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(Asahi Shimbun)   Secret US military flights carried equipment and personnel to North Korea. Also, don't ask what they were about because they are secret. Especially you Japan   (ajw.asahi.com) divider line 64
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2013-02-20 09:40:59 AM  
It's a conspiracy.
 
2013-02-20 09:43:50 AM  
Probably some spooks and their equipment being transferred.
 
2013-02-20 09:48:03 AM  
Officials unofficially confirmed.

Also, fark you, Japan.
 
2013-02-20 09:49:33 AM  
We have a base in Pyongyang. Too bad Pyongyang doesn't know about it.
 
2013-02-20 09:51:24 AM  
Without providing those bulldozers, NK may have tested TWO nuclear warheads instead of just the one.
 
2013-02-20 09:58:54 AM  
Remains from the Korean War.
 
2013-02-20 09:59:59 AM  
Are countries required to inform the world of their diplomatic overtures?
 
2013-02-20 10:06:09 AM  
It's a shipment of Pringles packed in one-chip packages with "Once you pop, you don't stop. If you want more, overthow Kim Jong Un."  After the citizens get their taste of such goodness, they will demand for more Pringles and overthrow Kim Jong Un.
 
2013-02-20 10:09:15 AM  

eyeq360: It's a shipment of Pringles packed in one-chip packages with "Once you pop, you don't stop. If you want more, overthow Kim Jong Un."  After the citizens get their taste of such goodness, they will demand for more Pringles and overthrow Kim Jong Un.


mmmmmm, salt & vinegar Pringles
 
2013-02-20 10:13:23 AM  

rabidarmadillo24: Are countries required to inform the world of their diplomatic overtures?


No.  But North Korea is firing missiles over Japan, and Japan used to be a very close partner on security.  They have a natural expectation that we would inform them of equipment we're bringing to North Korea, a nation that is building nuclear weapons and wants to destroy Japan.

Perhaps there is something extreme enough to justify this (like North Korea having a radioactive accident and the USA cleaning it up with a promise for absolute secrecy), but it is a diplomatic black eye.
 
2013-02-20 10:15:03 AM  

Arcanum: rabidarmadillo24: Are countries required to inform the world of their diplomatic overtures?

No.  But North Korea is firing missiles over Japan, and Japan used to be a very close partner on security.  They have a natural expectation that we would inform them of equipment we're bringing to North Korea, a nation that is building nuclear weapons and wants to destroy Japan.

Perhaps there is something extreme enough to justify this (like North Korea having a radioactive accident and the USA cleaning it up with a promise for absolute secrecy), but it is a diplomatic black eye.


I'm pretty sure they still are.
 
2013-02-20 10:19:19 AM  
Typical, helping those who hate us and telling our allies to fark off.... GO TEAM OBAMA!!
 
2013-02-20 10:19:54 AM  
Don't worry. We took the proceeds from the salr of equipment and gave them to Syrian rebels.

/those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.

// it it it it it it it it.
 
2013-02-20 10:20:16 AM  
Makes me wonder if it was one of those "listen here son, here is how this is going to work" talks.

Also, conspiracy.
 
2013-02-20 10:21:30 AM  

Alonjar: Makes me wonder if it was one of those "listen here son, here is how this is going to work" talks.

Also, conspiracy.


Speaking of conspiracies... im going to throw out... hmmmmm...... US arms NK with nuclear weapons in a bid to complicate China's life.
 
2013-02-20 10:22:28 AM  
Arcanum:  (like North Korea having a radioactive accident and the USA cleaning it up with a promise for absolute secrecy.)

Why the fark would the US clean up a North Korean nuclear mess?
We want them to be a nuclear mess.
That is possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read on Fark.

Japan used to be a very close partner on security.

Yeah, after being nuked into submission.
Is Tiger Tanaka no longer in charge of Japanese Secret Service?
 
2013-02-20 10:23:49 AM  

Joe Blowme: Typical, helping those who hate us and telling our allies to fark off.... GO TEAM OBAMA!!


Okay, second dumbest.
 
2013-02-20 10:24:43 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-20 10:27:10 AM  
You have been banned from /r/Pyongyang.
 
2013-02-20 10:28:07 AM  
This is almost certainly a high-level diplomatic something going on.

Pyongyang wouldn't want it to be too publicly known, and it was almost certainly something either towards NK disarmament, dismantling it's missile and/or nuclear program, repatriation of remains from the Korean War, or otherwise towards peace negotiations.

