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(The Spectator UK)   What American hipsters think of Holland: weed, hookers, perfect Utopia of freedom. What Holland really looks like: underage runaways, sex trafficking, forced prostitution, the knowledge that you've become the armpit of Europe   (spectator.co.uk) divider line 389
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2013-02-20 10:41:34 AM

scumshine: Holland is a great place. I try to avoid American stoner tourists when I vist there - most of them act like farking assholes. Try getting out of Amsterdam, Holland is a fantastic place to explore and the people are nice.

Anyhoo, beats hell out of France.


The worst tourists in my experience are not americans.

1. Israelis, in groups of 1-2 they are fine, but anything more they reach critical mass and become drunken unruly louts, and unfortunately krav maga is always involved.
2. Canadians they always say "hi i am canadian, not american" and annoyingly refer to americans as yanks, they get drunk and unruly, or just do something assholeish and say "its cool dude, I am canadian".
3. Spaniards - they think everyone in latin america are inferior creatures but love banging the women there.
 
2013-02-20 10:41:58 AM
The Dutch wrote their prostitution laws back when the Iron Curtain was up.

Now it's down, and there's lots of trafficking.

So the Dutch are revising their laws.

*yawn*

Does this really surprise anyone? They have no ideological attachment to legalized prostitution.
 
2013-02-20 10:42:23 AM

theflatline: Andromeda: Oooooh boy.

American living in Amsterdam here (for 1.5 years now) and let me tell you, the city does not resemble what the article paints it like at all.  Only time I ever see prostitutes is if a friend is visiting and just HAS to see the Red Light District/ a Fark party.  Nor have I as a woman been accosted going home as the article says, or anything like that.

I further find it telling that this article doesn't say how much more prevalent human trafficking is in the Netherlands than in other countries.  I would be curious to hear if it's much higher as of the last 10 years or so.

I am sure all of that exists, you just do not run around where those actions occur.

I have lived on and off in Colombia over 20 years and there are plenty of Americans and Europeans living there now and they go native and say things like "Cocaine, hookers, kidnappings do not exist, I do not know what Colombia you live in, but not mine!"

Because they stay in their homes, and only venture out to places that their Colombian wives let them go, and usually only with family members and friends.

Plus the locals tend to put on their best behavior for not natives.

I on the other hand as a Colombian/American will say "what about  the four whore houses around the corner from the church?  the cabbie who just tried to sell me an eightball, and the lady with the photo book full of 15 year old hookers?" and the response is always "well, uh, you must be making that up!"

I have been to Amsterdam and thought it was a wonderful place, but I did see a lot of unwashed druggies and public urination, but it was mostly other Euros getting their party on.


Like anyone who lives in Amsterdam I do know where this stuff is going on, but as you point out it's not really the Dutch involved- it's tourists.  And as I said I'm sure there are underage prostitutes in any place in America, so does that mean you don't know you're city?

I'm not claiming a year and a half makes me as well-versed as the Dutch who have lived here all their lives, but I do think it makes me qualified to call bullshait on the sensationalism in the article.  I have many Dutch and expat friends and never heard of any of my female friends complaining of being accosted, or anyone ever encountering anything shady.  I feel perfectly comfortable cycling home at 3am while alone as do all my friends, for example, and so does everyone I know: it's that safe, and you could never do that in the US.

I really hope that this article does turn off some from visiting though.  More local beers in the most beautiful city in the world for us!
 
2013-02-20 10:42:41 AM
Why didn't you just say so Holland?  Now I have more reasons to visit than ever before!
 
2013-02-20 10:42:52 AM

doglover: I'm pretty sure you can find sex slaves in America. Underage hookers as well. Not to mention the gun violence. Europe's not much better. And I don't care HOW nice Germany gets, you don't get a free pass for fueling the two largest wars in history in a mere century just because your economy looks good now.

Glass houses, etc.


It's a huge problem in Georgia, specifically the I-75 corridor.  All those "luv U longtiems" massage parlors are sketchy, and at least half of them are chinese sex slaves.  We're talking locked in a back room with 20 girls and cots at night, if required.  They evidently promise the girls freedom for a couple grand, then bring them here and shame them into paying their debt ("we'll tell your family you're a whore" type stuff).  It's ugly.  Thankfully, Macon and a few other cities are fighting back against them and cutting down the business.
 
2013-02-20 10:43:06 AM

CygnusDarius: Karac: gilgigamesh: The thing of it is, Vegas was able to legalize the sex trade without all these problems. As far as I know.

