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(The Spectator UK)   What American hipsters think of Holland: weed, hookers, perfect Utopia of freedom. What Holland really looks like: underage runaways, sex trafficking, forced prostitution, the knowledge that you've become the armpit of Europe   (spectator.co.uk) divider line 389
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2013-02-20 12:12:24 PM  

FauxReal: Remember, paying for sex is illegal... Unless you're filming it for later distribution.


ahhh/..... but you cant actually be one of the stars if you are the one paying
 
2013-02-20 12:13:09 PM  

scumshine: Holland is a great place. I try to avoid American stoner tourists when I vist there - most of them act like farking assholes. Try getting out of Amsterdam, Holland is a fantastic place to explore and the people are nice.

Anyhoo, beats hell out of France.


Weird we had good experiences with other Americans while over there, it was Brits and Canadians who were issues. Almost got in a fight with Canadian douches after oogling the GFs cleavage and trying to whisper lewd comments while drunk.

Oh we also loved Paris, we are strange Americans I guess..
.
 
2013-02-20 12:13:18 PM  

uber humper: dersk: uber humper: Bryntryst: "What American hipsters think of Holland Amsterdam: Weed, Hookers, perfect Utopia of freedom. What Holland really looks like: Underage runaways, Sex Trafficking, Forced prostitution, the knowledge that you've become the armpit of Europe"

FTFY, subby.

/lived in Landgraaf for three years.  An amazing country that I'd go back to in a heartbeat.

I literally thought the whole of Holland was Amsterdam.  I once got of the train in Rotterdam, thinking it was Amsterdam (because of the Zig Zag adverts)  and walked around for quite a while with the map of Amsterdam trying to get my bearings.

The country is the Netherlands, made up of 13 provinces which include North and South Holland. Amsterdam's in North Holland, The Hague and Rotterdam are South Holland.

I realize that, I was 20 y/o and very dumb.

But to be fair, The Netherlands is about the size of Connecticut -- North/South, what's the difference.


And, to be fair, the Dutch quite often refer to the country in English as Holland. The size of the country is one of the great things - you travel a lot further in smaller distances.
 
2013-02-20 12:14:30 PM  

theflatline: scumshine: Holland is a great place. I try to avoid American stoner tourists when I vist there - most of them act like farking assholes. Try getting out of Amsterdam, Holland is a fantastic place to explore and the people are nice.

Anyhoo, beats hell out of France.

The worst tourists in my experience are not americans.

2. Canadians they always say "hi i am canadian, not american" and annoyingly refer to americans as yanks, they get drunk and unruly, or just do something assholeish and say "its cool dude, I am canadian".


I would have to agree with you there. I notice more Canadians doing silly stuff when I travel than Americans... However, I do disagree with your contention that everytime they do something assholeish, the say they are Canadian... We have learned to just blame it on you Americans. No one outside North America can really tell the difference!
 
2013-02-20 12:15:29 PM  

Fritriac: TFA: "You've reached your limit of free Spectator articles for this month"


Me too, which is BS. I never read the Spectator.
 
2013-02-20 12:17:48 PM  

dk47: TheLopper: I spent some time in Amsterdam in the 90s. I thought it was very pretty and the people were very nice. Though I didn't purchase any fresh human-trafficked underage prostitutes. It wasn't in the brochure.

One of the most scared I have been in all my travels through first and third worlds is standing in front of the train station in Amsterdam.  Truly a hive of scum and villany.


You see, I find this fascinating because I've heard this from many people, and they must have really cleaned up the train station area in the past few years because it's always been perfectly fine and neat with a couple cops around.  And I go through there every day when it's raining because I'm not Dutch enough to cycle to work in the rain, so it comes out to quite often.
 
2013-02-20 12:17:56 PM  

Andromeda: More local beers in the most beautiful city in the world for us!


Can you still buy it in a movie theater?

/in a glass?
 
