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(Voice of America)   Investigator says Pistorius' account of how he killed his girlfriend consistent with what police found at the crime scene. Wait, you mean there might be another side to the story? What are we supposed to do with these torches and pitchforks?   (voanews.com) divider line 190
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2013-02-20 11:59:54 AM  
Subby mad
 
2013-02-20 12:06:00 PM  
Even so, shouldn't it be some kind of criminal negligence to start firing blindly without actually checking the whereabouts of his girlfriend?
 
2013-02-20 12:06:12 PM  
FTFA:
A South African investigator says Oscar Pistorius' account of how he killed his girlfriend is consistent with what police have found at the crime scene.
Detective Hilton Botha made the acknowledgement under questioning from the Olympic runner's defense team Wednesday, on the second day of his bail hearing in Pretoria.


But then...
[Defense Attorney] Roux also argued with Botha's statement that the shots through the door were fired downward, suggesting Pistorius, known as the "blade runner" for his artificial legs, put the legs on before heading to the door.
Pistorius said in an affidavit Tuesday that he was moving around on his stumps.


That doesn't sound like Botha was saying Pistorius' version was consistent with the crime scene.
 
2013-02-20 12:13:17 PM  
Oh this is going to be fun.

Anyway, this is why people should be charged with a crime when they shoot someone. An investigation and trial can prove innocence as well as guilt.
 
2013-02-20 12:37:22 PM  

cretinbob: Anyway, this is why people should be charged with a crime when they shoot someone. An investigation and trial can prove innocence as well as guilt.


Er, no. The police aren't trying to do you a favor. Their job is to gather evidence to convict you. Period. Don't talk to the police, as this extremely informational video warns.
 
2013-02-20 12:38:40 PM  
Yes, it's consistent. He shot her multiple times through the bathroom door. Indisputable.
 
2013-02-20 12:38:42 PM  
At the very, very least, it's negligent homicide.

I do think a Murder-1 charge is probably prosecutorial overreach that could end up with this charming fellow getting off scott-free.
 
2013-02-20 12:38:46 PM  
Wait, I'm confused.  Oscar admits he shot her through the door.  The police officer agrees.  I'm not sure how this is a major win for the defense.  It seems like that will be handled in terms of if Oscar had his legs on and such, which a ballistics expert is going to testify on, not the guy who bagged up the shells and noted where the blood was.
 
2013-02-20 12:39:29 PM  
His whole story sounds fishy to me. She locked herself in the bathroom, and he fired multiple shots at her. According to witnesses, (shaky) they heard a woman screaming, and more shots. Sounds like he was in a roid rage and offed her. But i don't know all the facts, and im guessing.
 
2013-02-20 12:39:31 PM  
He should be in Jail for ever if he meant to do it.  He should be in Jail for 25 years if he didnt mean to do it.

Idiot's beware
 
2013-02-20 12:39:59 PM  
Why is it that the most inspirational olympic athletes always end up getting into shiat like this?
 
2013-02-20 12:40:11 PM  
I know that when I wake up and someone is in the bathroom, I start shooting first and look for my girlfriend after. Better safe than sorry.
 
2013-02-20 12:40:16 PM  
i think he should get bail...as long as they can put an ankle monitor on him.
 
2013-02-20 12:41:10 PM  
Yes, whenever I hear a noise in our house, I just start blasting away. Account for the other family members first you say? Hogwash.
 
2013-02-20 12:42:23 PM  
He could see well enough to find his gun, and find his way to the bathroom, but not well enough to see that his girlfriend wasn't in the bed while taking the gun from under the bed? Smell-test not passed.
 
2013-02-20 12:42:50 PM  
FTFA:  The detective told the hearing that police found one shell casing outside the bathroom where prosecutors say Steenkamp locked herself before the shooting, and three more shell casings inside.

(emphasis mine)  Locking one's self in a bathroom is not typical behavior if one is trying to "surprise" one's boyfriend.  Yeah,  Cretinbob, this is going to be a lot of fun!
 
2013-02-20 12:43:17 PM  

someonelse: Even so, shouldn't it be some kind of criminal negligence to start firing blindly without actually checking the whereabouts of his girlfriend?


Why do you hate America?
 
2013-02-20 12:43:29 PM  
Yeah, it's really hard to create a story that matches the general evidence at the scene.  What's he going to tell the police?  Yeah, I shot an intruder in the driveway, who wasn't my girlfriend, and somehow that intruder got into the bathroom and threatened to blow up the house with an explosive toilet?

Keep the pitchforks handy.
 
2013-02-20 12:44:24 PM  

someonelse: Even so, shouldn't it be some kind of criminal negligence to start firing blindly without actually checking the whereabouts of his girlfriend?


Yes, I'm hoping there's some sort of civil suit for "negligent death" or a mild criminal sentence if it's determined he had no intent of shooting his girlfriend. We shouldn't rush to call the guy a murderer but he either is one or he recklessly shoot at another person. Regardless there should be a punishment for it.
 
2013-02-20 12:44:48 PM  
Three more shell casings inside the bathroom?
 
2013-02-20 12:45:03 PM  
Sounds like a win until..
"The detective told the hearing that police found one shell casing outside the bathroom where prosecutors say Steenkamp locked herself before the shooting, and three more shell casings inside."
 
2013-02-20 12:45:35 PM  

RulerOfNone: Why is it that the most inspirational olympic athletes always end up getting into shiat like this?


Mary Lou Retton's 14 state necrophilic serial killing spree of the early 90s?
 
2013-02-20 12:45:54 PM  
I don't get why this is getting so much attention in the United States -- even NPR has an update on him every morning and evening. I mean, at the least I think a lot more people know who Manti Te'o than this guy (and that story was far weirder and more amusing).
 
2013-02-20 12:46:16 PM  
The story has many sides.  None of them are pretty, I'm sure.
 
2013-02-20 12:46:25 PM  

James F. Campbell: cretinbob: Anyway, this is why people should be charged with a crime when they shoot someone. An investigation and trial can prove innocence as well as guilt.

Er, no. The police aren't trying to do you a favor. Their job is to gather evidence to convict you. Period. Don't talk to the police, as this extremely informational video warns.


cretinbob is partially right, a properly done investigation can certainly prove innocence. Trials however, rarely prove anything. There's always issues behind the scenes, evidence getting suppressed, procedural arguments.... juries are incredibly unpredictable too.

But you're also right, there's zero reason to ever agree to talk to the police. They love seducing you with lines like "If you didn't do anything, then you have nothing to hide!" and such, but no matter guilt/innocence it's just never a good idea.
 
2013-02-20 12:47:26 PM  

thornhill: I don't get why this is getting so much attention in the United States [...]


Guns = headline news.
 
2013-02-20 12:47:36 PM  
Your honor it wasn't me it was the one armed man!
 
2013-02-20 12:48:09 PM  
even the 'i was so scared because i didn't have my blades on' seems like bullshiate to me. with his athletic ability i would think he was used to occasionally walking around on his stumps like if he was was going to the bathroom in the middle of the night or switching sex positions and his feet on the floor or bed. omg i hear a noise and my blades aren't on. shoot shoot shoot.
 
2013-02-20 12:48:11 PM  
A detective hired by the defense team agrees with the defense?   I'm shocked.
 
2013-02-20 12:48:29 PM  

James F. Campbell: cretinbob: Anyway, this is why people should be charged with a crime when they shoot someone. An investigation and trial can prove innocence as well as guilt.

Er, no. The police aren't trying to do you a favor. Their job is to gather evidence to convict you. Period. Don't talk to the police, as this extremely informational video warns.


Yep. As far as I know, trials have Prosecutors and Defenders. I don't think they have Truthfinders. A trial is just a game and you're the ball.
 
2013-02-20 12:48:40 PM  

thornhill: I mean, at the least I think a lot more people know who Manti Te'o than this guy (and that story was far weirder and more amusing).


In the U.S., perhaps. Certainly not worldwide.
 
2013-02-20 12:49:18 PM  

James F. Campbell: cretinbob: Anyway, this is why people should be charged with a crime when they shoot someone. An investigation and trial can prove innocence as well as guilt.

Er, no. The police aren't trying to do you a favor. Their job is to gather evidence to convict you. Period. Don't talk to the police, as this extremely informational video warns.


I think your link is broken. Pretty sure it should be this informational video  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PKtGnyGuKM (NSFWlanguage)
 
2013-02-20 12:49:26 PM  
FTA "The defense questioned the credibility of those witnesses, as the investigator said the one who heard the shots had the wrong number fired and the one who reported hearing shouting was 600 meters from the home."

