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(Asahi Shimbun)   Secret US military flights carried equipment and personnel to North Korea. Also, don't ask what they were about because they are secret. Especially you Japan   (ajw.asahi.com) divider line 14
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2013-02-20 10:35:21 AM
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loki see loki do: Why the fark would the US clean up a North Korean nuclear mess?
We want them to be a nuclear mess.
That is possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read on Fark.


Radioisotopes from Chernobyl showed up in Western Europe.

Radioisotopes from Fukushima turned up on the US west coast.

During the days of above-ground tests, the entire planet had a nice little blanket of background radiation from it, one big reason for the international ban on atmospheric testing.

Containment of nuclear incidents crosses international boundaries, and you can bet that NK having an "oops" might well cause problems in SK, or Japan, or Taiwan, or the PRC, ect.  If Japan thought that NK was doing anything that spread radioactive contamination onto their soil, that would be very bad for them with their internal politics.  That situation is touchy enough as-is, Japan finding out they have contamination from a nuclear fallout plume from NK would just be gasoline on the fire in the region.

Why ask the US instead of the PRC?  Because we have more technical expertise on the issue, and because the whole point of their missile and nuclear programs is global-scale attention whoring and they want the US to pay attention to them on this issue (while discouraging conventional warfare, because if the Korean peninsula went into a shooting war again, Seoul might become a crater inside of 10 minutes, but in the long term NK would lose big time because of a serious lack of fuel, food and other strategic resources).

Again, no way to tell, but it's an intriguing possibility.
2013-02-20 10:28:07 AM
4 votes:
This is almost certainly a high-level diplomatic something going on.

Pyongyang wouldn't want it to be too publicly known, and it was almost certainly something either towards NK disarmament, dismantling it's missile and/or nuclear program, repatriation of remains from the Korean War, or otherwise towards peace negotiations.

The suggestion that NK had a nuclear accident and quietly asked for technical advice/help in cleanup/containment is intriguing, because containing an accident would be in everyones best interest, besides containing environmental damage, NK gets to hide that their program isn't as advanced as they'd like to put on, and we get to find out technical details of their program through the cleanup and nuclear forensics.

Y'know, in all those Wikileaks threads when people say why do diplomatic communications need to remain secret?  If this happened in the open with no expectation of secrecy at all, Best Korea almost certainly wouldn't have agreed to it.

I know everybody wants to know everything, but sometimes things are secret for a perfectly good reason.

As for not telling Japan, for all we know that was one of the conditions Best Korea laid down for these talks or whatever assistance was provided.  Funny thing about diplomacy: you don't even tell your closest allies everything, but you do tell them everything that leads to mutual benefit.  Everybody has secrets, and everybody spies on each other, even close allies.  You've also got the things that everybody knows is true (like Israel having nuclear arms, so other Arab states don't try to invade them again, because there WILL be mushroom clouds if they try) but they officially deny (to play nice with the Nonproliferation Treaty and push us into an awkward position).
2013-02-20 12:29:40 PM
3 votes:
The flights were in November and December 2011, and on April 7, 2012 and August 18-20, 2012. I wonder what the reasons could be?

Let's see, in November, 2011, North and South Korea were rattling sabers over a maritime border in the Yellow Seaand here's an article stating the U.S. has stepped up efforts to stabilize the region.

Now, what possibly could've happened in December, 2011? Oh yeah, Kim Jong-il died, on December 17, 2011. There might've been something in the news about that.

I'm not really remembering April, 2012 as a big thing, other than a major intercontinental ballistic missile launch (that failed, btw).

As far as August, 2012? Let's see, the U.S. and South Korea were conducting joint exercises while North Korea and Japan were holding diplomatic talks in China.

So, anyway, make sure you weave one of those news events into your super awesome conspiracy theory in the future.
2013-02-20 10:19:19 AM
3 votes:
Typical, helping those who hate us and telling our allies to fark off.... GO TEAM OBAMA!!
2013-02-20 10:13:23 AM
2 votes:

rabidarmadillo24: Are countries required to inform the world of their diplomatic overtures?


No.  But North Korea is firing missiles over Japan, and Japan used to be a very close partner on security.  They have a natural expectation that we would inform them of equipment we're bringing to North Korea, a nation that is building nuclear weapons and wants to destroy Japan.

Perhaps there is something extreme enough to justify this (like North Korea having a radioactive accident and the USA cleaning it up with a promise for absolute secrecy), but it is a diplomatic black eye.
2013-02-20 01:11:58 PM
1 votes:

ChipNASA: [media.tumblr.com image 500x375]

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Now look what you made me do:

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2013-02-20 10:23:49 AM
1 votes:

Joe Blowme: Typical, helping those who hate us and telling our allies to fark off.... GO TEAM OBAMA!!


Okay, second dumbest.
2013-02-20 10:15:03 AM
1 votes:

Arcanum: rabidarmadillo24: Are countries required to inform the world of their diplomatic overtures?

No.  But North Korea is firing missiles over Japan, and Japan used to be a very close partner on security.  They have a natural expectation that we would inform them of equipment we're bringing to North Korea, a nation that is building nuclear weapons and wants to destroy Japan.

Perhaps there is something extreme enough to justify this (like North Korea having a radioactive accident and the USA cleaning it up with a promise for absolute secrecy), but it is a diplomatic black eye.


I'm pretty sure they still are.
2013-02-20 10:09:15 AM
1 votes:

eyeq360: It's a shipment of Pringles packed in one-chip packages with "Once you pop, you don't stop. If you want more, overthow Kim Jong Un."  After the citizens get their taste of such goodness, they will demand for more Pringles and overthrow Kim Jong Un.


mmmmmm, salt & vinegar Pringles
2013-02-20 10:06:09 AM
1 votes:
It's a shipment of Pringles packed in one-chip packages with "Once you pop, you don't stop. If you want more, overthow Kim Jong Un."  After the citizens get their taste of such goodness, they will demand for more Pringles and overthrow Kim Jong Un.
2013-02-20 09:59:59 AM
1 votes:
Are countries required to inform the world of their diplomatic overtures?
2013-02-20 09:58:54 AM
1 votes:
Remains from the Korean War.
2013-02-20 09:51:24 AM
1 votes:
Without providing those bulldozers, NK may have tested TWO nuclear warheads instead of just the one.
2013-02-20 09:40:59 AM
1 votes:
It's a conspiracy.
 
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