Prostitition is not legal in Las Vegas. Nevada laws on the matter differ from county to county; the ones which contain Vegas, Reno, and the majority of the population in the state do not allow it.

If fly to Vegas for the weekend and want to find a legal whore, you're going to need to rent a car, get directions, and drive for at least a half hour. If you want to do the same in Amsterdam, all you probably have to do is get on the subway.

Which strikes me as odd, considering Vegas legalized gambling and has made a ton of money on that pony.


They don't want to jeopardize the gambling money. Las Vega already has a somewhat unsavory reputation. Legalized prostitution would increase the unsavoriness to the point that a lot of people/conventions would start avoiding it.
 
2013-02-20 10:44:02 AM
l.yimg.com
Awful Dutch being all awful & stuff.
 
2013-02-20 10:45:32 AM

RulerOfNone: clane: Liberals are funny and sad at the same time...
[pnsexplosion.com image 600x450]

Go back to /pol/.


Conservatives are both "right" and wrong at the same time.  And never very funny.
 
2013-02-20 10:46:16 AM

Andromeda: Oooooh boy.

American living in Amsterdam here (for 1.5 years now) and let me tell you, the city does not resemble what the article paints it like at all.  Only time I ever see prostitutes is if a friend is visiting and just HAS to see the Red Light District/ a Fark party.  Nor have I as a woman been accosted going home as the article says, or anything like that.

I further find it telling that this article doesn't say how much more prevalent human trafficking is in the Netherlands than in other countries.  I would be curious to hear if it's much higher as of the last 10 years or so.


Those opposed to legalized prostitution have always made their case by making unrealistic, sensational claims about it, and they're still doing that now. As actual academic studies show, most prostitution -even in the US where it's "illegal"- is consensual, pimpless, and typically a phase-of-life activity (meaning young people enter prostitution for extra money or curiosity, then leave it after a few years). Also noticeable in this article is the entire lack of any discussion of male-male homosexual prostitution which, again as academic studies consistently show, absolutely dwarfs the female-male side of the business. While trafficking and pimps do exist, they are a small part of sex-work, and one you can much more easily fight by bringing the industry out into the open and enforcing abuse/labor protection laws against those who assault and rip off prostitutes than by driving the entire industry back into the shadows.
 
2013-02-20 10:46:16 AM

theflatline: Andromeda: Oooooh boy.

American living in Amsterdam here (for 1.5 years now) and let me tell you, the city does not resemble what the article paints it like at all.  Only time I ever see prostitutes is if a friend is visiting and just HAS to see the Red Light District/ a Fark party.  Nor have I as a woman been accosted going home as the article says, or anything like that.

I further find it telling that this article doesn't say how much more prevalent human trafficking is in the Netherlands than in other countries.  I would be curious to hear if it's much higher as of the last 10 years or so.

I am sure all of that exists, you just do not run around where those actions occur.

I have lived on and off in Colombia over 20 years and there are plenty of Americans and Europeans living there now and they go native and say things like "Cocaine, hookers, kidnappings do not exist, I do not know what Colombia you live in, but not mine!"

Because they stay in their homes, and only venture out to places that their Colombian wives let them go, and usually only with family members and friends.

Plus the locals tend to put on their best behavior for not natives.

I on the other hand as a Colombian/American will say "what about  the four whore houses around the corner from the church?  the cabbie who just tried to sell me an eightball, and the lady with the photo book full of 15 year old hookers?" and the response is always "well, uh, you must be making that up!"

I have been to Amsterdam and thought it was a wonderful place, but I did see a lot of unwashed druggies and public urination, but it was mostly other Euros getting their party on.


Aren't you doing the same thing? They are saying that the parts they've seen are nice, so the country must be nice. You are saying, yeah but some parts are awful so the whole country is awful.
 
2013-02-20 10:46:23 AM

Andromeda: Oooooh boy.

American living in Amsterdam here (for 1.5 years now) and let me tell you, the city does not resemble what the article paints it like at all.  Only time I ever see prostitutes is if a friend is visiting and just HAS to see the Red Light District/ a Fark party.  Nor have I as a woman been accosted going home as the article says, or anything like that.

I further find it telling that this article doesn't say how much more prevalent human trafficking is in the Netherlands than in other countries.  I would be curious to hear if it's much higher as of the last 10 years or so.