Meh, misestimating the amount of shots fired doesn't mean much in my mind. Obviously, you hear gunshots, you're not gonna be thinking "well shiat, I'd better count them! 1---2---3---4! 4!). Especially since this occurred in the early morning, so the guy prolly just woke up. No, you'd first be trying to identify the noise, then you'd wonder if your life/property is in imminent danger. I assume, anyway. But really, this guy's testimony is kinda moot. We all know that shots were fired, we know that 4 shots were fired, and we know the guy has admitted to firing the shots. =

For the second witness,  600 meters is about .4 of a mile. Would it be possible to hear screaming/arguing from that far away? (honest question, I've never thought about it.)

The "hour long argument" is a huge part of the prosecution's case, so this could put a little strain on them.
 
2013-02-20 12:50:09 PM  
In this movie Jack Lemon makes the compelling argument that his wife had it coming.

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He told the jury (all men) exactly how he killed her, and disposed of the body.

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He was found "not guilty" by reason of 'she had it coming'.
 
2013-02-20 12:50:48 PM  
Firstly, only a moron would put things into his affidavit that are obviously inconsistent with the evidence. While this rules out some of the rumors, it doesn't rule out premeditated murder.

Secondly, even if his story is true he was still grossly negligent and deserves a long time in prison for what he did.

Thirdly, I don't know how self defense law in South Africa works, but there is still the question whether the scenario that he assumed would have been legitimate self defense at all. If it wouldn't, then his mistake about the identity of the victim doesn't help him.
 
2013-02-20 12:50:55 PM  

thornhill: I don't get why this is getting so much attention in the United States -- even NPR has an update on him every morning and evening. I mean, at the least I think a lot more people know who Manti Te'o than this guy (and that story was far weirder and more amusing).


I dunno. I follow both the Olympics and college football. I've known who Pistorius was since 2008 or so, and Manti Te'o I hadn't heard about till this season. Pistorius is kind of a big deal and inspirational story to many people.
 
2013-02-20 12:52:21 PM  

Tanukis_Parachute: i think he should get bail...as long as they can put an ankle monitor on him.


Ding Ding Ding!!!

We have a Winnah!
 
2013-02-20 12:53:46 PM  

Supes: thornhill: I don't get why this is getting so much attention in the United States -- even NPR has an update on him every morning and evening. I mean, at the least I think a lot more people know who Manti Te'o than this guy (and that story was far weirder and more amusing).

I dunno. I follow both the Olympics and college football. I've known who Pistorius was since 2008 or so, and Manti Te'o I hadn't heard about till this season. Pistorius is kind of a big deal and inspirational story to many people.


Also, it's a story with a twist. The media (and Americans, period) love twists.

"MAN WITH BIONIC LEGS MURDERS GIRLFRIEND" all over the internet, every newspaper, etc...It draws people right in lol.
 
2013-02-20 12:54:26 PM  

banandar123: Obviously, you hear gunshots, you're not gonna be thinking "well shiat, I'd better count them! 1---2---3---4! 4!).


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2013-02-20 12:54:33 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: RulerOfNone: Why is it that the most inspirational olympic athletes always end up getting into shiat like this?

Mary Lou Retton's 14 state necrophilic serial killing spree of the early 90s?


Did they finally settle the body count at 14?  Last I heard there was some disagreement due to the dismemberment.

/let's not even get started on what Bruce Jenner got involved in.
 
2013-02-20 12:57:05 PM  

Supes: Pistorius is kind of a big deal and inspirational story to many people.


Yeah. People who hate their significant other...
 
2013-02-20 12:58:38 PM  

banandar123: For the second witness, 600 meters is about .4 of a mile. Would it be possible to hear screaming/arguing from that far away? (honest question, I've never thought about it.)


I wouldn't think so unless it's otherwise dead quiet.

What I want to know - there's been a lot said about how SA has terrible crime rates and tons of breakins.  Is that true even in gated, guarded complexes like where Pistorius lived or is he really just paranoid?
 
2013-02-20 12:58:47 PM  

banandar123: FTA "The defense questioned the credibility of those witnesses, as the investigator said the one who heard the shots had the wrong number fired and the one who reported hearing shouting was 600 meters from the home."

Meh, misestimating the amount of shots fired doesn't mean much in my mind. Obviously, you hear gunshots, you're not gonna be thinking "well shiat, I'd better count them! 1---2---3---4! 4!). Especially since this occurred in the early morning, so the guy prolly just woke up. No, you'd first be trying to identify the noise, then you'd wonder if your life/property is in imminent danger. I assume, anyway. But really, this guy's testimony is kinda moot. We all know that shots were fired, we know that 4 shots were fired, and we know the guy has admitted to firing the shots. =

For the second witness,  600 meters is about .4 of a mile. Would it be possible to hear screaming/arguing from that far away? (honest question, I've never thought about it.)

The "hour long argument" is a huge part of the prosecution's case, so this could put a little strain on them.


I think the arguement against the "1 hour of screaming" witness is that at nearly half a mile away how do you accurately say that the shouting is coming from one specific apartment? It could've been anyone in that building. Perhaps anyone in some adjacent buildings. And if you can hear it from .4 miles away, shouldn't there be other witnesses that can also attest to hearing a shouting match who are much closer?
 
2013-02-20 12:59:01 PM  
Subby, "consistent" is not a verb.
 
2013-02-20 12:59:46 PM  
That's where all intruders go.... into the bathroom.  That's where all the valuables are.... T.P. is getting expensive.
 
2013-02-20 01:00:09 PM  
FTFA: Botha agreed with defense lawyer Barry Roux there were no signs of an assault on Steenkamp's body and no signs she defended herself from an assault.

How do you defend yourself against someone shooting at you though a bathroom door?

That said, he's rich and famous. He'll walk free. Well, bounce free.
 
2013-02-20 01:00:39 PM  
So it all depends if he was legless or not?
 
2013-02-20 01:00:49 PM  
Chick was hot but beyond that I care not.
 
2013-02-20 01:03:58 PM  
If only she had been armed she could have shot him and protected herself

And I totally believe he was holding that batch of steroids for his friend
 
2013-02-20 01:04:07 PM  

orbister: FTFA: Botha agreed with defense lawyer Barry Roux there were no signs of an assault on Steenkamp's body and no signs she defended herself from an assault.

How do you defend yourself against someone shooting at you though a bathroom door?


The idea, I think, is that if she ran into the bathroom to duck away from his physical assaults, she would have had some.  As opposed to fleeing when he starts his whole, "Hulk Smash!" rage.
 
2013-02-20 01:04:41 PM  
Good to see we all still have our wits about us enough to recognize the true victim of this crime.
 
2013-02-20 01:06:08 PM  
All I know is that my list of people to be afraid of just got longer:

- Blacks
- Mexicans who aren't at least two stories away
- Young white males with constant expressions of surprise
- Anyone with a neck tattoo
- And now, cripples

It's getting so you can't go out in public anymore.  And thanks to the American's with Disabilities Act, these sons of biatches can get you anywhere.  I think we need stricter gun laws, longer prison sentences for juvenile offenders, and at least one stair leading to every entrance.  We need protection!
 
2013-02-20 01:06:38 PM  

EyeballKid


Good to see we all still have our wits about us enough to recognize the true victim of this crime.


That poor door never had a chance. :-(


One does not simply walk fire into poor door.
 
2013-02-20 01:09:44 PM  

orbister: How do you defend yourself against someone shooting at you though a bathroom door?

That said, he's rich and famous. He'll walk free. Well, bounce free.


Even famous people get convicted, the evidence just needs to be overwhelming, since they can afford way more competent attorneys.  Anyway, I think he ends up with 2 years or so for negligent homicide, short enough time that he can train for and try to make the 2016 Olympics.
 
2013-02-20 01:11:43 PM  
The First Four Katy Perry Albums:  I do think a Murder-1 charge is probably prosecutorial overreach that could end up with this charming fellow getting off scott-free.
 
2013-02-20 01:12:34 PM  
Hmmm... yes... it all makes perfect sense.

A buglar breaks into a famous rich person's mansion.  When they realize that they've been discovered, their first instinct is not to flee from an almost certainly armed (in South Africa) homeowner, but rather, to lock themselves in a bathroom.

Oh, and a homeowner who needs to put his legs on first before he chases you down.

Yes, 'seems legit'...
 
