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(Voice of America)   Investigator says Pistorius' account of how he killed his girlfriend consistent with what police found at the crime scene. Wait, you mean there might be another side to the story? What are we supposed to do with these torches and pitchforks?   (voanews.com) divider line 190
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2013-02-20 11:59:54 AM
Subby mad
 
2013-02-20 12:06:00 PM
Even so, shouldn't it be some kind of criminal negligence to start firing blindly without actually checking the whereabouts of his girlfriend?
 
2013-02-20 12:06:12 PM
FTFA:
A South African investigator says Oscar Pistorius' account of how he killed his girlfriend is consistent with what police have found at the crime scene.
Detective Hilton Botha made the acknowledgement under questioning from the Olympic runner's defense team Wednesday, on the second day of his bail hearing in Pretoria.


But then...
[Defense Attorney] Roux also argued with Botha's statement that the shots through the door were fired downward, suggesting Pistorius, known as the "blade runner" for his artificial legs, put the legs on before heading to the door.
Pistorius said in an affidavit Tuesday that he was moving around on his stumps.


That doesn't sound like Botha was saying Pistorius' version was consistent with the crime scene.
 
2013-02-20 12:13:17 PM
Oh this is going to be fun.

Anyway, this is why people should be charged with a crime when they shoot someone. An investigation and trial can prove innocence as well as guilt.
 
2013-02-20 12:37:22 PM

cretinbob: Anyway, this is why people should be charged with a crime when they shoot someone. An investigation and trial can prove innocence as well as guilt.


Er, no. The police aren't trying to do you a favor. Their job is to gather evidence to convict you. Period. Don't talk to the police, as this extremely informational video warns.
 
2013-02-20 12:38:40 PM
Yes, it's consistent. He shot her multiple times through the bathroom door. Indisputable.
 
2013-02-20 12:38:42 PM
At the very, very least, it's negligent homicide.

I do think a Murder-1 charge is probably prosecutorial overreach that could end up with this charming fellow getting off scott-free.
 
2013-02-20 12:38:46 PM
Wait, I'm confused.  Oscar admits he shot her through the door.  The police officer agrees.  I'm not sure how this is a major win for the defense.  It seems like that will be handled in terms of if Oscar had his legs on and such, which a ballistics expert is going to testify on, not the guy who bagged up the shells and noted where the blood was.
 
2013-02-20 12:39:29 PM
His whole story sounds fishy to me. She locked herself in the bathroom, and he fired multiple shots at her. According to witnesses, (shaky) they heard a woman screaming, and more shots. Sounds like he was in a roid rage and offed her. But i don't know all the facts, and im guessing.
 
2013-02-20 12:39:31 PM
He should be in Jail for ever if he meant to do it.  He should be in Jail for 25 years if he didnt mean to do it.

Idiot's beware
 
2013-02-20 12:39:59 PM
Why is it that the most inspirational olympic athletes always end up getting into shiat like this?
 
2013-02-20 12:40:11 PM
I know that when I wake up and someone is in the bathroom, I start shooting first and look for my girlfriend after. Better safe than sorry.
 
2013-02-20 12:40:16 PM
i think he should get bail...as long as they can put an ankle monitor on him.
 
2013-02-20 12:41:10 PM
Yes, whenever I hear a noise in our house, I just start blasting away. Account for the other family members first you say? Hogwash.
 
2013-02-20 12:42:23 PM
He could see well enough to find his gun, and find his way to the bathroom, but not well enough to see that his girlfriend wasn't in the bed while taking the gun from under the bed? Smell-test not passed.
 
2013-02-20 12:42:50 PM
FTFA:  The detective told the hearing that police found one shell casing outside the bathroom where prosecutors say Steenkamp locked herself before the shooting, and three more shell casings inside.

(emphasis mine)  Locking one's self in a bathroom is not typical behavior if one is trying to "surprise" one's boyfriend.  Yeah,  Cretinbob, this is going to be a lot of fun!
 
2013-02-20 12:43:17 PM

someonelse: Even so, shouldn't it be some kind of criminal negligence to start firing blindly without actually checking the whereabouts of his girlfriend?


Why do you hate America?
 
2013-02-20 12:43:29 PM
Yeah, it's really hard to create a story that matches the general evidence at the scene.  What's he going to tell the police?  Yeah, I shot an intruder in the driveway, who wasn't my girlfriend, and somehow that intruder got into the bathroom and threatened to blow up the house with an explosive toilet?

Keep the pitchforks handy.
 
2013-02-20 12:44:24 PM

someonelse: Even so, shouldn't it be some kind of criminal negligence to start firing blindly without actually checking the whereabouts of his girlfriend?


Yes, I'm hoping there's some sort of civil suit for "negligent death" or a mild criminal sentence if it's determined he had no intent of shooting his girlfriend. We shouldn't rush to call the guy a murderer but he either is one or he recklessly shoot at another person. Regardless there should be a punishment for it.
 
2013-02-20 12:44:48 PM
Three more shell casings inside the bathroom?
 