2013-02-20 12:18:15 PM  

Dinjiin: It might be against EU law, but the first thing I'd do is prohibit any workers who weren't born in the Netherlands.


Why do you hate immigrants? They're just doing jobs Dutch citizens don't want to do!
 
2013-02-20 12:18:43 PM  
Late to the party, has anyone mentioned, "Well the world needs Dutch diggers too!"?
 
2013-02-20 12:19:52 PM  

MBooda: Andromeda: More local beers in the most beautiful city in the world for us!

Can you still buy it in a movie theater?

/in a glass?


Glass bottle.  Does that count?
 
2013-02-20 12:21:06 PM  

steamingpile: scumshine: Holland is a great place. I try to avoid American stoner tourists when I vist there - most of them act like farking assholes. Try getting out of Amsterdam, Holland is a fantastic place to explore and the people are nice.

Anyhoo, beats hell out of France.

Weird we had good experiences with other Americans while over there, it was Brits and Canadians who were issues. Almost got in a fight with Canadian douches after oogling the GFs cleavage and trying to whisper lewd comments while drunk.

Oh we also loved Paris, we are strange Americans I guess..
.


I was sitting in a bar with my wife after we had go to dinner, and she was all dolled up and these two Canadians were talking loudly in english "dude that biatch is hot, man i would love to fark that, and did you see her perky titties, i am so gonna make a move on that."

When I said loudly in English "ahem, thanks for the compliments boys, but last time I checked I speak English, and that a wedding ring is a wedding ring in any country."

They moved on but had the unfortunate luck that the next girls guy was a member of the IDF on leave...
 
2013-02-20 12:21:14 PM  

InmanRoshi: andersoncouncil42: I'm utterly shocked that an article by the Spectator bares no resemblance to reality, shocked. Bullshiat article by a conservative rag. The people that could believe this crap are those who have never been and have the mentality of a timid sheep.

Yeah, Ugly American article written by an Ugly American magazine written for an  Ugly American audience who believe a night at On the Border for fajitas and margaritas constitutes experiencing an exotic culture.


Yeah, The Spectator is a British magazine. I had never heard of it before but could tell it was written by a British person by the language used, in the US a prostitute's costumer is a "John" this man refers to them as "punters." Also a simple google search shows they proudly refer to themselves as the longest running magazine in the UK.

Irrationally hate Americans much?
 
2013-02-20 12:22:57 PM  

ghostwind: theflatline: scumshine: Holland is a great place. I try to avoid American stoner tourists when I vist there - most of them act like farking assholes. Try getting out of Amsterdam, Holland is a fantastic place to explore and the people are nice.

Anyhoo, beats hell out of France.

The worst tourists in my experience are not americans.

2. Canadians they always say "hi i am canadian, not american" and annoyingly refer to americans as yanks, they get drunk and unruly, or just do something assholeish and say "its cool dude, I am canadian".

I would have to agree with you there. I notice more Canadians doing silly stuff when I travel than Americans... However, I do disagree with your contention that everytime they do something assholeish, the say they are Canadian... We have learned to just blame it on you Americans. No one outside North America can really tell the difference!


I have traveled as a backpacker to 50+ countries over the years, and the most curious thing for me was how in many countries people would ask first if I was a Canadian.  I'd say no, American, and ask if they were more common, and the answer was always universally "no, but the Canadians throw such hissy fits if we mistake them that it's better to assume everyone is one because Americans are nice and don't offend easily."

But then I've never met a Canadian who didn't have an urge to sew their flag on their bag, nor an American who had an urge to sew a Canadian one despite Canadians' insistence that this happens.  What can you do, eh?
 
2013-02-20 12:23:08 PM  

doglover: I'm pretty sure you can find sex slaves in America. Underage hookers as well. Not to mention the gun violence. Europe's not much better. And I don't care HOW nice Germany gets, you don't get a free pass for fueling the two largest wars in history in a mere century just because your economy looks good now.

Glass houses, etc.