2013-02-20 01:12:39 PM  
Poor little tink-tink..
 
2013-02-20 01:17:46 PM  
Oh, so he heard a noise in the dark, didn't check on his GF who would have been sleeping next to him, then fired blindly into the bathroom through a closed door without knowing who was in there.

He's a murderer and a farking moron.
 
2013-02-20 01:17:56 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

1000words1000days.com

No doubt he will claim, Paralympic Immunity.
 
2013-02-20 01:18:18 PM  

orbister: FTFA: Botha agreed with defense lawyer Barry Roux there were no signs of an assault on Steenkamp's body and no signs she defended herself from an assault.

How do you defend yourself against someone shooting at you though a bathroom door?


I'm guessing the implication is that had they had scuffled before she went into the bathroom, she would have marks from that.

It seems a bit shaky at best, but hey, that's why the defense is there - you work with what you have.  This coupled with the prosecution  mistakenly claiming they they found testosterone all adds doubt into the jury's minds, so you throw it in.
 
2013-02-20 01:19:13 PM  

cretinbob: Oh this is going to be fun.

Anyway, this is why people should be charged with a crime when they shoot someone. An investigation and trial can prove innocence as well as guilt.


You do realize that even in states where castle doctrines exist, unless it's clear cut self defense, you will be charged and tried, right?  That you don't get blanket immunity for shooting people just by yelling "ZOMG HE WAS COMING RIGHT FOR ME"?
 
2013-02-20 01:23:20 PM  
He doesn't have a leg to stand on.
 
2013-02-20 01:25:14 PM  
I realize that elite athletes more than likely possess a level of arrogance and/or narcissism that I probably would never be able to fully comprehend, but my main curiosity with this horrific crime is how exactly did he think he was going to get away with it?
 
2013-02-20 01:27:51 PM  
I say we take away his nifty cool legs and give him a board with wheels
 
2013-02-20 01:27:53 PM  
It takes nothing away from my bar trivia team name last night: "My stumps, my stumps, my lovely lady-killing stumps"
 
2013-02-20 01:29:05 PM  

thornhill: I don't get why this is getting so much attention in the United States -- even NPR has an update on him every morning and evening. I mean, at the least I think a lot more people know who Manti Te'o than this guy (and that story was far weirder and more amusing).


Reasons why:

1) The media's business model is delivering eyeballs to the advertisers.

2) Thus, a story with beautiful people will lead. People like looking at beautiful people.

3) Also, if it bleeds, it leads. People are interested in why people are bleeding.

4) This story has it all: Beautiful people bleeding. Therefore, it's leading.
 
2013-02-20 01:29:58 PM  

James F. Campbell: cretinbob: Anyway, this is why people should be charged with a crime when they shoot someone. An investigation and trial can prove innocence as well as guilt.

Er, no. The police aren't trying to do you a favor. Their job is to gather evidence to convict you. Period. Don't talk to the police, as this extremely informational video warns.


The jury trial I was just on really opened my eyes to the ineptitude of police and prosecutors. Basically if the criminals don't confess repeatedly there's a very very small chance on conviction.
 
2013-02-20 01:31:39 PM  

Wodan11: Subby, "consistent" is not a verb.


And a headline is not a sentence.
 
2013-02-20 01:32:28 PM  

PooperMcSlides: I know that when I wake up and someone is in the bathroom, I start shooting first and look for my girlfriend after. Better safe than sorry.


In your case it's a valid plan because turd burglars covet your poopmcslides.
 
2013-02-20 01:34:05 PM  

Supes: orbister: How do you defend yourself against someone shooting at you though a bathroom door?

That said, he's rich and famous. He'll walk free. Well, bounce free.

Even famous people get convicted, the evidence just needs to be overwhelming, since they can afford way more competent attorneys.  Anyway, I think he ends up with 2 years or so for negligent homicide, short enough time that he can train for and try to make the 2016 Olympics.


He'd likely be banned from the Olympics if convicted of anything.
 
2013-02-20 01:34:32 PM  
 Sin_City_Superhero: Supes: Pistorius is kind of a big deal and inspirational story to many people.

Yeah. People who hate their significant other...


 

ObscureNameHere: Hmmm... yes... it all makes perfect sense.

A buglar breaks into a famous rich person's mansion.  When they realize that they've been discovered, their first instinct is not to flee from an almost certainly armed (in South Africa) homeowner, but rather, to lock themselves in a bathroom.

Oh, and a homeowner who needs to put his legs on first before he chases you down.

Yes, 'seems legit'...


Does the bathroom have a window?  If so, perhaps someone was entering through the window.

Not saying I buy his story.

Also some meds can make you think all kinds of things.   I was taking a drug and needed Tylenol after an operation.. and found out that 1 in 6 people have nasty dreams.  Some sick dreams where you are killing people.  Thankfully, mine were just there is a rat crawling up the curtain or a giant spider crawling on the fan over the bed.
I decided to deal with the pain.
 
2013-02-20 01:35:48 PM  
What happened to the whole bloody cricket bat story?  I doubt he's going to want to go to trial though.  Probably angling for the best plea deal he can get.  Who is going to believe the unknown intruder in the bathroom getting shot through the door story? I'm thinking she probably told him she was dumping him and going on to the next sucker Kardashian style and he just didn't take it too well.
 
2013-02-20 01:35:52 PM  
What? My girlfriend always locks herself in the bathroom when she gets up in the middle of the night. Doesn't everybody?
 
2013-02-20 01:37:37 PM  

Master Sphincter: He should be in Jail for ever if he meant to do it.  He should be in Jail for 25 years if he didnt mean to do it.

Idiot's beware


Did you do that on purpose?

'Cause it's funny.
 
2013-02-20 01:37:54 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: His whole story sounds fishy to me. She locked herself in the bathroom, and he fired multiple shots at her. According to witnesses, (shaky) they heard a woman screaming, and more shots. Sounds like he was in a roid rage and offed her. But i don't know all the facts, and im guessing.


Roid Rage is more of a result of the 80's drug war than a real thing. It happens very rarely with people who abuse steroids, but it isn't usually aggression, it's biatchiness due to the body's overproduction of estrogen to compensate for the synthetic testosterone.

This is freaking too weird of a story without roids anyway.
 
2013-02-20 01:38:08 PM  
KiwDaWabbit: ...but my main curiosity with this horrific crime is how exactly did he think he was going to get away with it?

Cry. Loudly. And a lot.
 
2013-02-20 01:39:39 PM  

PooperMcSlides: I know that when I wake up and someone is in the bathroom, I start shooting first and look for my girlfriend after. Better safe than sorry.


Thats why i take a pistol in the bathroom with me... Just in case my wife tries shooting me through the door
 
2013-02-20 01:41:22 PM  
He still shot her.
 
2013-02-20 01:41:57 PM  

Jacobin: Thats why i take a pistol in the bathroom with me...


And I thought I was the only one...
 
2013-02-20 01:42:00 PM  

OscarTamerz: What happened to the whole bloody cricket bat story?  I doubt he's going to want to go to trial though.  Probably angling for the best plea deal he can get.  Who is going to believe the unknown intruder in the bathroom getting shot through the door story? I'm thinking she probably told him she was dumping him and going on to the next sucker Kardashian style and he just didn't take it too well.

 
2013-02-20 01:43:33 PM  

joaquin closet: lock


Ay, there's the rub.  Who locks a bathroom door when its just you and your dna exchange partner?
 
2013-02-20 01:44:40 PM  
Is this gonna be this year's George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin slaying?  What's with the week of NBA's All-Star weekend and high profile murders?
 
2013-02-20 01:45:24 PM  

RulerOfNone: Why is it that the most inspirational olympic athletes always end up getting into shiat like this?


Because you'll never hear about the normal slob who uses a gun to kill someone through a door in what they claim was a self defense situation. Partly because it's a nobody, partly because there's a "don't talk about gun mishaps" in American media.
 
2013-02-20 01:45:25 PM  
Personally, I don't think Pistorius has a leg to stand on in this case.

/ I thank you
 
2013-02-20 01:47:31 PM  

chubby muppet: Personally, I don't think Pistorius has a leg to stand on in this case.

/ I thank you


Really? Personally I'm not sure what to think. This one has me stumped.
 
2013-02-20 01:47:34 PM  

PooperMcSlides: I know that when I wake up and someone is in the bathroom, I start shooting first and look for my girlfriend after. Better safe than sorry.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paUDdGXTMNk#t=32s
 
2013-02-20 01:47:45 PM  

Supes: thornhill: I don't get why this is getting so much attention in the United States -- even NPR has an update on him every morning and evening. I mean, at the least I think a lot more people know who Manti Te'o than this guy (and that story was far weirder and more amusing).

