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(The Spectator UK)   What American hipsters think of Holland: weed, hookers, perfect Utopia of freedom. What Holland really looks like: underage runaways, sex trafficking, forced prostitution, the knowledge that you've become the armpit of Europe   (spectator.co.uk) divider line 389
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2013-02-20 08:43:28 AM
Oh, the Netherlands, how I hate ye.

Your language sounds like a girl speaking English with her mouth occupied by a certain male sexual organ
 
2013-02-20 08:49:59 AM

cman: Oh, the Netherlands, how I hate ye.

Your language sounds like a girl speaking English with her mouth occupied by a certain male sexual organ


I lived in Eindhoven for three years.  Wonderful place if you're not so petty or childish as to hate an entire nation for the language they speak.
 
2013-02-20 08:52:35 AM
Sounds sexy.  Actually, when I went there (a BUNCH of times) I never once looked at the girls in the windows and said, "I think I'll have one of her and two of those."  It's about as sexy as buying a piece of meat at Trader Joe's.  While I'll walk around TJ's with a hard-on like a racehorse as often as the next guy, I never partook in the meat market portion of the redlight district.  Not b/c of morality issues, just b/c it wasn't sexy.  And about half the time I was with girls, so why pay for milk.

But yeah, forced/underaged prostitution is awful too. DNRTFA, but I thought that place was pretty tightly regulated.
 
2013-02-20 08:57:01 AM

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: But yeah, forced/underaged prostitution is awful too. DNRTFA, but I thought that place was pretty tightly regulated.


It is.  I think people are taking a lot of the really bad things about Copenhagen, Denmark, and trying to apply it to Amsterdam in an attempt to disparage an entire country.
 
2013-02-20 08:57:25 AM
I'm pretty sure they (hipsters) think that because that's how Holland wants to be viewed by tourists. When foreigners think of New York, they think of Times Square, all the museums/plays, the Statue of Liberty; not the thousands of homeless, millions of rats, murders, traffic jams, etc. that are there every day.
 
2013-02-20 08:59:16 AM
human trafficking happens EVERYWHERE, not just in places with legalized prostitution.
 
2013-02-20 09:00:08 AM
Teenage runaway hookers, you say?

Let me check with Expedia...
 
2013-02-20 09:05:20 AM
I'm pretty sure you can find sex slaves in America. Underage hookers as well. Not to mention the gun violence. Europe's not much better. And I don't care HOW nice Germany gets, you don't get a free pass for fueling the two largest wars in history in a mere century just because your economy looks good now.

Glass houses, etc.
 
2013-02-20 09:13:30 AM

Vodka Zombie: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: But yeah, forced/underaged prostitution is awful too. DNRTFA, but I thought that place was pretty tightly regulated.

It is.  I think people are taking a lot of the really bad things about Copenhagen, Denmark, and trying to apply it to Amsterdam in an attempt to disparage an entire country.


I was, however, surprised at the open air drug market atmosphere that seemed to exist.  They were pretty lax about that, and the element that participated in it.  It seems like when they legalized weed and prostitution the cops pretty much stopped doing anything at all.  Or at least stopped enforcing laws that were still in effect.  Seems like that would fix a lot of what TFA is complaining about.
 
2013-02-20 09:15:58 AM
i.adultswim.com

Dutch are scum
 
2013-02-20 09:24:10 AM
Oooooh boy.

American living in Amsterdam here (for 1.5 years now) and let me tell you, the city does not resemble what the article paints it like at all.  Only time I ever see prostitutes is if a friend is visiting and just HAS to see the Red Light District/ a Fark party.  Nor have I as a woman been accosted going home as the article says, or anything like that.

I further find it telling that this article doesn't say how much more prevalent human trafficking is in the Netherlands than in other countries.  I would be curious to hear if it's much higher as of the last 10 years or so.
 
2013-02-20 09:31:28 AM
At least all those windmills will keep them cool.
 
2013-02-20 09:36:29 AM
So... other countries have problems?  It's not just us?  Good to know.
 
2013-02-20 09:36:41 AM

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: And about half the time I was with girls, so why pay for milk.


You were getting the cow for free?
 
2013-02-20 09:46:12 AM
On of my ancestors left there before 1600. He settled inland of Sherwood Forest so I'm guessing he was running from someone with a navy.  He regained his title as English Lord and two generations later his grandson was Cromwell's right hand man with the whole choppy/choppy with Charles. I would love to know more.
 
2013-02-20 09:47:13 AM
Goddamned Dutch.
 
2013-02-20 09:50:05 AM
Hmm, I've already got my vacation time booked for this year.  Going to have to shift some stuff around...
 
2013-02-20 09:55:32 AM
 
2013-02-20 10:00:58 AM

Vodka Zombie: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: But yeah, forced/underaged prostitution is awful too. DNRTFA, but I thought that place was pretty tightly regulated.

It is.  I think people are taking a lot of the really bad things about Copenhagen, Denmark, and trying to apply it to Amsterdam in an attempt to disparage an entire country.


Perhaps.  The article is pretty light on facts.

The thing of it is, Vegas was able to legalize the sex trade without all these problems.  As far as I know.
 
2013-02-20 10:06:26 AM
I'm calling for a moratorium on the word 'hipster', no one uses that  damn thing correctly
 
Biv
2013-02-20 10:07:11 AM
I fail to see the problem here.
 
2013-02-20 10:07:14 AM
There are two things I can't stand in this world: People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.
 
2013-02-20 10:08:04 AM
Also, I thought the armpit of Europe is still Albania.
 
2013-02-20 10:09:12 AM
When I think of Holland, I think of underage sex prostitutes, and I'm not even Dutch!
 