80% of Germans are under age 65, meaning they were born after the last world war. I think it's fair to give them a pass on fueling the two largest wars in history.
 
2013-02-20 12:26:12 PM  

doczoidberg: clane: Liberals are funny and sad at the same time...
[pnsexplosion.com image 600x450]


I just glanced at your profile.

You seem a bit obsessed with something.



Self-loathing is a terrible thing.
 
2013-02-20 12:26:59 PM  

Andromeda: dk47: TheLopper: I spent some time in Amsterdam in the 90s. I thought it was very pretty and the people were very nice. Though I didn't purchase any fresh human-trafficked underage prostitutes. It wasn't in the brochure.

One of the most scared I have been in all my travels through first and third worlds is standing in front of the train station in Amsterdam.  Truly a hive of scum and villany.

You see, I find this fascinating because I've heard this from many people, and they must have really cleaned up the train station area in the past few years because it's always been perfectly fine and neat with a couple cops around.  And I go through there every day when it's raining because I'm not Dutch enough to cycle to work in the rain, so it comes out to quite often.


It's not paritcularly different than it was when I moved here in '94. I think maybe it's people who fly into Schiphol and take the train, so it's their first actual step in Europe? I mean, there used to be some junkies hanging around, but they weren't aggressive at all. Back in the 80s, they used to have problems with hotel touts and that sort of thing, but nowhere near as sketchy as plenty of other stations I've been in.
 
2013-02-20 12:27:07 PM  

Andromeda: ghostwind: theflatline: scumshine: Holland is a great place. I try to avoid American stoner tourists when I vist there - most of them act like farking assholes. Try getting out of Amsterdam, Holland is a fantastic place to explore and the people are nice.

Anyhoo, beats hell out of France.

The worst tourists in my experience are not americans.

2. Canadians they always say "hi i am canadian, not american" and annoyingly refer to americans as yanks, they get drunk and unruly, or just do something assholeish and say "its cool dude, I am canadian".

I would have to agree with you there. I notice more Canadians doing silly stuff when I travel than Americans... However, I do disagree with your contention that everytime they do something assholeish, the say they are Canadian... We have learned to just blame it on you Americans. No one outside North America can really tell the difference!

I have traveled as a backpacker to 50+ countries over the years, and the most curious thing for me was how in many countries people would ask first if I was a Canadian.  I'd say no, American, and ask if they were more common, and the answer was always universally "no, but the Canadians throw such hissy fits if we mistake them that it's better to assume everyone is one because Americans are nice and don't offend easily."

But then I've never met a Canadian who didn't have an urge to sew their flag on their bag, nor an American who had an urge to sew a Canadian one despite Canadians' insistence that this happens.  What can you do, eh?


At last Americans and Canadians agreeing with me.  I have a buddy who has owned a little jazz bar in Colombia for 20 years, and he says most of his bar fights have been due to Canucks.
 
2013-02-20 12:28:38 PM  

Karac: gilgigamesh: The thing of it is, Vegas was able to legalize the sex trade without all these problems. As far as I know.

Prostitition is not legal in Las Vegas. Nevada laws on the matter differ from county to county; the ones which contain Vegas, Reno, and the majority of the population in the state do not allow it.

If fly to Vegas for the weekend and want to find a legal whore, you're going to need to rent a car, get directions, and drive for at least a half hour. If you want to do the same in Amsterdam, all you probably have to do is get on the subway.


Technically you are correct. But in reality, it is not enforced to the degree it is in other cities. You know what the difference is between a stripper and a hooker in Vegas? Money and whether or not you want to end the night with blue balls.
 
2013-02-20 12:29:26 PM  

CitizenTed: . But ever since then, the "generalization" section of my brain has a low opinion of Israeli tourists. And Chinese tourists. But not the Dutch.


For me it's Germans.  I went on my honeymoon in Tunisia, and the resort was popular with Germans for some reason.  They would sneak down en masse at 6am and lay towels on most of the beach chairs, which I guess is Teutonic code for "Ja, mein herr, zis cher est mine for ze whole day!".  And then at 5pm, some sort of bell rang and they all bolted for the buffet and massacred all the good items.  Never again if I can avoid it.
 