I lived there for 3 years as an American Expat.  Best 3 years of my life, and I've never felt safer.  The worst crime problems are the ubiquitous bicycle theft and the fact that about 100% of the landlords are violating the rental laws by doing things like charging you 150 euro for 50 euro worth of electricity.  The problems with drunken tourists are the same as that can be found in any American city that has tourists and a bar scene.
 
2013-02-20 10:46:23 AM
The Netherlands is not the armpit of Europe.

Moldova is the armpit of Europe.
 
2013-02-20 10:47:15 AM
consider the source - why not look up Julie Bindel and see whether you think she looked at Amsterdam in a fair and balanced way.
 
2013-02-20 10:47:22 AM
It can be both.

And get real.

When Americans think of Holland, the first thing they think of is jokes about fingers in dykes.
 
2013-02-20 10:48:03 AM

Arkanaut: Also, I thought the armpit of Europe is still Albania.


No, Romenia.

One word: gypsies.
 
2013-02-20 10:50:02 AM

Andromeda: theflatline: Andromeda: Oooooh boy.

American living in Amsterdam here (for 1.5 years now) and let me tell you, the city does not resemble what the article paints it like at all.  Only time I ever see prostitutes is if a friend is visiting and just HAS to see the Red Light District/ a Fark party.  Nor have I as a woman been accosted going home as the article says, or anything like that.

I further find it telling that this article doesn't say how much more prevalent human trafficking is in the Netherlands than in other countries.  I would be curious to hear if it's much higher as of the last 10 years or so.

I am sure all of that exists, you just do not run around where those actions occur.

I have lived on and off in Colombia over 20 years and there are plenty of Americans and Europeans living there now and they go native and say things like "Cocaine, hookers, kidnappings do not exist, I do not know what Colombia you live in, but not mine!"

Because they stay in their homes, and only venture out to places that their Colombian wives let them go, and usually only with family members and friends.

Plus the locals tend to put on their best behavior for not natives.

I on the other hand as a Colombian/American will say "what about  the four whore houses around the corner from the church?  the cabbie who just tried to sell me an eightball, and the lady with the photo book full of 15 year old hookers?" and the response is always "well, uh, you must be making that up!"

I have been to Amsterdam and thought it was a wonderful place, but I did see a lot of unwashed druggies and public urination, but it was mostly other Euros getting their party on.

Like anyone who lives in Amsterdam I do know where this stuff is going on, but as you point out it's not really the Dutch involved- it's tourists.  And as I said I'm sure there are underage prostitutes in any place in America, so does that mean you don't know you're city?

I'm not claiming a year and a half makes me as well-verse ...


I know my city Ocala, Florida and I would be hard pressed to find an underage hooker, though I am sure there are some, maybe at John Travoltas house, but I would imagine on pure per capita level Amsterdam has more than I could ever dig up.

I also walk home at least twice a week from my local about 1 mile from my house in the wee small hours, and have never been accosted.  Plenty of places in the US you can wander about in the early am and not be bothered.

And I am sure the Dutch party as hard as the tourists do, they are just discreet about it.   Plus the Dutch allow it so they do not exactly have clean hands, it makes them a ton of tourist money.
 
2013-02-20 10:50:25 AM

Vodka Zombie: cman: Oh, the Netherlands, how I hate ye.

Your language sounds like a girl speaking English with her mouth occupied by a certain male sexual organ

I lived in Eindhoven for three years.  Wonderful place if you're not so petty or childish as to hate an entire nation for the language they speak.


Personally I'd find this "fact" as a plus for Holland but maybe I'm a little messed up like that.
(no need for other Farkers to follow up on this)
 
2013-02-20 10:50:54 AM
Farkers should find news sites that don't try to charge you to read the farking news.
 
2013-02-20 10:51:07 AM

clane: Liberals are funny and sad at the same time...
[pnsexplosion.com image 600x450]



Wow... What a brilliant insight. It's like rational adults were having a conversation and you ran in between them, took a dump on the floor and then ran away.
 
2013-02-20 10:51:12 AM
Shh, you don't want to shatter any silly delusions people have because they've learned to hate their own country for some reason.

The only way you're going to have a country without any problems in it is if there are also no people in it.
 
2013-02-20 10:51:16 AM

Where wolf: It's a huge problem in Georgia, specifically the I-75 corridor. All those "luv U longtiems" massage parlors are sketchy, and at least half of them are chinese sex slaves. We're talking locked in a back room with 20 girls and cots at night, if required. They evidently promise the girls freedom for a couple grand, then bring them here and shame them into paying their debt ("we'll tell your family you're a whore" type stuff). It's ugly. Thankfully, Macon and a few other cities are fighting back against them and cutting down the business.



