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(The Spectator UK)   What American hipsters think of Holland: weed, hookers, perfect Utopia of freedom. What Holland really looks like: underage runaways, sex trafficking, forced prostitution, the knowledge that you've become the armpit of Europe   (spectator.co.uk) divider line 389
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2013-02-20 01:36:59 PM  
Legalizing prostitution and drugs had made the Dutch so sophisticated and enlightened. Quick, let's strive to grow human trafficking and legalize these blights on human society too.
 
2013-02-20 01:38:27 PM  
If you think Amsterdam's train station is bad, try taking it to Paris Nort.  That place is a horror show!!!

On a side note, I've spent probably 1 month total in Amsterdam.  I've never engaged the hookers but I do love walking the red light district and seeing them in the windows.  Its a gas.  Especially how they bring out the D-Team at about 10pm when the business men are all drunk.  See, the hot ones are out from like 5pm-10pm to entice you into thinking they ALL look like that, but no business men will do it with all their friends around.  Then, after a few hours and half a dozen pints, its time to spend that hundred euro.

Anyways.  I've gotten ASS lost in Amsterdam, at like 3 am, and aside from the canals, never felt unsafe.  My wife has spent the same amount of time with me in the Netherlands, exploring the city during the day while I was at work, and she's never complained.

Also, AFAIK, the dutch really don't partake in the drugs and prostitution that much.  If they smoke weed at a cafe, its just considered a normal thing, like going to a starbucks here.   Also, the dutch, aside from being tall and BEAUTIFUL people, are quite intelligent, with many of them speaking 4+ languages. (I get that this is a primarily European thing, but still)

I love it there and think they have the right idea about a lot of what they're doing.
 
2013-02-20 01:40:15 PM  
dk47:
Does grindr work for the straights?  Seriously.

Sure. If you are a straight guy I am sure you will have no problems finding other guys to have sex with on grindr.
 
2013-02-20 01:46:05 PM  

StanleyPuff: Heron: Andromeda: Oooooh boy.

American living in Amsterdam here (for 1.5 years now) and let me tell you, the city does not resemble what the article paints it like at all.  Only time I ever see prostitutes is if a friend is visiting and just HAS to see the Red Light District/ a Fark party.  Nor have I as a woman been accosted going home as the article says, or anything like that.

I further find it telling that this article doesn't say how much more prevalent human trafficking is in the Netherlands than in other countries.  I would be curious to hear if it's much higher as of the last 10 years or so.

Those opposed to legalized prostitution have always made their case by making unrealistic, sensational claims about it, and they're still doing that now. As actual academic studies show, most prostitution -even in the US where it's "illegal"- is consensual, pimpless, and typically a phase-of-life activity (meaning young people enter prostitution for extra money or curiosity, then leave it after a few years). Also noticeable in this article is the entire lack of any discussion of male-male homosexual prostitution which, again as academic studies consistently show, absolutely dwarfs the female-male side of the business. While trafficking and pimps do exist, they are a small part of sex-work, and one you can much more easily fight by bringing the industry out into the open and enforcing abuse/labor protection laws against those who assault and rip off prostitutes than by driving the entire industry back into the shadows.

I often wondered why a female prostitute would take on a pimp...especially after listening to Snoop Dogg on Howard Stern talk about the life*.  I guess I assumed that a pimp would scare a pimp-less girl into coming in under him by saying something akin to: "This is a nice store you got here.  It would be a shame for something to happen to it."

Since it sounds like you've done some reading on the subject that was supported by data and facts, perhaps you ...


Ok, a few points...

1. "Hos" aren't exactly the smartest people
2. If the pimp has the drug of choice for the "ho", then when she needs a fix, he has her under his pinky.  Really being a pimp is no different than being a drug dealer willing to trade sex for drugs.  Drugs seem to be the new currency for even normal girls at bars nowadays. "Got a gram of coke, pick up a slut".
3. The pimp can "theoretically" offer protection.  For escort jobs, he can send "Big Nig McSmashurFace" with the ho to the gig, and make sure the white boy pays up and gives a tip.
4. The pimp can offer a ho a place to live, no credit check needed.

In other words, pimps offer a very tenuous security to girls that earn and are easy to control.  And here again, this all relates back to point 1 above...
 