2013-02-20 12:31:06 PM  

Cymbal: Karac: gilgigamesh: The thing of it is, Vegas was able to legalize the sex trade without all these problems. As far as I know.

Prostitition is not legal in Las Vegas. Nevada laws on the matter differ from county to county; the ones which contain Vegas, Reno, and the majority of the population in the state do not allow it.

If fly to Vegas for the weekend and want to find a legal whore, you're going to need to rent a car, get directions, and drive for at least a half hour. If you want to do the same in Amsterdam, all you probably have to do is get on the subway.

Technically you are correct. But in reality, it is not enforced to the degree it is in other cities. You know what the difference is between a stripper and a hooker in Vegas? Money and whether or not you want to end the night with blue balls.


To be honest, I don't know where you'd look for street hookers in Amsterdam - I can't recall ever seeing any (I think Rotterdam has more of them). I know where the three red light districts are, though.
 
2013-02-20 12:32:01 PM  

Snarfangel: schoolbread: Citrate1007: The Super Bowl is an event that creates the #1 highest concentration of illegal prostitution in the world.  So ya, Fark the Dutch.....

So that cancels out all of the Holland-fail? Thanks for clearing that up.

No, he is saying that the Superbowl should be held in Holland.


Or Vegas.
 
2013-02-20 12:32:09 PM  

SpectroBoy: the food was good


SRSLY????

I have eaten many a meal with quite a few Dutch-Canadian families.
They murder food!
Their cuisine is right on par with Scottish cuisine; based on a dare!
*shuddering at the memories*


/RIP Sandy
 
2013-02-20 12:33:32 PM  

poot42: SpectroBoy: the food was good

SRSLY????

I have eaten many a meal with quite a few Dutch-Canadian families.
They murder food!
Their cuisine is right on par with Scottish cuisine; based on a dare!
*shuddering at the memories*

/RIP Sandy


Here in Amsterdam, anyway, you can find great food. Real Dutch food is farmer food, but Amsterdam is over 50% immigrant or first generation, so you get lots of good stuff.
 
2013-02-20 12:34:09 PM  

theflatline: 1. Israelis, in groups of 1-2 they are fine, but anything more they reach critical mass and become drunken unruly louts, and unfortunately krav maga is always involved.
2. Canadians they always say "hi i am canadian, not american" and annoyingly refer to americans as yanks, they get drunk and unruly, or just do something assholeish and say "its cool dude, I am canadian".
3. Spaniards - they think everyone in latin america are inferior creatures but love banging the women there.


Number 1 is spot on.
 
2013-02-20 12:35:32 PM  

gilgigamesh: Vodka Zombie: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: But yeah, forced/underaged prostitution is awful too. DNRTFA, but I thought that place was pretty tightly regulated.

It is.  I think people are taking a lot of the really bad things about Copenhagen, Denmark, and trying to apply it to Amsterdam in an attempt to disparage an entire country.

Perhaps.  The article is pretty light on facts.

The thing of it is, Vegas was able to legalize the sex trade without all these problems.  As far as I know.


The problem isn't for the Dutch girls, they're fine. The problem is with the African and Asian girls who come to the Netherlands through human trafficing. They're there illegal, and in debt to the people who got them there. Their families might be in jeopardy back at home as well.

But for the Dutch girls, yeah, that's all nice and cosy for them.
 
2013-02-20 12:35:38 PM  
I have been to Holland 3 or 4 times for work.  It's somewhat nice, the people are somewhat nice too (mixed bad like the US).  I only went to Amsterdam twice and it seemed like any other big city, except for all the damn bikes.
 
2013-02-20 12:36:46 PM  
No, submitter is wrong. Prostitution is awesome. Empowering for women and convenient for men.