I dunno. I follow both the Olympics and college football. I've known who Pistorius was since 2008 or so, and Manti Te'o I hadn't heard about till this season. Pistorius is kind of a big deal and inspirational story to many people.


He's been in the news for a long time.   There was a long-term debate about whether his prothetics gave him an unfair advantage and whether he should be allowed into the Olympics rather than the Paralympics.  That's an issue that'd be pertinent to American paralympians, as well.

Besides it's healthy for us Americans to look outside the bubble once in a while and see what's going on in the rest of the world.
 
2013-02-20 01:47:57 PM  
What shape are bullet casings again? Round, you say? Oh, right, those could never roll under a door, especially if you are standing next to the door to fire into the room. *eyeroll*

And bathrooms can have windows.

As for .25 miles away witness, how densely is the area populated?

This is sad story, overall- :( She was looking forward to surprising him, and she probably locked the door after the first shot was fired and missed.
 
2013-02-20 01:48:24 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Three more shell casings inside the bathroom?


Well he shot her through te door once, not knowing who it was.

Once he opened the door and realized it was her, he decided to finish the job...with extreme prejudice.
 
2013-02-20 01:49:55 PM  

tonguedepressor: joaquin closet: lock

Ay, there's the rub.  Who locks a bathroom door when its just you and your dna exchange partner?


He told her to call the police because there was a break in. She thought the break in was outside the bathroom, so locked the door. He thought the break in was through the bathroom window because it was the only window without bars.

It must be terrifying to live in SA if people go off the rails so easily. I'd move.
 
2013-02-20 01:51:03 PM  

jaybeezey: HAMMERTOE: Three more shell casings inside the bathroom?

Well he shot her through te door once, not knowing who it was.

Once he opened the door and realized it was her, he decided to finish the job...with extreme prejudice.


It was dark?
 
2013-02-20 01:54:15 PM  

wildcardjack: RulerOfNone: Why is it that the most inspirational olympic athletes always end up getting into shiat like this?

Because you'll never hear about the normal slob who uses a gun to kill someone through a door in what they claim was a self defense situation. Partly because it's a nobody, partly because there's a "don't talk about gun mishaps" in American media.


That's only when it's justifiable use of a gun in self-defense.
 
2013-02-20 01:56:14 PM  

Master Sphincter: He should be in Jail for ever if he meant to do it.  He should be in Jail for 25 years if he didnt mean to do it.

Idiot's beware


So idiot is beware, or idiot has a beware. Interesting.
 
2013-02-20 01:56:23 PM  

Madame Ovary: tonguedepressor: joaquin closet: lock

Ay, there's the rub.  Who locks a bathroom door when its just you and your dna exchange partner?

He told her to call the police because there was a break in. She thought the break in was outside the bathroom, so locked the door. He thought the break in was through the bathroom window because it was the only window without bars.

It must be terrifying to live in SA if people go off the rails so easily. I'd move.




Except no one called the police or for help from any of the four phones. Kind of a major problem.
 
2013-02-20 01:56:25 PM  
i207.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-20 01:57:09 PM  
Yeah, because men never shoot their girlfriends. Esp. in South Africa, which is a paradise of woman-friendly attitudes. So, case closed.
 
2013-02-20 01:57:49 PM  

wildcardjack: RulerOfNone: Why is it that the most inspirational olympic athletes always end up getting into shiat like this?

Because you'll never hear about the normal slob who uses a gun to kill someone through a door in what they claim was a self defense situation. Partly because it's a nobody, partly because there's a "don't talk about gun mishaps" in American media.


Not sure if serious, or just stupid.
 
2013-02-20 02:00:08 PM  
Prosecutor said even if it was an intruder he would have brought charges.
 
2013-02-20 02:02:44 PM  
And yes, my first thought, when reading that a guy shot his girlfriend through a locked bathroom door (with her inside and him outside) is that he must be innocent of any wrongdoing.

How narrow-minded of us to come to the most logical conclusion.

I'm gonna have to remember this one if I ever want to murder a loved one. Wait for him/her to go to the crapper, shoot through the door and then tell the cops I heard a noise and was frightened there might be a dangerous criminal in the bathroom. Makes perfect farking sense.
 
2013-02-20 02:06:49 PM  
There were no signs of assault because she locked herself in the bathroom during a verbal fight he was yelling at her through the door hence people far away hearing it(600 meters does seem like quite along ways though). He bangs on the door to try to open it this could be posibly be mistaken for gunshots. She screams at him and he gets pissed so BANG.
 
2013-02-20 02:20:14 PM  

borg: He'd likely be banned from the Olympics if convicted of anything.


Doubtful. He'd be banned in a second for performance-enhancing drugs, sure. I also remember several athletes banned this past Olympics for offensive tweets that occurred while the Olympics was ongoing. But banning for conviction of a crime? The IOC won't do it... if he serves his time in jail, they won't care. South Africa could ban him from competing on their team I suppose, but that's unlikely.
 
2013-02-20 02:20:51 PM  

joaquin closet: Master Sphincter: He should be in Jail for ever if he meant to do it.  He should be in Jail for 25 years if he didnt mean to do it.

Idiot's beware

Did you do that on purpose?

'Cause it's funny.


Bad habit's die hard
 
2013-02-20 02:24:30 PM  

spentmiles: All I know is that my list of people to be afraid of just got longer:

- Young white males with constant expressions of surprise



Please elaborate. I think I know what you mean, but want to make sure.
 
2013-02-20 02:29:49 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: RulerOfNone: Why is it that the most inspirational olympic athletes always end up getting into shiat like this?

Mary Lou Retton's 14 state necrophilic serial killing spree of the early 90s?


I believe farker meant "Tanya Harding's regular appearances on Worlds Dumbest"
 
2013-02-20 02:30:24 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Prosecutor said even if it was an intruder he would have brought charges.


Back peddling might require legs, but I guess you can still back paddle, the prosecutor.  Who leaned on you?
 
2013-02-20 02:31:17 PM  
Ugh, typing. I have not the art.

Back peddling might require legs, but I guess you can still back paddle, eh prosecutor?  Who leaned on him?
 
2013-02-20 02:42:31 PM  

spentmiles: All I know is that my list of people to be afraid of just got longer:

- Blacks
- Mexicans who aren't at least two stories away
- Young white males with constant expressions of surprise
- Anyone with a neck tattoo
- And now, cripples

It's getting so you can't go out in public anymore.  And thanks to the American's with Disabilities Act, these sons of biatches can get you anywhere.  I think we need stricter gun laws, longer prison sentences for juvenile offenders, and at least one stair leading to every entrance.  We need protection!


I knew I had you favorited for a reason....Thanks for the lulz!
 
2013-02-20 02:46:43 PM  
Response and attitude towards this case beginning to sound like the same stupidity as we see in the George Zimmerman case

We have a Liberal Media, along with your Gun Control NutJobs, White Guilt Liberals, and Black Racists, ready to lynch someone based on hysteria and not facts

It is totally obvious after today's hearing that Pistorius has been telling the truth.....and the prosecution has not. This is a tragic case but Pistorius did not murder Reeva Steencamp....and this is a statement of fact.

South Africa high crime rate would freak anyone out. I would be armed, too

Coupled with South Africa being a Black Racist Idiotocracy that has super high Black on White crime rate.....and a SA so backward that much of fact its Black Racist populace believes that raping little girls cures AIDS. SA Blacks and White Guilt Liberals are just jonesing to lynch a rich successful White South African...."we gonna make up for Apartheid, Paul Simon's Graceland...."
 
2013-02-20 02:49:02 PM  

gunther_bumpass: PooperMcSlides: I know that when I wake up and someone is in the bathroom, I start shooting first and look for my girlfriend after. Better safe than sorry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paUDdGXTMNk#t=32s


damn it, I can't watch at work. I'm going to go shoot at the bathroom.
 
2013-02-20 02:51:31 PM  

cretinbob: Oh this is going to be fun.

Anyway, this is why people should be charged with a crime when they shoot someone. An investigation and trial can prove innocence as well as guilt.


Nuh-uh, Pistorius was just standing his ground!
 
2013-02-20 02:51:54 PM  
He's gonna walk.
 