2013-02-20 01:46:33 PM  
cefm: "Lack of specifics, studies, numbers, etc. mean that it is just fluff.  Choosing a histrionic tone over substance is a poor trade-off. "

This.  Unsubstantiated judgement is unsubstantiated.
 
2013-02-20 01:48:46 PM  

uber humper: [i.imgur.com image 400x600]

Being about 25% Muslim, how liberal do you think the city will be in another 20 years? At that rate of growth, it won't belong until they have a majority in Amsterdam.

I for one...


Heard a sad story on NPR a while back. Apparently the rate of anti-gay violence has skyrocketed in the Netherlands, largely because of Muslim immigrants from North Africa and the Middle East.
 
2013-02-20 01:55:09 PM  
LOL wow, team Single-Dudes-On-Fark is out in force. I just got around to clicking Andromeda's profile and she's a cute girl.  Explains the damn near 40 responses she got.  hah.
 
2013-02-20 01:59:08 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Bastard Toadflax: Looks like the Dutch have lost their rudder.

what someone who lost their rudder may look like:
[images.hitfix.com image 326x217]


A gay dude?


/I keed, I keed
 
2013-02-20 02:02:23 PM  

Chach: Legalizing prostitution and drugs had made the Dutch so sophisticated and enlightened. Quick, let's strive to grow human trafficking and legalize these blights on human society too.


Driving has made America so sophisticated and enlightened.  Quick, let's strive to grow DUI/DWI and legalize this blight on human society too.
 
2013-02-20 02:07:59 PM  
Good to see that nobody takes this poorly written article serious. Well, except for the few who need crap like this to support their position, of course:

clane: Liberals are funny and sad at the same time...

randomsja: Shh, you don't want to shatter any silly delusions people have because they've learned to hate their own

country for some reason.

The only way you're going to have a country without any problems in it is if there are also no people in it.


kab: It's almost as if personal responsibility has a potential downside.

Thank god we're striving to simply do away with it here in the god-blessed USA.
 
2013-02-20 02:10:17 PM  
Because nothing like that happens here...
 
2013-02-20 02:10:29 PM  
Eh, I was in Holland two years ago for two weeks. It was lovely. Even most of Amsterdam is quite nice. There are far, far worse places in Europe.
 
2013-02-20 02:18:52 PM  

Lucidz: many of them speaking 4+ languages. (I get that this is a primarily European thing, but still)


Not quite, depending of course on what you'd call "many". The educated ones and/or those in the tourist industry speak English and sometimes 1 or 2 more languages, but a lot of Dutch people know only a bit of - rather crappy - English.

/their Dutch is also crappy, though
 
2013-02-20 02:30:27 PM  

uber humper: [i.imgur.com image 400x600]

Being about 25% Muslim, how liberal do you think the city will be in another 20 years? At that rate of growth, it won't belong until they have a majority in Amsterdam.

I for one...


Please! How about a NSFW tag for that picture! I think that I can see her eyes.
 
2013-02-20 02:32:19 PM  
Andromeda:
I have traveled as a backpacker to 50+ countries over the years, and the most curious thing for me was how in many countries people would ask first if I was a Canadian.  I'd say no, American, and ask if they were more common, and the answer was always universally "no, but the Canadians throw such hissy fits if we mistake them that it's better to assume everyone is one because Americans are nice and don't offend easily."

But then I've never met a Canadian who didn't have an urge to sew their flag on their bag, nor an American who had an urge to sew a Canadian one despite Canadians' insistence that this happens.  What can you do, eh?


I have met Americans who have done the flag sewing/pretending to be Canadian (and Canadians overcompensating). If you are going to a place like Cambodia or Laos, I can understand the reasoning. I mean, Americans bombed the shiat out of them for no reason other than they were near Vietnam. But if you are in Europe? fark off and accept you are an American. They won't spit on you.

Most American's I have met who have done this I have always thought "well, it is better you pretended to be Canadian as you kinda suck and America gets a bad enough rep as it is. The only person I know of who has done this in Europe that pissed me off is my wife's best friend. She didn't understand why I had such a problem with it. I put it bluntly as she is the person who should be representing the United States. She is culturally sensitive, quiet, observant, respectful, a genius (she helped build Ice Cube) and all around a great person. She is a boon to our image abroad.
 