I know the hookers I see always look really empowered. You can tell by the way they stand around and then lean over while talking to people in cars.
 
2013-02-20 12:37:04 PM  

dersk: poot42: SpectroBoy: the food was good

SRSLY????

I have eaten many a meal with quite a few Dutch-Canadian families.
They murder food!
Their cuisine is right on par with Scottish cuisine; based on a dare!
*shuddering at the memories*

/RIP Sandy

Here in Amsterdam, anyway, you can find great food. Real Dutch food is farmer food, but Amsterdam is over 50% immigrant or first generation, so you get lots of good stuff.


Totally agree.  I mean my university canteen (ie cafeteria) is godawful and makes me cry so I bring in my lunch every day, but tonight I'm contemplating if I want sushi or authentic Hungarian goulash for my takeaway food.  You can certainly eat better international cuisine here than many other places.
 
2013-02-20 12:37:46 PM  
brantgoose: H31N0US: I have fallen behind. Which side of the aisle bankrolls The Spectator?

Any hoo, like the neo-cons, the people who write for and read The Spectator are further to the right than The American Spectator.


stevetherobot:I looked up the author and she's a lesbian feminist who believes marriage should be abolished. That doesn't sound very far right.All depends where you are on the polictical spectrum dunnit? If you were far enough to the left you might find lesbians intrinsically reactionary. Mind you some extreme leftists are so bigoted and intolerant they're indistinguishable from nazis, but there you go.
 
2013-02-20 12:38:37 PM  

dersk: Andromeda: dk47: TheLopper: I spent some time in Amsterdam in the 90s. I thought it was very pretty and the people were very nice. Though I didn't purchase any fresh human-trafficked underage prostitutes. It wasn't in the brochure.

One of the most scared I have been in all my travels through first and third worlds is standing in front of the train station in Amsterdam.  Truly a hive of scum and villany.

You see, I find this fascinating because I've heard this from many people, and they must have really cleaned up the train station area in the past few years because it's always been perfectly fine and neat with a couple cops around.  And I go through there every day when it's raining because I'm not Dutch enough to cycle to work in the rain, so it comes out to quite often.

It's not paritcularly different than it was when I moved here in '94. I think maybe it's people who fly into Schiphol and take the train, so it's their first actual step in Europe? I mean, there used to be some junkies hanging around, but they weren't aggressive at all. Back in the 80s, they used to have problems with hotel touts and that sort of thing, but nowhere near as sketchy as plenty of other stations I've been in.


Well this theory doesn't apply to me.  I just remember a ton of sketchy people hanging around and getting accosted.  I usually don't feel as completely and totally a mark as I did then.  Maybe it was the reefer.
 
2013-02-20 12:42:19 PM  

doczoidberg: clane: Liberals are funny and sad at the same time...
[pnsexplosion.com image 600x450]


I just glanced at your profile.

You seem a bit obsessed with something.


He/she/it should just replace their entire profile with this:
img717.imageshack.us
 
2013-02-20 12:42:21 PM  
My boss and I took a walking tour of the Red Light District (just walking, mind you) that was given by a former prostitute. Several salient points- after doing the math, each window hooker has to have about 25 clients per 10 hour shift to pay rent and be profitable. There is also no mandatory VD testing. The guide explained that being sick was 'bad for business' and that clients can tell when the hooker is diseased. All morality aside, there is no way I'd ever use their services.

Outside of the Red Light District I found Amsterdam to be pleasant and clean. I hate the damn bikes there though.
 
2013-02-20 12:43:59 PM  

Father_Jack: Arkanaut: Also, I thought the armpit of Europe is still Albania.

that would be the anus.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria

What would you call Transnistria?
 
2013-02-20 12:46:50 PM  

gilgigamesh: Vodka Zombie: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: But yeah, forced/underaged prostitution is awful too. DNRTFA, but I thought that place was pretty tightly regulated.

It is.  I think people are taking a lot of the really bad things about Copenhagen, Denmark, and trying to apply it to Amsterdam in an attempt to disparage an entire country.