It's easier from European countries that don't require a visa.  The deal generally is that their recruiter promises them a legitimate job (modeling typically) in exchange for getting them in to the country.  Yeah, that job ends up being working a pole, at best.  And since the recruiter keeps their passports, most of the individuals are easily trapped..
 
2013-02-20 10:52:22 AM

skullkrusher: Citrate1007: The Super Bowl is an event that creates the #1 highest concentration of illegal prostitution in the world.  So ya, Fark the Dutch.....

do people bring hookers in their bags with them?


Pimps move their hookers to whatever city it is in.
 
2013-02-20 10:52:38 AM
People still hate hipsters? They're old now(late 20s, early 30s) & are in the work force.


/but they still drink pbr's.
 
2013-02-20 10:53:12 AM

Kitten_Pryde: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: At least all those windmills will keep them cool.

WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!


Why the fark did I laugh so heartily at that?
 
2013-02-20 10:53:33 AM

randomjsa: Shh, you don't want to shatter any silly delusions people have because they've learned to hate their own country for some reason.

The only way you're going to have a country without any problems in it is if there are also no people in it.


Could not have said it better myself.

Expats, especially those from the states, always see where they are living with rose colored glassed.
 
2013-02-20 10:53:51 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Bastard Toadflax: Looks like the Dutch have lost their rudder.

what someone who lost their rudder may look like:
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I believe the Anjin-san lost his "rutter."
 
2013-02-20 10:54:03 AM

InmanRoshi: <i>Underage runaways, Sex Trafficking, Forced prostitution </i>

So basically like the Republican National Convention?


More like Bill Clinton's office...especially on Thursday.

/if his herpes isn't flaring up of course
//not a repeat of 1994
///aren't you tired of pointing out the exceptions to make yourself feel better about your own shortcomings?
 
2013-02-20 10:54:34 AM
So.....they're the New Jersey of Europe?
 
Biv
2013-02-20 10:55:05 AM
We need more examples of what a Dutch girl who could be subjected to prostitution might look like.
 
2013-02-20 10:55:20 AM

Ebbelwoi: grokca: Ah, Stratumseind, I lost a lot of braincells there.

I've done both Carneval and Konninenedag (sic) there.  That's one awesome party row.  Protip:  wear dirty old shoes when you go.


I was there for EK2000, that was a party. Hot, 32C during the day 28C at night,  Dutch women dress really nice when the temps are like that.
 
2013-02-20 10:55:20 AM

maggoo: Arkanaut: Also, I thought the armpit of Europe is still Albania.

No, Romenia.

One word: gypsies.


Its spelled "romania" and no way. Bucarest is a little rough but you go up to Brasov and into the carpathians and romania is wonderful. Its very poor in places, sure, but its great.

gypsies are scum give you that but it doesnt take down the whole country. if that was the case than HU and CZ would be Armpits, and that is far from the truth.

go see brasov, its like salzburg without the japanese and mozartkugel.
 
2013-02-20 10:55:47 AM

randomjsa: Shh, you don't want to shatter any silly delusions people have because they've learned to hate their own country for some reason.

The only way you're going to have a country without any problems in it is if there are also no people in it.


nicholasburgess.com
 
2013-02-20 10:56:58 AM

maggoo: Arkanaut: Also, I thought the armpit of Europe is still Albania.

No, Romenia.

One word: gypsies.


I had more problems with gypsies in Hungary. Begging ass vermin.

I vote Bosnia for armpit of Europe. Smelled like death(for obvious reasons), burning tires,  and rotting cabbage
 
2013-02-20 10:57:27 AM

andersoncouncil42: I'm utterly shocked that an article by the Spectator bares no resemblance to reality, shocked. Bullshiat article by a conservative rag. The people that could believe this crap are those who have never been and have the mentality of a timid sheep.


Yeah, Ugly American article written by an Ugly American magazine written for an  Ugly American audience who believe a night at On the Border for fajitas and margaritas constitutes experiencing an exotic culture.
 
2013-02-20 10:57:51 AM

mongbiohazard: clane: Liberals are funny and sad at the same time...
[pnsexplosion.com image 600x450]


Wow... What a brilliant insight. It's like rational adults were having a conversation and you ran in between them, took a dump on the floor and then ran away.