2013-02-20 02:53:59 PM  

tonguedepressor: joaquin closet: lock

Ay, there's the rub.  Who locks a bathroom door when its just you and your dna exchange partner?


I dunno, I'd be inclined to lock the door if I was poopin'.  There's intimacy, and then there's "Nobody wants to see that."

From what I've read, the toilet was in a small room within the bathroom.  That bathroom did have a window, so someone could have gotten in.

Finding one shell casing outside the toilet room and three inside seems a little damning, though.  How'd the casings get through the locked door?

Also, he doesn't wear his blades all the time; he has prosthetic legs with regular feet for shoes.
 
2013-02-20 02:54:58 PM  

stevarooni: FTFA:  The detective told the hearing that police found one shell casing outside the bathroom where prosecutors say Steenkamp locked herself before the shooting, and three more shell casings inside.

(emphasis mine)  Locking one's self in a bathroom is not typical behavior if one is trying to "surprise" one's boyfriend.  Yeah,  Cretinbob, this is going to be a lot of fun!


She probably locked the door so he wouldn't walk in on her. I lock the door at my place when I go to the bathroom, mostly because after two brothers and a toddler, it's kind of hardwired in.

Also, DO NOT POINT THE FARKING WEAPON AT ANYTHING YOU CANNOT IDENTIFY, ffs.
 
2013-02-20 02:56:05 PM  
 
2013-02-20 02:58:49 PM  

WalMartian: tonguedepressor: joaquin closet: lock

Ay, there's the rub.  Who locks a bathroom door when its just you and your dna exchange partner?

I dunno, I'd be inclined to lock the door if I was poopin'.  There's intimacy, and then there's "Nobody wants to see that."

From what I've read, the toilet was in a small room within the bathroom.  That bathroom did have a window, so someone could have gotten in.

Finding one shell casing outside the toilet room and three inside seems a little damning, though.  How'd the casings get through the locked door?

Also, he doesn't wear his blades all the time; he has prosthetic legs with regular feet for shoes.


Its more about knowing your mate won't walk in on you when the bathroom door is closed rather than what's going on in there. My wife and I and my daughter have never locked the bthrm door.
 
2013-02-20 02:59:32 PM  

tukatz: That's where all intruders go.... into the bathroom.  That's where all the valuables are.... T.P. is getting expensive.


Even if he honestly thought she WAS a burglar, why the hell would you shoot at him?  He's trapped in there.  Tell him you'll blow his head off if he tries to come out, call 911, wait for the cops to arrive.

Even if you don't have any ethical qualms about killing the dude, why ruin a door and pump your bathroom full of bullet holes?
 
2013-02-20 03:00:30 PM  

tonguedepressor: WalMartian: tonguedepressor: joaquin closet: lock

Ay, there's the rub.  Who locks a bathroom door when its just you and your dna exchange partner?

I dunno, I'd be inclined to lock the door if I was poopin'.  There's intimacy, and then there's "Nobody wants to see that."

From what I've read, the toilet was in a small room within the bathroom.  That bathroom did have a window, so someone could have gotten in.

Finding one shell casing outside the toilet room and three inside seems a little damning, though.  How'd the casings get through the locked door?

Also, he doesn't wear his blades all the time; he has prosthetic legs with regular feet for shoes.

Its more about knowing your mate won't walk in on you when the bathroom door is closed rather than what's going on in there. My wife and I and my daughter have never locked the bthrm door.


They'd only been dating a short time, maybe that knowledge hadn't been established, or she always did it at her own/parent's home.  Habits are hard to break.
 
2013-02-20 03:14:00 PM  
Ah the old 'someone was in my bathroom so I emptied my pistol into the door' situation aye? Sure we've all been there right?
 
2013-02-20 03:15:55 PM  

someonelse: Even so, shouldn't it be some kind of criminal negligence to start firing blindly without actually checking the whereabouts of his girlfriend?


Yeah if you accidently an innocent person while needing to defend yourself you are pretty much looking at manslaughter charges, at least here in the US not sure what SAs laws are like on the matter.
 
2013-02-20 03:15:56 PM  

someonelse: Even so, shouldn't it be some kind of criminal negligence to start firing blindly without actually checking the whereabouts of his girlfriend?


not if he had reason to believe she was out of the house.
 
2013-02-20 03:18:27 PM  
No mention of the bloody cricket bat?

Not sure how his story jibes with the cops evidence...wouldn't they be able to tell if he fired the shots with his prosthetic legs on or not?  I know he claims to have fired from his stubs, the police are claiming he fired with his prosthetic legs on.
 
2013-02-20 03:19:42 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: His whole story sounds fishy to me. She locked herself in the bathroom, and he fired multiple shots at her. According to witnesses, (shaky) they heard a woman screaming, and more shots. Sounds like he was in a roid rage and offed her. But i don't know all the facts, and im guessing.


Yeah roid rage isn't actually a thing
 
2013-02-20 03:21:51 PM  
The first thing I do when I break into someones home is to take a big O'l healthy shiat.
 
2013-02-20 03:23:04 PM  

Alex Broughton Butt Chugger: Master Sphincter: He should be in Jail for ever if he meant to do it.  He should be in Jail for 25 years if he didnt mean to do it.

Idiot's beware

So idiot is beware, or idiot has a beware. Interesting.


rlv.zcache.co.uk
 
2013-02-20 03:26:12 PM  
I wonder if these rich dudes have to pay out the wazoo to police to get off scott free, like OJ, like Robert Blake, like Phil Spector the first few times.

Wonder what's the going rate for buying a get-away-with-murder card.
 
2013-02-20 03:27:30 PM  
sometimes I have vivid dreams and these dreams cause me to be up around the house not really coherent. I've gotten better since I've gotten older but when I was a kid I punched my brother and my cousin on different occasions. took a swing at my mom and  swung at my dad with a broomstick (i thought it was a sword and he was a monster attempting to get my sisters)
I dont own any guns or weapons any more for this reason. I fear doing this to my fiance. She's been briefed to just stay away and talk to me til I realize I'm asleep and wake up which is what works best.
 
2013-02-20 03:30:26 PM  
Riiiight. So the steroids thing was crap. Turns out they were legal herbal suplements much used by athletes. Right, whatever.
The police and witness stories are variable.
Yeah... at the very least the prosecution case seem to have shot their mouth off at least as much as Pistolius shot his GF through the door.  That definately happened, it's a case of how and why. At the very least he was negligent with the gun, maybe much more.
As has been pointed out cartridge cases move around easily on smooth surfaces, their position means little either way.
I guess it all comes down to what did the witness hear and long long did they hear it for? From 1800 feet away... or is it 900? Cops accounts are variable...  again.

That's some fine police work there Lou Van Meerkamp.
 
2013-02-20 03:33:41 PM  
More likely headline:  Pistorius' account of how he killed his girlfriend consistent with what police found at the crime scene, says bribed official.
 
2013-02-20 03:40:39 PM  

WalMartian: Also, he doesn't wear his blades all the time; he has prosthetic legs with regular feet for shoes.


Why? I mean...he doesn't have feet. If that condition comes with ONE upside, it's that you don't have to buy shoes. Hell, for that matter, he could attach any number of prosthetic devices to his stumps. If it were me, I'd attach something like this to where my legs used to be:

i.ebayimg.com
But with some sort of weapons system...
 
2013-02-20 03:42:18 PM  

grath: sometimes I have vivid dreams and these dreams cause me to be up around the house not really coherent. I've gotten better since I've gotten older but when I was a kid I punched my brother and my cousin on different occasions. took a swing at my mom and  swung at my dad with a broomstick (i thought it was a sword and he was a monster attempting to get my sisters)
I dont own any guns or weapons any more for this reason. I fear doing this to my fiance. She's been briefed to just stay away and talk to me til I realize I'm asleep and wake up which is what works best.


I used to have episodes like that if I took an antihistamine called Seldane in the early 1980's.  Saw all kinds of crap in the bedroom - giant spiders, flying pigs, etc.  I once crawled over my sleeping husband and ended up in the living room trying to get away from something.  The thing that never dawned on me was I was blind as a bat without my contacts/glasses.  I couldn't see an elephant flying in the room.
 
2013-02-20 04:05:48 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: RulerOfNone: Why is it that the most inspirational olympic athletes always end up getting into shiat like this?

Mary Lou Retton's 14 state necrophilic serial killing spree of the early 90s?


You, sir, have caused me to waste a few minutes of my time. Well done.
 
HBK
2013-02-20 04:06:41 PM  
Now he holds two records. The fastest paralympian and the only person to ever take off his leg to try to stab somebody.
 
