te'o than this guy (and that story was far weirder and more amusing).

I dunno. I follow both the Olympics and college football. I've known who Pistorius was since 2008 or so, and Manti Te'o I hadn't heard about till this season. Pistorius is kind of a big deal and inspirational story to many people.


He's been in the news for a long time.   There was a long-term debate about whether his prothetics gave him an unfair advantage and whether he should be allowed into the Olympics rather than the Paralympics.  That's an issue that'd be pertinent to American paralympians, as well.

Besides it's healthy for us Americans to look outside the bubble once in a while and see what's going on in the rest of the world.
2013-02-20 01:41:57 PM  
1 votes:

Jacobin: Thats why i take a pistol in the bathroom with me...


And I thought I was the only one...
2013-02-20 01:39:39 PM  
1 votes:

PooperMcSlides: I know that when I wake up and someone is in the bathroom, I start shooting first and look for my girlfriend after. Better safe than sorry.


Thats why i take a pistol in the bathroom with me... Just in case my wife tries shooting me through the door
2013-02-20 01:38:08 PM  
1 votes:
KiwDaWabbit: ...but my main curiosity with this horrific crime is how exactly did he think he was going to get away with it?

Cry. Loudly. And a lot.
2013-02-20 01:35:52 PM  
1 votes:
What? My girlfriend always locks herself in the bathroom when she gets up in the middle of the night. Doesn't everybody?
2013-02-20 01:35:48 PM  
1 votes:
What happened to the whole bloody cricket bat story?  I doubt he's going to want to go to trial though.  Probably angling for the best plea deal he can get.  Who is going to believe the unknown intruder in the bathroom getting shot through the door story? I'm thinking she probably told him she was dumping him and going on to the next sucker Kardashian style and he just didn't take it too well.
2013-02-20 01:27:51 PM  
1 votes:
I say we take away his nifty cool legs and give him a board with wheels
2013-02-20 01:23:20 PM  
1 votes:
He doesn't have a leg to stand on.
2013-02-20 01:17:56 PM  
1 votes:
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No doubt he will claim, Paralympic Immunity.
2013-02-20 01:17:46 PM  
1 votes:
Oh, so he heard a noise in the dark, didn't check on his GF who would have been sleeping next to him, then fired blindly into the bathroom through a closed door without knowing who was in there.

He's a murderer and a farking moron.
2013-02-20 01:12:34 PM  
1 votes:
Hmmm... yes... it all makes perfect sense.

A buglar breaks into a famous rich person's mansion.  When they realize that they've been discovered, their first instinct is not to flee from an almost certainly armed (in South Africa) homeowner, but rather, to lock themselves in a bathroom.

Oh, and a homeowner who needs to put his legs on first before he chases you down.

Yes, 'seems legit'...
2013-02-20 01:06:08 PM  
1 votes:
All I know is that my list of people to be afraid of just got longer:

- Blacks
- Mexicans who aren't at least two stories away
- Young white males with constant expressions of surprise
- Anyone with a neck tattoo
- And now, cripples

It's getting so you can't go out in public anymore.  And thanks to the American's with Disabilities Act, these sons of biatches can get you anywhere.  I think we need stricter gun laws, longer prison sentences for juvenile offenders, and at least one stair leading to every entrance.  We need protection!
2013-02-20 01:00:39 PM  
1 votes:
So it all depends if he was legless or not?
2013-02-20 12:59:46 PM  
1 votes:
That's where all intruders go.... into the bathroom.  That's where all the valuables are.... T.P. is getting expensive.
2013-02-20 12:58:47 PM  
1 votes:

banandar123: FTA "The defense questioned the credibility of those witnesses, as the investigator said the one who heard the shots had the wrong number fired and the one who reported hearing shouting was 600 meters from the home."

Meh, misestimating the amount of shots fired doesn't mean much in my mind. Obviously, you hear gunshots, you're not gonna be thinking "well shiat, I'd better count them! 1---2---3---4! 4!). Especially since this occurred in the early morning, so the guy prolly just woke up. No, you'd first be trying to identify the noise, then you'd wonder if your life/property is in imminent danger. I assume, anyway. But really, this guy's testimony is kinda moot. We all know that shots were fired, we know that 4 shots were fired, and we know the guy has admitted to firing the shots. =

For the second witness,  600 meters is about .4 of a mile. Would it be possible to hear screaming/arguing from that far away? (honest question, I've never thought about it.)

The "hour long argument" is a huge part of the prosecution's case, so this could put a little strain on them.