2013-02-20 02:41:27 PM  

Ilmarinen: Lucidz: many of them speaking 4+ languages. (I get that this is a primarily European thing, but still)

Not quite, depending of course on what you'd call "many". The educated ones and/or those in the tourist industry speak English and sometimes 1 or 2 more languages, but a lot of Dutch people know only a bit of - rather crappy - English.

/their Dutch is also crappy, though


Well, FWIW, I worked at the RAI whenever I was there and stayed at that damn Novotel.  Hence, most of my time was spent in business districts, in the parks, etc. (Only some in red light)  That may have influenced my opinion.

/always caught a sex show while I was there
//they were always different, and always fun!
 
2013-02-20 02:45:09 PM  
Isn't Greece the Armpit of Europe?
 
2013-02-20 02:45:36 PM  

Wayne 985: uber humper: [i.imgur.com image 400x600]

Being about 25% Muslim, how liberal do you think the city will be in another 20 years? At that rate of growth, it won't belong until they have a majority in Amsterdam.

I for one...

Heard a sad story on NPR a while back. Apparently the rate of anti-gay violence has skyrocketed in the Netherlands, largely because of Muslim immigrants from North Africa and the Middle East.


And a Dutch politician advised orthodox Jews to move to the US or Israel.

/They can't say they weren't warned!
 
2013-02-20 02:46:50 PM  

Haoie: Isn't Greece the Armpit of Europe?


No, Greece is the bunghole. How would one fark an armpit?
 
2013-02-20 02:50:45 PM  

CygnusDarius: spawn73: Father_Jack: Arkanaut: Also, I thought the armpit of Europe is still Albania.

that would be the anus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria

What would you call Transnistria?

Perineum


Fitting :)
 
2013-02-20 02:53:00 PM  

Lucidz: LOL wow, team Single-Dudes-On-Fark is out in force. I just got around to clicking Andromeda's profile and she's a cute girl.  Explains the damn near 40 responses she got.  hah.


I'm sure Andromeda is still a dude.  Come on, Andromeda -- It makes sense to pretend to be a woman in Tech help forums, but to do it on Fark is just attention whoring.

Anyways, you can't spell Andromeda without 'Andro' (Greek prefix for male)
 
2013-02-20 02:54:54 PM  

Andromeda: But then I've never met a Canadian who didn't have an urge to sew their flag on their bag


I've noticed the same thing in both Asia and Europe. If you see somebody with a national flag sewn into their clothing, it is typically a Canadian flag. Nobody else seems to do it to the same degree.


Andromeda: "no, but the Canadians throw such hissy fits if we mistake them that it's better to assume everyone is one because Americans are nice and don't offend easily."


The weird thing is that most Canadians are laid back and a generally a pleasure to be around when you meet them in Canada or when traveling in the States. But for some reason, Canadians who travel elsewhere always seem to have a stick up their arse.

When I traveled to Taiwan to visit a friend, we hit a few expat bars. The Aussies, Kiwis, Brits and Yanks were generally fun to hang around. But everyone seemed to have a general dislike of the Canadians, especially when a Yank showed up. They'd often overcompensate or just start ragging on the States in front of everyone.


/the "Ugly American" thing has kinda died down in Europe
//they've redirected their ire at the Chinese
 
2013-02-20 02:58:08 PM  

dersk: uber humper: Bryntryst: "What American hipsters think of Holland Amsterdam: Weed, Hookers, perfect Utopia of freedom. What Holland really looks like: Underage runaways, Sex Trafficking, Forced prostitution, the knowledge that you've become the armpit of Europe"

FTFY, subby.

/lived in Landgraaf for three years.  An amazing country that I'd go back to in a heartbeat.

I literally thought the whole of Holland was Amsterdam.  I once got of the train in Rotterdam, thinking it was Amsterdam (because of the Zig Zag adverts)  and walked around for quite a while with the map of Amsterdam trying to get my bearings.

The country is the Netherlands, made up of 13 provinces which include North and South Holland. Amsterdam's in North Holland, The Hague and Rotterdam are South Holland.


Name all 13 provinces and you get a month's worth of TF.
 
2013-02-20 02:58:31 PM  

Andromeda: But then I've never met a Canadian who didn't have an urge to sew their flag on their bag


Scrotum damage trifecta in play.