2013-02-20 04:10:32 PM  

Supes: thornhill: I don't get why this is getting so much attention in the United States -- even NPR has an update on him every morning and evening. I mean, at the least I think a lot more people know who Manti Te'o than this guy (and that story was far weirder and more amusing).

I dunno. I follow both the Olympics and college football. I've known who Pistorius was since 2008 or so, and Manti Te'o I hadn't heard about till this season. Pistorius is kind of a big deal and inspirational story to many people.


Po lil tink tink...
 
2013-02-20 04:15:02 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: EyeballKid

Good to see we all still have our wits about us enough to recognize the true victim of this crime.


That poor door never had a chance. :-(


One does not simply walk fire into poor door.


Wow.

Just.... terrible. Is that you Dad?
 
2013-02-20 04:16:34 PM  

youmightberight: someonelse: Even so, shouldn't it be some kind of criminal negligence to start firing blindly without actually checking the whereabouts of his girlfriend?

not if he had reason to believe she was out of the  out house.


FTFY
 
2013-02-20 04:20:59 PM  

wildcardjack: RulerOfNone: Why is it that the most inspirational olympic athletes always end up getting into shiat like this?

Because you'll never hear about the normal slob who uses a gun to kill someone through a door in what they claim was a self defense situation. Partly because it's a nobody, partly because there's a "don't talk about gun mishaps" in American media.


Really? In which America? South?
 
2013-02-20 04:21:48 PM  
I heard George Lucas has footage of the door shooting first.
 
2013-02-20 04:26:17 PM  

Sgt Otter: tukatz: That's where all intruders go.... into the bathroom.  That's where all the valuables are.... T.P. is getting expensive.

Even if he honestly thought she WAS a burglar, why the hell would you shoot at him?  He's trapped in there.  Tell him you'll blow his head off if he tries to come out, call 911, wait for the cops to arrive.

Even if you don't have any ethical qualms about killing the dude, why ruin a door and pump your bathroom full of bullet holes?


Perhaps he was not enthused by the prospect of the person on the other side shooting him through said door when the intention of blowing his head off was announced?
 
2013-02-20 04:29:20 PM  

Sgt Otter: tukatz: That's where all intruders go.... into the bathroom.  That's where all the valuables are.... T.P. is getting expensive.

Even if he honestly thought she WAS a burglar, why the hell would you shoot at him?  He's trapped in there.  Tell him you'll blow his head off if he tries to come out, call 911, wait for the cops to arrive.

Even if you don't have any ethical qualms about killing the dude, why ruin a door and pump your bathroom full of bullet holes?


Because you can afford to, and home repairs > hospital bills / being dead. Not defending anyone, just devil's advocate.
 
2013-02-20 04:38:27 PM  

Daniels: Sgt Otter: tukatz: That's where all intruders go.... into the bathroom.  That's where all the valuables are.... T.P. is getting expensive.

Even if he honestly thought she WAS a burglar, why the hell would you shoot at him?  He's trapped in there.  Tell him you'll blow his head off if he tries to come out, call 911, wait for the cops to arrive.

Even if you don't have any ethical qualms about killing the dude, why ruin a door and pump your bathroom full of bullet holes?

Perhaps he was not enthused by the prospect of the person on the other side shooting him through said door when the intention of blowing his head off was announced?


Or you don't stand directly in front of it, like an idiot would.
 
2013-02-20 04:49:55 PM  
Oscar Pistorius...is that what you go by now?  I know you as Cyberdyne Systems Model T-200, would have been T-800 but we only got a 1/4 of the way done.
 
2013-02-20 04:50:31 PM  
He just needed a slow white Bronco.
 
2013-02-20 04:50:58 PM  

RulerOfNone: Why is it that the most inspirational olympic athletes always end up getting into shiat like this?


I think it's maybe more to do with the way the athletes presents themselves. Michael Phelps is an inspirational Olympic athlete, no? And he also seems like a top bloke. I'd have a bong and a beer with him,

Non-Olympic of course, but for me, Lance Armstrong is at the opposite end of the scale from Phelps. I wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire.

Pistorius... well, there was that story of him whining about the blades of the guy that beat him in the Paralympics, which makes me thinks he's a douche.

And Suzy Favor Hamilton who deliberately fell, during the 2000 Olympics when she knew she wasn't getting a medal.

I guess what I'm getting at is the idea that competitors in individual sports may put the mantra of winning, to prove themselves or whatever, above the idea of being decent human beings. Armstrong in particular seems to be a pure socio path.

thornhill: I don't get why this is getting so much attention in the United States -- even NPR has an update on him every morning and evening. I mean, at the least I think a lot more people know who Manti Te'o than this guy (and that story was far weirder and more amusing).


Pistorius was the first person with prostheses to compete in the Olympics. That's a big effin deal.

I know who Manti Te'o is. I don't really know why. He pretended he had a girlfriend who died, and... why should he be mentioned beyond that?
 
2013-02-20 04:58:47 PM  
So it's OK to shoot & kill someone if you think they might be a burglar?
 
2013-02-20 05:00:21 PM  

iron de havilland: Pistorius was the first person with prostheses to compete in the Olympics. That's a big effin deal.


Hell yes it is! He made it possible to completely upend the playing field and call it "leveling" it.

Differences between his blades and the feet he competed with:

Coefficient of restitution (springiness)
Lack of lactic acid buildup (fatigue)
Less "unsprung weight". Ask any racing engineer what this means. In short, it's a lot easier to pump those legs up and down if they weigh less.
Different grip characteristics. from shoes/ feet.

Basically, now any chess competitor can argue for the ability to bring a supercomputer, claiming to be retarded.

Any football player can now argue for the ability to use a taser, under the excuse of being smaller that the other players.

Shot-putt competitors can argue to use a small cannon, under the argument that their arm is disabled.
 
2013-02-20 05:04:35 PM  

iron de havilland: I know who Manti Te'o is. I don't really know why. He pretended he had a girlfriend who died, and... why should he be mentioned beyond that?


Well, he's also a pretty good player who should be drafted in the middle of the first round in this year's draft. But unless you're a big college football or Notre Dame fan, most people can't name the top LB in college on any given year.
 
2013-02-20 05:06:03 PM  
His story, like his girlfriend, is full of holes.
 
2013-02-20 05:29:15 PM  

Oldiron_79: Yeah if you accidently an innocent person while needing to defend yourself you are pretty much looking at manslaughter charges, at least here in the US not sure what SAs laws are like on the matter.


I'm a big self-defense proponent and I agree.  If you're going to shoot somebody in self defense, you'd better be very sure it's really necessary.  Taking a human life is serious business.  I don't think having at least a Grand Jury hearing(or other administrative hearing to determine whether charges should be pressed) to be out of line.

Be aware of your target, and what's behind your target.
 
2013-02-20 05:46:50 PM  

Firethorn: Be aware of your target, and what's behind your target.


Then how the hell are you suppose to kill someone and claim it was an accident?!
 
2013-02-20 05:55:27 PM  

KiwDaWabbit: I realize that elite athletes more than likely possess a level of arrogance and/or narcissism that I probably would never be able to fully comprehend, but my main curiosity with this horrific crime is how exactly did he think he was going to get away with it?


By running away really fast?
 
2013-02-20 06:01:28 PM  

grath: sometimes I have vivid dreams and these dreams cause me to be up around the house not really coherent. I've gotten better since I've gotten older but when I was a kid I punched my brother and my cousin on different occasions. took a swing at my mom and  swung at my dad with a broomstick (i thought it was a sword and he was a monster attempting to get my sisters)
I dont own any guns or weapons any more for this reason. I fear doing this to my fiance. She's been briefed to just stay away and talk to me til I realize I'm asleep and wake up which is what works best.



Have you given her a squirt bottle to use on you? Try it.

Keep an extra one in the fridge.
 
2013-02-20 06:03:06 PM  
Unless the prosecutors have a boatload of evidence to prove premeditation (motive being pretty important, as well as other steps of preparation) then this murder charge is going to be pretty hard to stick.

If there is a lower degree of charge, like manslaugher / negligent homicide, then those are going to be pretty hard to lose, unless the defense has a boatload of rubbish to fool the judge/jury with.

Simply put, any arsehole who acts the way he did in that situation (as described) deserves to go to prison for at least a few years to think it over.  He *thought* there *might* be an *intruder* in his house, when he knew for a fact that there was at least one other person present in the house who was not an intruder, he was prepared, ready, armed, and never saw the *intruder* and was under no imminent threat from said *intruder* yet he fired 4 rounds blind anyway?  Criminal arsehole.
 