It's a troll account.  Check the profile.  Only a couple of the fundyest teahadists are that stupid.
 
2013-02-20 10:58:23 AM
go to youtube and look up jeremy clarkson's meet the neighbours and find the holland episode. funny and informative in many ways.
 
2013-02-20 10:58:36 AM

theflatline: 3. Spaniards - they think everyone in latin america are inferior creatures but love banging the women there.


Well sure, they conquered the place. Granted it was more than 400 years ago, but still, that was the impression they brought home.
 
2013-02-20 10:59:04 AM

maggoo: Arkanaut: Also, I thought the armpit of Europe is still Albania.

No, Romenia.

One word: gypsies.


No...no...it's Albania, and there are pleny of Romany (sp.?) wandering around Tirana carrying babies in their arms begging for money while you are trying to have a cup of coffee in some smoke-filled outdoor cafe....screw Albania.

/But the "Three Bears" was nice!
 
2013-02-20 10:59:53 AM
I thought Kolkata (Calcutta) was the armpit of Europe? Or maybe it was the asshole..
 
2013-02-20 11:00:15 AM

Onkel Buck: maggoo: Arkanaut: Also, I thought the armpit of Europe is still Albania.

No, Romenia.

One word: gypsies.

I had more problems with gypsies in Hungary. Begging ass vermin.

I vote Bosnia for armpit of Europe. Smelled like death(for obvious reasons), burning tires,  and rotting cabbage


Sounds like Albania...
 
2013-02-20 11:00:16 AM

Vodka Zombie: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: But yeah, forced/underaged prostitution is awful too. DNRTFA, but I thought that place was pretty tightly regulated.

It is.  I think people are taking a lot of the really bad things about Copenhagen, Denmark, and trying to apply it to Amsterdam in an attempt to disparage an entire country.


Oh gee willickers Conservative types are misrepresenting things to better sell their stale and failed ideology? Damn goddamn Batman history has never recorded this happening
 
2013-02-20 11:00:41 AM
All countries have their contradictions.

My first wife came to the US as an exchange student and ended up living here and becoming a citizen. Despite its freedoms and tolerance she felt if she stayed in the Netherlands of the 80's she was 'doomed' to a life of wife and mother. Here she was a wife, mother, NASA space fellow, lawyer and elected the County Treasurer.

On the other hand her sister who stayed became a computer programmer for a major dutch bank. However as a single women she was not allowed to work after hours if a married man was also working late.

Of course the most amazing to me was their attitudes toward crime and punishment. Their  cops really are more public servant than enforcer. I remember once we were visiting my bother in law in some college town up north were they had a real problem with jay walkers and people disregarding the ped crossings at intersections. So the cops disabled all the crossing lights until the populace beg the police to turn them back on and promised to be good little pedestrians.
 
2013-02-20 11:00:41 AM

InmanRoshi: andersoncouncil42: I'm utterly shocked that an article by the Spectator bares no resemblance to reality, shocked. Bullshiat article by a conservative rag. The people that could believe this crap are those who have never been and have the mentality of a timid sheep.

Yeah, Ugly American article written by an Ugly American magazine written for an  Ugly American audience who believe a night at On the Border for fajitas and margaritas constitutes experiencing an exotic culture.


Saturday Night Live did a Fox & Friends bit about the Euro-horsemeat ruckus and did accurately portray both the Newsmen and the intended audience's understanding of The Europe.

"Italy has unlimited breadsticks."

"No, that was the Olive Garden."
 
2013-02-20 11:01:54 AM

Andromeda: I feel perfectly comfortable cycling home at 3am while alone as do all my friends, for example, and so does everyone I know: it's that safe, and you could never do that in the US.


In the vast majority of the US, yes you can.
 
2013-02-20 11:02:06 AM

H31N0US: I have fallen behind. Which side of the aisle bankrolls The Spectator?


Reactionary Upper Class Tories. Have you ever heard of Auberon Waugh?

For the American equivalent read Cleveland Amory's The Trouble with Nowadays.

I had an acquaintance who cried when he Montreal Massacre occurred (14 dead) at the thought of all the hay the feminists and anti-gun lobby would make of the massacre. He hated Cleveland Amory. For his cat books and pro-wildlife agitprop.

Any hoo, like the neo-cons, the people who write for and read The Spectator are further to the right than The American Spectator. They dream of putting things back the way they should be, which means either the Belle Epoque, the Gilded Age, the Age of Robber Barons, or the Early Middle Ages.