/not about to do a GIS, thank you
 
2013-02-20 03:02:13 PM  
Sounds like the solution is for the rest of Europe to legalize prostitution as well. That way, Holland won't be the exclusive tourist destination for it anymore.
 
2013-02-20 03:02:41 PM  

DerAppie: Name all 13 provinces and you get a month's worth of TF.


you made a funny...;)
 
2013-02-20 03:04:22 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: DerAppie: Name all 13 provinces and you get a month's worth of TF.

you made a funny...;)


Swamp Germans can have a sense of humor, unlike the Highland Germans
 
2013-02-20 03:07:21 PM  

Virtuoso80: Sounds like the solution is for the rest of Europe to legalize prostitution as well. That way, Holland won't be the exclusive tourist destination for it anymore.


here in switzerland its been the same for a long time, except here you can be a hooker at 16 instead of 18. the more you know...
 
2013-02-20 03:08:15 PM  
I think Dutch sounds like an English-speaker pretending to speak German.
 
2013-02-20 03:10:02 PM  

HailRobonia: I think Dutch sounds like an English-speaker pretending to speak German.


agreed.

it makes sense, actually, when one views their location in relation to the linguistic solar systems they hit... they're at the outer rim of the german language, and at the outer rim of english english; would make sense their language would be a mixture of both but really not being a dialect of either.
 
2013-02-20 03:11:40 PM  

uber humper: Lucidz: LOL wow, team Single-Dudes-On-Fark is out in force. I just got around to clicking Andromeda's profile and she's a cute girl.  Explains the damn near 40 responses she got.  hah.

I'm sure Andromeda is still a dude.  Come on, Andromeda -- It makes sense to pretend to be a woman in Tech help forums, but to do it on Fark is just attention whoring.

Anyways, you can't spell Andromeda without 'Andro' (Greek prefix for male)


I'm pretty sure I'm a chick.  Sorry you're so insecure that you can't handle a woman who knows stuff.
 
2013-02-20 03:14:07 PM  

Andromeda: uber humper: Lucidz: LOL wow, team Single-Dudes-On-Fark is out in force. I just got around to clicking Andromeda's profile and she's a cute girl.  Explains the damn near 40 responses she got.  hah.

I'm sure Andromeda is still a dude.  Come on, Andromeda -- It makes sense to pretend to be a woman in Tech help forums, but to do it on Fark is just attention whoring.

Anyways, you can't spell Andromeda without 'Andro' (Greek prefix for male)

I'm pretty sure I'm a chick.  Sorry you're so insecure that you can't handle a woman who knows stuff.


Smart wimmins is scary!
 
2013-02-20 03:14:27 PM  

Father_Jack: HailRobonia: I think Dutch sounds like an English-speaker pretending to speak German.

agreed.

it makes sense, actually, when one views their location in relation to the linguistic solar systems they hit... they're at the outer rim of the german language, and at the outer rim of english english; would make sense their language would be a mixture of both but really not being a dialect of either.


Reminds me of a book I bought a few years back "Breaking the Language Code: German". There was a table in the back to translate words letter-by-letter,  i=e and so forth.  Wasn't that accurate but good illustration of how close the Germanic languages are.
 
2013-02-20 03:15:17 PM  

Father_Jack: Virtuoso80: Sounds like the solution is for the rest of Europe to legalize prostitution as well. That way, Holland won't be the exclusive tourist destination for it anymore.

here in switzerland its been the same for a long time, except here you can be a hooker at 16 instead of 18. the more you know...


Silly me just went back and read the TFA in it's entirety, and I realized there's an entirely different problem: The author has a severely biased agenda.

Prostitution has existed legally in many forms and in many periods of history. I don't see any reason why there should not be a feasible legal model that could work, or at least work somewhat better than the illegal model.
 
2013-02-20 03:15:39 PM  

Andromeda: uber humper: Lucidz: LOL wow, team Single-Dudes-On-Fark is out in force. I just got around to clicking Andromeda's profile and she's a cute girl.  Explains the damn near 40 responses she got.  hah.

I'm sure Andromeda is still a dude.  Come on, Andromeda -- It makes sense to pretend to be a woman in Tech help forums, but to do it on Fark is just attention whoring.