The suggestion that NK had a nuclear accident and quietly asked for technical advice/help in cleanup/containment is intriguing, because containing an accident would be in everyones best interest, besides containing environmental damage, NK gets to hide that their program isn't as advanced as they'd like to put on, and we get to find out technical details of their program through the cleanup and nuclear forensics.

Y'know, in all those Wikileaks threads when people say why do diplomatic communications need to remain secret?  If this happened in the open with no expectation of secrecy at all, Best Korea almost certainly wouldn't have agreed to it.

I know everybody wants to know everything, but sometimes things are secret for a perfectly good reason.

As for not telling Japan, for all we know that was one of the conditions Best Korea laid down for these talks or whatever assistance was provided.  Funny thing about diplomacy: you don't even tell your closest allies everything, but you do tell them everything that leads to mutual benefit.  Everybody has secrets, and everybody spies on each other, even close allies.  You've also got the things that everybody knows is true (like Israel having nuclear arms, so other Arab states don't try to invade them again, because there WILL be mushroom clouds if they try) but they officially deny (to play nice with the Nonproliferation Treaty and push us into an awkward position).
 
2013-02-20 10:35:21 AM  

loki see loki do: Why the fark would the US clean up a North Korean nuclear mess?
We want them to be a nuclear mess.
That is possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read on Fark.


Radioisotopes from Chernobyl showed up in Western Europe.

Radioisotopes from Fukushima turned up on the US west coast.

During the days of above-ground tests, the entire planet had a nice little blanket of background radiation from it, one big reason for the international ban on atmospheric testing.

Containment of nuclear incidents crosses international boundaries, and you can bet that NK having an "oops" might well cause problems in SK, or Japan, or Taiwan, or the PRC, ect.  If Japan thought that NK was doing anything that spread radioactive contamination onto their soil, that would be very bad for them with their internal politics.  That situation is touchy enough as-is, Japan finding out they have contamination from a nuclear fallout plume from NK would just be gasoline on the fire in the region.

Why ask the US instead of the PRC?  Because we have more technical expertise on the issue, and because the whole point of their missile and nuclear programs is global-scale attention whoring and they want the US to pay attention to them on this issue (while discouraging conventional warfare, because if the Korean peninsula went into a shooting war again, Seoul might become a crater inside of 10 minutes, but in the long term NK would lose big time because of a serious lack of fuel, food and other strategic resources).

Again, no way to tell, but it's an intriguing possibility.
 
2013-02-20 10:42:04 AM  

loki see loki do: Joe Blowme: Typical, helping those who hate us and telling our allies to fark off.... GO TEAM OBAMA!!

Okay, second dumbest.


reading TFA, how does it work?


FTA: "The State Department warned Japan against inquiring further, saying Washington-Tokyo ties could be damaged"
 
2013-02-20 10:44:12 AM  
Maybe Chun needs more gold shipped to him. See if Remo Williams or Harold Smith are listed on the flight logs. Then again, would they really  be there?


/// Obscure for some, not so much for 1970 paperback book readers.
//// Wished for a squeal to the movie. snif.
 
2013-02-20 10:45:42 AM  
A sequel....sorry.
 
2013-02-20 10:46:39 AM  
So we can just abandon the DMZ now? Good....everyone at Panmunjom and Camp Casey, pack your shiat and get the fark out. MOVE IT MOVE IT!
 
2013-02-20 10:46:56 AM  
Thief....
 
2013-02-20 10:48:43 AM  
media.tumblr.com

???????????
 
2013-02-20 10:50:59 AM  

Joe Blowme: loki see loki do: Joe Blowme: Typical, helping those who hate us and telling our allies to fark off.... GO TEAM OBAMA!!

Okay, second dumbest.

reading TFA, how does it work?


FTA: "The State Department warned Japan against inquiring further, saying Washington-Tokyo ties could be damaged"


Yeah, definitely sounds like spooks being moved around.
 
2013-02-20 10:53:48 AM  
Any chance that this is just Japan's new nationalistic leaning government stirring public sentiment with a favorite boogeyman?
 
2013-02-20 11:07:10 AM  

Pichu0102: Yeah, definitely sounds like spooks being moved around.


That I kinda could believe.
The bulldozer is prolly just for Un to play with.
He likes trucks.
 
2013-02-20 11:08:30 AM  
Hopefully installed some sweet underground sensors.
 
2013-02-20 11:20:20 AM  
Obama was just sending the new dictator some gifts.  He needs to keep best korea cool before Obama makes his move.
 
2013-02-20 11:39:08 AM  
Probably taking pope Palpatine to check on the progress of his Death Star.
 