Perhaps.  The article is pretty light on facts.

The thing of it is, Vegas was able to legalize the sex trade without all these problems.  As far as I know.


Prostitution isn't  legal in Vegas.
 
2013-02-20 12:50:07 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: RidgeRacerZX6: Their cops really are more public servant than enforcer. I remember once we were visiting my bother in law in some college town up north were they had a real problem with jay walkers and people disregarding the ped crossings at intersections. So the cops disabled all the crossing lights until the populace beg the police to turn them back on and promised to be good little pedestrians.

Huh.  I would think that only the law-abiding citizens would beg.


I think it became kind of a peer pressure thing where those who wanted the lights started calling out and shaming the jay walkers at intersections instead of ignoring them.
 
2013-02-20 12:52:07 PM  
The Six Flags in Holland is awesome
 
2013-02-20 12:54:34 PM  

clane: Liberals are funny and sad at the same time...
[pnsexplosion.com image 600x450]


By the way, your first example of "feminized America" in your profile is Canadian...


And you forgot to add this to your profile too!

www.wildplanetfoods.com
 
2013-02-20 12:57:03 PM  
I though the Netherlands were lovely. There were no more junkies/hookers/problems there than I have seen elsewhere.
 
2013-02-20 12:59:03 PM  

Heron: Andromeda: Oooooh boy.

American living in Amsterdam here (for 1.5 years now) and let me tell you, the city does not resemble what the article paints it like at all.  Only time I ever see prostitutes is if a friend is visiting and just HAS to see the Red Light District/ a Fark party.  Nor have I as a woman been accosted going home as the article says, or anything like that.

I further find it telling that this article doesn't say how much more prevalent human trafficking is in the Netherlands than in other countries.  I would be curious to hear if it's much higher as of the last 10 years or so.

Those opposed to legalized prostitution have always made their case by making unrealistic, sensational claims about it, and they're still doing that now. As actual academic studies show, most prostitution -even in the US where it's "illegal"- is consensual, pimpless, and typically a phase-of-life activity (meaning young people enter prostitution for extra money or curiosity, then leave it after a few years). Also noticeable in this article is the entire lack of any discussion of male-male homosexual prostitution which, again as academic studies consistently show, absolutely dwarfs the female-male side of the business. While trafficking and pimps do exist, they are a small part of sex-work, and one you can much more easily fight by bringing the industry out into the open and enforcing abuse/labor protection laws against those who assault and rip off prostitutes than by driving the entire industry back into the shadows.


I often wondered why a female prostitute would take on a pimp...especially after listening to Snoop Dogg on Howard Stern talk about the life*.  I guess I assumed that a pimp would scare a pimp-less girl into coming in under him by saying something akin to: "This is a nice store you got here.  It would be a shame for something to happen to it."

Since it sounds like you've done some reading on the subject that was supported by data and facts, perhaps you could enlighten me a bit?

*I'm aware that Snoop is a sensationalist but I have to assume that to a degree, he is telling the truth.
 
2013-02-20 12:59:19 PM  

CheatCommando: Vodka Zombie: Wonderful place if you're not so petty or childish as to hate an entire nation for the language they speak.

In other words, wonderful place unless you are a typical American.


I don't think the typical American spends much time hating other nations for the language they speak. People seem to vastly overestimate the global consciousness of the average American. I think Americans spend a lot more time hating each other than say a random European country. Also, the US is a very large country that is both geographically and culturally diverse, sweeping statements about the average American always seem a bit silly. I am not a rah-rah USA type of person at all, but I find other nationalities often have this weird composite view of the "average American" that makes no sense.

Anyhow, my sister married a Dutchman and lives in Eindhoven quite happily. I hope to visit soon.
 
2013-02-20 01:00:16 PM  
 
2013-02-20 01:03:33 PM  

clane: doczoidberg:

I just glanced at your profile.

