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(Uproxx)   Turns out that wearing a red shirt wasn't the most dangerous uniform color in Star Trek. Here comes the science (fiction)   (uproxx.com ) divider line
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2013-02-20 09:14:54 AM  
i.imgur.com i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-20 09:15:54 AM  
Anybody else find it funny that an article about counting TOS red/yellow/blueshirt deaths was published in Significance Magazine?
 
2013-02-20 09:19:24 AM  
Something something sample size something standard deviations something global warming.

/not mathy
 
2013-02-20 09:22:23 AM  
dl.dropbox.com

So you're saying its more dangerous to be the general than the footsoldier because, statistically speaking, generals have a higher chance of dying than the guys in the trenches since there are far more footsoldiers?

Something seems off here.
 
2013-02-20 09:36:01 AM  

way south: [dl.dropbox.com image 300x171]

So you're saying its more dangerous to be the general than the footsoldier because, statistically speaking, generals have a higher chance of dying than the guys in the trenches since there are far more footsoldiers?

Something seems off here.


I can't find the stats, but in the real-world military, isn't it usually the junior officers that have the worst survival rates?
 
2013-02-20 09:36:07 AM  
They were counting total onscreen deaths per shirt, and comparing it to fictional total crew for the USS Enterprise, but how many of the people who died were from a different ship or crew that happened to be in the episode at that time?

//NEEEEERRRRRDDDD!!!!
 
2013-02-20 09:51:47 AM  
DRTFA, but I calculate there's gold in that article.
 
2013-02-20 10:05:35 AM  

Skyrmion: way south: [dl.dropbox.com image 300x171]

So you're saying its more dangerous to be the general than the footsoldier because, statistically speaking, generals have a higher chance of dying than the guys in the trenches since there are far more footsoldiers?

Something seems off here.

I can't find the stats, but in the real-world military, isn't it usually the junior officers that have the worst survival rates?


Sounds about right.
But the logic assumes your chances are better among the many than among the few when the dangerous seem lop sided in a red shirts line of work.
Lots of off screen reds survived, but still...

/Its like saying you were safer being a soldier on a D-Day landing craft than being Patton.
/100% of all General Patton's were lost in WWII.
 
2013-02-20 10:06:44 AM  
Math biatches.

I can make any number look good or bad because Math.

So, what do you want the numbers to say today? I've got some math here in my shirt pocket I can use to fix it right up for you.
 
2013-02-20 10:08:21 AM  

Skyrmion: way south: [dl.dropbox.com image 300x171]

So you're saying its more dangerous to be the general than the footsoldier because, statistically speaking, generals have a higher chance of dying than the guys in the trenches since there are far more footsoldiers?

Something seems off here.

I can't find the stats, but in the real-world military, isn't it usually the junior officers that have the worst survival rates?


I know the life expectancy for a second lieutenant dropped into a hot LZ in Vietnam in 1968 was 16 minutes.
 
2013-02-20 10:22:13 AM  
Well, since the landing team always consists of the captain, first mate, doctor, and one redshirt, I'm not surprised to find a lot of casualties in the officer corps.
 
2013-02-20 10:23:59 AM  

way south: Skyrmion: way south: [dl.dropbox.com image 300x171]

So you're saying its more dangerous to be the general than the footsoldier because, statistically speaking, generals have a higher chance of dying than the guys in the trenches since there are far more footsoldiers?

Something seems off here.

I can't find the stats, but in the real-world military, isn't it usually the junior officers that have the worst survival rates?

Sounds about right.
But the logic assumes your chances are better among the many than among the few when the dangerous seem lop sided in a red shirts line of work.
Lots of off screen reds survived, but still...

/Its like saying you were safer being a soldier on a D-Day landing craft than being Patton.
/100% of all General Patton's were lost in WWII

 just after the war ended in December 1945.

/ftfy
//gets your point though
 
2013-02-20 10:25:07 AM  

way south: /Its like saying you were safer being a soldier on a D-Day landing craft than being Patton.
/100% of all General Patton's were lost in WWII.


General R L Eichelberger had a few of his drivers shot right next to him the the jungles of Burma.
Of course he wore his shinys in the field.
 
2013-02-20 10:26:56 AM  

farker99: Math Statistics biatches.

I can make any number look good or bad because Math Statistics.

So, what do you want the numbers to say today? I've got some Math Statistics here in my shirt pocket I can use to fix it right up for you.


Math doesn't lie. Statistics lie.

FYI, 55 deaths > 13 and > 9. So MORE redshirts did die. I don't think anyone tried to claim redshirts were statistically more likely to die, just that more redshirts die. Meaning, if you are a redshirt on an expedition  YOU are still more likely to die than either blue or yellow shirts.

Also, to be even remotely accurate, rather than looking at % of total crew, they need to take into account % makeup of away teams, since away teams are why people don't want to be in red shirts. When the ship is being attacked by enemy vessels, that is whole different story. You would then have to look at targeted parts of the ship, and makeup there.
 
2013-02-20 10:56:17 AM  
www.nothingsnormal.commimg.ugo.com
 
2013-02-20 11:12:27 AM  
The red shirt thing only applies to landing parties.

Anyone with sense already knew that.
 
2013-02-20 11:32:08 AM  

SpdrJay: The red shirt thing only applies to landing parties.

Anyone with sense already knew that.



THIS!
 
2013-02-20 11:40:53 AM  

Fano: Well, since the landing team always consists of the captain, first mate, doctor, and one redshirt, I'm not surprised to find a lot of casualties in the officer corps.


The original Star Trek computer game was exactly this.  Each mission had Kirk, Spock, Bones, and a redshirt.  If you got the redshirt killed you could still finish the mission but with a lower score--he always died first if you made a mistake.  If you then got somebody else killed you lost the mission.
 