2013-02-20 12:45:03 PM
Sounds like a win until..
"The detective told the hearing that police found one shell casing outside the bathroom where prosecutors say Steenkamp locked herself before the shooting, and three more shell casings inside."
 
2013-02-20 12:45:35 PM

RulerOfNone: Why is it that the most inspirational olympic athletes always end up getting into shiat like this?


Mary Lou Retton's 14 state necrophilic serial killing spree of the early 90s?
 
2013-02-20 12:45:54 PM
I don't get why this is getting so much attention in the United States -- even NPR has an update on him every morning and evening. I mean, at the least I think a lot more people know who Manti Te'o than this guy (and that story was far weirder and more amusing).
 
2013-02-20 12:46:16 PM
The story has many sides.  None of them are pretty, I'm sure.
 
2013-02-20 12:46:25 PM

James F. Campbell: cretinbob: Anyway, this is why people should be charged with a crime when they shoot someone. An investigation and trial can prove innocence as well as guilt.

Er, no. The police aren't trying to do you a favor. Their job is to gather evidence to convict you. Period. Don't talk to the police, as this extremely informational video warns.


cretinbob is partially right, a properly done investigation can certainly prove innocence. Trials however, rarely prove anything. There's always issues behind the scenes, evidence getting suppressed, procedural arguments.... juries are incredibly unpredictable too.

But you're also right, there's zero reason to ever agree to talk to the police. They love seducing you with lines like "If you didn't do anything, then you have nothing to hide!" and such, but no matter guilt/innocence it's just never a good idea.
 
2013-02-20 12:47:26 PM

thornhill: I don't get why this is getting so much attention in the United States [...]


Guns = headline news.
 
2013-02-20 12:47:36 PM
Your honor it wasn't me it was the one armed man!
 
2013-02-20 12:48:09 PM
even the 'i was so scared because i didn't have my blades on' seems like bullshiate to me. with his athletic ability i would think he was used to occasionally walking around on his stumps like if he was was going to the bathroom in the middle of the night or switching sex positions and his feet on the floor or bed. omg i hear a noise and my blades aren't on. shoot shoot shoot.
 
2013-02-20 12:48:11 PM
A detective hired by the defense team agrees with the defense?   I'm shocked.
 
2013-02-20 12:48:29 PM

James F. Campbell: cretinbob: Anyway, this is why people should be charged with a crime when they shoot someone. An investigation and trial can prove innocence as well as guilt.

Er, no. The police aren't trying to do you a favor. Their job is to gather evidence to convict you. Period. Don't talk to the police, as this extremely informational video warns.


Yep. As far as I know, trials have Prosecutors and Defenders. I don't think they have Truthfinders. A trial is just a game and you're the ball.
 
2013-02-20 12:48:40 PM

thornhill: I mean, at the least I think a lot more people know who Manti Te'o than this guy (and that story was far weirder and more amusing).


In the U.S., perhaps. Certainly not worldwide.
 
2013-02-20 12:49:18 PM

James F. Campbell: cretinbob: Anyway, this is why people should be charged with a crime when they shoot someone. An investigation and trial can prove innocence as well as guilt.

Er, no. The police aren't trying to do you a favor. Their job is to gather evidence to convict you. Period. Don't talk to the police, as this extremely informational video warns.


I think your link is broken. Pretty sure it should be this informational video  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PKtGnyGuKM (NSFWlanguage)
 
2013-02-20 12:49:26 PM
FTA "The defense questioned the credibility of those witnesses, as the investigator said the one who heard the shots had the wrong number fired and the one who reported hearing shouting was 600 meters from the home."

Meh, misestimating the amount of shots fired doesn't mean much in my mind. Obviously, you hear gunshots, you're not gonna be thinking "well shiat, I'd better count them! 1---2---3---4! 4!). Especially since this occurred in the early morning, so the guy prolly just woke up. No, you'd first be trying to identify the noise, then you'd wonder if your life/property is in imminent danger. I assume, anyway. But really, this guy's testimony is kinda moot. We all know that shots were fired, we know that 4 shots were fired, and we know the guy has admitted to firing the shots. =

For the second witness,  600 meters is about .4 of a mile. Would it be possible to hear screaming/arguing from that far away? (honest question, I've never thought about it.)

The "hour long argument" is a huge part of the prosecution's case, so this could put a little strain on them.
 
2013-02-20 12:50:09 PM
In this movie Jack Lemon makes the compelling argument that his wife had it coming.

upload.wikimedia.org

He told the jury (all men) exactly how he killed her, and disposed of the body.

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He was found "not guilty" by reason of 'she had it coming'.
 
2013-02-20 12:50:48 PM
Firstly, only a moron would put things into his affidavit that are obviously inconsistent with the evidence. While this rules out some of the rumors, it doesn't rule out premeditated murder.

Secondly, even if his story is true he was still grossly negligent and deserves a long time in prison for what he did.

Thirdly, I don't know how self defense law in South Africa works, but there is still the question whether the scenario that he assumed would have been legitimate self defense at all. If it wouldn't, then his mistake about the identity of the victim doesn't help him.
 