Anyways, you can't spell Andromeda without 'Andro' (Greek prefix for male)

I'm pretty sure I'm a chick.  Sorry you're so insecure that you can't handle a woman who knows stuff.


You just proved you are a chick. I believe you.
 
2013-02-20 03:17:08 PM  

Father_Jack: Virtuoso80: Sounds like the solution is for the rest of Europe to legalize prostitution as well. That way, Holland won't be the exclusive tourist destination for it anymore.

here in switzerland its been the same for a long time, except here you can be a hooker at 16 instead of 18. the more you know...


Dont forget about Germany and Greece. it is legal there too
 
2013-02-20 03:18:37 PM  

Father_Jack: HailRobonia: I think Dutch sounds like an English-speaker pretending to speak German.

agreed.

it makes sense, actually, when one views their location in relation to the linguistic solar systems they hit... they're at the outer rim of the german language, and at the outer rim of english english; would make sense their language would be a mixture of both but really not being a dialect of either.


Dutch is basically the bridge between English and German from what I've learned, but if you are keen on the language evolution type stuff look up Frisian, a language/dialect from northern parts of the Netherlands.  It's the closest language to English that isn't English- for example my friends who are from that part of the country read Beowulf just like we do because it's part of their linguistic heritage and all that.

"Rye bread, butter and green cheese is good English and good Fries!" (ie that sounds the same in both languages)
 
2013-02-20 03:19:07 PM  

Virtuoso80: Prostitution has existed legally in many forms and in many periods of history. I don't see any reason why there should not be a feasible legal model that could work, or at least work somewhat better than the illegal model.


There are some decent arguments against it (personally, I'm all for it). One argument is that legalization would not change the working conditions of the women.  The crack-whores would still be unemployable while the middle and upper echelons would still get away with it; an agency hooker would rarely be arrested. The crack-whrores should be arrested to save themselves from themselves.
 
2013-02-20 03:34:05 PM  
Remember, prostitution laws apply only to streetwalkers, the high end call girls and escorts servicing itinerant businessmen and politicians are exempt.

Also, for a domestic example of human trafficking, come visit NE 82nd Ave in Portland sometime (aka "The Avenue of Roses", as in 20 roses for a beej, 100 roses for a half-n-half ...
 
2013-02-20 03:37:14 PM  

fredbox: Remember, prostitution laws apply only to streetwalkers, the high end call girls and escorts servicing itinerant businessmen and politicians are exempt.

Also, for a domestic example of human trafficking, come visit NE 82nd Ave in Portland sometime (aka "The Avenue of Roses", as in 20 roses for a beej, 100 roses for a half-n-half ...


That's what makes pimpin' so hard, Jack. Now, get off
 
2013-02-20 03:41:37 PM  

uber humper: fredbox: Remember, prostitution laws apply only to streetwalkers, the high end call girls and escorts servicing itinerant businessmen and politicians are exempt.

Also, for a domestic example of human trafficking, come visit NE 82nd Ave in Portland sometime (aka "The Avenue of Roses", as in 20 roses for a beej, 100 roses for a half-n-half ...

That's what makes pimpin' so hard, Jack. Now, get off


Uh you had me (scared) at "come visit NE Portland"  I didn't go SE or NE ever if I could help it.  And how does The avenue of roses compare with good ole sandy blvd?
 
2013-02-20 03:41:54 PM  

Vodka Zombie: cman: Oh, the Netherlands, how I hate ye.

Your language sounds like a girl speaking English with her mouth occupied by a certain male sexual organ

I lived in Eindhoven for three years.  Wonderful place if you're not so petty or childish as to hate an entire nation for the language they speak.


But he is childish.
 
2013-02-20 03:42:24 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: Well my friend did get his hat stolen at gunpoint in the red light district late at night the first time I was there. I would still move there in a second if I could find a job, that place is awesome and even though he got robbed I didn't really feel unsafe at all.


When I went, my host (a Dutch woman who'd lived in the US for a decade before going back) told me to keep everything close to me, locked up, and carry a wallet chain and constantly be aware of everything, because her iPhone and half her stuff had just been stolen.

....It turned out that her backpack had slipped off of her bike about halfway to work, and when she turned around and found the remains a half hour later her stuff had been sifted through. Gee, that makes it all sound so dangerous.
 
2013-02-20 03:49:12 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: DerAppie: Name all 13 provinces and you get a month's worth of TF.

you made a funny...;)


Sure did.
 