2013-02-20 11:49:25 AM  
No way we would not have known about this.
We have just reelected the most transparent government in history!
This must be a lie ..... Move along.
 
2013-02-20 12:27:04 PM  
Japan could use some more radiation.  It may fix all the pixelation in the videos.
 
2013-02-20 12:29:40 PM  
The flights were in November and December 2011, and on April 7, 2012 and August 18-20, 2012. I wonder what the reasons could be?

Let's see, in November, 2011, North and South Korea were rattling sabers over a maritime border in the Yellow Seaand here's an article stating the U.S. has stepped up efforts to stabilize the region.

Now, what possibly could've happened in December, 2011? Oh yeah, Kim Jong-il died, on December 17, 2011. There might've been something in the news about that.

I'm not really remembering April, 2012 as a big thing, other than a major intercontinental ballistic missile launch (that failed, btw).

As far as August, 2012? Let's see, the U.S. and South Korea were conducting joint exercises while North Korea and Japan were holding diplomatic talks in China.

So, anyway, make sure you weave one of those news events into your super awesome conspiracy theory in the future.
 
2013-02-20 12:30:02 PM  
North Korea is dangerous, unstable and guaranteed to lash out if their existence is threatened. Their time is running out, they WILL attack. So the only question is when? And should we fight on our terms or theirs?
 
2013-02-20 12:31:31 PM  
They had to fix the "Leaders" puppet strings.
 
2013-02-20 12:33:02 PM  

BigMax: those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.


I used to say that. Now I say" Those who know history repeat it. They know it works."
 
2013-02-20 12:46:41 PM  
Poorly punctuated. Should read:

"They will attack, the only question is when."
 
2013-02-20 12:58:14 PM  
It's hard to come up with a non-tinfoil hat explanation better then the fact that the U.S. simply wants to foster peace and end DPRK nuclear and missile testing. North Korea is a paranoid place, and Little Kim has a tenuous hold on things. It's something that obviously and legitimately is going to require discretion.

Not to mention there is still technically a war going on. You don't come in the front door beating drums and blowing horns if you're trying ease tensions.

It's certainly better than the setback we suffered when they were branded an "Axis of Evil" by some knee-jerkwads.
 
2013-02-20 01:11:58 PM  

ChipNASA: [media.tumblr.com image 500x375]

???????????


Now look what you made me do:

i49.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-20 01:26:02 PM  

MutantMotherMouse: eyeq360: It's a shipment of Pringles packed in one-chip packages with "Once you pop, you don't stop. If you want more, overthow Kim Jong Un."  After the citizens get their taste of such goodness, they will demand for more Pringles and overthrow Kim Jong Un.

mmmmmm, salt & vinegar Pringles


Damn you!
(now I want Pringles)
 
2013-02-20 01:45:02 PM  

Xenomech: ChipNASA: [media.tumblr.com image 500x375]

???????????

Now look what you made me do:

[i49.tinypic.com image 500x375]


Nice work on changing the B into an S.  It took me a couple of views to notice that due to the blurring.

Pixels...shopped....

oh yeah the original two posts above helped as well.
 
2013-02-20 01:57:52 PM  

ideamaster: Obama was just sending the new dictator some gifts.  He needs to keep best korea cool before Obama makes his move.


We send him Cheetos tm and Moon Pies tm and they send us slaves for the FEMA work camps.
 
2013-02-20 02:42:12 PM  

Joe Blowme: Typical, helping those who hate us and telling our allies to fark off.... GO TEAM OBAMA!!


At least they're not missiles to Iran like Reagan did, right?
 
2013-02-20 02:50:12 PM  

Silverstaff: I know everybody wants to know everything, but sometimes things are secret for a perfectly good reason.

If there really is a CIA-sponsored program to spread propaganda on domestic forums like Fark, your comment certainly would sound like such a comment.

 
2013-02-20 03:21:07 PM  
Plates and ink for QE3 ?
 
2013-02-20 04:14:12 PM  

rabidarmadillo24: Are countries required to inform the world of their diplomatic overtures?


Countries tend to have an interest in what is going on with their neighbors. Especially when those neighbors have a habit of launching missiles over them.

Kind of how the US is interested in what gets shipped to Cuba.
 
2013-02-20 04:15:41 PM  

StopLurkListen: North Korea is dangerous, unstable and guaranteed to lash out if their existence is threatened. Their time is running out, they WILL attack. So the only question is when? And should we fight on our terms or theirs?


Definitely our terms.

/nailed it.
 
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