You seem a bit obsessed with something.

clane:
OMG, LMAO, your brilliant!


Anyone got some eye bleach? I just looked at clane's profile too. Is that what a troll's home looks like? Sort of like neo-con contemporary.
 
2013-02-20 01:04:03 PM  

theflatline: They sent me to Mexico City for two weeks and man that place was rough, and this is coming from a guy who has seen the seamy underbelly of Colombia


The wife did summer abroad for Law School in Mexico City she loved it. But then and again she is over 40 and not looking for Donkey shows or someones Seester
 
2013-02-20 01:04:38 PM  

spawn73: Father_Jack: Arkanaut: Also, I thought the armpit of Europe is still Albania.

that would be the anus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria

What would you call Transnistria?


Perineum
 
2013-02-20 01:05:44 PM  

Azlefty: theflatline: They sent me to Mexico City for two weeks and man that place was rough, and this is coming from a guy who has seen the seamy underbelly of Colombia

The wife did summer abroad for Law School in Mexico City she loved it. But then and again she is over 40 and not looking for Donkey shows or someones Seester


That's planet Tijuana.

/I call it planet Tijuana because whatever happens to the rest of Mexico, Tijuana is going through the exact opposite
 
2013-02-20 01:07:48 PM  

theflatline: Andromeda: ghostwind: theflatline: scumshine: Holland is a great place. I try to avoid American stoner tourists when I vist there - most of them act like farking assholes. Try getting out of Amsterdam, Holland is a fantastic place to explore and the people are nice.

Anyhoo, beats hell out of France.

The worst tourists in my experience are not americans.

2. Canadians they always say "hi i am canadian, not american" and annoyingly refer to americans as yanks, they get drunk and unruly, or just do something assholeish and say "its cool dude, I am canadian".

I would have to agree with you there. I notice more Canadians doing silly stuff when I travel than Americans... However, I do disagree with your contention that everytime they do something assholeish, the say they are Canadian... We have learned to just blame it on you Americans. No one outside North America can really tell the difference!

I have traveled as a backpacker to 50+ countries over the years, and the most curious thing for me was how in many countries people would ask first if I was a Canadian.  I'd say no, American, and ask if they were more common, and the answer was always universally "no, but the Canadians throw such hissy fits if we mistake them that it's better to assume everyone is one because Americans are nice and don't offend easily."

But then I've never met a Canadian who didn't have an urge to sew their flag on their bag, nor an American who had an urge to sew a Canadian one despite Canadians' insistence that this happens.  What can you do, eh?

At last Americans and Canadians agreeing with me.  I have a buddy who has owned a little jazz bar in Colombia for 20 years, and he says most of his bar fights have been due to Canucks.


to be frank, I used to sew a small Canadian flag on my backpack when I was younger. Now I am just happy to fit in where ever I am.
 
2013-02-20 01:22:36 PM  

Andromeda: Oooooh boy.

American living in Amsterdam here (for 1.5 years now) and let me tell you, the city does not resemble what the article paints it like at all.  Only time I ever see prostitutes is if a friend is visiting and just HAS to see the Red Light District/ a Fark party.  Nor have I as a woman been accosted going home as the article says, or anything like that.

I further find it telling that this article doesn't say how much more prevalent human trafficking is in the Netherlands than in other countries.  I would be curious to hear if it's much higher as of the last 10 years or so.


*Checks profile*

You are a cool person, and I wish to have your life.
 
2013-02-20 01:22:51 PM  
Wish the writer would stop sugar coating it and tell us what he really thinks.
 
2013-02-20 01:23:42 PM  
Subby is a douchebag. It isn't the American tourists ruining Holland, it's the British.

Plus how bad was it when things were illegal? Did the Dutch just think to themselves...'gee, let's make a bad situation worse'?
 
2013-02-20 01:32:04 PM  

Richard Sauce: diverse, sweeping statements about the average American always seem a bit silly.


Gee. A silly comment on Fark? Quelle horreur!
 
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