2013-02-20 03:52:59 PM  
I lived in Utrecht, about 20 min by train, from Amsterdam, for a little over two years until recently. Weekends about once every month or every two months to Amsterdam to drink with friends. Went through the red light districts once or twice for the fun of it, but never tried them out. It did feel a bit like a meat market.

There were some interesting characters hanging around, but the biggest problem I ever saw was large groups, of no smaller than 10, British teenagers/20-somethings drunk as hell walking around.

I was told by some of my Dutch colleagues that there was a feeling in the nation that the police were ignoring some of the larger issues, and would often go after small time offenders because they wouldn't fight back. Which, I guess, sadly, isn't too much of a surprise when talking about cops.
 
2013-02-20 03:54:02 PM  

Bastard Toadflax: Looks like the Dutch have lost their rudder.


I'd schooner be Dutch,
But not by mutch.
 
2013-02-20 03:56:58 PM  

Dinjiin: I visited Amsterdam a couple years ago with a friend.  Most of the prostitutes in windows appeared to be eastern European or African.  Most of the guards and pimps appeared to be Russian.  My friend noted that it was a huge change from when they were there a decade before, when most of the women were Dutch and the pimps were less visible.

Sounds as if the Dutch authorities simply failed to enforce the laws they had on the books, which resulted in an uptick in tax evasion, undocumented/ineligible workers, assaults and organized crime.  So instead of spending the time and effort to clean up the system, they're going to try and shut the whole thing down.  As if that is going to work.


Last year I only saw that in the unsavory areas to the immediate south of Centraal, around the back side of Oide Kirk, and I'm sure that's where you could score all the trafficked gals and illegal drugs you wanted. On the canal side of the entire De Wallen area it appeared to be almost exclusively Dutch and some Eastern European women, as far as I could tell, and the other red light areas were purely Dutch to my eye. Maybe they've already been doing a better job of cleaning up; as someone posted, quite a few illegal brothels have been shut down.
 
2013-02-20 04:11:05 PM  

Andromeda: Oooooh boy.

American living in Amsterdam here (for 1.5 years now) and let me tell you, the city does not resemble what the article paints it like at all.  Only time I ever see prostitutes is if a friend is visiting and just HAS to see the Red Light District/ a Fark party.  Nor have I as a woman been accosted going home as the article says, or anything like that.

I further find it telling that this article doesn't say how much more prevalent human trafficking is in the Netherlands than in other countries.  I would be curious to hear if it's much higher as of the last 10 years or so.


I used to live in Germany, and we'd drive up to Amsterdam on long weekends.  Once you've seen the Red Light District, the novelty wears off pretty quick.   You can't really stick an underage hooker in one of the brothel windows and not have someone question it.  The legal hookers all seemed highly educated and at least multi-lingual.  Most could switch from English to German to Dutch talking to prospective johns with ease, and many were studying college textbooks between clients.
 
2013-02-20 04:20:47 PM  

grokca: Vodka Zombie: cman: Oh, the Netherlands, how I hate ye.

Your language sounds like a girl speaking English with her mouth occupied by a certain male sexual organ

I lived in Eindhoven for three years.  Wonderful place if you're not so petty or childish as to hate an entire nation for the language they speak.

Ah, Stratumseind, I lost a lot of braincells there.

Who knew that the Dutch started this whole exploitation of other people thing?


images.zap2it.com
 
2013-02-20 04:23:01 PM  

dk47: TheLopper: I spent some time in Amsterdam in the 90s. I thought it was very pretty and the people were very nice. Though I didn't purchase any fresh human-trafficked underage prostitutes. It wasn't in the brochure.

One of the most scared I have been in all my travels through first and third worlds is standing in front of the train station in Amsterdam.  Truly a hive of scum and villany.


The first time I walked out of Centraal Station I was a bit overwhelmed too but It's the Brits outside the Old Sailor and other pubs on Friday and Saturday nights around closing time that should scare you. They're the only ones I've ever seen get violent with anyone and they truly enjoy it. I think a lot of the people here bashing American tourists are confusing them with the Brits.

Even the drug dealers at the bridges and the dark recesses of the Wallen and the Singel RLD's will only rip you off, not hurt you....at least so far anyway.
 
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