2013-02-20 01:09:24 PM  
Somebody get John Scalzi on the phone!
 
2013-02-20 02:11:09 PM  

BigLuca: Skyrmion: way south: [dl.dropbox.com image 300x171]

So you're saying its more dangerous to be the general than the footsoldier because, statistically speaking, generals have a higher chance of dying than the guys in the trenches since there are far more footsoldiers?

Something seems off here.

I can't find the stats, but in the real-world military, isn't it usually the junior officers that have the worst survival rates?

I know the life expectancy for a second lieutenant dropped into a hot LZ in Vietnam in 1968 was 16 minutes.


My god. Was that movie ever even released in theatres? I only have it in my library because I like modern combat movies.

/Sixteen farking minutes. That's all I remember about Ca Lu.
 
2013-02-20 02:25:10 PM  
Counting on screen deaths versus fictional numbers is bad statistics. The only numbers that actually matter are on-screen deaths compared to the total number of shirts that ever made it to the screen.

If they weren't on screen, they don't count.
 
2013-02-20 02:35:05 PM  

Nexzus: BigLuca: Skyrmion: way south: [dl.dropbox.com image 300x171]

So you're saying its more dangerous to be the general than the footsoldier because, statistically speaking, generals have a higher chance of dying than the guys in the trenches since there are far more footsoldiers?

Something seems off here.

I can't find the stats, but in the real-world military, isn't it usually the junior officers that have the worst survival rates?

I know the life expectancy for a second lieutenant dropped into a hot LZ in Vietnam in 1968 was 16 minutes.

My god. Was that movie ever even released in theatres? I only have it in my library because I like modern combat movies.

/Sixteen farking minutes. That's all I remember about Ca Lu.


i saw it at an AMC 24 in Virginia when it came out so yes. Yes it did.
 
2013-02-20 02:55:00 PM  

1000 Ways to Dye: Counting on screen deaths versus fictional numbers is bad statistics. The only numbers that actually matter are on-screen deaths compared to the total number of shirts that ever made it to the screen.

If they weren't on screen, they don't count.


Using their numbers, red shirts account for over 2/3 of the total deaths.  So, yeah, redshirts are more likely to die.
 
2013-02-20 03:58:49 PM  

1000 Ways to Dye: Counting on screen deaths versus fictional numbers is bad statistics. The only numbers that actually matter are on-screen deaths compared to the total number of shirts that ever made it to the screen.

If they weren't on screen, they don't count.


this.

Need to total on screen hours. Possible with weighting for speaking roles.
 
2013-02-20 04:11:33 PM  

Skyrmion: way south: [dl.dropbox.com image 300x171]

So you're saying its more dangerous to be the general than the footsoldier because, statistically speaking, generals have a higher chance of dying than the guys in the trenches since there are far more footsoldiers?

Something seems off here.

I can't find the stats, but in the real-world military, isn't it usually the junior officers that have the worst survival rates?


Would you like to be the guy that kicks the door? Or the guy told by a guy to tell another guy to go kick a door? I rest my case.
 
2013-02-20 06:26:41 PM  
I just read Redshirts by John Scalzi this week.   Was a fun story.    All the junior officers figure out it is dangerous to go on missions with the Captain, First Officer, Doctor.  They start hiding so only the newest people end up on away missions.  Purposely not set in the Star Trek universe.
 
2013-02-20 07:59:05 PM  

farker99: Math biatches.

I can make any number look good or bad because Math.

So, what do you want the numbers to say today? I've got some math here in my shirt pocket I can use to fix it right up for you.


Today I had a meeting downtown. I am an expert witness because I say I am. I said Gentlemen, i will testify for you. I can be your gun for hire. I'm a saint, I'm a liar. I can get you any result you like. What's it worth to you? Because there is no wrong and there is no right and I sleep very well at night. No shame, no solution, no remorse, no retribution. Just people selling T-shirts. Just opportunity to participate in the pathetic little circus. And winning, winning, winning.

/not sure what dark corner of my brain that song crawled from but you summoned it. It's like Cartman and Come Sail Away, once it starts I gotta finish it
 
2013-02-20 08:52:37 PM  
Not happy with the math:

www.148apps.com
 
2013-02-20 09:20:05 PM  

BolloxReader: farker99: Math biatches.

I can make any number look good or bad because Math.

So, what do you want the numbers to say today? I've got some math here in my shirt pocket I can use to fix it right up for you.

Today I had a meeting downtown. I am an expert witness because I say I am. I said Gentlemen, i will testify for you. I can be your gun for hire. I'm a saint, I'm a liar. I can get you any result you like. What's it worth to you? Because there is no wrong and there is no right and I sleep very well at night. No shame, no solution, no remorse, no retribution. Just people selling T-shirts. Just opportunity to participate in the pathetic little circus. And winning, winning, winning.

/not sure what dark corner of my brain that song crawled from but you summoned it. It's like Cartman and Come Sail Away, once it starts I gotta finish it



dl.dropbox.com
In the Garden of Allah.

/Best played loud.
 
2013-02-21 03:38:02 AM  

BigLuca: Skyrmion: way south: [dl.dropbox.com image 300x171]

So you're saying its more dangerous to be the general than the footsoldier because, statistically speaking, generals have a higher chance of dying than the guys in the trenches since there are far more footsoldiers?

Something seems off here.

I can't find the stats, but in the real-world military, isn't it usually the junior officers that have the worst survival rates?

I know the life expectancy for a second lieutenant dropped into a hot LZ in Vietnam in 1968 was 16 minutes.




I think this is the top dog.
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