2013-02-20 06:04:18 PM  

RulerOfNone: Why is it that the most inspirational olympic athletes always end up getting into shiat like this?


Because our heroes are human. We forget this, in the heat of the hero worship.

But no matter who we choose to idolize they're still human and thus subject to temptation, rage, deception and all the other fun stuff that make people human. The good parts of humanity too, sure, but we forget about the bad parts because we want to believe our heroes are better than us.
 
2013-02-20 06:29:34 PM  
I, for one, remain incredibly unimpressed that this guy would shoot at a target he can't see. Unless you're blind, that's no way to handle a weapon.
 
2013-02-20 06:45:15 PM  

Theaetetus: FTFA:
A South African investigator says Oscar Pistorius' account of how he killed his girlfriend is consistent with what police have found at the crime scene.
Detective Hilton Botha made the acknowledgement under questioning from the Olympic runner's defense team Wednesday, on the second day of his bail hearing in Pretoria.

But then...
[Defense Attorney] Roux also argued with Botha's statement that the shots through the door were fired downward, suggesting Pistorius, known as the "blade runner" for his artificial legs, put the legs on before heading to the door.
Pistorius said in an affidavit Tuesday that he was moving around on his stumps.

That doesn't sound like Botha was saying Pistorius' version was consistent with the crime scene.


No but "After the defense lawyer further questioned Botha, the investigating officer admitted that there was no strong substance to his earlier claim that the shots were fired 1.5 metres from the toilet door at a downwards angle." does.

http://www.digitalspy.com/celebrity/news/a460249/oscar-pistorius-cas e- defense-denies-steroids-claim-shooting-distance.html
 
2013-02-20 06:46:25 PM  

edmo: I, for one, remain incredibly unimpressed that this guy would shoot at a target he can't see. Unless you're blind, that's no way to handle a weapon.


Nah, the last blind guy who shot an intruder actually waited for the intruder to speak before he shot him so he would know where to fire.
 
2013-02-20 06:55:10 PM  
Hold on a sec.  The bathroom door was locked.  I don't even *shut* the door when I use it in the middle of the night.  I call shenanigans...she was trying to keep someone out.
/Mr. Sunrunneth doesn't seem to mind.
 
2013-02-20 06:59:04 PM  
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"Lem and Ronnie failed to clear the room."
 
2013-02-20 07:07:11 PM  

Atomic Spunk: thornhill: I mean, at the least I think a lot more people know who Manti Te'o than this guy (and that story was far weirder and more amusing).

In the U.S., perhaps. Certainly not worldwide.


If this was some random olympian from SA then this isnt much of a story in the US.  However, this guy was one of the biggest stories of the Olympics because he doesnt have legs, he was supposed to be inspirational, etc.  Honestly, I can only name 2 current track stars, this guy and Bolt.  As far as T'eo goes, unless you follow college football you probably wouldnt know who he was until the fake girlfriend went mainstream.  The olympics has a wider audience.  just my opinion.

As far as the case goes, if in fact ballistics prove that he fired down from a higher angle, he is farked.  The crux of his defense seems to be that he didnt have his blades on so he felt vulnerable and felt the need to start shooting.  If he fired from a higher angle, he would have had to have had the legs on and that shoots up his whole defense.
 
2013-02-20 07:12:03 PM  
I'll give him this, the defense lawyer is a lot smarter and better paid than the prosecution's.

Pretty hard to screw this one up though.

Unless Pistorius can give a good reason why he didn't call out before he started blasting, and why multiple witnesses heard an argument for an hour before the shots, his claims don't really hold up to believability.
 
2013-02-20 07:42:09 PM  

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: someonelse: Even so, shouldn't it be some kind of criminal negligence to start firing blindly without actually checking the whereabouts of his girlfriend?

Yes, I'm hoping there's some sort of civil suit for "negligent death" or a mild criminal sentence if it's determined he had no intent of shooting his girlfriend. We shouldn't rush to call the guy a murderer but he either is one or he recklessly shoot at another person. Regardless there should be a punishment for it.


He himself claims to be a murderer.

His intent was to shoot that person in the bathroom, thus it was murder. What he is sorry about is that it was his girlfriend.
 
2013-02-20 07:47:28 PM  

tonguedepressor: joaquin closet: lock

Ay, there's the rub.  Who locks a bathroom door when its just you and your dna exchange partner?


Everyone?
 
2013-02-20 07:54:25 PM  

you have pee hands: banandar123: For the second witness, 600 meters is about .4 of a mile. Would it be possible to hear screaming/arguing from that far away? (honest question, I've never thought about it.)

I wouldn't think so unless it's otherwise dead quiet.

What I want to know - there's been a lot said about how SA has terrible crime rates and tons of breakins.  Is that true even in gated, guarded complexes like where Pistorius lived or is he really just paranoid?


My friend spent a year in Durban working for his company.  He was housed in a middle class compound with walls and guards, but break ins would happen there.  The thieves could scale the walls and would sometimes bribe the guards to look the other way.  His house had bars on the windows and a steel mesh door on the outside of the front door.  He said it sucked to come home and basically be locked in a jail cell that was his house.  He told me that some of his co-workers had panic rooms and if someone broke in the best thing to do was to lock yourself in your panic room, call the cops and lets the thieves grab what they wanted.  The thieves care more about your shiat than they do about you.  Fortunately he never had anyone try to get in his house.  Pistorius lived in a really high end complex so it is probably better in there.
 
2013-02-20 08:04:02 PM  

someonelse: Even so, shouldn't it be some kind of criminal negligence to start firing blindly without actually checking the whereabouts of his girlfriend?


Firing through a door with nomal bullets IS reckless.

He should at least lose any permits he had, if South Africa even has permits.
 
2013-02-20 08:07:13 PM  
Couple things:

1) They don't use a jury system in South Africa.
2) Pestorius's home also had a very sophisticated security system, and he had three large dogs.
 
2013-02-20 08:12:13 PM  

spawn73: tonguedepressor: joaquin closet: lock

Ay, there's the rub.  Who locks a bathroom door when its just you and your dna exchange partner?

Everyone?


1) After a rigorous 45 minute 69 session you're afraid she's going to come in and see you sitting on the potty?

2) You live in a household where you're partner has no regard for a closed bathroom door and will just walk right in knowing you're in there?
3) What exactly  are you doing in there?
 
2013-02-20 08:14:27 PM  

spawn73: tonguedepressor: joaquin closet: lock

Ay, there's the rub.  Who locks a bathroom door when its just you and your dna exchange partner?

Everyone?


4) I'm assuming you're older than thirteen btw.
 
2013-02-20 08:23:29 PM  
Brown people problems? He was brownish, right?
 
2013-02-20 08:27:23 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: you have pee hands: banandar123: For the second witness, 600 meters is about .4 of a mile. Would it be possible to hear screaming/arguing from that far away? (honest question, I've never thought about it.)

I wouldn't think so unless it's otherwise dead quiet.

What I want to know - there's been a lot said about how SA has terrible crime rates and tons of breakins.  Is that true even in gated, guarded complexes like where Pistorius lived or is he really just paranoid?

My friend spent a year in Durban working for his company.  He was housed in a middle class compound with walls and guards, but break ins would happen there.  The thieves could scale the walls and would sometimes bribe the guards to look the other way.  His house had bars on the windows and a steel mesh door on the outside of the front door.  He said it sucked to come home and basically be locked in a jail cell that was his house.  He told me that some of his co-workers had panic rooms and if someone broke in the best thing to do was to lock yourself in your panic room, call the cops and lets the thieves grab what they wanted.  The thieves care more about your shiat than they do about you.  Fortunately he never had anyone try to get in his house.  Pistorius lived in a really high end complex so it is probably better in there.


Some of the houses within the gated community might be rented out - vacation rentals - which would bring unknown characters within the walls.
 
2013-02-20 08:28:40 PM  

doglover: someonelse: Even so, shouldn't it be some kind of criminal negligence to start firing blindly without actually checking the whereabouts of his girlfriend?

Firing through a door with nomal bullets IS reckless.

He should at least lose any permits he had, if South Africa even has permits.


He was in the process of getting permits for 6 more guns.
 