I think the arguement against the "1 hour of screaming" witness is that at nearly half a mile away how do you accurately say that the shouting is coming from one specific apartment? It could've been anyone in that building. Perhaps anyone in some adjacent buildings. And if you can hear it from .4 miles away, shouldn't there be other witnesses that can also attest to hearing a shouting match who are much closer?
2013-02-20 12:54:26 PM  
1 votes:

banandar123: Obviously, you hear gunshots, you're not gonna be thinking "well shiat, I'd better count them! 1---2---3---4! 4!).


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2013-02-20 12:50:48 PM  
1 votes:
Firstly, only a moron would put things into his affidavit that are obviously inconsistent with the evidence. While this rules out some of the rumors, it doesn't rule out premeditated murder.

Secondly, even if his story is true he was still grossly negligent and deserves a long time in prison for what he did.

Thirdly, I don't know how self defense law in South Africa works, but there is still the question whether the scenario that he assumed would have been legitimate self defense at all. If it wouldn't, then his mistake about the identity of the victim doesn't help him.
2013-02-20 12:50:09 PM  
1 votes:
In this movie Jack Lemon makes the compelling argument that his wife had it coming.

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He told the jury (all men) exactly how he killed her, and disposed of the body.

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He was found "not guilty" by reason of 'she had it coming'.
2013-02-20 12:49:26 PM  
1 votes:
FTA "The defense questioned the credibility of those witnesses, as the investigator said the one who heard the shots had the wrong number fired and the one who reported hearing shouting was 600 meters from the home."

Meh, misestimating the amount of shots fired doesn't mean much in my mind. Obviously, you hear gunshots, you're not gonna be thinking "well shiat, I'd better count them! 1---2---3---4! 4!). Especially since this occurred in the early morning, so the guy prolly just woke up. No, you'd first be trying to identify the noise, then you'd wonder if your life/property is in imminent danger. I assume, anyway. But really, this guy's testimony is kinda moot. We all know that shots were fired, we know that 4 shots were fired, and we know the guy has admitted to firing the shots. =

For the second witness,  600 meters is about .4 of a mile. Would it be possible to hear screaming/arguing from that far away? (honest question, I've never thought about it.)

The "hour long argument" is a huge part of the prosecution's case, so this could put a little strain on them.
2013-02-20 12:48:29 PM  
1 votes:

James F. Campbell: cretinbob: Anyway, this is why people should be charged with a crime when they shoot someone. An investigation and trial can prove innocence as well as guilt.

Er, no. The police aren't trying to do you a favor. Their job is to gather evidence to convict you. Period. Don't talk to the police, as this extremely informational video warns.


Yep. As far as I know, trials have Prosecutors and Defenders. I don't think they have Truthfinders. A trial is just a game and you're the ball.
2013-02-20 12:48:11 PM  
1 votes:
A detective hired by the defense team agrees with the defense?   I'm shocked.
2013-02-20 12:46:25 PM  
1 votes:

James F. Campbell: cretinbob: Anyway, this is why people should be charged with a crime when they shoot someone. An investigation and trial can prove innocence as well as guilt.

Er, no. The police aren't trying to do you a favor. Their job is to gather evidence to convict you. Period. Don't talk to the police, as this extremely informational video warns.


cretinbob is partially right, a properly done investigation can certainly prove innocence. Trials however, rarely prove anything. There's always issues behind the scenes, evidence getting suppressed, procedural arguments.... juries are incredibly unpredictable too.

But you're also right, there's zero reason to ever agree to talk to the police. They love seducing you with lines like "If you didn't do anything, then you have nothing to hide!" and such, but no matter guilt/innocence it's just never a good idea.
2013-02-20 12:45:03 PM  
1 votes:
Sounds like a win until..
"The detective told the hearing that police found one shell casing outside the bathroom where prosecutors say Steenkamp locked herself before the shooting, and three more shell casings inside."
2013-02-20 12:40:16 PM  
1 votes:
i think he should get bail...as long as they can put an ankle monitor on him.
2013-02-20 12:39:29 PM  
1 votes:
His whole story sounds fishy to me. She locked herself in the bathroom, and he fired multiple shots at her. According to witnesses, (shaky) they heard a woman screaming, and more shots. Sounds like he was in a roid rage and offed her. But i don't know all the facts, and im guessing.
2013-02-20 12:38:40 PM  
1 votes:
Yes, it's consistent. He shot her multiple times through the bathroom door. Indisputable.
2013-02-20 12:13:17 PM  
1 votes:
Oh this is going to be fun.

Anyway, this is why people should be charged with a crime when they shoot someone. An investigation and trial can prove innocence as well as guilt.
2013-02-20 11:59:54 AM  
1 votes:
Subby mad
 
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