2013-02-20 10:11:28 AM
become?
 
2013-02-20 10:11:57 AM
I spent some time in Amsterdam in the 90s. I thought it was very pretty and the people were very nice. Though I didn't purchase any fresh human-trafficked underage prostitutes. It wasn't in the brochure.
 
2013-02-20 10:12:00 AM
I have been to Amsterdam multiple times. I thought it was nice. The people were nice, the food was good, the city was friendly in general.
 
2013-02-20 10:12:04 AM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: At least all those windmills will keep them cool.


That really made me laugh way too much. But really, man, they aren't African Turtles, they are people.
 
2013-02-20 10:12:38 AM
I had a good time in Amsterdam...I think.
 
2013-02-20 10:13:00 AM

UberDave: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: And about half the time I was with girls, so why pay for milk.

You were getting the cow for free?


Oh, how I laughed at that!
 
2013-02-20 10:13:08 AM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: At least all those windmills will keep them cool.


i1.kym-cdn.com

Windmills do not work that way!
 
2013-02-20 10:13:36 AM
Well, at least they're not Belgian.
www.id-wall.com
 
2013-02-20 10:14:43 AM

Vodka Zombie: Wonderful place if you're not so petty or childish as to hate an entire nation for the language they speak.


In other words, wonderful place unless you are a typical American.
 
2013-02-20 10:15:49 AM
I have fallen behind. Which side of the aisle bankrolls The Spectator?
 
2013-02-20 10:15:51 AM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: At least all those windmills will keep them cool.


WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!
 
2013-02-20 10:16:10 AM

doublesecretprobation: human trafficking happens EVERYWHERE, not just in places with legalized prostitution.


Yeah, that article sounds more like bashing than truth.

Andromeda: Oooooh boy.

American living in Amsterdam here (for 1.5 years now) and let me tell you, the city does not resemble what the article paints it like at all.  Only time I ever see prostitutes is if a friend is visiting and just HAS to see the Red Light District/ a Fark party.  Nor have I as a woman been accosted going home as the article says, or anything like that.

I further find it telling that this article doesn't say how much more prevalent human trafficking is in the Netherlands than in other countries.  I would be curious to hear if it's much higher as of the last 10 years or so.


Thank you.  It read like bashing, I'm glad to see my suspicion confirmed.
 
2013-02-20 10:16:40 AM
1) Links to pay site
2) All the farkin stupid hipsters go to Berlin now, not A'dam
3) Germany has a gazillion more sex slaves than Holland
4) Fortunately no horsemeat scandal in Holland as it's been in the Frikandel the whole time
 
2013-02-20 10:17:26 AM

DON.MAC: On of my ancestors left there before 1600. He settled inland of Sherwood Forest so I'm guessing he was running from someone with a navy.  He regained his title as English Lord and two generations later his grandson was Cromwell's right hand man with the whole choppy/choppy with Charles. I would love to know more.


Seriously thought you were talking about a Crusader Kings 2 playthrough. If you've never heard of the game, you should check it out.
 
2013-02-20 10:18:16 AM
I remember when "hipster" used to mean something

/also, before it was cool
 
2013-02-20 10:18:33 AM
So they've been hiding the good stuff from us.

/fark your paywall
 
2013-02-20 10:18:49 AM
The Super Bowl is an event that creates the #1 highest concentration of illegal prostitution in the world.  So ya, Fark the Dutch.....
 
2013-02-20 10:20:05 AM
LOL first article from the spectator I think I've read and I have reached the monthly viewing allotment XD
 
2013-02-20 10:20:37 AM

Citrate1007: The Super Bowl is an event that creates the #1 highest concentration of illegal prostitution in the world.  So ya, Fark the Dutch.....


do people bring hookers in their bags with them?
 
2013-02-20 10:20:55 AM
Isn't Holland the place that's filled with "swamp Germans"?
 
2013-02-20 10:21:22 AM

Andromeda: American living in Amsterdam here (for 1.5 years now) and let me tell you, the city does not resemble what the article paints it like at all. Only time I ever see prostitutes is if a friend is visiting and just HAS to see the Red Light District/ a Fark party. Nor have I as a woman been accosted going home as the article says, or anything like that.


I'm not surprised that TFA might be a little disingenuous. But to be honest, I never think about Holland at all anyways. Until this headline, I can't remember the last time I thought about Holland.
 
2013-02-20 10:21:29 AM
That sounds like Toledo and the armpit of America but without the hipster admiration.
 
2013-02-20 10:21:42 AM
Liberals are funny and sad at the same time...
pnsexplosion.com
 
2013-02-20 10:21:42 AM

gilgigamesh: The thing of it is, Vegas was able to legalize the sex trade without all these problems. As far as I know.


Prostitition is not legal in Las Vegas. Nevada laws on the matter differ from county to county; the ones which contain Vegas, Reno, and the majority of the population in the state do not allow it.

If fly to Vegas for the weekend and want to find a legal whore, you're going to need to rent a car, get directions, and drive for at least a half hour. If you want to do the same in Amsterdam, all you probably have to do is get on the subway.
 
2013-02-20 10:21:57 AM

Vodka Zombie: cman: Oh, the Netherlands, how I hate ye.

Your language sounds like a girl speaking English with her mouth occupied by a certain male sexual organ

I lived in Eindhoven for three years.  Wonderful place if you're not so petty or childish as to hate an entire nation for the language they speak.


Netherlands is the best, I have no clue what that idiot was talking about, if I could find a job there I would leave asap.
 
2013-02-20 10:22:17 AM
Every single negative about prostitution pointed out already existed when it was illegal in greater numbers
 
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