2013-02-20 08:41:37 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: His whole story sounds fishy to me. She locked herself in the bathroom, and he fired multiple shots at her. According to witnesses, (shaky) they heard a woman screaming, and more shots. Sounds like he was in a roid rage and offed her. But i don't know all the facts, and im guessing.


The last person I shot, they made quite a noise. If I shot my wife again, I think I might realise who I was shooting after she started yelling.

In any case, it would take a complete lunatic to hear somebody in the bathroom, get up out of the bed he shared with his girlfriend, and start firing through the door, supposedly to defend said girlfriend, without first checking whether she might, in fact, have popped out for a pee. It's total, transparent BS. Hand me that pitchfork.
 
2013-02-20 08:45:39 PM  
I was so disappointed when I saw "Blade Runner murder" in a headline and then found out no replicants were involved.
 
2013-02-20 08:54:34 PM  

someonelse: Even so, shouldn't it be some kind of criminal negligence to start firing blindly without actually checking the whereabouts of his girlfriend?


It doesn't take you 5 min to get out of bed, PUT ON YOUR LEGS, and walk around. I wish he had a multi shot taser instead of a gun, but in this case I can understand his alleged reasoning.
 
2013-02-20 08:55:03 PM  

HAMMERTOE: He could see well enough to find his gun, and find his way to the bathroom, but not well enough to see that his girlfriend wasn't in the bed while taking the gun from under the bed? Smell-test not passed.



seeswhatyoudid
 
2013-02-20 09:02:49 PM  
Apparently all that arguing going on before hand was just him yelling at the burglar instead of calling the cops who had already been there earlier when he was fighting with his girlfriend.
 
2013-02-20 09:03:05 PM  

tonguedepressor: spawn73: tonguedepressor: joaquin closet: lock

Ay, there's the rub.  Who locks a bathroom door when its just you and your dna exchange partner?

Everyone?

1) After a rigorous 45 minute 69 session you're afraid she's going to come in and see you sitting on the potty?

2) You live in a household where you're partner has no regard for a closed bathroom door and will just walk right in knowing you're in there?
3) What exactly  are you doing in there?


1. I wish. ;)

2. Well, yeah. The door can be closed even if unoccupied.  Also my partner, much like this dude, doesn't keep constant check on my wereabouts.

3. Taking a dump.
 
2013-02-20 09:16:35 PM  

Master Sphincter: He should be in Jail for ever if he meant to do it.  He should be in Jail for 25 years if he didnt mean to do it.

Idiot's beware


Exactly. I don't care if it was an accident.  I don't care if he thought it was a robber. The fact remains that he shot and killed an innocent person. This is how it should be for all of these dumbass gun owning cowboy wannabes. If you have a gun, you have to take the responsibility that comes with it. And that includes serious prison time if you hurt or kill an innocent.
 
2013-02-20 09:18:55 PM  

spawn73: tonguedepressor: spawn73: tonguedepressor: joaquin closet: lock

Ay, there's the rub.  Who locks a bathroom door when its just you and your dna exchange partner?

Everyone?

1) After a rigorous 45 minute 69 session you're afraid she's going to come in and see you sitting on the potty?

2) You live in a household where you're partner has no regard for a closed bathroom door and will just walk right in knowing you're in there?
3) What exactly  are you doing in there?

1. I wish. ;)

2. Well, yeah. The door can be closed even if unoccupied.  Also my partner, much like this dude, doesn't keep constant check on my wereabouts.

3. Taking a dump.


Actually it comes down to just one question, who would walk into a bathroom w/o knocking and getting a response when the door is closed?
 
2013-02-20 09:22:36 PM  

flamingboard: Apparently all that arguing going on before hand was just him yelling at the burglar instead of calling the cops who had already been there earlier when he was fighting with his girlfriend.


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2013-02-20 09:32:55 PM  
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2013-02-20 09:34:40 PM  

Sunrunneth: Hold on a sec.  The bathroom door was locked.  I don't even *shut* the door when I use it in the middle of the night.  I call shenanigans...she was trying to keep someone out.
/Mr. Sunrunneth doesn't seem to mind.


My wife does the same thing. I promise you, Mr. Sunrunneth does mind. It's disgusting.
 
2013-02-20 10:26:35 PM  

Jesus McSordid: In any case, it would take a complete lunatic to hear somebody in the bathroom, get up out of the bed he shared with his girlfriend, and start firing through the door, supposedly to defend said girlfriend, without first checking whether she might, in fact, have popped out for a pee. It's total, transparent BS. Hand me that pitchfork.


I'm gonna have to agree with this.  What a bullshiat story.  How could you  wake up and get out of bed  without noticing whether or not your girlfriend was in the bed, let alone put on your legs, get a gun, and still not notice where she was?  I'd think if you thought  someone was running around the house, the first thing you'd do is look for the person who was supposed to be there.
 
2013-02-20 10:29:17 PM  
From the article:

1) One shell casing found outside bathroom, three found inside.

2) Witness reported gunshot, then woman screaming, then more gunshots.

If this is true, the situation is pretty obvious. Forget even the implausibility of the rest of the story (GF somewhere in apartment, you don't have a clear ID on the perp, and you start blindly blasting through the door with a limited number of bullets while facing a potentially lethal intruder).

But - give him time. How can he be expected to come up with a plausible story which fits the facts until he knows all the facts the prosecutors have? I'm sure when the evidence is given to the defense prior to trial, they'll come up with a perfectly plausible story. The defense attorney seems quite capable.
 
2013-02-20 10:29:48 PM  
We all know he did it, but he just might get off.  A great defense attorney can do that for you.  See Caylee Anthony and OJ
 
2013-02-20 10:34:16 PM  

cretinbob: Oh this is going to be fun.

Anyway, this is why people should be charged with a crime when they shoot someone. An investigation and trial can prove innocence as well as guilt.


OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony, and every single person freed by the Innocence Project COMPLETELY agree with you. A trial is certainly the right way to go.
 
2013-02-21 02:22:42 AM  
tonguedepressor: 
Actually it comes down to just one question, who would walk into a bathroom w/o knocking and getting a response when the door is closed?

I guess if you don't lock the door, then you have to knock on the door constanty.
 
2013-02-21 02:38:10 AM  

spawn73: tonguedepressor: 
Actually it comes down to just one question, who would walk into a bathroom w/o knocking and getting a response when the door is closed?

I guess if you don't lock the door, then you have to knock on the door constanty.


Or.., and just hear me out here, one could just..wait.. until the person has completed his/her business in there before disturbing them.

I know, its a whacky, crazy, WILD concept but if just  1 of you were to pull it off successfully, it might actually become a household theme!  Think of it, no locked door AND YET..privacy at the same time!

WHOA.
 
2013-02-21 02:46:48 AM  

tonguedepressor: spawn73: tonguedepressor:
Actually it comes down to just one question, who would walk into a bathroom w/o knocking and getting a response when the door is closed?


I guess if you don't lock the door, then you have to knock on the door constanty.

Or.., and just hear me out here, one could just..wait.. until the person has completed his/her business in there before rather than disturbing them.

I know, its a whacky, crazy, WILD concept but if just  1 of you were to pull it off successfully, it might actually become a household theme!  Think of it, no locked door AND YET..privacy at the same time!

WHOA.

New and improved and even wilder!
 
2013-02-21 06:33:50 AM  
I don't see how this is a defense at all.  He shot her.  He killed her.  He admits he shot her.  Lock him up.

I live in gun friendly Texas, but even here, if you go shooting through doors any time you get nervous, you're going to have some problems when you kill someone who had a right to be there.
 
2013-02-21 02:35:53 PM  

wingding: Then how the hell are you suppose to kill someone and claim it was an accident?!


This isn't southpark; I place a high value on human life, typically.  While I support people's right to shoot in self defense, it had bloody well better be self defense.  Accidentally shooting and killing somebody should equal manslaughter unless the circumstances were really crazy.  A miss during a legitimate self defense shooting that penetrates a wall and hits somebody(blind chance), for example.

spawn73: His intent was to shoot that person in the bathroom, thus it was murder. What he is sorry about is that it was his girlfriend.


He thought he was defending himself at the time.  While I find shooting through a bathroom door to be dodgy; it depends on South African law and threat levels.

JuggleGeek: I live in gun friendly Texas, but even here, if you go shooting through doors any time you get nervous, you're going to have some problems when you kill someone who had a right to be there.


I live in a state even more gun friendly than Texas - but if you go shooting without cause within a city, even your own house, you're going to have some problems even before anybody gets shot.

And I'm saying this as somebody who plans to build a range in the basement.
 
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