Mind you, some of these people's family fortunes go back to the Middle Ages. Others are jumped up coal merchants, wool merchants, toothpaste mongers, or brewers. Big, old money.

A brief bibliography:

BooksThe Cat and the CurmudgeonThe Best Cat Ever Hometown The Proper Bostonians Who Killed Society? (1960)[13] Cleveland Amory's Compleat Cat The last resorts Animail Newport: There she sits Cat Tales: Classic Stories from Favorite Writers Man Kind? Our Incredible War on Wildlife 1902 Edition of The Sears, Roebuck Catalog The Trouble with Nowadays : A Curmudgeon Strikes Back Ranch of Dreams: A Lifelong Protector of Animals Shares the Story of His Extraordinary Sanctuary Cats, animal rights and making fun of the upper classes he knew so well. What's not to love? But I digress.

Note: Do not confuse Cleveland Amory with Richard Armory. They are both funny on the subject of the classics. That is all.
 
2013-02-20 11:02:47 AM
doczoidberg:

I just glanced at your profile.

You seem a bit obsessed with something.


clane:
OMG, LMAO, your brilliant!
 
2013-02-20 11:02:59 AM
theflatline: 1. Israelis, in groups of 1-2 they are fine, but anything more they reach critical mass and become drunken unruly louts, and unfortunately krav maga is always involved.
2. Canadians they always say "hi i am canadian, not american" and annoyingly refer to americans as yanks, they get drunk and unruly, or just do something assholeish and say "its cool dude, I am canadian".
3. Spaniards - they think everyone in latin america are inferior creatures but love banging the women there.


Any pack of Brits flying to a cheap Euro destination on RyanAir for a Stag Weekend are by far the worst tourists.    But yeah, the Israeli conscripts  fresh out service with a huge wad of cash in their pockets can be awful   (see Manali)
 
2013-02-20 11:03:38 AM

InmanRoshi: andersoncouncil42: I'm utterly shocked that an article by the Spectator bares no resemblance to reality, shocked. Bullshiat article by a conservative rag. The people that could believe this crap are those who have never been and have the mentality of a timid sheep.

Yeah, Ugly American article written by an Ugly American magazine written for an  Ugly American audience who believe a night at On the Border for fajitas and margaritas constitutes experiencing an exotic culture.


Except, it's an English author writing for an English magazine. It may have been written for an Ugly American audience, but I doubt it.
 
2013-02-20 11:05:18 AM

RidgeRacerZX6: All countries have their contradictions.

My first wife came to the US as an exchange student and ended up living here and becoming a citizen. Despite its freedoms and tolerance she felt if she stayed in the Netherlands of the 80's she was 'doomed' to a life of wife and mother. Here she was a wife, mother, NASA space fellow, lawyer and elected the County Treasurer.

On the other hand her sister who stayed became a computer programmer for a major dutch bank. However as a single women she was not allowed to work after hours if a married man was also working late.

Of course the most amazing to me was their attitudes toward crime and punishment. Their  cops really are more public servant than enforcer. I remember once we were visiting my bother in law in some college town up north were they had a real problem with jay walkers and people disregarding the ped crossings at intersections. So the cops disabled all the crossing lights until the populace beg the police to turn them back on and promised to be good little pedestrians.


My Colombian wife is amazingly intelligent, graduated high school at 14, and immediately started working as a nanny, then was apprencticed to a pastry chef, it has taken me about 3 years to wash the idea out of her head that she should wait on everyone hand and foot and that she is more than a caregiver.

Colombian police are only interested in texting girls and shaking down people, so Colombians never obey the law.

Bogota had a mayor that realized that the only way to make people act correctly was to to publically shame them, so in one of the busiest intersections he hired 100s of mimes and every time someone broke a traffic law the mimes made fun of them.  The intersection is now the safest place to drive in the city.
 
2013-02-20 11:05:36 AM

Andromeda: American living in Amsterdam here (for 1.5 years now) and let me tell you, the city does not resemble what the article paints it like at all.


Just like in the U.S., there are good neighborhoods and bad ones.   Pretty much the same phenomenon where Europeans read articles about the U.S. and get an extremely warped view.  I've lived in the U.S. for 44 years and never once seen a shooting, a mugging, a gun-nut waving a gun around,etc.  I've had European friends ask me if i'm afraid of being shot, lol. The media emphasizes what is spectacular.  They don't write stories about the hundreds of millions of people living in quiet neighborhoodsraising children and and living their lives in peace.
 
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