2013-02-20 12:50:55 PM

thornhill: I don't get why this is getting so much attention in the United States -- even NPR has an update on him every morning and evening. I mean, at the least I think a lot more people know who Manti Te'o than this guy (and that story was far weirder and more amusing).


I dunno. I follow both the Olympics and college football. I've known who Pistorius was since 2008 or so, and Manti Te'o I hadn't heard about till this season. Pistorius is kind of a big deal and inspirational story to many people.
 
2013-02-20 12:52:21 PM

Tanukis_Parachute: i think he should get bail...as long as they can put an ankle monitor on him.


Ding Ding Ding!!!

We have a Winnah!
 
2013-02-20 12:53:46 PM

Supes: thornhill: I don't get why this is getting so much attention in the United States -- even NPR has an update on him every morning and evening. I mean, at the least I think a lot more people know who Manti Te'o than this guy (and that story was far weirder and more amusing).

I dunno. I follow both the Olympics and college football. I've known who Pistorius was since 2008 or so, and Manti Te'o I hadn't heard about till this season. Pistorius is kind of a big deal and inspirational story to many people.


Also, it's a story with a twist. The media (and Americans, period) love twists.

"MAN WITH BIONIC LEGS MURDERS GIRLFRIEND" all over the internet, every newspaper, etc...It draws people right in lol.
 
2013-02-20 12:54:26 PM

banandar123: Obviously, you hear gunshots, you're not gonna be thinking "well shiat, I'd better count them! 1---2---3---4! 4!).


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2013-02-20 12:54:33 PM

AliceBToklasLives: RulerOfNone: Why is it that the most inspirational olympic athletes always end up getting into shiat like this?

Mary Lou Retton's 14 state necrophilic serial killing spree of the early 90s?


Did they finally settle the body count at 14?  Last I heard there was some disagreement due to the dismemberment.

/let's not even get started on what Bruce Jenner got involved in.
 
2013-02-20 12:57:05 PM

Supes: Pistorius is kind of a big deal and inspirational story to many people.


Yeah. People who hate their significant other...
 
2013-02-20 12:58:38 PM

banandar123: For the second witness, 600 meters is about .4 of a mile. Would it be possible to hear screaming/arguing from that far away? (honest question, I've never thought about it.)


I wouldn't think so unless it's otherwise dead quiet.

What I want to know - there's been a lot said about how SA has terrible crime rates and tons of breakins.  Is that true even in gated, guarded complexes like where Pistorius lived or is he really just paranoid?
 
2013-02-20 12:58:47 PM

banandar123: FTA "The defense questioned the credibility of those witnesses, as the investigator said the one who heard the shots had the wrong number fired and the one who reported hearing shouting was 600 meters from the home."

Meh, misestimating the amount of shots fired doesn't mean much in my mind. Obviously, you hear gunshots, you're not gonna be thinking "well shiat, I'd better count them! 1---2---3---4! 4!). Especially since this occurred in the early morning, so the guy prolly just woke up. No, you'd first be trying to identify the noise, then you'd wonder if your life/property is in imminent danger. I assume, anyway. But really, this guy's testimony is kinda moot. We all know that shots were fired, we know that 4 shots were fired, and we know the guy has admitted to firing the shots. =

For the second witness,  600 meters is about .4 of a mile. Would it be possible to hear screaming/arguing from that far away? (honest question, I've never thought about it.)

The "hour long argument" is a huge part of the prosecution's case, so this could put a little strain on them.


I think the arguement against the "1 hour of screaming" witness is that at nearly half a mile away how do you accurately say that the shouting is coming from one specific apartment? It could've been anyone in that building. Perhaps anyone in some adjacent buildings. And if you can hear it from .4 miles away, shouldn't there be other witnesses that can also attest to hearing a shouting match who are much closer?
 
2013-02-20 12:59:01 PM
Subby, "consistent" is not a verb.
 
2013-02-20 12:59:46 PM
That's where all intruders go.... into the bathroom.  That's where all the valuables are.... T.P. is getting expensive.
 
2013-02-20 01:00:09 PM
FTFA: Botha agreed with defense lawyer Barry Roux there were no signs of an assault on Steenkamp's body and no signs she defended herself from an assault.

How do you defend yourself against someone shooting at you though a bathroom door?

That said, he's rich and famous. He'll walk free. Well, bounce free.
 
2013-02-20 01:00:39 PM
So it all depends if he was legless or not?
 
2013-02-20 01:00:49 PM
Chick was hot but beyond that I care not.
 
2013-02-20 01:03:58 PM
If only she had been armed she could have shot him and protected herself

And I totally believe he was holding that batch of steroids for his friend
 
2013-02-20 01:04:07 PM

orbister: FTFA: Botha agreed with defense lawyer Barry Roux there were no signs of an assault on Steenkamp's body and no signs she defended herself from an assault.

How do you defend yourself against someone shooting at you though a bathroom door?


The idea, I think, is that if she ran into the bathroom to duck away from his physical assaults, she would have had some.  As opposed to fleeing when he starts his whole, "Hulk Smash!" rage.
 
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